Malkeetv

I read somewhere that she has briefly mentioned operation shanti in her book. can someone past that or past a link

No, this is not the shabad I'm looking for.

Sri Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh

I'm looking for this shabad, I think it's written by Sri Guru Arjun dev ji, which speaks about a balanced mind and life. It says that if we are very happy then we get very sad, if we laugh a lot then we cry a lot, we should not eat alot and sleep alot, We should not get very exited etc Can someone please help?

Did ram-rahim apologise or did our jathedars upfrontly pardon him?

1st question: because giving them a response only makes this site more popular in terms of views, more people advertise based on views equally more money, (internet logic). 2nd answer: YES, but our scholars don't just respond to them rather they tell GurSikhs straightforward, (even this site has ads).

But I'm sure thousands of Sikh youths all over the world would be reading these articles and that might discourage them away from Sikhi. That's why it is necessary to debunk such dawah givers.

I think we shouldn't give them too much attention.

why not? don't we have enough scholors?

www.islam-sikhism.info/hist/kartarpuri01.htm

What is the reason or logic behind it.

first you are unpard because my initials are not JSV but JKV thus a female , second : you are the one who want to come here and slag off sikh women in general as being not worth the bother because of one person , since when was that in the context of what you started ? so addressing your point about those girls who are going astray: there are two issues through ignorance of sikhi they fall for MENs patter in general and do the unsikh behaviour of dating etc then on top of that they see unsikh like behaviour and hypocritical behaviour in the sikh guys where they date out of faith regularly and think what's the point of being good if these jokers can't follow the rules too? thus use it as a justification to misbehave .

I'm not saying it is a correct way of analysing the situation on their part but seriously before pointing the finger at others one should make sure that one is following Guru ji's hukham which you have said you haven't and are still considering not following . You are happy to boast about your family and friends failure to follow Guru Gobind SIngh ji's hukham about not marrying muslims ...this is the same crime for which Akali Phoola SIngh administered Panj Piarey punishment on Maharaja Ranjit SIngh of whipping, then go on to say those girls who do fall for muslim guys are not worth putting straight . Then why should I bother listening to your words ?

You have committed Tu quoque, Ad hominen, red herring, contextomy and selective observation logical fallacies. I have clearly stated that I'm not talking about Sikh girls in general but only those girls who were born in a Sikh family but have a bad attitude towards Sardars. And, I have also clearly mentioned that the reason I mentioned My chacha's interfaith marriage and girls from other faiths proposing me was to show that Sardars are no less than other boys in terms of attractiveness, a good life partner, Looks, raw charisma etc and to compare the attitude of those girls who were born in a Sikh family but have a bad attitude for Sardars vis-à-vis the attitude of girls from other faiths towerds Sardars. So Sikh boys don't have to nag themselves for such girls. Now, Show me evidence where Guru Gobind Singh ji said to not to marry a Muslim women even though by rule, she would be a Sikh after marriage and what about Maharaja Runjit Singh's Hindu wives or are you of the view that Sikhs can marry Hindus but not Muslims. The question whether a Sikh boy can marry a non-Sikh girl should be a different thread, not here.

What makes you sure that this woman or girl will convert?

Your are deviating from the original content,theme and the context of this thread. Its a logical fallacy known as red herring. The subject of discussion is "Sikh girls going out with Muslims" and I'm talking in that context. The discussion whether a non-Sikh girl would convert after marriage and become a good Sikh or whether a Sikh girl would turn out to be good Sikh should be a different thread. But since you have asked me this question, my answer would be that there is no assurance whatsoever that a Girl from a Sikh family would turn out to be a good Sikh or a non-Sikh girl would convert and become a Good Sikh, Unless you know her very well.

it is phokat karam wale men like you that turn our girls off from sikh men ...instead of blaming others for the situation why don't you look at what you sound and act like ...where did you hear it was desirable for SIkh men to behave like you? I'm interested since you have no sharam about openly stating intent to reject all sikh girls yourself .

