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Just now, puzzled said:

People were dressed really different in those days 

Also, the sangat population is to be noticed! Compare the sangat count to todays 

Is this a joke lol.

22 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Why not mention plumbers, dentists, lawyers, stockbrokers too?

vaheguru ji ka khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fateh ji

Is being a Lawyer truly sachi kamayi di kirat that a gurmukh can do? I wouldn't think it is sachi..  vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

44 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

Pundit Ji's. Lmao. You mean Sri pundit jis, right?

Yes, I apologize lol.

Yeah, imagine if people did a shraddh ceremony for feeding pandit jis in the langar hall lol, a lot of people would make a huge fuss but when it comes to iftaar, idk why a lot of them dont make a fuss! Its embarrassing.

On 6/15/2018 at 2:59 AM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

Thank you Puzzled and Preet for your a

While on the subject of aerial shots. This Hindu Temple in Tamil Nadu is just so beautiful on so many levels. Perfection personified !

 

 

 

 

 

 

vaheguru ji ka khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fateh ji

No problem, Singh ji! 
The huge Mandir above quoted is a Sri Vaishnav Mandir in Delhi though! Its Sri Akshardham Tirath. I wanted to go there myself, sadly I didnt have enough time while in Delhi. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ki fateh

Sikh Temple in Nepal Desh, notice the Dwarpala Art.

8 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

but why you assume I would give her no proper attention ? I think we're making some presumptions here 

Attention as in intimacy. Immagine how offended shed feel.. say if 3 years later she finds out. Considering she is showing you bad attitude before marriage. Usually girls are at least always nice beforehand, and if she is causing you pain then why go through the trouble. Marriage isnt for everyone. Both of you do not want this, so stop before you disrespect sri anand karaj by getting a divorce or else youd have to give that lekha too. 

8 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

how can I say no now 

the best i can do is to be loyal towards her and both of us becoming amritdhari and dedicating ourselves to spiritual pursuit along with householder life 

If youre not going to, then youre going to feel exactly how you are right now. If you want proof, then just look at your karmic consequences youre facing right now (not of being gay, but the karma out of chalaak sianpan ranjish saazish dokha). Just tell her over the phone. If you are going to be loyal towards her, then why make a topic? This is coming from a girl, we dont want to marry gays, unless specifically stated by a girl. Would you rather have her get a divorce and have a hard time finding a rishta afterwards, or just closing it now? I mean what would you do if you found out your daughters husband was gay, and he gave her no proper attention and she became hurt for the rest of her life? If youre not attracted to girls, they are like your sisters, how can you marry your sister.

Tell her the truth, the world doesnt revolve around you. It is simply unethical, and paapi to keep that a secret from her. You are making your karmas worse by doing a saazish towards her. If you think you will get a life of sukh while ruining someones life, then you are mistaken. This IS ruining her life, she DESERVES love in all aspects, ask her yourself if you dont believe me. Her family has already suffered enough, they dont need another drama. Im sure if you tell them that youre a gay person theyd break the rishta themselves. This truly is kaliyug.

16 minutes ago, TejS said:

My emphasis? You mean Krishna's emphasis on caste?

 Jaat stems from "ajaat", meaning casteless, someone who the Brahmins removed from the caste system due to them not abiding by Hindu practices. Now that same Jaat tribe has become a caste in Sikhism, where it serves the role of a "Brahmin" dictating who can step into a Gurudwara and who cannot. They yield themselves as the saviors, upholders of Sikhism, which is plainly laughable.

The dasyu were enemies, the Aryan obliterated them: http://vedic-age.blogspot.com/2009/11/conflicts-of-aryans.html

Vishnu is what? Nothing but a minor quality of a limitless God, Akal Purakh, who the Hindus have personified into a demigod.

God is the creator of all. “He created air, water, fire, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva” (Guru Granth Sahib, 504).

 “He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, who act according to His Will” (Guru Granth Sahib, 948).

