Mahakaal96

Stupid bander

54 minutes ago, mahandulai said:

listen here cowboy, this aint your town, the drugs your grandparents take contain cannabis and ethanol, so before you get smart, know your facts

Maybe you should have a look on this site & see what I have posted in the past regarding the use of cannabis & medicine containing alcohol....

Your original post did not sound like it was referring to medicinal levels of alcohol.

On 8/19/2018 at 5:22 PM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Sometimes she does act rude or unmannerly . And then says sorry sorry as if I am not auditing her each and every action and talk insofar it concerns me and my family.

Her aunt cheated her at the last moment , considering my fiance is very poor and her dad prolly cant even throw a proper wedding . So she was expecting her uncle to help her . However the uncle ditched them . So uncle's done ! Her bros are already crrap and dirty guys . 

She doesn't talk to some of her sisters , but the some she does talk to are very close to her and sometimes I have a suspicion that they wind her up against my mom or me. You know girls saying things like "mother-in-laws are almost always evil" .

I don't want my to-be-wife be indoctrinated with such crrap mentality and I am wondering of ways to put seeds of mistrust and feuds between her sisters and her . However a benign part in me warns of not doing so lest I conduct an immoral act. However If I were to , you guys can suggest me some ideas lol 

You ain’t a man 

2 hours ago, mahandulai said:

my youtube channel is mahan dulai, search for i have been sikh all my life. Therefore once proving you wrong, and if you are wrong once, you can be wrong a million times so save it. I am sikh and these are my views.

You still have not answered the question. 

Also maharaj does give all answers, this may come from meditiation or by ideas from other people, so there you go.

Listen MahanSula.... if those are your views then goodluck to you.... knock yourself out & enjoy all the sex & alcohol you want if they bring you happiness. 

Your right.... mahraj does give all answers so why don’t you take your questions direct to mahraj?! 

This forum is used by young people.... I know exactly what your angle is... but won’t work here..... 

6 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

for Ajeet

Raja Janak was a great king and did many act of punn daan and was a bhagat that is why Mahalakshmi was born into his home . So the theory it takes bravery to stay in Grisht ashram is totally true and a coward runs away as he cannot maintain control over his emotions/chor

It was Laxmi who took avtar as Raja Janaks daughter Sita.... not mahalaxmi.

Theres a big difference between Laxmi & Mahalaxmi.

Whenever I come on this site there’s always same lot commenting on every topic regardless of whether they have enough knowledge on the subject of the topic or not.... it’s pathetic that some people either think they are possessed with so much gyan that they can answer on any topic or that they have nothing better to do then spend most their time on a website that has become an accumulation of the dumb & retarted.

If anyone is under the illusion that the panth is headed in the right way they should come on this site & read the utter bakwas on here.

16 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

indra raped the brahmin's wife ...not just abducted her. No sikh should use any form of his name .  why not go stright to source instead of honorifics of minor 'Gods'.

how about names like Ajai , Akalroop , Akaljyot, Atol, Aganath, Alekh, Abhekh?

Maybe you should go and read Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s account of what happened between Indra & the Brahmins wife before giving the maha-gyani speeches on here..... your version of events is based on granths written by Brahmins & the rubbish they show on modern adaptations on TV!

As you pointed out to a member above that Sanskrit is not our heritage.... Brahmins & their granths are not our heritage... the Bani of Guru sahib is.

Read what Mahraj says about Indra & the Brahmins wife.... see who tricked/enticed who.... sure you and your feminist lot will enjoy reading it 

6 hours ago, puzzled said:

then why does Guru Granth Sahib ji tell us not to eat meat? 

O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish. 
The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause)) 
Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. 
So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell

 

In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.

 

 

Where in GGSJ does it say wear 5 kakkars?!

the khalsa’s maryada does not come from GGSJ

6 hours ago, puzzled said:

Meat is nasty anyway, your basically eating something which pissed, shitted, had sex, carried lice, had illnesses and was a living walking thing 

Your mother who gave birth to you also has the above inclinations.... but as a child you consumed her milk... and was born from within her body 

This site needs to be renamed ‘Spastic Sangat’

Stop wasting your time on here talking utter bakvas.... go read Bani & do some simran & build your avasthas 

On 6/10/2018 at 5:25 PM, Guest Kaam said:

Why are guys more kaami than women i don't get it

 

Not true.

