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usually as a kid I would ask them what prayer Jesus taught them in his lifetime and they will always say the lord's prayer , next I say OK so what were his exact words ? OUR Father who art in Heaven' OK but why did he pray to God if you say Christians should pray 'through' Jesus, surely then he would have started with 'MY Father ... and he would have said forgive THEM their trepasses rather than OUR trespasses ... Truth is Jesus never once in his life asked people to take his name to pray to ...I think you need to think about what he actually did and said before dying before worrying about me I understand who He was Praying to maybe you should too.... usually didn't get a comeback after that , too busy thinking I guess. Muslims same 'you don't believe in the one true God! ....really brother who do you think I pray to if I pray to the formless timeless One who preceding everything?' Err Ok But you don't believe in the prophet 'I believe in the One who created everyone and thing that is enough for me to know, have a good nimaz brother'

beauty is in the eye of the beholder? anyways the price for Chandigarh is to annex punjab state further ? too high even if the buildings were made with diamonds and gold ... let's move for Amritsar as capital and tell Centre to stick that longowal-rajiv accord where the sun don't shine

I am so glad that the village fought to get back the chola sahib from SGPC, They definitely did the right thing in not trusting them .

Veer ji , let them learn about us no problem ...we should learn too and teach our families.

jevoh's witness get given a textbook to study on all other faiths and how approach i know i got shown it by a jehovah's witness guy , he was in training and said something about sikhi so i just asked him who/where did he get that from ....needless to say i put him straight ... he never looked at me the same way again or said anything about sikhi again. ah uni days ...well spent

It does not take a superman or superwoman to do the right thing in your own home/family/neighbourhood just someone who wants to live in the truth. We grew up in an area with very few asian let alone sikh families and that didn't stop us from follow Guru ji and trying to speak up for ourselves or others . Doing Right is never easy ...that why the path is so narrow and difficult but with Waheguru at your side why not???

Agreed Amritsar should be our capital it already has an international airport, scope for growth, is in the heart of Punjab dharmically, literally and emotionally. But of course that would mean Centre having to recognising it as more than just any old city ... hmm ...also since we want it to be recognised as a Holy city this is easier to get if the city becomes state capital too.

simple they are not strong enough to support or deserve the name on their head ....I am glad they do enough BS things to discredit Sikhi totally they should stay well away

Maybe this a blessing in disguise as we can eliminate the current trend of outside catering being brought in and distributed in langar e.g. mithai, shop-bought sweets. It will eliminate soya based foods as they are unhealthy anyway this would be better for sangat. Set menus and approachs to langar makes for better accountability, less wastage, simpler langar as in the true sense of langar not as is currently experienced where there is an element of making it more like restaurant with choices of pickles and relishes.

so you also have experienced what I was saying about the hardship of switching if you leave it too late ...also my observation that people find it easier to become patit at that stage than dastar waley, this is a till that is just as bad as the one introduced by akal takht by making dastars for women optional , my Mum said that it was the one place guaranteed to maintain ancient original rehit even if others wavered. That jathedar who proposed it was Gurmukh SIngh by name ironically and it was supposed to be a temporary relaxation I think it's time to bring it back and enforced . I would love to insist also that our bibian do not tie jooda at the back and tie patka style dastar as this destroys the niarapan of our dastar . SO many of our bibian are mistaken for muslim women because of this new 'style' and I have heard lots of lame excuses why they chose to do so and the funny thing is now the muslim women are tying their hijabs as turbans, because they love our look (they have no history of dastar styles on women) . The Jooda is supposed to be the shingar along with kanga of the dasam duar as Bhai Sahib Jarnail SIngh ji (Leamington Spa) explained when questioned about where the jooda should be tied . We are supposed to stand out this keeps us on track and aware of our words and actions, when we shirk the bana's true form we are shirking our true responsibilities to ourselves and others. Sorry but that is how I feel; Bana is a blessing not a curse and somehow all these little introductions have created mental weaknesses in us and the wrong attitude to bana.

I think you will find that the parents were more pro dastar than now.

Frankly it is only since the whole disastrous RUMAL on JOODEY of the 1970s that these patkey became more popular...funny thing is my bros hated the rumal thingy with a vengence and breathed a sigh of relief when they had amrit in 79 as it meant wearing a decent dastar.

so Beta do you tie a dastar at all now or are you still doing the patka thing?

Penji , waheguru's will is what will happens always, nothing more nothing less. Just because someone sees something in a dream it is not always going to happen . Like veer ji suggested Namo japo, bania pardo, shukrana di ardas karo for everything you have been blessed with , there are many who never have mothers there for them. Waheguru is there for you always and knows your innermost feelings , don't be afraid.

