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Jas Singh I share your pov,while most posts do not understand that thru thesr kind of things only the ills of honduism are creeping in our faith

Does any body knowvwhst has been told about Gaystri in gurbani? Comparing any gurbani shabad with gayatri ,only some one from brahmanvad can think of.Waheguru ji bakhshish karan te sanu sabh nu sumat den.Apne pov de lai mahapurshan de na nal te na khedo

C,mon we are supposed to do jaap of mool mantar & guru mantar only. Where from you got this nonsense idea?

All saaid and done,the really serious initiative be undertaken and availing help of experts also be taken if necessary. Only right thinking Singhs can take this kind of initiative. Many are doing it,need is to join togather atleast keeping in touch(our leadership n SGPC are not doing any meaningful task at all.I think such forums & threads help in making likeminded ppl join hands and coolobrating hence arecvrry usefull tool towards rite direction

Very nice pj singh ji

No body tries to get my pov.the vairag as shown in this book is not the kind of vairag our Guru Sahibans have espoused.just study Sidh Gost properly and you know the difference

No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere.

No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere.

No idea why every body is so much advocating for Naths.if post of JP singh to be followed .even einstein has made contribution to society,should we learn sikh traditions &theology from him too?Why being singhs we should as much try to put our feet on 2 boats.My family & we are 2nd gen Sikhs ,if same things are being seen here to(following brahmins,naths n following to their whims) why you ppl are reverting to brahmanvad.there is ample treasure of knowledge in SGGS please try to find iut .we do not need nonsense from elsewhere.

gurbani in any form is to be respected with utmost respect & attention be it SGGS form Gutka, Pothi or Sanchi

Sanchi is smaller (2 parts of Gurbani - part one Ang 1-700 upto Jaitsari vaar & part 2 from Jaitsri Raag to Ang 1428 ( normally meant for Santhya Purpose or PPl who cannot do prakash at home can do paath at home it can be had from any bookseller selling Gurmat Books

All gurbani should be placed at clean Appropriate place showing respect , but yes without regular reading , no use , readingg understanding and practising the same inlife too is part of showing respect

fateh

I'm hoping some of you heard a raagi called bhai Sohan Singh rasia.I have been trying to find some info on him.Any info be aprecciated.

didn't you find on youtube / ikirtan.org\sikhee.com

he is fighting election from Delhi , Sikhs of DElhi should seek an answer from him and not vote in his favor , and other Singhs should seek reply from him at every forum he speaks , including social media

Thanks so much Mokham Singh for great seva and your above post. Just to expand on Mokham Singh post. Here is damdami taksal syllabus to learn old traditional sikhi:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/67189-lack-of-bhramvidya-in-the-panth/page-1

Mr whoever , you are not getting my pov , Bharthari who wrote this book existed 1500 years before Guru nanak Dev ji - THAT IS HISTORY

The under lying message in Vairaag Shatak is Vairaag {renunciation}; Gurbani stresses the importance of Vairaag, in order to break free from Kaam/krodh/lobh/moh/ahankar.

What made India a nation of cowards, was not Vairaag; the thing that made India a nation of sub-servients, was spiritual corruption, the attachment to materialism, and the distancing of folk from self discipline.

This Granth teaches one the importance of Vairaag, and the need for self discipline etc. Rajah Bharthari used physical renunciation; becoming a beggar, in essence.

Gurmat teaches us to work for a living; to help the needy too, in a charitable manner.

The bottom line is VAIRAAG; if it can be learned from this Granth, there is no harm.

Anything that distances us from Kaam/krodh/lobh/moh/ahankar, is definitely worth reading.....

Waheguru....

Mr Mohkam Singh Ji ,

WJKK WJKF , I can feel from your expressions that you are feeling agitated by my POV , yo clarify my position first , I am not that young as you have thought me to be , i am in late fifties , second certain points I have raised about are Supremacy of Gurbani for Khalsa , Second counter the points raised by Veer Tuhintuhin , icertainly not want to disrespect anybodty but alongwith what may main point is - the treatises of other faith cannot be compared with the wrirtings of Samkali Singhs of Guru sahiban and the later Singhs . For comparative & critical study every body should read the books (for this reason only the Guru sahib himself sent singhs to kashi - the Nirmala Singhs , even I have spent my childhood at aNirmal Ashram studying the Gurmat , study of Vedangas , and at later Stage of Life studied western thought too , yet at the stage where I am nearing Sixties , My faith in SGGS is as sound as it was in teens

I never meant to insult any body , if you felt that way , my aplogies

FATEH

Mr Mohkam singh -

-Did you learn about Vairag fromm Reading this book only and not from Gurbaani?