Your question is a reflection of the type of men you keep sangat with, look up to & learn from.

Read Charitropakhyan & you will realise the lengths women had to go to in order to seduce a real man.

6 hours ago, Kira said:

Bedis, Trahan and Bhalla all relate to Lava and Sodhis to Kush right? The sons of Lord Ram Chandar.

No,

Bedi lineage links back to Kush (Son of Ram Chander)

Trehan lineage links back to Lakshman (brother of Ram Chander) 

Bhalla lineage to Bharat (brother of Ram Chander)

Sodhi lineage links back to Luv (Son of Ram Chander) 

This site should be renamed as Spastic Sangat

1 hour ago, MokhamSingh said:

Khalsa Ji,

To avoid any unpleasant issues, one should read and adhere to the rules laid out by Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji. The chapter is called “Vakta Sarotal’, from SriGurpratap Suraj Granth.

Satguru Ji clearly explains the maryada for doing katha, and conversely, the maryada for those sitting in Sangat. It seems that some preachers/ kathawachiks are not reading or adhering to Gurmat.

If we all adhere to Gurmat, then this would eradicate all anti social activities, and bad behaviour...

Waheguru...

If I remember correctly are you referring to the 14 attributes the kathavachik should possess & the 14 attributes the listener should possess? 

Goodluck in this time & age.... a handful of old kathavachiks do possess the attributes but majority of sangat these days are a bunch of stupid dhangers with no intelligence... just have a look at the state of this site. Even those people who cant even recite penti, have no kamai & never learnt from a Sant or mahapurekh think they know it all.

On 13/03/2018 at 12:10 AM, BhForce said:

You're saying the Sarbloh teeka commonly available was published after his passing? But what explains the forward he wrote to that? It's written in a way that could only be oriented towards a mass audience, not a select group of Nihangs who already believe in the text.

In the forward, he uses various means of argument, including internal evidence to prove that the Sarbloh Granth is Guru Gobind Singh ji's work. He uses words like "shankavadi". There would be no reason for writing such an essay for an audience of Nihangs.

Yeah, about secret knowledge, another point which was highlighted on, I believe this forum a while ago, was the possibility of Muslims imitating Sikhs, especially in regards to kirpan-wearing on airplanes. Now, how could they imitate a Sikh? Well, the first step would be to tie a turban. And where would they learn that? Certainly not from any self-respecting Sikh.

Oh, wait, we have ourselves put tutorials on how to imitate a Sikh online for the entire world. It's call turban videos on Youtube.

OK, what about the Khalsa Mehima shabads? These are quite widely spread in the Panth, even among those who have never even heard of the Sarbloh Granth.

During Baba Santa Singhs time Budha Dal had its own printing press. It was impossible to get a copy of the teeka or Sarbloh granth without making a request in person at Budha Dal. It’s possible the mass printing started towards the end of his life as he was bed bound.

Students being taught Sarbloh Bani would still have to be taught about its background & authenticity as a preparation to face questions regarding authenticity & as a general lesson in the history of Sarbloh Granth. It’s important to know the unthanika of each Bani/pangti but also just as important to know the historical facts about the granth itself.

In Vedic scholarly dharmic granths are measured against the 3 farmaans (lokic, Vedic, swaiy) & then judged on vishashta, samanta & bugta...... students would need all the historical background & evidence etc to have this level of knowledge about the granth

Baba Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale warned his students that in the future an attack will be launched against Sri Dasam Granth. Baba Ji’s instructions were that established/older vidyartis should counter the attack & that no one from Taksal should doubt Dasam Bani & fall for the lies of the opposition. This warning was given despite Taksalis being adherents of Sri Dasam Granth.

