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  1. hmm

    OK from english observations and actually identifiable sikh bibian they wear jooda at dasam dwaar as taught by Guru ji (hukamnama says not wear plaits or open hair, to keep hair covered). Whereas the dancing girls and the ones in the cart wearing their hair similarly like traditional hindu women (compare against southern indian hair fashions with guth and flower adornments)


  2. 31 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

    What about the ppl doing paleo and carnivore diet? Theyve had massive benefits. 

    And they support grass grazed cs corn fed, free roaming and sometimes wild meat. 

    Ofc wild meat is impossible for so many ppl. But what about free roaming? There is land in many places that is not suitable for farming but is good for grazing. 

    Even that might not be enough. But it must be said, that meat is better for ur body. It has the form of nutrients that are easily digestible by our body such as heme iron vs non heme iron. 

    But i dont know the effect of meat on our mind. Its probably too tamma gunn. 

     

    try doing wider research the so-called benefits of the carnivore /paleo diets are temporary states and it is not sustainable for the planet's current population you would need 16 planet earths to support that number of animals .

    Free roaming ? in India that would be what ,  cattle only , because usually goats and sheep belong to nomadic people even in cities situations .

    Heme iron is poisonous as it elevates the iron levels too much and increases risks of heart attack and strokes . From plants the body takes what it needs only


  3. 21 hours ago, puzzled said:

    yh thats what i mean, the reform movements happened because of everything that was happening back then. but in the process some leaders kinda became anti bhaman and removed anything which reminded them of bhamans like lighting  jot.

    arya samaj, rss, used hindu dharam as a political thing at that time, muslims in the cities started clashing with hindus, british missionaries started converting hindus etc   so things like arya samaj and rss used their dharam as a political tool to tackle what they saw as a threat to their dharam,  this is when they started calling Guru Gobind Singh ji a desh bhakt    i think they thought by making sikhi a sect of hindu it will give hindu demography a boost in punjab.    on top of that the massands.  so reform movements like singh sabha did what they had to do. but in the process they put aside dasam bani and did other things.  

    not much changed in pinds tho, people light jot in the gurdware to this day and some have things like shankh as well as nagara. people still use things like pang and afeem for desi treatment in pinds while urban sikhs in those days started turning their noses up to these things.   it was how urban lot practiced sikhi that was reformed the most. 

    There is still jot in Gurdwara Ber Sahib and I think in most gurdwarey I've been , My Nani used to do jot as well in House Gurdwara  never seen people saying this is hindu mat . Even Nani ji would keep jaal da kumbh next to akhand path , later I read that this is old school mat.


  4. 5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

    What law? 

    Who made this law? 

    Okay, certain people manipulated existing foreign laws to gain certain legal advantages in diaspora communities, but to genuinely believe in that crap is ridiculous. 

    No Sikhs are not a 'race'. In time, the process of a broadening of racial backgrounds in the community (that has already started) will accelerate. Confining ourselves to narrow 'racial' ideologies is straight mental, and goes against everything Sikhi is. Look at the backgrounds of the panj piaray to open your minds and see things for what they are. 

     

    Only in Canada would we get silly ideas like this. 

    the race relations act in UK protects the jews and sikhs as races ... and the definiton I gave is the one in the new US census .
    Sikhs are one race as Guru ji defined us , one varna , one race - human  chill dude.


  5. 4 hours ago, puzzled said:

    my cousin took by the back of a "modern restaurant"  and massive bulks of meat i think it was sheep and goats were hanging out in the open behind the restaurant with swarms of around flys all over it. 

    my thia took me to a chicken farm where they are being raised to slaughter and there were 100s all cramped in small places. Most the chickens in cages ready to kill are loosing their feathers and look like they have disease.  

    men pissing out in the open is also common sight in the urban areas.   luckily none of this has started happening in the pinds yet 

    chickens look the same in american factory farms too but a lot fatter due to antibiotic abuse , Factory farms are just superbug factories


  6. 58 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

    Cancer isn’t one single disease - there are lots of different types

    i doubt they will be able to cure it anyway .

    those who have cured it or found highly effective cures for specific types have been hounded , raided , had their offices /practices shut down, even been put in prison under false charges , if not murdered  or chased out of the country . 'when healing becomes a crime' excellent reading also can watch documentaries about Dr Burzynski and his experiences  on YT. Isn't strange that the top AIDS scientists and doctors who were heading to a conference to discuss latest successful treatments which were succeeding were on the airplane that 'went down' over the Indian/pacific ocean


  7. 50 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

     

     

     

    This is one of the stupidest posts that I have seen on here. Sikhi is not restricted to one ethnic group.