-Do you concern renunciation of the word and becoming begger avery big virtue ( which is diametrically opposite to the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib)?

- in your opinion were the naths jogis were free from the vices of Krodh & ahankar & jelousy - which did not show from thir behaviour with Baba Sri Guru Nanak dev Ji

My straight question to you is - did you not find teachings of Guru Sahib enough to awaken the Vairaag in you ? that you find it necessary to emphasise the need to refer to that book.

please , go to the pinned thread by Bhai late Kundeep Singh ji about the same subject Caste System In Sikhi [Late S. K.Singh Deep Ji's last message for all of us]

under heading Gursikhi gems which gives answers to many questions , further we have to start from ourselves to fight the evils , no words are sufficient if we do not set example outselves

waheguru ji ka khalsa wahiguru ji ki fateh

Bhai Mohkam Singh ji , after the Formal Gur Fateh , Would i request you humbly that vairag as stated in Gurbani is different from that which is proclaimed in the book referred by you , have you studied and understood enough of Gurbaani , Im afraid you need some more , else you wouldnot have been so impressed by the nath mat who ran away from difficulties of routines of life and started living in woods , there was no feeling of SARBAT DA BHALA in their minds , after achieving so many Ridhi & sidhis became Ahankaris .And the way of life shown by our great Gurus teaches us to be VICHE GIRHI VICHE UDASI and the first tenets of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were- KIRT KARO , NAAM JAPO - VAND CHAKO (while naaths were living parasites of our society )

In general , as said earlier I am not against discussing books of other faiths critically , not on equal footings with Gurbani & baani of sikhs who spent thier lives in company of Satgurus perfectly in tune with the teachings of Sikhi

hence any literature which leads the reader to renunciation(sanyaas) way is not acceptable to be discussed as equivalent to Gurbaani .because the final teachings of these books are not in tune with Sikh way of Life , overall the decision lies with the Administrators which may still like to allow such things which confuse the minds of Lay persons in Sikhi

why do not you check out at the site budhadal.org\

you may be redirected to budhadal.com for purchases or further info (i think so) but you get the correct information to querries regarding all about nihang sampradai

wjkk wjkf

the Headlines of this Section reads -

Now can the Administrator please clarify that book under reference falls under which of these catagories specified in the Heading when it is not a bani of Dasam Pitaji , Jan am Saakhi , written by bhai Nand Lalji /Bhai Gurdaas Ji - do the 1adminidtrators think it is an important sikh scripture ?

Please do not try to ridicule my querry it is a serious Question about what can be discussed with devotion and what to be discussed critically vis a vis Gurbani & compared to Gurmat

the Headlines of this Section reads -

This section is for articles and discussions related to Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, Banis of Bhai Gurdas Ji, Bhai Nand Lal Ji, Janam Saakhi

and other important Sikh scriptures.

Now can the Administrator please clarify that book under reference falls under which of these catagories specified in the Heading when it is not a bani of Dasam Pitaji , Jan am Saakhi , written by bhai Nand Lalji /Bhai Gurdaas Ji - do the 1adminidtrators think it is an important sikh scripture ?

Please do not try to ridicule my querry it is a serious Question about what can be discussed with devotion and what to be discussed critically vis a vis Gurbani & compared to Gurmat

This question is directed to the Administrators of the Site

First,i amnot contesting credentials of anybody including yourself, next is it proven fact that the poetry inder discussionwas written after ,as per you he became sikh of our first kaml murshid sahib.As far I know Bhrthari (not bhagirath as you refered ) who wrote this poetry was brother of king Vikramaditya ( who started Vikrami samvat since his accension on thron of Ujjayini & that dates back to 1500 alp years before the time of SG nanak deve ji ( the meeting historically is out of qudstion. Second the phillosophy of nath sampradaya is not in tune with sikh way & view of life which teaches not to run away from social life .

