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Jas Singh I share your pov,while most posts do not understand that thru thesr kind of things only the ills of honduism are creeping in our faith

Does any body knowvwhst has been told about Gaystri in gurbani? Comparing any gurbani shabad with gayatri ,only some one from brahmanvad can think of.Waheguru ji bakhshish karan te sanu sabh nu sumat den.Apne pov de lai mahapurshan de na nal te na khedo

C,mon we are supposed to do jaap of mool mantar & guru mantar only. Where from you got this nonsense idea?

All saaid and done,the really serious initiative be undertaken and availing help of experts also be taken if necessary. Only right thinking Singhs can take this kind of initiative. Many are doing it,need is to join togather atleast keeping in touch(our leadership n SGPC are not doing any meaningful task at all.I think such forums & threads help in making likeminded ppl join hands and coolobrating hence arecvrry usefull tool towards rite direction

Very nice pj singh ji

No body tries to get my pov.the vairag as shown in this book is not the kind of vairag our Guru Sahibans have espoused.just study Sidh Gost properly and you know the difference No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere. No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere.

No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere.

gurbani in any form is to be respected with utmost respect & attention be it SGGS form Gutka, Pothi or Sanchi Sanchi is smaller (2 parts of Gurbani - part one Ang 1-700 upto Jaitsari vaar & part 2 from Jaitsri Raag to Ang 1428 ( normally meant for Santhya Purpose or PPl who cannot do prakash at home can do paath at home it can be had from any bookseller selling Gurmat Books All gurbani should be placed at clean Appropriate place showing respect , but yes without regular reading , no use , readingg understanding and practising the same inlife too is part of showing respect fateh

didn't you find on youtube / ikirtan.org\sikhee.com

he is fighting election from Delhi , Sikhs of DElhi should seek an answer from him and not vote in his favor , and other Singhs should seek reply from him at every forum he speaks , including social media

Mr whoever , you are not getting my pov , Bharthari who wrote this book existed 1500 years before Guru nanak Dev ji - THAT IS HISTORY

Mr Mohkam Singh Ji , WJKK WJKF , I can feel from your expressions that you are feeling agitated by my POV , yo clarify my position first , I am not that young as you have thought me to be , i am in late fifties , second certain points I have raised about are Supremacy of Gurbani for Khalsa , Second counter the points raised by Veer Tuhintuhin , icertainly not want to disrespect anybodty but alongwith what may main point is - the treatises of other faith cannot be compared with the wrirtings of Samkali Singhs of Guru sahiban and the later Singhs . For comparative & critical study every body should read the books (for this reason only the Guru sahib himself sent singhs to kashi - the Nirmala Singhs , even I have spent my childhood at aNirmal Ashram studying the Gurmat , study of Vedangas , and at later Stage of Life studied western thought too , yet at the stage where I am nearing Sixties , My faith in SGGS is as sound as it was in teens I never meant to insult any body , if you felt that way , my aplogies FATEH

Mr Mohkam singh - -Did you learn about Vairag fromm Reading this book only and not from Gurbaani? -Do you concern renunciation of the word and becoming begger avery big virtue ( which is diametrically opposite to the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib)? - in your opinion were the naths jogis were free from the vices of Krodh & ahankar & jelousy - which did not show from thir behaviour with Baba Sri Guru Nanak dev Ji My straight question to you is - did you not find teachings of Guru Sahib enough to awaken the Vairaag in you ? that you find it necessary to emphasise the need to refer to that book.

please , go to the pinned thread by Bhai late Kundeep Singh ji about the same subject Caste System In Sikhi [Late S. K.Singh Deep Ji's last message for all of us] under heading Gursikhi gems which gives answers to many questions , further we have to start from ourselves to fight the evils , no words are sufficient if we do not set example outselves waheguru ji ka khalsa wahiguru ji ki fateh

Bhai Mohkam Singh ji , after the Formal Gur Fateh , Would i request you humbly that vairag as stated in Gurbani is different from that which is proclaimed in the book referred by you , have you studied and understood enough of Gurbaani , Im afraid you need some more , else you wouldnot have been so impressed by the nath mat who ran away from difficulties of routines of life and started living in woods , there was no feeling of SARBAT DA BHALA in their minds , after achieving so many Ridhi & sidhis became Ahankaris .And the way of life shown by our great Gurus teaches us to be VICHE GIRHI VICHE UDASI and the first tenets of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were- KIRT KARO , NAAM JAPO - VAND CHAKO (while naaths were living parasites of our society ) In general , as said earlier I am not against discussing books of other faiths critically , not on equal footings with Gurbani & baani of sikhs who spent thier lives in company of Satgurus perfectly in tune with the teachings of Sikhi hence any literature which leads the reader to renunciation(sanyaas) way is not acceptable to be discussed as equivalent to Gurbaani .because the final teachings of these books are not in tune with Sikh way of Life , overall the decision lies with the Administrators which may still like to allow such things which confuse the minds of Lay persons in Sikhi

why do not you check out at the site budhadal.org\ you may be redirected to budhadal.com for purchases or further info (i think so) but you get the correct information to querries regarding all about nihang sampradai wjkk wjkf

the Headlines of this Section reads - This section is for articles and discussions related to Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, Banis of Bhai Gurdas Ji, Bhai Nand Lal Ji, Janam Saakhi and other important Sikh scriptures. Now can the Administrator please clarify that book under reference falls under which of these catagories specified in the Heading when it is not a bani of Dasam Pitaji , Jan am Saakhi , written by bhai Nand Lalji /Bhai Gurdaas Ji - do the 1adminidtrators think it is an important sikh scripture ? Please do not try to ridicule my querry it is a serious Question about what can be discussed with devotion and what to be discussed critically vis a vis Gurbani & compared to Gurmat This question is directed to the Administrators of the Site