Not sure why you are emphasizing his minor attribute. This is the problem with Hindus, they see through parts, they lack the mental strength to see the whole. Let's not err like them as Sikhs.

I consider it as your emphasis since you believe in it. It would be hard to say what Sri Krishna ji's emphasis is cuz neither of us are him. Thank you for the reference regarding dasyus. Exactly what I thought. He's a Vedic God, and I agree that all forms came from Sri Parabrahman ji. I was emphasizing his attribute since his avatar kept being mentioned.

19 minutes ago, TejS said:

You just called my interpretation "blah blah blah", yet go on to telling me to respect other's views, now that's laughable. I don't know how naive does one have to be to not be able to see that the caste system arose out of racial tension in India. The Vedas were written in Punjab, a purely Indo-Aryan society. When scholarship moved eastwards to Uttar Pradesh, after the fall of the Kuru Kingdom, the Mahabharata and the encompassed Gita was written with new rules drawn to counter the spread of Buddhism such as the incorporation of reincarnation and impose segregation among the racially different people. 

Being respectful is one thing, being ignorant is another. 

A tribe is very different from caste. Not sure why you are equating the two.

And no there's no mention of caste in Rig Veda, because there was no division among the people. Everyone was equal. The only common enemy was the Dasyu, the idol worshippers, which is also another act your beloved Krishna advocates in the Gita going against the Veda, therefore going against the Hindu claim of having an "eternal way".

& your emphasis is fairly respectable right? The vedas were most likely distributed in Punjab region, but they came from Sri Brahma Devta ji. A jaat is a group of people, likewise a tribe/status. Can you give me a reference please, where it says Dasyus were enemies? Dasyus literally mean servant of whomever. Sri Vishnu Devta ji is a Vedic god, his hukam is always Vedic. So what if hindus follow the bhakti route now, they still respect their veda jis. The hare krsna mantra is for them, similar to bhakti jaap. So how is paying respects to their vedic god defying vedism. Just like how our duty is to do naam simran, but we pay our respects to heros of current generation sikhs as well. 

28 minutes ago, TejS said:

 I guess you didn't understand what I found laughable. I wasn't laughing at the avatar himself or that he came later on in the future, I'm laughing at the teaching he departs to people in the Bhagavad Geeta. His emphasis on Arjuna attaining mukti/moksha on the basis of karma yoga, and his karma being the duties of his caste is laughable. It enforces one's caste and goes against the original Rig Veda that has no defined caste system and against Sikhi too. Not to mention that it is inconsistent with warranting reincarnation and demigod worship which is not found within the original Veda and contradicts its teachings.

His emphasis blah blah blah. You know that most of us all have different interpretations of the gita ji or even sri gurbani ji according to our own avastha? So does the veda ji say theres no caste system? Or do they say simply not mention caste? Honestly speaking, I dont believe in the caste system either, but tribes are real. Remember that Sri Vishnu ji IS a vedic god, he is part of their trinity, he IS of importance to them now, HIS hukam is VEDIC hukam. 

2 hours ago, TejS said:

Ram is not the one that's blue/black, instead you're referring to Krishna. Krishna is a god that is not found in the original Hindu text, the Rig Veda, and comes far later and is believed to have been written as a result of appeasing the Dravidian population and bringing them into the "Hindu" fold. This is why I laugh when people claim Hinduism as the Sanatana Dharma, the "eternal way", because there is nothing eternal about it. The whole system of worship has been butchered, reverted to appease so and so. The whole concept of reincarnation, caste, idol worship is completely missing from the Rig Veda, and the text actually looks down upon present-day Hindu worship. 

There was never a lighter skinned influx from Afghan/Persia into South Asia. That is a myth. We are not descended from Afghans or Persians, instead all of us are descended from Indo-European tribes found in the Eurasian steppes who mixed with the Dravidian of India.

Its so obvious that Sri Krishna ji came  in dwapur yuga, and the veda ji is from sat yug. How can it be possible to write about future avatars in the veda jis  when they are before dwapur yug? Its humorous when someone wants to be respected while laughing at others.