We may study scripturesof otherfaiths & various lines of thinking for comparartive study and update for answdring querries during discussions but quoting naths as gurmukhs very humbly speaking is taking things too far ( only awayward sikh may think on these lines)Have you come across any nath sect follower accepting tht Gorakhnath accepted Guru ji as his Guru,no you will not .I have personally visited HQ of nath sampraday at Gorakhpur and no found any such evidence . they teach idol worshipping .have their own scriptures . hence allway different from our faith

^^ waheguru ji.....raja bhagirath met Guru Nanak Sahib which changed his life and he became a Gursikh.

fyi: some sidh jogis like gorakh nath became Guru sahib's followers too.

We should not raise our finger at anyone if we don't have enough knowledge about the topic.

Bhai Mokham Singh ji is very respected and learned Singh and he has earned this respect with Guru sahib's kirpa.

First,i amnot contesting credentials of anybody including yourself, next is it proven fact that the poetry inder discussionwas written after ,as per you he became sikh of our first kaml murshid sahib.As far I know Bhrthari (not bhagirath as you refered ) who wrote this poetry was brother of king Vikramaditya ( who started Vikrami samvat since his accension on thron of Ujjayini & that dates back to 1500 alp years before the time of SG nanak deve ji ( the meeting historically is out of qudstion. Second the phillosophy of nath sampradaya is not in tune with sikh way & view of life which teaches not to run away from social life .

We may study scripturesof otherfaiths & various lines of thinking for comparartive study and update for answdring querries during discussions but quoting naths as gurmukhs very humbly speaking is taking things too far ( only awayward sikh may think on these lines)Have you come across any nath sect follower accepting tht Gorakhnath accepted Guru ji as his Guru,no you will not .I have personally visited HQ of nath sampraday at Gorakhpur and no found any such evidence . they teach idol worshipping .have their own scriptures . hence allway different from our faith.

Please make differention btween our faith n others and keep discussion on logical & historical facts only

Bhul chuk maaf WGKKWGKF

^^ waheguru ji.....raja bhagirath met Guru Nanak Sahib which changed his life and he became a Gursikh.

fyi: some sidh jogis like gorakh nath became Guru sahib's followers too.

We should not raise our finger at anyone if we don't have enough knowledge about the topic.

Bhai Mokham Singh ji is very respected and learned Singh and he has earned this respect with Guru sahib's kirpa.

First of all I do not understand why this thread has been allowed in a Sikh site where poetry written by a Nath (follower of Gorakhnath.) is being discussed in Such amanner as if it is the most sacred Psalm of the world , Did the person has not find solace in Gurbani , that raises genuine doubts about him being a real SINGH. If he is one could he not discuss at such lenght the Banis of Sidh Gost , Sukhmani Sahib and any other Banis . As we all know the Vairagya of the Genre the Sidhs were propagating ( it made Common Indian the kind of Coward which the Great Gurus of Us tried to remove .

in short the teachings of Sidhs are not in Tune with the philosophy of Sikh Faith and has no place to be discussed at this forum

Hi brother, it breaks my heart to see you question so much of your relationship with your faith, I am a convert to Sikhi however I can imagine many young Sikhs in the faith have such questions and you are brave to bring them out in the open. I hope it will help with many others that might be experiencing similar doubts. I believe many of the questions can be answered simply by researching more and with more simran. I will however answer with the limited knowladge I have in my own path to sikhi.

First of all guru Nanak dev ji did all he could to avoid violence and he was automatically respected wherever he went. Guru gobind Singh ji was war oriented and proclaimed Sikhs as the warrior race.

The Gurus faced different challenges at different times, All however believed in exhausting all other means before raising the sword. They all made great sacrifices too. Demonstrating all the forms of service to humanity. Guru Gobind Singh Ji did create or give form to the khalsa so that in future the opressed would have a force for truth and rightiousness to turn to. Raising the sword was always to be done as a last resort. If all other means had failed to achieve peace and justice.

Guru gobind Singh ji also said that we must keep a turban and Kesh.

Understanding the Kesh is important, for so many reasons. It is to accept the form we are created by Waheguru. To protect this the dastar.

On the other hand guru Nanak dev ji said in one of his sakhis where the pandit was tying a bracelet on him, that he won't wear it because no exterior feature will help someone reach god. In addition guru

The red thread in question was given to the higher castes only. Not all could wear it. Why distinguish high and low. If it was put into fire it burns. The Kara is very egalitarian...not made of fine materials liek silk or gold. Its strong as iron and accessible to all regardless of caste or status. Its a sign of our chain to our Lord. To always do the work rightiously and truthfully.

Nanak dev ji said that it doesn't matter what religion you are as long as you're one with god and are humble.

Sikhi still doesnt go looking for forced convertions. It accepts other faiths and the Gurus always assisted and defenced people of other faiths. Look at example of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji.

Guru Gobind Singh ji said we should wear a turban because kings at the time wore it and we should be proclaimed as kings.

Again all are kings, equal. Breaking down the barriers by empowerment.

In my opinion that's not humble at all. Guru Nanak dev ji said that we are all equal no matter what and you shouldn't care if you have something others don't. Guru gobind Singh ji gave us a turban so we stick out and be recognized as Sikhs.

The turban should be a sign that people can look for protection. Someone who stands for truth and justice. It is perhaps we as sikhs who fail to live up to this not the fault of our Gurus.

Also Sikhs are not allowed to have their backs and feet towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. But guru Nanak dev ji in one of his sakhis guru nakak dev ji went to a mosque and pointed his feet towards Mecca which Muslims could not do but he said that god is everywhere.

Showing respect to your living Guru why would you turn your back to them? The point Guru nanak Dev Ji was making was that God is everywhere. He didnt live in the Kaaba or Ganga.

I believe in guru Nanak dev ji but not the others after him.

Guru Angad Ji was chosen by Guru Nanak Dev ji over his sons as his successor. It was his words. If you believe in his words believe in his actions also.

I believe I should cut my kesh now because I don't see a reason to keep it. How do I approach my parents about this? They aren't really religious and my dad trims but he loves India and Indian culture. He's very authoritarian but how do I approach my patents about this?

Keep your Kesh out of pyar if you do not understand it quite yet. The problem arises when its a cultural aspect not religious. If the parents dont understand such things how are children meant to. Arm yourself with knowladge brother. Its not enough mearly to dip into something you need to crave for understanding. To want to be with Akaal purak more than anything. Otherwise all these things discussed mean nothing. You are so blessed in so many ways! Again forgive me for any inaccuracies or any offence caused.

i like your POV

can have it from Singh Brothers Amritsars on line - singhbrothers.com

Well, The guy starting this thread has not lost faith in Sikhi but confused , else he wouldn't have made the post , the rest replying are making him more confused .

As far i understand Sikhi starts frm accepting God the almighty and his wish , live the way he wanted us to (accepting the form he very graciously provided alongwith kesh ) , love his creations(trying to help others in living their life till it does not hinder any other living being doing the same - Bhai kahoo ko det nah nah bhai manat aan) , spend life in his rememberence the ultimate goal being to attain unison with the SUPREME SOUL .

i HUMBLY disagree with harsharan 000.,the Brahminicals in connivance with the ruling class (kshatriyas )conspired to keep the knowledge away from the ruling class .It has been evident from the tales of ramayana & mahabharata (shambook and the likes ) where the so called shudras were not tolerated for trying to attain moksha . it was said that it the people who are not considered fit for bhakti &moksha ( vaishyas & shudras)should not even listen to the gyan , and if found to be doing same their ears be filled with molten lead .

Our gurus very kindly made the same Gyan available to us in the language which could be understood by us all . Only we should spare some time to read & understand . For any shabad just start with the lines with Rahao (having central idea of the shabad )and try to understand the full shabad keeping the rahao tuk in mind , every thing becomes clear by trying one , two or three times .

the descendants of Dhir Mall who call themselves as above sikh sangats do not even allow open darshan of the beer, leave aside digitising , many atimes it is said they charge for darshan , accept bhetas from sangat like they are gurus themselves .If all sangat & panthik forces join hands only then it would be possible , Iwould like to see this happen earliest