Why are you so foolish not everyone is minting it ...some don't have choices. I grew up in Hackney and yes it was hard during the seventies, better in the eighties but now with the guns and drugs I am glad my brother managed to move his family out , but my Mum still lives there and my sister and her family they have no choice . Anyway point is Sikhs' duty is to end evil in his corner of the universe even if it starts from under his roof, then slowly spreads to the 'hood. Evil only prospers when good men stay silent. If everyone used your mentality then everyone will leave Punjab and settle abroad then Punjab will become Hindu by majority then we would lose our rights there. One can stay and stand our ground in the face of trouble as my folks did in our childhood or run to the easy life 'dying a thousand deaths' every time we hear trouble is growing closer in the news. Lets agree to stand and hold position for the good folks in the universe

I didn't say that, but you failed to show BOTH are guilty of destroying these innocent lives...if he never strayed then maybe he would have learnt what a blessing he already had from Waheguru

Jadoo toona exists but in front of Naam it has no effect Namo Mantr Mantrang Namo Jantr Jantrang Naam is supreme mantar of all mantars. Naam is the supreme Magical amulet of all amulets Namo Ist Iste Namo Tantr Tantrang Naam is the supreme worshippable thing Naam is the supreme Magical Charm of charms from Jaap Sahib Personal experience : I came to know there were some people of this mindset trying to attack my family via these means ...just by doing nitnem and sukhmani sahib putting full faith in Waheguru's protection this thwarted their plans on multiple occasions, in fact that person got so frustrated that they demanded that I tell them exactly what my prayer routine was and to supply them with it in written form with translation ...of course I just smiled and walked away from that. Jis ka sahib dada hoe tis nu mar na sake koe... believe it , understand it and live it

And the husband was not party to this ? he is the bigger culprit because he couldn't honour his vows to his God and wife.

From experience of bringing up four gursikh children, aunt to four others and cousins to mo-ney and gursikhs alike my observation is that like most things there is an optimum point at which patkey are necessary and effective if one continues beyond that point the kid will choose not to take up dastaar without a struggle due to the inherent laziness built in. If we try to encourage casual dastar tying at home it is easier to convince a child, my daughter loves the look of a dumalla and will insist on me tying that on her it is not a set thing yet but she feels pretty comfortable with wearing one when she grows up. My eldest is seventeen and keeps insisting on tying a patka despite the abundance of resources at home to tie any size any colour dastaar...this is what I meant . The twins are tying dastaar to school themselves they still are loose but the main thing is they are doing it for themselves and are trying to tweak their method to improve the final look. In my eyes pressure should not be brought to bear on the child too much, but the dastars should be available, ask for fave colours, different material weights/stretch levels, so what may appeal to the child can be tried (turban material is cheap, even I used to let them try my old chunnis as dastars). Aim for a switch to dastaar as soon as possible to avoid resistance to making the special effort of tying and retying a long dastaar . My other observation is that those kids who want to keep their kesh are very appearence conscious so if you can teach them to tie a beautiful dastar this will give them solid confidence in their new appearence much more so than wearing a patka,often racists pick more on the appearence of a patka than a dastar, maybe because they seem more vulnerable( happened to all my boys). Also I have seen it seems to be easier in the mind of the patka wearer to abandon patka totally and then take the next bad step. ( this was seen in those basketball payers also in people I know) The ardas is there that my eldest goes to full dastar mode as he really looks the part, Waheguru sare Gursikh nu bharosa daan deho

Veer ji this is not helping the seekers here, if you can provide closeup or instructions on construction that would better

what is a sport patka? one of those NIKE do-rags or actually a smaller dastar material piece? do you tie your jooda at the back as well so you can fit it on? Anyway if you are doing a sport you will sweat so it is mot much of a difference if you wear a sport patka or a smaller dastar ...why not stick to rehitvan appearence?

not all youth can do many things ...does that mean we relax requirements until it is no longer considered a requirement to learn? then why learn Gurmukhi? then why learn to follow rehit? then why wear kakkars then why learn bania? then why have Amrit? then why be called a sikh, just call us long haired fools... My Daughter is six at age five she asked to wear a dastar to school to try it, when I tried to persuade her to tie a patka she looked me in the eye and said no Mum I want a real dastar/keski , from the mouth of babes ...if they can see what is the truth why can't we?

But rehit is to wear dastar ...full stop . A patka is a simple jooda cover extended both NOT DASTARS.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki FAteh, NO!!! this is legitimising the very bad til that is occuring in India and elsewhere where our youth are buying off the shelf designer name do-rags and claiming these as legimate dastars ... I was in a plane to India five weeks back and I'm not kidding you I saw only two Dastars out of a contingent of men numbering at least thirty ion the plane the rest were wearing these patkey with baseball caps jammed on top . I was the only dastar wearing female on the plane and I was getting the evil eye from these jokers. I am not kidding it wasn't kids of under 16 but grown men of thirty, forty and older There is a place for patkey and that is on toddlers to age 10 MAX after that age there is no reason to wear , I used to wear full dastar to school for physical education classes too, patkey were created for MUMs to tie on real kids incapable of doing their own dastars, not teens or grown men. If you are amritdhari the patka cannot be seen to satisfy rehitnama of Guru Gobind Singh ji concerning dastars.

I love his nimrata ...just completing my work of translating Guru Ji to Kanard and Hindi and giving to my fellow people of Karnataka will make me feel like I did something with my life . Dhan GUruji Dhan Guru ke piare