10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

that's silly they are not white eurasians  any way you cut it . I believe that original tribes of hindu laity came from middle east because religious beliefs are similar to ancient sumera ,talk of alien aircraft , deities with superpowers

I dont think so! Since Sri Guru Sahib ji as been to sumeru pahari where the spiritual beings are, and so its most likely in south asia. Also Sri Shiva devta ji's own abode Kailash is in South Asia, and from the north/south/east/west there are other spiritual beings living close to it. 

1 hour ago, TejS said:

I'm confused. Isn't gotra and caste the same thing?

All I'm saying is that certain castes like to claim superiority over other castes because they believe they are superior due to their lineage. I've heard certain tribe/caste members say that their tribe were from so and so, invaders from here and there, descended from him or her. And so by showing all Sikh Punjabi caste communities their genetic tests, they'll come to realize that they're the same people genetically and are not different at all, therefore they may think that the farmer, or merchant or carpenter caste individual is below them, but really they aren't in any way.

In fact, I'd also like to mention that Punjabis, Haryanvis, Himachlis, Sindhis, Rajasthanis and even Kashmiris are genetically the same people divided needlessly on language and now religion. We as Sikhs should unite these tribes under Sikhi.

There is no superiority, but the Khatri kuls of our Sri Guru Sahib jis is the highest!!!! Ranks dont even matter, like someone says, there might be caste, but the hierarchy system is wrong. Personally speaking, I can see diffs in the faces of people from my caste, and aroras.. I think Jats are scythian. 

5 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

there is no such thing as caste gentics ...oh vey

 

Maybe I should rephrase the word caste, as tribe lol.

7 hours ago, TejS said:

Because we're specifically trying to eradicate caste within Sikh Punjabis. 

But Punjabi Sikhs are a mixture of different caste communities?? So obviously thered be similarities between those caste genetics? Unless you want them to mention their gotra and caste?

31 minutes ago, TejS said:

Get Sikh Punjabi's to partake in a genetic test or become more aware about them. And I can guarantee, having already seen the results of Jatts, Khatris, Rajputs, Tarkhans, that there is no little to no difference. This will erase any doubts about genetic or familial superiority when they realize they're the same blood and people. And as for the Dalit populations, well they are the original inhabitants of Punjab, and therefore we all have a substantial amount of Dalit "in all of us" as evidenced by the "South Indian" and "Baloch" component we share with them, so there is that. Anyways, I don't think genetic tests should warrant how we treat someone or not, but it helps in bringing us closer through logic.

Here's some results for those who are interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mTH_BnLv9riKKwHeNpjFmu7flT6_ekTuYij0juxnjb4/edit#gid=1369294505

To break it down, I'll explain the major components:

South Indian - pretty obvious (this is found in Dalits/Chamaars in heavy percentages - approx. 60%).

Baloch - this is not named after the Balochi people, however a Gedrosian component that came to South Asia from Iran during the Indus Valley, it's also referred to as Iranian Neolithic Farmer.

Caucasian - this is from the Caucasus, believed to have been passed on to us from the Aryans.

NE Euro - this is not from the British, but has also been passed on to us from the Aryans who mixed with populations living in the Eurasian steppes.

Sikh Punjabi? Why not just say Punjabis in general lol, religion isnt a genetic. 

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

having pictures of hindu idols is a worrying trend not something to be proud of , we are sikhs first and foremost and our one focus and loyalty is to Guru ji /Akal Purakh. I'm friends with Christians buddhists, hindus and muslims but I haven't got crosses, icons, murtis, buddha statues or a picture of Kaa'ba in my home does that make me less of a friend?

I think theyre just attached to their aboriginal Gods. They dont have abrahamic videshi symbols in their homes, but the ones of their ancestors.. If that makes sense? Even ancestor worship is extremely popular there. You should see the ketth areas, some have massive ancestor temples and some just have small ones. Its not that theyve accepted hindu dharam, its that theyve never let it go fully.

