SikhKosh
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Sikhs Of West And Punjabi Language - Why Nobody Talk About It?
SikhKosh replied to S1ngh's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
You're right. But from what I see on social media and my surroundings, women are generally more receptive to the Sikhi saroop than lets say 15 years ago. No matter how much you criticize them, its mostly Punjabi songs (and movies partially) that popularized turbaned Sardars even among non Sikh women. And it is not only the trim Singhs because even people with saroop like Bir Singh have become popular. -
Our dumb folk were demolishing some tombs and putting videos online, some sullay were upset about that. Same way with some Sikhs disrespecting Jesus on youtube or stages. These kind of things need to be done properly and covertly. Thats why I suggested letting RSS taking care of Muslims and Christians in East Punjab. We remain 'mute spectators' while retaining our saviour image (without doing anything, we've done more than enough for others), and at the same time gaining ground in Haryana, western UP and lacs of Hindus&Christians in Pak. You'd be surprised to see how many, even non Sahajdhari, Pak Hindus are showing interest in Sikhi without a proper initiative. Imagine using the acces we've got to Pak in a proper way to reach to these millions of Sindhi Hindus and mostly dalit Pak Punjabi Christians.
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Muslims in East Punjab need to be tamed as I have been saying for years. The migrants need to be kicked out of Punjab. A ban on Wahhabi influenced mosques, preachers and sharia panchayats. I wish Malerkotla district status could be undone as well, massive mistake. The new found love with Pakis with the silly naive Sikhs touring you see on youtube is cringy. That is bad and will only lead to problems as you correctly mentioned in your last para. But whether you like it or not, the closeness is already there. What about using the opportunities for furthering panthic causes ? Recovering all other historical Gurdwareh and parchar in Sindh and Punjab to convert Hindus and Christians?
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Any sources to back this up? Jangal Desh seems to be a mostly Bagri speaking area.
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Very unwise of him, because for some reason he enjoyed quite some support among Sikhs till a few years back. I think some of it has to do on several stands he took including on the SYL during his earlier tenures. This tenure indeed took away all or any respect Sikhs had for him due to him trying to project himself as some messiah who is needed by the Govt to control 'separatists' in Punjab.
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Paks are very shrewd but not more shrewd than Brahmins. They are better criminals (fraud and so on) though while Brahmins are cunning strategic planners. There is a saying that Hindus prepare themselves before a storm comes, the Muslim saves himself during the storm and the Sikh has no clue even after the storm has passed!
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Only weak fudhu on here is you, afraid of Jatt Gabrus on your sites but talking big on online forums. So medieval Sikhs accepting nawabi from Mughals who raped and massacred them 'send out the message that we aren't strong enough to stand on our own and need them as our saviours' in your words? lol
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I'd have to ask all the women that left you over the years because... khardi ni si lolll!
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Captain continues Patiala state legacy of betraying Sikhs. H@rami keeps asking for presidents rule in Punjab every few weeks.
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How doesn't it you phud? Your Ramgarhia ancestor was soldiering for Adina Beg. You're so afraid of sullay that you're even afraid of using them as I suggest. Seems you were bullied by them into submission and are afraid to even go near to them, or perhaps not psychologically strong enough to manipulate as you're afraid of being played yourself. That explains your marital status.
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How are you so sure? lol
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Majority of Sikhs on this site seem to be against 'using' Pak to further our own interests, citing issues such as grooming and kidnappings in Pak. What would they say of medieval Sikhs who accepted Nawabi from Moghuls and the likes of Jassa Singh Ramgarhia being soldiers of of Adina Beg in the mid eigteenth century? The Mughals surely did worse things than Pak Govt/populace, and yet there seems to have been an consensus at that given time in history that alliances or strategic moves could be made with enemies (not justifying the Ramgarhia soldiering for Adina Beg though), so why would it be such an issue in this day and age ? PS. Go through all threads I have created throughout the years before assuming I am pro Muslims or Pak.
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I bet you wouldn't chat even 1% of the BS in front of the gabru Jatt workers on your site. You wait all day long to vent your frustration and insecurity against Jatts on online forums, hiding behind a screen like a gasti.
