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Khalsa Aid have a program to help those shaheed parivaars

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaAid?feature=watch

U guys dont get wat im saying it possibly could b some stupid indian raw agents but some of the youth wen they hear stuff like wat i posted above they get riled up nd start acting with their heart not head. Im from surrey btw...

The philosophy of Sikhi is Sarbath da Bhalla. Sikhs never attack innocent people.

Sikhs protect innocent Muslims, Hindu's and Christians and others as proven time after time.

Sikhs have never attacked or destroyed any Hindu or Muslim or Christian place or worship or those belonging to others.

Poodna Ji Sikhs don't use the term "Shaitan" (Satan) like u have done. Your thoughts on this subject match with Islam exactly.

Let's be straight here (no pun intended) ... Who is worse two homosexuals who hurt nobody OR slaveowners + pedophiles?

Simple question + if you answer the latter, why not focus on threat from the Abrahamic ideology of those who owned slaves.

It's totally unfair and racist that the family are being labelled as Muslims when they bow before Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj should not be restricted in a racist way to those who have Sikh parents only.

Sikhi is for Sarbath da Bhalla so why do some racists not accept this wonderful family as fellow Sikhs?

The Quran says that the life of a Muslim is worth more than a non-Muslim > so they have clearly rejected Islam.

Devout Muslims bow towards Mecca. This great family by bowing to Guru Granth Sahib are clearly devout Sikhs.

Can u explain where i said anything bad about this great family Veerji? (not happy at my earlier posts being deleted)

why not let Sangat decide if i was wrong by accepting them as Sikh because of their actions + going to Gurdwara's

... or if the reporter that claimed they could not be Sikh (because their parents had Arabic names) was wrong?

http://www.jakara.org/programs

Jakara are doing a good job at fighting the perception by non-Sikhs that most Cali Sikh youth are supposedly doing this or that negative as they have good programs

More signatures still needed

What happened to pannu is bad but I also understand the other side and I will stand with other side only if pannu spoke ill against dasam pathshah.

Apparently he didn't say anything bad about Dasmay Pathshah but just made an off-cuff remark that as Guru Gobind Singh Ji never went there as our Guru ... then why were Sikhs travelling hundreds of miles and spending so much money that could be better spent in Punjab ... only to expose themselves to getting fleeced by the local dacoits and let local Hindutva government officials that profit out of innocent Sikhs?

What is worse being genetically born a homosexual or consciously being a heterosexual slaveowner + pedophile?

Why not live and let live so long as gays don't own or trade in the lives of human beings or have sex with young children.

99crore on increasing literacy in Punjab and 1crore on a factual documentary (without Sant Ji lookalikes doing weak acting) would be better i think

Could the attack on the mandir be a type of revenge???

No, because Sikhi is not down with revenge against innocents

Then all's well that ends well.

See above

I mean, Shaheed Bhai Hari Singh Nalwa and the other generals burnt down Pathan villages to make them realize you can't harbor insurgents.

These were lies spread by Pathan supporters of Barelvi type Muslims against Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa after Sikhs defeated them on the battlefield fair and square. Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa never hurt even a single innocent or defenceless Muslim but ruthlessly annihilated those that pushed Islam as a force for discrimination, slavery, rape etc

And there were nuff bombings in Punjab back in the day no? (not sure about this one)

Yes there were loads of bombings done by the Black Cats led by the Malerkotla Muslim Azhar Alam on behalf of Indira Gandhi GOI

Which religious view do you respect?

Sikhi only

I mean, hinduism today is really Indian Gov. worship

We're not Hindu though so we should see this as the GOI attack against Sikhs that it is

did Guru Sahib respect the muslim 'view' that all kafirs must be forcefully converted?

No Guru Sahib rejected that and condemned other aspects of Islam like slavery, rape, pedophilia, discrimination and circumcision

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Would you put it past esp. recent immigrants from our community to not take revenge for that?

If they attack innocents for no reason, they no longer qualify as Sikhs. How many Sikhs have a shave at the barbers and read the Indian Youth Congress magazine before doing a joke attack on behalf of GOI which they know will be covered twice over by insurance?