Bro.. read my last post again. when did I Say that all Sikhs girls should be rejected. Don't you understand the meaning of the word 'context?' Again, for the third time, I do not know how to make it more simple for you, My post was regarding those girls who were born in a Sikh family but have a foul attitude for Sardars, not all Sikh girls. Are we on the same page? Now, I would like to marry a Sikh girl, if I like her and She likes me. The reason I mentioned the fact that girls from other faiths have proposed me was to show that we should not nag because of Sikh girls who look down upon Sikh boys. Will you marry a girl who looks down upon you or will you marry a girl who appreciates you? Tell me why should we annoy ourselves because of those girls who are born in a Sikh family but wants to marry a monna, a Hindu or a Muslim. By mentioning the fact that the girls from other Faiths shows interest in Sardars, I wanted to compare the attitude of those girls who were born in a Sikh family but look down upon Sardars vis-a-vis the attitude of girls from other faiths for Sardars. And, How did I make Sikh girls turn off from Sikh men? And you wrote "...phokat karam wale men like you that turn our girls off from sikh men ...instead of blaming others for the situation why don't you look at what you sound and act like ...where did you hear it was desirable for SIkh men to behave like you? I'm interested since you have no sharam.." You have committed a logical fallacy known as Ad Hominem. And since when did calling others with names like 'phukat karam wale men' and 'hypocrites' considered desirable behaviour for Sikhs?

your nephew ? excuse me get it straight you were talking about your Chacha and Chachi so that make any kid your cousin....he may have a jooda but does he know anything about sikhi . Besides I hold you at zero level of sikhi because you engaged in dating and then talk about considering other faith girls ...man sort out your besharami before you judge others . You may not consider it your duty but I think that is down to your lack of knowledge but I will try my best whenever and whereever I can.

p.s. anyone capable of hanging their iman, sharam hiya on a koonti to go to Bollywood is not Dasmesh Pita di beti ...when she said it , the thought that came to mind 'tanu kaun puchh reha ?' kaali ghada jadde bolda

As i said earlier, you are taking me out of context. I was talking about girls who are born in a Sikh family but have a bad attitude towards Sardars, not those girls who are really proud to be a Sikh and would love to marry a Sardar. The fact that a Sikh girl would be able to teach Sikhi to her children better than a non-Sikh girl is a different topic. The thread is 'Sikh girls going out with Muslims' and it's in that context I wrote that we should not bother ourselves because of such girls and that there are girls that appreciate Sikh boys even though they themselves are not Sikhs. And I don't see anything wrong in marrying a non-Sikh girl because she will become a Sikh and will have a kaur after her name, will visit Gurudwara, learn moolmantar, then Japji Sahib and she will progress. And, thank you for correcting me, he's my cousin and quite a good Sikh. And what assurance is there that if I marry a Sikh girl, she would turn out to be a good Sikh. And you wrote"...stop judging others" look who's talking, called anyone besharm lately.

Malkeet ,

if that is your name, please tell me your muslim aunties have sikh children, muslim children or atheists because that is the only three flavours that come out of that situation , the chances that the kids will be sikhs is lower than that of being atheist , because your uncles have zero respect or knowledge of what the Guru s and Sikhs of the past laid their lives down for just like those girls you cuss, and to be honest there is no way a muslimah is going to be versed enough or even motivated enough to teach their kids to be gursikhs . So there you have it the destruction of the future of sikhi . It is not about fish in the sea it is about ensuring going forward that there are a strong group of Sikh women who know and can teach their kids what it means to be real , to stand up for right, to be spiritual ...sure anyone can throw up their hands and say let them go ....but that is washing your hands of responsibility that Guru ji placed on all his followers to spread the message of sikhi and remind those who have strayed where the path lies and encourage them back .Guru ji didn't bring up generations of backsliders , you can't crow about being sikh if you are willing to just let it slide

you are taking my post out of context. I wrote about the filthy attitude that some Sikh girls have for Sardars in comparison to non-Sikh girls. Do you remember Tapsee Pannu(born in a Sikh family), a Bollywood actress, saying that she will never marry a Sardar on national media. So why should we nag ourselves for such girls. By the way, my nephew has unshorn hair.