In regards to Khalsa Mehima I think this was added by Dasam Mahraj at Sri Sarbloh Bunga Hazur sahib. It’s possible it existed separately, similar to how different banis from Dasam Granth were first in separate granths. 

Khalsa mehima is praise of Khalsa.... it does not contain anything that needs to be kept gupt.... the Nihangs openly did kirtan of Khalsa mehima

On 11/03/2018 at 1:33 AM, BhForce said:

Why are you posting as a guest, bro, when you have an account? Please sign in, it makes it easier to interact, because you get notifications.

My posts have to be ‘approved’ by the moderators before they can be posted. In most cases it takes several hours & the last post I made on a topic never even showed up

9 hours ago, TaksalDaSingh9771 said:

I may be wrong but I heard that maharaja Ranjit singh was whipped and had to go pesh for dying his beard. 

Maharaja Ranjit Singh was whipped for marrying a musalmani

It was Jussa Singh Ramgharia who was punished for dying his beard. The incident is mentioned in katha by Sant Mohan Singh Bhindranwala jatha bhindran.

18 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Mahakaal, Again you did not address any of my points and I don't understand why the tone of your post is full of hostility towards me. I am addressing you normally in a friendly debate. I have nothing against you bro. So take it easy.

 

You said Baba Banda Singh Bahadur called himself a Guru. But did not provide anything from his own letters proving he called himself a Guru. The only contemporary sources which call him a Guru are the Mughal ones not Sikh ones. PP and SP were written during the era of M Ranjit Singh(many generations after and contain errors in regards to other Shaheeds). Giani Gian Singh's time period was even after PP and SP. The letters of Mata Ji are forged by the Mughals who wanted the Khalsa to stop waging war against the Mughals. The Mughals had lost considerable territory to the Sikhs and thousands of soldiers and capable commanders during the Sikh rebellion. So it is understandable they will use Saam Dhaam Dand and Bhed tactics to make the Khalsa stop their activities.

 

The Gurmukh/Manmukh argument is not emotional. It is logical. How can a Manmukh get Shaheed like Baba Banda Singh Bahadur who was tortured all over his body with red hot pliers, had his eyes gouged out, had his hands and feet chopped of yet remain calm. Which Manmukh would have the Sabbar to have his son(a little boy) killed in front of him yet remain true to Sikhi? Which Manmukh would remain a humble servant of the Guru yet not even crown himself as king after winning such a huge territory. These are not the attributes of a Manmukh but a Gurmukh.

Prominent scholars, sants & jathedars from Taksal, Budha Dal, nirmala sampardai & Hazur Sahib are all universally agreed that the Hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji is genuine. If I remember correctly Mata Ji had Guru Sahibs mohr which would have been on the hukamnama.

PP & SP may have been written years later but they were written by gursikhs of the highest calibre who came from strong gursikh families.

Banda Bahadurs exemplary & praise worthy actions during his shaheedi have never been questioned by anyone, it is accepted across the board that Banda redeemed himself during his shaheedi.... it is not an issue here.... the issue is whether there was a fall from grace prior to shaheedi

53 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

Are there currently any Gurdware with blue nishaan sahibs? 

Just wondering how it would look like.

Budha Dal has Nishan Sahibs from the time of 6ve Patshah

All Nihang singh chaunis have blue Nishan Sahib. The Nihang nishanchi Singhs all carry blue Nishan Sahibs.

A farla dhari Nihang singh should always display a blue farla 

9 minutes ago, sikhni777 said:

I have read about this topic on a sikh website recently.  It was about honika who was Prehladhs sister who used this power to burn prehladh. 

Some sadhus or other people have this ability which they cant control and they end up self igniting themselves and end up in hospital. One of these was a six month old baby.

Her name was Holika and she was Prehladhs bhua (aunt) not his sister. Holika was Harnakash’s sister. She didn’t use this power to try & burn Prehladh, she had a special shawl that could withstand fire & thus allow the wearer to sit in fire etc & not be burnt or hurt.