    The privilege that you think you are entitled to, just because 150 years ago or whatever someone in your family was amritdhari, is disgusting.

     

    At the end of the day, you have a haircut, so whatever you think or say is meaningless. Through your actions you have renounced the Sikh religion.

    You can identify as whatever you want, but at the the end  of the day, you are just another stupid Punjabi jatt (who makes me embarrassed to be jatt)

    according to the law a race can be defined as a group of people who either have a shared religion/scripture/culture/script/language  or live in a specific geographical or originated from said region , sikhs qualify as a race under both(either or both) regardless of skin colour or ethnicity , so please do not be hateful towards each other , converts share our sikh culture  and faith , the punjabi also share our geography and language (hopefully if they still speak it)


  8. 1 hour ago, puzzled said:

    yh thats what i mean, the reform movements happened because of everything that was happening back then. but in the process some leaders kinda became anti bhaman and removed anything which reminded them of bhamans like lighting  jot.

    arya samaj, rss, used hindu dharam as a political thing at that time, muslims in the cities started clashing with hindus, british missionaries started converting hindus etc   so things like arya samaj and rss used their dharam as a political tool to tackle what they saw as a threat to their dharam,  this is when they started calling Guru Gobind Singh ji a desh bhakt    i think they thought by making sikhi a sect of hindu it will give hindu demography a boost in punjab.    on top of that the massands.  so reform movements like singh sabha did what they had to do. but in the process they put aside dasam bani and did other things.  

    not much changed in pinds tho, people light jot in the gurdware to this day and some have things like shankh as well as nagara. people still use things like pang and afeem for desi treatment in pinds while urban sikhs in those days started turning their noses up to these things.   it was how urban lot practiced sikhi that was reformed the most. 

    delhi sikhs are idiots they are now asking sirsa to demand Chandni Chowk to shaheedi Chowk , I said to them the only reason people remember Chandi Chowk is through the Mahan Shahadat of gursikhs and Guru Sahib , they are too dense to realise that removing the name is also removing the marker of the history .


  9. 12 hours ago, puzzled said:

    Yh that annoyed me when I saw it at the fort at anandpur sahib. Why would a 17th century fort have a khanda on it lol.

    I think older generation wouldn't be happy with a lot of puratan stuff. Sikh leaders in the last century almost became bhramin phobic and any practise or tradition which remotely reminded them of hinduism they wiped it out.  Its one of the reasons why dasam bani got shoved to the side. 

    Just like how the post that I posted about mansha singh, about him lighting jot at harmandir sahib and then sikhs questioning it because it's a bhaman practise. 

    The war banners of the khalsa army during majaraja ranjit singhs time used to have kali mata and other war goddesses on it, imagine bringing that back today! It would cause a riot lmao. 

    Couple of years back old wall paintings at tarn taran darbar sahib of hindu mythology were whitewashed and painted over with sikh ithiaasic scenes. 

    My told me that in the local gurdwara when she was a kid they used to have a shankh shell in the gurdwara. 

    These images were symbols of war, nothing more. 

    Not that your average sikh cared, but leaders didnt want sikhi to be seen as a sect of hindu dharam  which is understandable especially with all the events in the first half of the last century. 

    Theres even a sikh flag from maharaja ranjit singhs time with hanuman on it.

    But younger people are less "insecure" about these things.  

    at that time ALL gurdwaraey used jot for lighting   , some punjabis are so dense ... It is more important to have nagara than shank anyhow . Brahmins did their utmost to reinstate their prejudical treatment of folks when they became willing MAHANTS under British raj   and also brought murtian of devtey (the ones that were brought into harmandir Sahib ended up in durgiana mandir I heard .) That is why Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh did morcha against the people running harmandir sahib preventing 'low caste ' sikhs from getting degh or giving degh for blessing. then you had Saka Nankana sahib and saka Guru ka Bagh .  They've been trying since time of Guru Nanak Dev ji to subvert our panth.