How is there a man trying to tear shabad guru 'ang by ang' where's the condemnation from the hindu community?

That's an issue for Hindu's which has no relation to the Sikh Panth following higher standards

How long do you stand by this sant mentality when all around you is a call to arms.

True, if people are directly killing us we have to defend ourselves. But these GOI agents who were not Sikh smashing the windows is an anti-Sikh attack to defame us (just like ai182 done by GOI in which Sikhs were the biggest victims + some idiots were paid big money by GOI to claim responsibility for an attack that they didn't even play a part in)

The sikh empire wasn't formed by treehugging and condemning retaliatory strikes.

There was no Sikh "empire" like how Christians+Muslims rape, looted, enslaved and murdered their way to Empires.

It was Khalsa Raj which was for Sarbath Da Bhalla

If it's a hindu attacking a gurudawara and there's one big local mandir where do you think this stuff was planned, or where is the support for it.

Still wouldn't make it right. Same false excuses were used as a pretext for 1984.

Sikhs never attack Masjids or Mandirs - we defend them from attack.

At that point is destroying the windows of that mandir pointing out that we don't take attacks, or 'waa waa place of worship'.

No it remains what it is - an attack by GOI on a Mandir in order to defame Sikhs (just like ai182 was done by GOI in order to defame Sikhs as terrorists when Guru Sahib condemns terrorism or attacks against innocents)

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If this was Punjab that mandir would have got bombed.

Sikhs have never attacked any Mandirs or Masjids.

But Ranghars and Gandhi's attack our Darbar Sahib with blessing from there Quran and Smriti's

Absolutely!

If two individuals who love eachother and care for eachother consensually have safe sex with eachother, then how can law stop them?

HAHAHA predictable support of pedophilia by you Pakistani bhaijaan!

So presumably you don't even have a problem with 54 year old men having sex with 9 year old little girls?

This is why grooming is dominated by people of a certain religion from a certain country you are very proud of!

HAHAHA very funny!!!!!!!

Btw, if you haven't noticed, status quo in the West suits us... serves the interest of global Islam Inshallah..

So why do you think we need to make extra effort to change something, when everything is going OUR way as we speak ..Mashallah

How wonderful that Muhammad's divine plan for Arabic rule over the planet are coming to fruition in your dreams!!

LOL

So when your plan has been executed...and everything is settled...how will things look? Will Islam vanish from earth?

Islam doesn't need to vanish from Earth. Every ideology should have the space to exist so long as they do not have a negative impact on the life of innocent people who do not believe in the same ideology like Islam or who wish to leave Islam as apostates.

How will Muslims be different then as compared to today?

In the future it's more than possible that a smaller Muslim population will be more tolerant of others, will freely allow Muslims to leave Islam, will allow Muslim girls to wed the non-Muslims they fall in love with without fear of death and will realise that Muhammad certainly could not be considered a role model morally and hopefully they will not consider the non-Muslim world as being Dar-al-Harb to be conquered. But Muslims themselves will be free to continue to believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and Prophet Muhammad flying on al-Buraq the wonder-horse from Mecca to Jerusalem like a helicopter.

Also, if your plan local for U.K or you want to put global Islam to its place?

Most Muslims live outside the UK. Ex-Muslims will be the ones who will put political Islam in its place and they are growing in strength daily. We don't hate u personally. We dislike the ideology. You as someone brainwashed into Islam from an early age are not our enemy. We sympathise that your innocent Hindu ancestors from the Arain caste were enslaved to Islam - that's not your fault.

Seriously my Sikh brothers, if THIS is the best the Muslim world has to offer in terms of debate. I don't know why we thought we ever had anything to worry about...