What are you talking about "Sikh" girls? Are you referring to those who are absorbed in Gurbani? Those who call Guru Sahib words that I can't repeat, (you know what I mean)? Or those that take intoxication and alcohol? Also all people are your brothers or sisters so why would you be flirting with them?

obviously I'm talking about girls born in Sikh families but with a foul attitude towads Sardars. Haven't you heard them saying that they want a monna. And, when did I say we should flirt? My post was in the context of this thread.

ive started collage and am shoked 2 find the amount of so called sikh girls modern 'sikhs' going out with muslims and others while they diss respect thier sikh brothers 1 asked me y u got a Bhinderanwale t shirt on i go cos i represent the sikh freedom movement she jus goes ur mad f***ed in da head sikhism oriinated 4rm hinduism dis dat the usual.Another thing they even wera karas and chins with khandas and smoke drink -evrything .If u say anything they out u dwn or start an argument with mentality dat its ' Jus anova singh religious guy dont know much were modern we got a life we got a boyfriend whos 'cool' .Truth is ikh girls these days r a disgrace 2 us DISGRACE dont know nothing -dont try -and dont wanna thye have gotta be set straight ! or the future of Sikhi in the long term in England dosent look bright -wen ur own sistas r puttin u dwn as extreamists - low lifes and stupid isiots while going out with nuslims who later convert them and use and abuse them if u get what i mean Its shoking 2 c what happens in colages Im ashamed of sikh girls and have come up with a term with my friends Sikh-<admin-profanity filter activated> the only way 2 describe dem they call themselves sikhs and be sluts They need 2 be set stright i appeal 2 all of the bruvas 2 set em staright .-Eduacte dem

insult them if u have 2 if they put u dwn wen u sayin right DEFEND UR SIKHI BE THE NEXT GENERATION OF THE DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH

well, why think so negative. I know two Sardars who are married to Muslim women. One is my chacha and the other is a training officer in my office. Any which way, how does that matter? I really don't have taste for Sikh Girls. They have irritating nasalised voice and on top of that thier filthy attitude. I was in a relation with a jatt-Sikh girl and oh God, that was a nightmare(calling it a nightmare because of lack of words to describe the the scale of magnitude of her Psychoness) I have always had good response from non-Sikh girls including our American clients. Non-Sikh girls admire my turban, my beard and I have got few propasals for relationship but after that stupid relationship, I just feel that I should stay single for a while. Not all girls are like that, this is just my personal experiance. If a Silk girls wants to marry a non-Sikh, let her go. Who cares, are they the only girls on earth? No. Craving for girls will only give them an upper hand (that is something psychological) Chill and remember, that there are many fish in the Ocean.

What a stupid comment. You claim Sikhs building Mosques shows that they are above 'narrow religious views' but then want to BAN evangelicals and dawah preachers? So now instead of just building Mosques, the Gurus now also built Temples ?? You sure there isn't a sakhi about them building a synagogue as well somewhere?

You don't need to ban any other religious preaching, if only Sikhs were strong in their faith instead of becoming dhobi day kuttay going from one manmat to another. Those idiotic Sikhs building Mosques are the ones who are weakening Sikhi by their actions.

Didn't Guru Hargobind ji made a mosque for Muslims to pray. I'm not saying that we should keep on building mosques. That Muslim man didn't have a place to worship, so this case was an exception. Didn't the government of Dubai granted land to Sikhs to make a Gurudwara? Also, in the Khalsa Raj, everyone will have freedom of religion. Preaching for the purpose of conversion should be banned because these dawah givers slander our religion and try to confuse Sikhs with their anti-Sikh literature.

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

I think the past rehat should be seen in the light of spirituality/temporality concept of Sikhi

Nevertheless, he has a right to say those things.

We cannot even begin to imagine the hardships that were endured by the Khalsa of old. We who have never known that kind of suffering can hardly begrudge them the things they did to survive, or relieve the weight of their circumstances. When you're being chased by head hunters and ekeing out a living in a hostile jungle, it is understandable that practical concerns can supersede spiritual ones.