First,i amnot contesting credentials of anybody including yourself, next is it proven fact that the poetry inder discussionwas written after ,as per you he became sikh of our first kaml murshid sahib.As far I know Bhrthari (not bhagirath as you refered ) who wrote this poetry was brother of king Vikramaditya ( who started Vikrami samvat since his accension on thron of Ujjayini & that dates back to 1500 alp years before the time of SG nanak deve ji ( the meeting historically is out of qudstion. Second the phillosophy of nath sampradaya is not in tune with sikh way & view of life which teaches not to run away from social life . We may study scripturesof otherfaiths & various lines of thinking for comparartive study and update for answdring querries during discussions but quoting naths as gurmukhs very humbly speaking is taking things too far ( only awayward sikh may think on these lines)Have you come across any nath sect follower accepting tht Gorakhnath accepted Guru ji as his Guru,no you will not .I have personally visited HQ of nath sampraday at Gorakhpur and no found any such evidence . they teach idol worshipping .have their own scriptures . hence allway different from our faith

First,i amnot contesting credentials of anybody including yourself, next is it proven fact that the poetry inder discussionwas written after ,as per you he became sikh of our first kaml murshid sahib.As far I know Bhrthari (not bhagirath as you refered ) who wrote this poetry was brother of king Vikramaditya ( who started Vikrami samvat since his accension on thron of Ujjayini & that dates back to 1500 alp years before the time of SG nanak deve ji ( the meeting historically is out of qudstion. Second the phillosophy of nath sampradaya is not in tune with sikh way & view of life which teaches not to run away from social life . We may study scripturesof otherfaiths & various lines of thinking for comparartive study and update for answdring querries during discussions but quoting naths as gurmukhs very humbly speaking is taking things too far ( only awayward sikh may think on these lines)Have you come across any nath sect follower accepting tht Gorakhnath accepted Guru ji as his Guru,no you will not .I have personally visited HQ of nath sampraday at Gorakhpur and no found any such evidence . they teach idol worshipping .have their own scriptures . hence allway different from our faith. Please make differention btween our faith n others and keep discussion on logical & historical facts only Bhul chuk maaf WGKKWGKF

First of all I do not understand why this thread has been allowed in a Sikh site where poetry written by a Nath (follower of Gorakhnath.) is being discussed in Such amanner as if it is the most sacred Psalm of the world , Did the person has not find solace in Gurbani , that raises genuine doubts about him being a real SINGH. If he is one could he not discuss at such lenght the Banis of Sidh Gost , Sukhmani Sahib and any other Banis . As we all know the Vairagya of the Genre the Sidhs were propagating ( it made Common Indian the kind of Coward which the Great Gurus of Us tried to remove . in short the teachings of Sidhs are not in Tune with the philosophy of Sikh Faith and has no place to be discussed at this forum

i like your POV

can have it from Singh Brothers Amritsars on line - singhbrothers.com

Well, The guy starting this thread has not lost faith in Sikhi but confused , else he wouldn't have made the post , the rest replying are making him more confused . As far i understand Sikhi starts frm accepting God the almighty and his wish , live the way he wanted us to (accepting the form he very graciously provided alongwith kesh ) , love his creations(trying to help others in living their life till it does not hinder any other living being doing the same - Bhai kahoo ko det nah nah bhai manat aan) , spend life in his rememberence the ultimate goal being to attain unison with the SUPREME SOUL .

i HUMBLY disagree with harsharan 000.,the Brahminicals in connivance with the ruling class (kshatriyas )conspired to keep the knowledge away from the ruling class .It has been evident from the tales of ramayana & mahabharata (shambook and the likes ) where the so called shudras were not tolerated for trying to attain moksha . it was said that it the people who are not considered fit for bhakti &moksha ( vaishyas & shudras)should not even listen to the gyan , and if found to be doing same their ears be filled with molten lead . Our gurus very kindly made the same Gyan available to us in the language which could be understood by us all . Only we should spare some time to read & understand . For any shabad just start with the lines with Rahao (having central idea of the shabad )and try to understand the full shabad keeping the rahao tuk in mind , every thing becomes clear by trying one , two or three times .

the descendants of Dhir Mall who call themselves as above sikh sangats do not even allow open darshan of the beer, leave aside digitising , many atimes it is said they charge for darshan , accept bhetas from sangat like they are gurus themselves .If all sangat & panthik forces join hands only then it would be possible , Iwould like to see this happen earliest