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  10. 3 hours ago, puzzled said:

    I never understood the glorification of architecture built by invaders in india. Why would a nation glorify buildings built by the very people who made you into slaves for 900 years. 

    India has this strange love and hate relationship with the mughals. They love to romanticize them in their movies and art but then they hate them.

    The biggest example being the qutub minar.  The qutub minar is made up of demolished hindu and jain mandirs, yet the qutub minar is Delhi's most iconic building.  

    They are beautiful buildings, no need to demolish them, art is to be appreciated,  but no need to romanticize them. 

    Shah jahan love story is fake because he married more women after mamtaz died, if he loved her so much why he marry more women!

    The mughal monuments were built to keep the emperors immortal, so that they could live on forever. The grandness of the buildings was to make their memory grand and powerful for the future generations, the size of the tombs was to reflect the might and power of the emperors. Shahjahan had even planned a black Taj for himself on the other side of the yamuna river. 

    didn't the brahmins enslave the mulnivasis too and use their labour to build their temples too? this is the way of the world . The architecture was  not particular to the turks but actually adopted by them from the nation of Persia so what you see in Punjab's reaction  is just an appreciation of the artwork and skill of the kaligars  but shared history of trade . 

    Shah Jahan married Mumtaz's sister , Mumtaz died in childbirth 14th I think  she  was his second wife anyhow.


  11. 4 hours ago, puzzled said:

    Moat this stuff is created by man. Swine flu was created by man and the way they run pig farms. And then they blame tge pigs. 

    Same with HIV/aids   they created that with their dodgy experiments gone wrong. 

    Cancer makes them billions of pounds a year so they wont give the cure away, they already know the cure  but it's become a business for them. 

     

    hiv aids was a zoonotic virus from green monkeys' kidneys used to incubate vaccine antibodies for the polio vaccines  this is an issue which was known by Dr Salk but he helped covered over the fact of contaminated batches, the ame process carried on , so there was a whole generation exposed to this danger .


  12. On 4/26/2019 at 9:24 PM, BhForce said:

    I agree with the first part of your statement. Basically, you should not do anything before you are married that you would not want your wife/husband doing if you were married.

    The second part (in parentheses) is quite strange. Marriage is consent to be sexual with one another.

    "only when both parties consent"? 

    Are you seriously stating that you should approach or behave towards your wife like you would with some random woman that you were not married to?

    If you go to, whatever, a store, a library, a conference, a workplace, you would obviously not touch a woman in any way. You would only talk with her, and that too, only if required.

    You would never walk up behind her, caress her shoulder and say "Hey, how's it going?"

    Are you really honestly saying that you want to require Sikh (or even non-Sikh) men to get "consent" before hugging, touching, fondling, or caressing their wives?

    What a great marriage that'll be.

    What would that be like? "Hello human that I have agreed to live with. Do I have you consent to place my hand on the small of your back?"

    "Please sign and date here. I'll need a copy of your driver's license and NH #. And do go to the Notary Public's to have the agreement notarized."

    If you are a male, it's quite sorry you've bought into "male feminism". Are you married? And is that how you think marriage works?

    If you are a female, I have to question why you think any man would ever want to marry you, if even after committing to caring for you until you die, he still would have no more ability to be sexual with you than any other female in the entire country.

    initially a couple are essentially strangers so no it is not wrong to ask permission , you wouldn't want your sister to be treated as if her consent is not required would you, else where's the difference between us and the abrahamics and others? If Guru Teg Bahadur ji told his child to cultivate love for his wife do you think constituted not getting to know her as a person first? building trust and care is prior to anything else. Wives and husbands deserve respect and care, they are not belongings


  13. On 12/4/2017 at 7:56 PM, Kira said:

    IF they are giving him advice then its fine to tell others the Advice, Sant Harnam Singh Ji did, So did Bhai Rama Singh Ji. I wont lie though, iv never heard of someone channelling them. They're not like Spirits as they are all powerful and capable of manifesting completely if they wish. 

    a shaheed singh would respect niam of Akal Purakh and NOT invade another's Nijj Ghar , I doubt seriously that things are what they seem.