That's the thing bro. There is no ideological comparison between Islam and Sikhi. Islam is for the benefit of Arabs from Mecca and Saudi Arabia. Sikhi is for the benefit of ALL mankind. PakistaniPunjabi can't even retort that Sikhi is for the benefit of Punjabi's as the majority of Punjabi's are actually Muslims!! There is no comparison between where Prophet Muhammad stood morally and where Guru Nanak Dev Ji stood morally. Muhammad owned slaves and the Quran emphasises that a slave is not equal to his master whilst Guru Sahib created the Khalsa Panth as the embodiment of what the equality of all mankind truly means. In terms of truth we all know with which ideology that exists. This debate is purely political now. The Arabs wish to dominate the world. We as a minority who want freedom for all mankind oppose them and need to unite amongst ourselves to fight for the benefit of all humanity. The less Muslims (via peaceful education) who oppose us in that mission the better. The more non-Sikhs who join with the Sikh Panth's battle to ensure a world of peace and tranquility for all humankind the better.

Insha'Allah brother PakistaniPunjabi might join us in that mission one day (as this debate is not personal).

I cut out parts that are against forum rules. Show some restraint you just got off QC.

Ok Mod Veerji will try to do that. I trust your judgement. Please be wary that he is trying to censor valid criticism of Islam by saying MODS are unfair to him.

And please don't let him cry discrimination when we Sikhs do not hate Muslims but only disagree with the ideology that condones terrorism, slavery etc.

An article posted/discussed in an American military forum filled with retired American military service personel..

1st paragraph ... of course a man-made cult which brainwashes innocent Muslims that it is from God is ideologically strong at keeping believers mentally trapped within it. Hence the need for Prophet Muhammad to order death as the punishment for those leaving Islam.

2nd paragraph ... it's true that the apartheid of the Ummah concept results in ghetto Islamic industries in which outsiders are excluded such as halal meat etc

3rd paragraph ... it's true Muhammad offered his opinion and shared his lifestyle with Arabs on everything from sex with children, sex with slavegirls, selling human beings for profit, which direction to defecate in and with which hand to wipe one's rear etc

4th paragraph ... Muslim women are only kept away from kaffirs through the fear of honor killings. Even that doesn't hold back a brave and ever growing percentage of innocent women born to Muslim parents who have the courage to leave Islam and marry outside of the Muslim community. Most Muslim women in the Diaspora actually know that non-Muslim males will offer them a better life with greater equality and free them from the Quran's blatant anti-female sexism ... so once Islam's stranglehold of fear upon innocent women born to Muslim parents and forced to stay in the cult weakens, then the floodgates will open for Muslim women to openly leave the man-made religion of Islam.

5th paragraph ... true that the desire for world domination by Muslims will result in higher birth rates and higher population growth in the short term ... but longer term Muslims will always be a global minority and as Islam implodes from within with growing realisation about the kind of man Prophet Muhammad was, long term it's skycraper of falsehood against Allah (swt) will collapse.

6th paragraph ... nobody has anything against innocent Muslims ... but aggressive Muslims who truly believe in the ideology of Muhammad need to be tackled and the method employed by the West to do that is by emphasising that terrorists are a small minority within the global Muslim population and ignoring the significant percentage of hundreds of millions of Muslim males from all over the Muslim world including Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq etc who strongly sympathise with the terrorists whilst outwardly claiming Islam to be a religion of peace (for the purpose of "al-taqiyya" = false propaganda)

7th paragraph ... Yes it's lucky that only a small minority of Muslims truly believe in Islam fully and yes if even 1% of Muslims started mobilising towards terrorism in the way that Prophet Muhammad demonstrated that would prevent a formidable challenge to the World's peaceful existence, which could lead to nuclear bombs being dropped on Mecca and Medina etc.

8th paragraph ... The solution is not propping up Islamist regimes with financial aid but educating Muslims about what the Quran itself says and educating Muslims about how Muhammad is the author of the Quran and exposing the evil lifestyle which he practised in which slavery, pedophilia, rape, murder, discrimination all flourished via his direction.

Conclusion: Liberating good Muslims from Muhammad's cult is the solution that will lead to a more peaceful world.

some inferiority-complex stricken sikhs are posting videos ... has NOTHING to do with Islam..

The life of the Holy Prophet Muhammad has everything to do with Islam. Hence Islam has the Hadiths and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet Muhammad.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065046/Pakistani-community-must-tackle-grooming-gangs-justice-minister-insists.html

Pakistani community must tackle grooming gangs, justice minister insists The Pakistani community in Britain must urgently address the problem of gangs systematically grooming and abusing young white girls, justice minister Damian Green has said.