22 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

A brief glance at the current social media landscape as it relates to Sikhs (I don't own a smartphone, but my mum's phone is always lying around, lol) shows that the dastaar is making a comeback as a visible symbol. Granted, I suspect it's more a cultural expression of pride in Punjabi identity than anything rooted in religious sentiment, but i believe it's a good sign going forward. 

I feel like theyre badnaming us in a way. I have a bhaiya aunty from andhra pradesh that was surprised when she found out my entire family is vegetarian + alcohol free.. Since outsiders have the bollywood/music perception about Punjabi songs showing off how they like sharab. Theyre making sardars look odd when they wear a turban and sing weird songs. I mean has anyone ever seen someone other dharmic swarups singing stupid songs? No!

I think that means 'Baa', Ive written a post about it before, Ill quote it here:

"vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh I dont know what baa is called in english, but in doabi bhasha its called baa.. Its side effects are: numb arms+legs/balance problems/head pain/drool/breathing problems/& more.. The way to 'fix' it is to eat a spoon of kali mirch, and the way you know you have baa is if the kali mirch doesnt taste spicy.. I think I heard this sickness starts if we eat too many sweet things, and not enough hot things (hot as in it causes heat, garam like coconuts, kali mirch, ginger, grapes).. So maybe when we eat the kali mirch it burns away the bad element. Be careful when eating the kali mirch though! Make sure to not get it into the lungs. Please forgive me for any mistakes vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh"

37 minutes ago, puzzled said:

vaheguru ji ka khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fateh

Im from Doaba too, Nawanshahr. Doaba is overwhelmingly Hindu so that's probably the reason behind the Hindu influence on the Sikhs in Doaba. But at the same time i have come across many Hindus in Doaba who do paath and go gurdwara. My nanke in India are family friends with this Arora family and they always keep paath at their house before any big event, also the lady who works for my nanke is also a hindu from a arora family and she told me she does japji sahib in the morning, her son recently went to Hazur Sahib too. so many People in Punjab are close to Sikhi but we have corrupt leaders who are just not letting it blossom    

Same here. My pind is near Banga city lol. I was surprised because most Punjabi city areas are hindu, but the rural population there in doaba is also majority hindu. & yeah, its not surprising that hindus follow Sri guru sahib ji in punjab! When I went to malwa region, I probably only saw like 3 mandirs there, while in doaba a lot of pinds have mandirs & have god images on the pind gates. Someone said that theres probably more hindus in the world that visit gurdwara jis (which kinda makes sense cuz hindu population is big). I mean if the average hindus who adore our sri guru sahib jis hear some of these hinduphobes, it wouldnt feel really good hanna! 

59 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Most Sikhs have got nothing against Hindus! us Sikhs and Hindus have had a beautiful brotherly relationship throughout the centuries. Yes there have been a few Hindus in history who have betrayed us, but that was mostly out of greed, like the hill rajas who sided with the mughals or gangu etc these Hindus did what they did for extra £££  and a pat on the back from their Mughal masters. The mass common Hindus have remained kind to us. In fact Sikhs and Hindus have been more close than any other two religions ever have. If there is one religion which has never threatened Hindus then that is Sikhs. Mughal muslims and the Christian British Empire tried to completely destroy Hindus and Hindu culture, the Sikh empire on the other hand embraced Hindus and gave them high ranking positions but then obviously power and greed got to their heads and they betrayed Sikhs for a bit of cash and land.  

Lets not confuse corrupt politicians and extremist Hindu parties with you're common Hindu. Remember Jagdish tytler is actually a christian not a hindu. 

vaheguru ji ka khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fateh, ji

Even some self proclaimed 'Sikh' politicians have betrayed us for money, its really odd. Im from doab, and nobody is hinduphobic there. Almost every Sikh home I visited in doab had a picture of Sri Krishna ji or Sri Sherawali ji, so that says a lot about the relations. Likewise, Ive never met or heard of ANY Punjabi hindu in my life who doesnt admire our Sri Guru Sahib jis  vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh