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  1. 2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    They're only a few miles from a masjid. 

    It would be better to help them organize themselves into a seperate space. 

    Only in the harshest of crazy circumstances would this be appropriate. 

    I don't think the line about Allah they read is out of line, so much as it's clearly against Rehit. 

    We don't let anyone do anything except Aikido, in line with our policies in the Dojo. Only the rare visiting revered cultural artist and the taiko drummers have been welcome. No other Budo even, let alone another heritage of system entirely. 

    We have had a few meditation types presented, studied with mentalists and psychologists though. 

    the only cases where this was appropriate was muslim bibiaan being banned from masjid and they asked if they could come to gurdwara (on the way to masjid) then the granthi offered if you want to pray the way you know you can do that in this other part of the building . The other was the masjid was literally underwater.

    Muslims know that they are offending us if they do their namaz in hazoori , that's why when they came to Amritsar to thank sikhs for helping the Kashmiri kids get home they prayed on road outside not inside parikarma

  2. 3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    The question then his how do we snuff out these "liberals" and marginalise them in our quam.

    They are the enemy within. 

    I don't think they can be reasoned without being called a "bigot" , "misogynist ", "islamophobe "

    This "liberalism " is like a religion of it's own.

    Because all this is going to do is give away to tyranny and authoritanism

     

     

    parchaar of Dasmesh Pita ji's bani, solid rememberance of shaheeds (maybe even bring out shaheedi calendar as Sant ji and other gursikhs have pointed out is if we commerated our shaheeds we would remember everyday365 days a year, and not in the abstract way but in detail by giving saka of shaheed and bio profile) close the distance between our grasp of our own history under the four regimes and understanding current affairs of sikhs . Issuing of rehitname regarding our asthaans and how we are meant to respect others but only have faith in sikhi and its way. Maharaj di darbar , his will is followed and that it is not right to usurp his will on any point of maryada of dharamshaley.

    Liberals can find their own non gurdwara/dharamshala venues to do their manmat , I am sure that if they had to shell out from the donations they collect the sikh supporters will be up in arms , it is because it is hidden expenditure of sikh daswand people are lulled into a false sense of innocuousness. 

    Highlighting cases of attempts of grooming /abduction from nagar kirtans, vaisakhi melas etc would get the parents of daughters worried enough to object to such fake programs . Pointing out iftar in GUrdwarey in muslim lands is a recent and forced thing .

     

     

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  3. 48 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    That depends on if you view Kakkars as literal body parts, or as external objects that we put on. 

    well you have seperate rehit for losing kesh than you do for others

    if lose contact with others you can do ardas after reinstating and carry on

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    if you lose your kesh by whatever external cause or own will you become a patit and nonsikh until you go before the panj for pesh and tankah

    kesh therefore is a higher status than the others.

     

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  4. 2 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    6 Kakkars?

    think about it ,all the others are added in service of the sikh's rehit , Akal Purakh sends us with Kesh as part of our Bodies  we just have to refrain from going against hukham .

    kirpaan- to defend self and others

    kacchera - to maintain decency and chastity

    kanga- to do sewa of kesh

    kara - self defence and reminder of duty to Guru ji

    keshki can be considered the fifth kakkar as it maintains head covering and keeps kanga and kesh clean , signposts your faith, nimrata

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  5. 55 minutes ago, intrigued said:

    Probably to trick others into conversion

    If I believe the words of a western experimenter of faiths (he tried being a member of each faith for a month) it is the instant respect and reverence the dastar gives to a person . He said in his blog that he went from invisible joe bloggs to a smiled at , admired and accepted sardar .  It is this respect blessed on us by Guru ji they cannot let go , they neither deserve it  nor earn it  by their daily actions .

    I really want sikhs to demand that the police, the army, the navy to ban dastars on any officer who even cuts a single hair on their body , that will put paid to the malignment of our people through pictures of such butchers who attack our own gursikhs and the poor .

    Yes all these converts if they have true conviction should aim to look like their messiah and actively change their names by depoll

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  6. On 12/5/2019 at 6:33 AM, BhForce said:

    Agreed. It's pointless to say, "well 10 were needed because they were doing different stuff." 

    I mean, it's OK for us, since we can see that our Gurus did do varying things. But that's not the question the atheist is asking him. The atheist is wondering why in the world there needed to be 10 in the first place.

    The better answer is: Why not? I'm mean, if you don't believe in God, fine. But if God does exist, why does it matter if he deputed 1 Guru or 3 or 10?

    I would say as Sant Singh Maskeen has explained , the stubbornness of mankind to get ready to hear the message and act on it needed time and time destroys all impermanent things including the human body , the bodies changed but the same  jot and message was taken through the centuries and into the future with Aad Jugad Satguru Granth Sahib ji

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  7. 3 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

    Having a centralized team, or smaller localized teams, behind the scenes verifying accounts and corresponding directly would really set this service apart. Perhaps a prototype could be launched using this site by creating a matrimonial section? Have anonymous postings with a verification vichola that connects the matches? Just brainstorming.

    main concern of our gursikhs is the character or nature of the family and the prospectives , in the old system in Punjab people of each pind knew the families and thus could verify truth of claimed nature /sikhi in the prospectives family and themselves so the vichola would approach his/her counterpart in that village to ask . Maybe the anonymous vichola could play similar part as often parents may be straight arrows but their son/daughters dodgy or vice versa . I mean peer group would know better a person's behaviour as illustrated by previous discussions

    This would be handy for divorced innocents as a character referral system as often bibian are blamed for what was the guy's bad behaviour and vice versa if they are supported by local sangat  then prospectives would have a level of confidence that they are worth looking at

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  8. On 4/13/2020 at 12:48 PM, Premi5 said:

    Anyone read these books

     

    Sicques, Tigers, or Thieves: Eyewitness Accounts of the Sikhs (1606-1809): Eyewitness Accounts of the Sikhs (1606-1810)

    Confessions of an American Sikh: Locked Up in India, Corrupt Cops and My Escape from a New Age ...