  14. 1 hour ago, puzzled said:

    So what does this mean then ? I dont get it 

    they let out the virus to infect people , then announce they have discovered the magic bullet but it comes at a price which panicked people will force the hand of governments to shell out . The people most likely to die are those who are low in antioxidants in their bodies similar to Measles being a vitamin A depleting disease , so the aged, children on junk food diets , poor people  i.e. thinning out the herd . Then the vaccine technology ha been perfected to cause autoimmune attack on the gonads (testes and ovaries) which leads to abortion of current pregnancies and permanent sterilization of the fertile generations


  15. 1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

    Is it just me or don't you find it a little insidious how they waited to establish a base of operations, by purchasing that building in Coventry, before they kicked into second gear and amped up the subversion to the next level? It's almost as if that was the plan all along. Gain a following by travelling up and down the country like modern day minstrels; ensnare clueless Sikhs with melodious tunes and surface appeal, then eventually the mask is allowed to slip - because they don't really care about keeping up the pretense - and they can now carry out what they always intended. There's a definite plan there if you stand back and break it down.

    it is the model that worked for the Yogi bhajans and Bikrams of the past decades , start building a following under the radar, build own real estate base, mint it whilst ensnaring more on past fake 'humble' performances , then once secure start doing what you want to do , whether sexual abuse of groupies , fraud operations whilst pulling in daswand from local and foreign sangat .

    These fake people are monetising on the pure sikhi of Sant Isher Singh ji and other mahapurakh  and I would hate to be in their boots when they have to answer for it in front of Dharamraj

    p.s. isn't it what Ranjit did himself , building his own dera and sewadar band for langar , kirtan everything, so essntially a closed shop . Those who are above board gursikhs never meet with single folks especially bibian , only refer to Guru ji's mat for solutions and suggest doing your own ardas after doing sewa with own hands or simran of gurbani, rather than demanding paise/donation for ardas .


  16. 3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

    They're a virus that has been allowed to spread due to Sikh ignorance of their own religion and beliefs. If only people knew the contempt with which Dhadhri and his ancillaries are held by genuinely spiritual and decent Sikhs, those of the sangat who've been deceived but are ultimately decent people seeking spiritual guidance, would turn from these charlatans immediately. NKJ are digging themselves into a very deep hole from which they will not escape. 

    they have given the world proof positive that they do not believe in Guru Sahiban's bachan therefore they ARE NOT SIKH in word, thought or action.

    As Bhai Raghbir Singh Bir explains this is the nishana of a sikh:

     


  17. 5 hours ago, Guest Jack said:

    Hello. I'm a white guy, born and raised in the USA, baptized and confirmed Catholic, however I never really could accept what Catholicism/Christianity teaches. I always felt like I was reaching for something "out there" to understand know God. I've read about/researched other faiths, such as Wicca, Islam, Hinduism, other secs of Christianity, and for a while I studied Buddhism. But again, these always left me wanting more. They spoke about God, "The Divine", creator, etc, but they always spoke of different ways to identify with God, spoke about all these rituals to get closer to God, but those things feel inadequate to me. Reading the Guru Granth Sahib pulls something deep inside of me. At least, for me, it explains God in terms that I'm able to understand and connect with, and Sikhism, from what I've read, shares the same moral/ethical/world views that I do.

    My only worry/concern is appropriating the culture of Sikhs. While I very much admire the ten Gurus and the immense struggle they and the people who lived during there time (and of course the struggle that Sikhs, and black/brown people and other people of color, still go through today), I will never be able to identify with that struggle because of my racial position in life, which I accept, but does that mean I'm not able to follow the words of the Gurus? I'm a solitary person, so I don't think I would go to Gurdwara, and I don't think I would ever be baptized/ take the 5 K's. I enjoy being a lay person, appreciating what the Guru Granth Sahib says, and experiencing/knowing God. I just want to have a relationship with God, and I know that means more than just reading from the Guru Granth Sahib, and I'm hoping with time I'll be able to do more with my faith.