8 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

You didn't address any of my points. Can you provide any thing from the writings of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur to prove he claimed to be Guru? Have you even read his letters? The only contemporary source to say he is Guru was from the Mughals who were our enemies and the primary source of this false propaganda

Again, I reiterate my point, you have shown no actual sources that back up your view, all you have provided is 1 name yet continue to ask for even more sources & evidence from those who oppose your view. If this were an actual gyan sabha you would be laughed out the door by now.

Untill you provide sources & evidence that back up your views & hold as much weight as the names & sources I have provided this discussion can not continue.

Lets keep it factual & leave the emotional heartstring stuff like Gurmukh/manmukh stuff to one side for now...... but if you insist on going down that route & base your argument on how could someone ‘handpicked’ by mahraj fall from grace then the example given by Kira is appropriate. If 7ve Gurus own biological son Ram Rai can fall from grace then why not anyone else? Those who do not understand the complexity of hankar & ego wont be able to get their head around that. 

Besides, it is universally accepted that Banda redeemed himself during his shaheedi, so again, leave the emotional stuff to 1 side & let’s stick to the facts & please provide sources that your views are based on. Emotional blackmail, personal feelings & individual personality worship traits do not count in a genuine gyan sabha.

35 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Can Mahakaal provide proof of Baba Banda Singh claiming to be Guru from the writings of Baba Banda  Singh Bahadur? Baba Ji wrote many letters and he never once refers to himself as Guru. The fact that he always refers to Guru Gobind Singh ji as Guru and in Guru jee's name he had issued the coins of the Sikh state. He was so humble that he never even claimed to be a king like Maharaja Ranjit Singh did after winning a huge territory.

 

The only contemporary sources to refer to him as Guru were the Mughals ones so it can be said to be Mughal propaganda to sow discord in Sikh ranks. We've had similar situation in our own recent times when GOI and their Sikh chumchas claim Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale wanted to become Guru of the Sikhs. But in today's age of technology and knowledge we were better able to counter these claims. But Sikhs 300 years ago did not have the resources as Sikhs today do to counter government propaganda.

 

The so called letters of Mata ji against Baba Ji are forged. Dr Anurag Singh studied these letters and is of the opinion that they do not match her writing style

 

Now discuss without personal insults this time.

Mata Sundri Ji’s rehitnama from Giani Gian singh commentary was provided on previous thread.

Sant Jarnail Singh katha link provided

Rattan Singh Bhangu panth Prakash listed as source

Kavi Santokh Singh Suraj Prakash listed

History from Budha Dal oral tradition provided on this thread

local history in Hazur Sahib can be sourced first hand 

You provide 1 name, DR Anurag Singh to dissprove the above mentioned sources then ask for more evidence?....... your having a laugh.

The ball is firmly in your court to provide something other then someone’s name..... a name you are using to say that Mata Sundri Ji hukamnama is forged & that Sant Jarnail singh (Taksal), Rattan singh Bhangu (grandson of Mehtab Singh), Kavi Santokh singh, Giani Gian Singh, Budha Dal (puratan sampardai) Hazur Sahib (local history) were all duped & are wrong!!!

12 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

You made Sant Jarnail Singh ji as an authority figure because it pushed your agenda.  Where Sant Jarnail Singh ji speaks against your agenda, you ignore and slander the person who brings up Sant ji statements.  Your miserable attempt to push your agenda falls flat on its head and you make up excuses.  You changed the topic by attempting to make Sant Jarnail Singh ji an authority figure when it helps your agenda.  This is what I addressed.  

Read the post again. I also mentioned Mata Sundri Ji, Rattan Singh Bhangu, Giani  Gian Singh & Budha Dal as supportive of Sant Ji’s view... they are all authorative figures.

Simarily on the topic of Kirpan amrit.... Sant Ji has his views but there are sants who support the views of Budha Dal, Hazur Sahib & Bhai Chaupa Singh rehitnama.... learn how to weigh up actual evidence instead of indulging in personality worship & believing everything based on 1 viewpoint.

Saints of the highest level have had disagreements before. I would name names & give examples but I don’t have that much time for you.

now.... stick to the topic of the thread