Damian Green, MP Minister of State for Police and Criminal Justice, in his office at the Home Office Photo: ANDREW CROWLEY

Again, all the crying babies moaning their own inferiority have not quoted the OP and dissected it. lol..Again, "what" exactly is so horrendous about OP that has extracted such reaction out of poor champs here?

What exactly is there to dissect about standard Pakistani propaganda?

To all non-Muslims reading articles like these it's transparent + easy to see through as just the wishful thinking of Muslims.

The simple fact is that in counter-response to all Muslim propaganda ...

no Muslims can ever justify the Prophet ...

• Muhammad's slave trading in the lives of innocent human beings for profit
• Muhammad's widescale slave ownership where a supposed "man of God" and supposed "eternal role model for mankind" owned human beings himself and profited from those innocent human beings misery
• Muhammad's sale of innocent women and children into slavery purely for the sake of enriching his own wealth
• Muhammad's brutal murder of opponents particularly those who called him out on his blatant falsehoods
• Muhammad's age at which, when he was in his fifties, he consummated his marriage with 9year old child Aisha
• Muhammad's authoring of one-off rules for himself in the Quran + making different rules for ordinary Muslims
• Muhammad (as the perfect and eternal role model for mankind) telling Muslims they can freely have sex with their slavegirls (even if the slaves are married and even if the Muslims already have four wives)
• Muhammad's ordering death as the punishment for free-thinking people daring to leave his man-made religion
• Muhammad making the pilgrimage to Mecca obligatry for all Muslims in order to enrich his own wealth
• Muhammad's authoring in the Quran that 20% of all profits gained by theft + murder of non-Muslims should go to him personally (+ having the cheek to claim that Allah said it as a guidance to Arabs in Mecca of that time)
• Muhammad claiming that he flew on a horse called al-Buraq from Mecca to Jerusalem as if it was a helicopter

You know you can't justify the evil of Prophet Muhammad's life or his man-made religion of his Islam + his false claim that he did not author the Quran ... so why fight your natural desire to leave Islam that you try to conquer by posting in support of Islam to convince yourself?

It's the growing influence of Islam in action

Could the attack on the mandir be a type of revenge???

Sikhs don't do revenge on innocents.

We are meant to try to learn from the example of protecting the right of innocents to there religious beliefs as set by Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji.

"Also the alleged attack on the Hindu temple shows clean shaven people with hats on CCTV, so can't be 'Sikh Fanatics' that some like to call Sikhs in our community."

Totally bro. U'd think if overseas GOI agents were going to attack a mandir why would they get a shave at the barber's and read the Indian Youth Congress magazine before doing such a fake attack.

Who knows at worse this could be done by General Brar's grandsons on behalf of GOI congress(i) operatives in order to diss the Sikh Panth

Oh...my....goodness!

The level of inferiority-complex, insecurity, and hidden contempt and helplessness of Sikhs regarding Islam here is just out of bounds!

Dream on brother LOL! We Sikhs know who we are. We don't fear no human beings like Prophet Muhammad. We only fear one God.

1 on 1 check how Sikhs operate and then you'll see how much of an inferiority complex we have.

No...I mean NO ONE...got the point of whole post....

That figures as everybody on this thread except yourself are kaffirs and only you as a "belieber" understand it

I can't even understand 'what' got such a reaction out of poor inferiority-complex stricken insecure sikhs here?

HAHAHA. 1 on 1 everyone fears Sikhs and yet you call us insecure! LOL

Probably the words like "strongest" and Islam together? :lol2:

The Arabic Imperial Religion of Islam has no strength. It is built on foundations of sand. The minute those mythical angels and jinn blow it will topple like a house of cards. Seriously bro, you know you don't even believe in it yourself deep down! You're trying bravely to justify the fantasies of a man who was a slave owner and slave trader, who sold innocent women and innocent young children into slavery and laughed when innocent kaffir slaves were beaten. What's worse this man claimed that it was Allah (swt) who gave permission to Muslims to have sex with the slavergirls the Muslims brutalised regardless of if they are married or not. Come on bro, Prophet Muhammad's invention aka Islam hardly has credibility or strength. A man in his fifties having sex with a 9year child is hardly a description of strength!