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Would a scared old gandu dalla like you use the same terminology for Nawab Kapoor Singh and medieval Singhs who accepted Nawabi from same Moghuls that tortured gurus and massacred Sikhs? Jassa Singh Ramgarhia, from your beloved caste, was a soldier for whom again?
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The only scared pu55y is you. You'd hagna (schit) your pants if you were in front of a Jatt, thats why you take out your frustration out on online forums.
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Many factors are at play with the farmers repeal. Chinese at the borders is only one of the factors. Other factors include the ongoing Khalistan referendum, north Indian Hindu farmers embracing Sikhi and so on. I never denied our mighty presence in the armed forces. I am just rebutting your theory regarding a mass mutiny of Sikhs had Pak invaded. You think the 5% would become 50% or more had Pak invaded ? The small number of soldiers mutineering already shows the zameer of the ones who were in army. I don't think Pak attacking would have shaken their faith because if Darbar Sahib attack and desecration can not move you, not other thing will. Might've been 10/20% but not more even had Pak attacked.
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Kharku movement was crushed by the likes of KP Gill and Beant Sinh, not Pak 'betrayel'. Benazirs betrayel led to many killings but nowhere near the atrocities Punjabi police, mostly Sikh, committed. I quoted figures from 1985 newspaper regarding the number of Sikh soldiers who mutinied. Less than 5%. So Sikh soldiers would mutiny more only if Pak invaded, desecration of their Darbar Sahib was not enough for them to mutiny?
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https://apnews.com/article/70beac35e6f6a0aaac28edd33663d04d Army Begins Court Martial Of Sikhs Who Mutinied After Temple Siege February 24, 1985 ... An estimated 2,500 to 5,000 Sikh soldiers mutinied in nine states, including Punjab, and tried to reach the temple. ... The Indian Army of 1.2 million - fourth largest in the world - includes about 100,000 Sikhs. ... So hardly 5% of all Sikh soldiers mutinied. What would have been the percentage had Pak attacked? Maybe a little more but I doubt your idealistic theory would've become reality.
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Did the Jaats who massacre Sikhs and kidnap their women 3 decades back have any agenda ? Now that they are sidelined by Khatris in politics they are feeling used and abused by the centre and Arya Samajis and are thus turning towards the very Punjabi Sikhs they opposed at every instance during the last 6 decades. See how easy it is to generalise ^
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You're naive to assume all Sikhs would've jumped sides had Pak attacked India. Who crushed the Kharku movement ? It was not the Brahmins or Muslims but Sikhs themselves. How many Sikh soldiers mutinied in 1984 ? I know many did, but did all do like you claim in your idealistic percentage figures in case of a Pak invasion? Did even a majority of Sikh soldiers mutiny ? Please provide figures.
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If you base your opinions on comments then go read comment of Pakis on youtube videos of Sikh pilgrims to Pak as well.
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If 1971 was a two front war, 1984 was no better because the entire region had turned turbulent post 1979. The Khomeini situation in Iran, Soviet Afghan war and so on, Paks were also on several fronts at that time. In fact, air force of Pak was dominated by Bangladeshis that is why they were able to give a stiff resistance to India in 1965 - to the extent that the war is declared a stalemate by many historians. Paks had lost a lot of advantages both as an army and psychologically post their distintegration in 1971. Can you imagine your army surrending without a fight and your nation being broked into two ? Paki POWs was largest number of POWs post 2nd world war. Pak psyche is scarred to this day by 71, so 84 would've been to early for them to attempt another misadventure.
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He is a Haryanvi supported by Jaats - don't tell me the people who cheered on him were not Jaats or the ones who fought with Sikhs in Australia were all non-Jaat Haryanvis. Like this Jaat hating on other Jaats for embracing Sikhi or the thousands of Jaats who massacred Sikhs and raped their women in Delhi 1984.
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If you see Guru Hargobind Sahibs chola, they seem to have been around 6feet 7 inches tall with a chest of over 50 inches (some say 57).
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Brar - Jatt? Dally the Dalla would not like hearing of such Sikhs because of their background.