    I guess I'm posting this to get an idea if there's any white people on this forum who are Sikh, or if any black/brown or other people of color on here have had experiences with white people in the Gurdwara and if those experiences were satisfactory or cringe worthy?

    bro,

    sikhs come from all kinds of backgrounds these days and all  hues, nations  you will not ever hear a sikh criticise you wanting to learn or become closer to Guru ji/Akal Purakh/ Waheguru/ G-D . You would be a true sehajdhari , slow adopter as you are coming from a different background . When I had amrit as a kid a young sikh couple sikh man and his white wife came to be baptised also and everyone was accepting of them The way sikhs are taught to feel about the world is that we are all one family , brothers and sisters under Waheguru ji's care . Yes there will be the occasional buffoons who think they know better but I'm sure you can ignore their comments , take the journey slow , watch Basics of Sikhi YT channel  especially the series on Japji Sahib as that is the core precis of the sikh path , the steps to know and experience Waheguru . Good luck and enjoy

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  18. On 2/14/2020 at 2:01 PM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

    How's that for a thread title then ?  Got your attention though didn't it ?

    OK....here goes. Those of you who know my history on this forum already know what I think of meat and meat-eaters generally so lets just be clear none of what I'm about to say below relates in any way whatsoever with my anti-meat views. What I'm about to say is FAR more important than that. I want those of you reading this, with any influence, to use that influence and make serious changes in Punjab.....before a killer virus really does start killing people there.

    Go to any small town or big town in Punjab and what do you see ?   You see unregulated meat shops killing, skinning and then cutting animals out in the open with a jalebi shop next door and a stall selling samosas on the other side, in front of the butcher's shop there are a stray dogs waiting for scraps and there are people passing by everywhere. 

    Recognise these conditions ?

    You should because these are exactly the same wet market conditions from where the coronavirus started in Wuhan, China. The conditions in Punjab are all that this virus and any future killer virus needs - people, food, dead animals and live animals all close to each other in tight spaces, i.e. the typical Punjab town. This virus (coronovirus) and the virus that will come, are Zoonotic virus, i.e. they jump from animals to humans. If people really want to eat meat in Punjab then it should be regulated and sold in refigerated, seperate and closed-off shops. Every single out-in-the-street butcher in Punjab needs to be shut down right now. These butchers in Punjab skin the animal right there in front of the customer and passers-by. This airosoolises everything around it. That's ground zero of your virus in Punjab right there.

    Image result for jandiala meat shop

    wuhan is a manmade virus  as is african swine flu  , both of which already have patented vaccines ... You are more likely to die of cancer from the water and tainted food crops, a bullet from a baraati, road accident  first before a so called zoonotic virus  in Punjab.

     

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  19. On 2/9/2020 at 3:22 PM, dallysingh101 said:

    This doesn't sound like a healthy father and son relationship to me. Sounds like a lot of overbearing, over parenting is going on, which the child resents. 

    Or the son could a be a real ish and the parents are trying to keep a lid on his kartoots so others do not suffer , sounds like he's the eldest given the tone of the situation . He sounds entitled and spoilt , the father needs to interject when this kid shouts at his Missus , that is his life partner getting ragged on . Yes kids are a challenge but you still have to set boundaries even now , he has a very small mental age and is acting like a sulky teenager . First refuse to talk about his coupledom until he proves himself as a responsible adult by earning and making a proper future for himself . Perhaps seeing exactly how hard life is to set up and maintain  it may cool his heels and the stress of having to look after someone other than himself may make him think twice if he is ready .


  20. and the musley are laughing all the way to the bank whilst we facepalm at the sikhi devoid zone Punjab has become ....fitte muh

    vase apne loki kehnde koi galat ja chori di kam karde ne oh raat di haneri istmaal karda ne . (Amritvela different aa)

    Interesting how baraat was turned into an excuse for party prior to the Anand Karaj opposite to most people.

    Waheguru bless this couple with gurmat instead of the current fathoord

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