     

    Love & Courage: My Story of Family, Resilience, and Overcoming the Unexpected - Singh, Jagmeet

    read Gurusant's book quite a few years ago and he was witness to the Yogi ji offering to give service in killing Sant ji . and also the very telling line that 1984 was a brown sikh problem not a white sikh one according to Yogi ji.

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  9. 4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

    I think women geerally behave in an imitative manner whereas men err towards an innovative mindset. Outliers are obviously a reality in both cases but not the norm. If the Singh signals his dedication to his beliefs and his desire to see out his life according to those same beliefs, a Singhni who has no desire to create waves will recognise, admire, and quietly step in-line with her man. If the Singh, however, conveys a scattered, disorganised, or lax attitude to the important things, then his woman will also begin to convey a degree of similar behaviour. All this is only relevant IF both parties are on the same page, i.e. both parties wish to remain married (as opposed to one of them seeking a way out). Of course, we've all heard of instances where an NRI Punjabi guy prone to indulging in partying and drinking culture, etc., got married to a girl from the pind, and through a certain form of positive nagging she made him relinquish his destructive habits. Those women are rare. Nowadays, there's no desire to mould a diamond in the rough, lol. Not that they should, tbf, men should behave like men, not overgrown kids.

    don't know if I can agree totally with the female bashing here , I have known many bibian who were more devout than their men and their attitude and bhagti lead to Guru ji opening up their mens eyes to sikhi and amrit jeevan. The problem is now bibian can choose to remove themselves from destructive unsikh households (frankly what the H did the parents do , by not making sure it was a good household??) because the previous stigma of divorce is considered much less and sufferable than not being able to live their life in a sikh way.

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  10. 4 hours ago, S1ngh said:

    Many great responses above ^^ 

    It is in waheguru jees hand whether the marriage will prosper or fail. Compatibility between two is also depends on how they think of each other and outside influence does not have any play in it. How they grew from age 1 to 20+ is the time that will decide rest of their life course. 

    Does jewish community has something like this as they are also scattered around the globe? In this age, we should have a system which is managed 24/7 by a team of professionals rather than just money making scheme or uploading a dating script and let it run. I like it to be non-profit with strong privacy controls ; like visitors cannot see the image unless they register. Registration will go thru vetting process by professionals manually reaching out to them etc etc. Inactive/dormant profiles gets deleted etc. 

    I am willing to donate my money for such project but i believe that such project requires a strong team with same type of thinking. What do you guys think?

    jewish people have matchmakers both in orthodox and liberal circles but of course these days they have loads of 'love' marriages . Most are run ith some sort of kickback either in terms of higher reputation/respect or money.

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  11. 6 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

    I think calling her acting skill's phenomenal is stretching it a bit really, she's hardly a Helen Mirren now is she, anyway, i digress, she has something that's more powerful than political power, she has a blind following of what's left of her social media platforms and they eat up all the right wing nonsense she spouts.

    she doesn't act, she strips down (even in the biopic she did item piece) , she doesn't speak dialogues like a natural human ,she does histronics melodramitcally , Bollywood is a cesspool of kanj4rp4na. She needs education since she not even 10th standard pass in education because she ran away from home , it shows . She doesn't deserve a padma shri  unless Modi is rewarding her for services rendered .

     

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  12. 2 hours ago, S1ngh said:

    3 or 4 generations back, all of our folks were amritdharis. 

    true that's what I meant being patit was the biggest taboo , all the photos taken by gorey from mid 1800s to 1920s showed all sikhs with heads covered , men and boys with dastars and bibian with chunnis , shawl, bagh etc

    first major change of amrit sanskar was the universal wearing of dastar after amrit of abhilakhees at Akal Takht the 'temporary ' relaxation of requirement for bibian was done by Gurmukh Singh 'musafir'     hile he was jathedar . My Mum said she remembers bibian from pind when she was little wearing small dastars . (remember this is before AKJ was established)

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  13. 42 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    I don’t think Amrit was given easily back then, it’s easier for people to take Amrit now, so if it was harder back then, and our population is around 10% of Sikhs at max, it’s likely back then it was closer to 5%. Udasis and Nirmalas were also more prominent back then.

    Bhai Sahib all manjis were authorised to administer charan pahul to new sikhs and later other gursewaks/gurparcharaks including nihang dals administered pahul... I think that the British interference has created the wrong impression , what made amrit sanchar difficult was loss of gurdwara control and hunting down of akalis and antisikh laws by British .

  14. 52 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

    By definition, can a Gurdwara be without a Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji ?

    yes you can have a gurdwara without Guru Granth Sahib ji as existed before where Shastar were placeholder for Guruji/Akal Purakh in Darbar , but back then Gursikhs were super educated in dharam granths and many had Gurbani Kant including whole of Guru Granth Sahib . So Guru Panth were the literal bodies in which Guru ji Resided

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