Author never said anything like "Muslims are the strongest" or "Islam will dominate the world" ...it only stated that Islam, according to him, is the 'strongest ideological force' .... Stalinism was an ideological force...so is following of political parties...its also a form of 'ideological force' ...

Brutal domination via rape, slavery, discrimination, pedophilia, terrorism and conversion by the sword can only constitute a strong ideological force so long as the lie that Allah authored the Quran is believed by poor Musims. The minute Muslims wake up and realise that Muhammad wrote the Quran himself this so-called strongest ideological force will disintegrate in a short space of time.

What I wanted to ask was how people felt the way the author described Islam..by using rather negative connotations..and loaded words....such as "Islam ingrains itself in the mind of the follower" ..or that "it controls everything of a man" or many other such things...These things are not positive to be said to any religion...I wanted to see if people here have a similar perception of Islam?

Of course Islam has been brainwashed into young innocent Muslims who would otherwise despise pedophiles and slaveowners instead.

But Lo behold, the deeeeeepppppp sense of inferiority took over and people just lashed out not on the article..but on their own personal insecurities that they somehow saw in the article.

LOL there's no sense of inferiority. Guru Sahib made the weakest of the weak realise that they are not lesser than ANYBODY if they strive to pray to one God and fight for the welfare of ALL HUMANITY (including innocent Hindu's + Muslims + Christians + Jews + Buddhists + Jains + Atheists etc)

What is "islamic propaganda" in this article? Where does it say "Islam will take over the world"? Where does it say "Infidels must be killed and Muslims are best"?

C'mon dude! Are u saying u don't realise it's written by a Punjabi Muslim whose daddy is from the Qureshi caste and works in the housing department of Pakistani Army in Islamabad??

The amount of insecurity running through Sikhs here is just Amazingggg!!!!

How can Sikhs, who look to Guru Sahib for inspiration, have an inferiority complex when you look to Prophet Muhammad for inspiration? Please educate us why Prophet Muhammad is a better role model for humanity?

I seriously wonder how bad Paks Muslims are in UK that have made Sikhs act this way?

Pakistani Muslims don't control Islam. You guys are what the Arabs from Mecca think of as the poor Hindu converts they enslaved. Our problem is with these liars from Mecca who control Islam as a way of expanding their Arabic cultural empire. You are not our enemy for being Pakistani. We pity you that as a descendent of Hindu's brutally converted to Islam (as the Arain caste that you belong to is well known in Jalandhar for having been brutally targetted by the Mughals) that you are sadly brainwashed into pushing the same false agenda for the oil sheikhs.

Sikh Raj under Ranjit Singh with support from Hari Singh Nalwa and important role played by sri akal takht was simply the best ruler eastern Asia ever had. I would give 9 out of ten score/rating.

There are some of our own people who had some sort of inferiority complex and they would never give credit to our ancestors.

I totally agree with u Veerji. And this sandhu dude has admitted he is not even Sikh so we can't even say he has an inferiority complex. I think he only used the sandhu handle because the GOI agent behind Justice Khalra Ji's murder was called sandhu. Sikhs in general have nothing to feel inferior about. We just have to guard ourselves against feeling superior as that would be against Gurmat.

Islam is like a skyscaper built on foundations of sand. It looks big and mighty to Muslims dreaming of world domination now.

But when Allah (swt) decides he has had enough of Islam associating its Arabic Empire with Allah's great name it will topple in a flash.

Islam's success was built off the back of murder, rape, slavery, pedophilia, discrimination and conversion by the sword. That worked really well up till now but now the more good+innocent Muslims get educated on what is written in the Quran (supposedly by God but actually by Prophet Muhammad) the more educated decent Muslims themselves will reject Islam as a man-made religion invented by an Arab man in Mecca 14 centuries ago and suitable for that time and place only but with no relavance to the modern world. The day that Muslims become a minority in Muslim countries will definitely happen just like it did in Europe and when that day comes the world will be a whole lot more peaceful place.