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

Probably because its full of the ramblings of a man that comes from an alcohol drinking, drug taking, dead animal eating family trying desperately to justify it in the name of religion, in order for him to feel better about himself and family. Religion however, is about sprituality, and only a complete inbecile would claim any of the above things aid sprituality. Thats probably why it was locked.

How do you know that my family is alcoholic, drug consuming and dead animal eating? If you call yourself spiritual then your sarcasm and tone shows your spirituality. And do you think that those thousands of Sikhs in the 17th and 18th century who forfeited their lives for our freedom were not spiritual? And how do you define spirituality? That thread was a discussion of the rehat in the past versus that of the present. It was not about spirituality or what Sikhs should consume or not consume. Scholarly work requires an open mind and removal of cognitive biases and wishful thinking. Thanks for replying anyway. This shows how people select their version of history based on thier major premises. It's also called confirmation bias.

Why was this thread locked www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77789-17th-and-18th-century-rehat-maryada/

Threads were closed after strings of posts by sachkoj making mockery and attacking akj jathabandi. We edited simran/shake thread and made it available to public again. Sachkhoj - given first and final warning.

Why was this thread www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77789-17th-and-18th-century-rehat-maryada/ locked.

The video kiu murgi mare clearly explains that people who wanted to indulge in meat eating and other things will go to great lengths to get some sort of justification to do it.

This bani has been been very badly misinterpreted. Here, Kabir ji is trying to explain the logic behind Animal Sacrifice that if God is already there in the chicken, how can we sacrifice it and offer it to God. This bani doesn't say anything about what type of food should be eaten.

I think some compromises might have been made on the ground during warfare.

That isn't to say that talking bhang etc. was something all or most Sikhs did. Or even that Gurmat condones it.

Also, on another thread on Nihang rehat I made a point that some use of substances may have been self medication i.e. opium is an analgesic and certain non-intoxicating compounds in marijuana have uses beyond getting high (i.e. cancer, MS, some psychological conditions amongst others).

Plus remember, a lot of these writers wrote a fair few decades (if not centuries) after the events. For example Gyani Gyan Singh published the above in 1880, a good 170 odd years after dasmesh pita's earthly passing.

It is incorrect to assume that some compromises were made. If we really wish to analyse history, we should have to first remove wishful thinking and confirmation biases. Otherwise, you will come to the conclusion that what You ALREADY BELIEVE TO BE TRUE is true. There were no compromise made. Sikhs gave in on their lives but not there Keshas. And, what about tobacco which was and is universally banned in Sikhism, However, that doesn't seem to be the case for meat and intoxicants. What about the proud Bhangi Sardars of the Dal Khalsa, nobody can say they were not Sikhs or they were patits because they consumed bhang.

How come Sikh History and Nihang practises contradict Gurbani? I think that's because gurbani is translated too literally. Dante's inferno has four levels of translation of which literal translation is the lowest. Gurbani is deeper than that, how can it be translated literally. And I'm really not sure about the authenticity of 52 hukums attributed to Guru Gobind Singh ji.

oh sorry.. here it is

[Gyani Gyan Singh describing the warriors of

Guru Gobind Singh]

ਸੁੱਖਾ ਫੀਮ ਸ਼ਰਾਬ ਕਬਾਬੈਂ ਛਕੈਂ ਜਿਤਿਕ ਮਨ ਭਾਵੈ ।

[The Singhs would] consume marijuana,

opium, alcohol and kebab's to their hearts

delight.

ਖੇਲੈ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਬਨਨ ਮੈਂ ਮਾਰਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਬਹੁ ਖਾਵੈਂ ।

They would constantly be engaged hunting in

the forest, consuming and killing many deer.

ਘੋੜਨ ਪਰ ਅਸਵਾਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਰਿ ਸਜ ਕੈ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਾਰੇ ।

Riding atop horses, [the Singhs] adorn

themselves fully with weapons.

ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੀ ਪਹਿਨ ਪੁਸ਼ਾਕਾਂ ਕਰੈ ਕੁਵੈਦ ਅਪਾਰੇ ।

In many different ways [they] adorn the dress

[of a warrior], and engage in endless military

exercises.

Naveen Panth Prakash, Poorabaradh Bisraam

62, verse 91.