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  1. Listen, you illterate <banned word filter activated>: I've already stated how, in the past, my grandfathers and fathers before him regularly took opium in order to work the fields and ward off malaria. That doesn't mean I would be justified in following the 'tradition' of my family in this day and age. If I did....I would be a low down dirty filthy druggie scum just like you intoxicant supporting pretend sikhs. That was then and this is now......now there are medicines that do the job. In the past, my Sikh forefathers pissed on each other's wounds when cut in battles. But that doesn't mean I can say it is my glorious tradition to piss on my fellow man. Now, there are antiseptics that do the job. So......just what planet do you dirty druggie wasters live on where no pain-killer exists and only the cannabis drug will do the trick ?
  2. You are very much mistaken. You're criticising me for using 'words' against you sikhs that love taking the drugs and in her example love pushing/dealing the drugs but I think at this point all of you filthy drugie scum should sit back and remember this simple fact: In the whole world, bar one or two countries, you so called 'Sikhs' here that love the cannabis, will not only be arrested and charged with a criminal offence for it, but, in most countries you will have your liberty taken away with a prison sentence and in many countries, such as Singapore, it is an offence deemed immoral enough to carry the death sentence !!!!!! And yet you're complaining about my mere 'words' against you junkie druggie scum ? Trust me, there are no words low enough to describe you that have sunk so low that you not only take intoxicants whilst wearing the Guru's clothes you actually justify it by trying to incorporate it into Sikhi. There are no words low enough to describe you people.
  3. Well now, this thread pretty much sums up the dire straits that the young 'Gursikhs' of the UK are in and pretty much sums up why many non-religious Sikhs in the UK see the 'amritdharis' as immoral and morally corrupt. It shows how all we fathers and mothers need to keep our children well away from a very large proportion of those in the UK wearing the garb of our Guru, dressing like him, pretending to be like him, but with all the morals and ethics of a common criminal from the council estate. The thread has shown how an extremely large percentage are drug takers. Now, as the above proves, we have our fair share of dealers and pushers amongst them too. Immoral, low down filthy dirty morally bankrupt scum, every last one of them. All you good Sikhs....you true Sikhs... need to ensure you keep your children well away from their toxic presence. None of it should be all that surprising to anyone though.....I mean we had enough pieces of the jigsaw to make a clear picture. Take the above for example: As a teenage girl she ran off with her black brazilian boyfriend so should we really be all that surprised to find out now that she's also a bit of a massive fan of the ganga.......is partial to the weed. Happy days for her of course because in the present kaljug environment both her and her man can enjoy their beloved marijuana actually in the name of 'Sikhi'. Just be careful of who that man or woman wearing a dastar and kirpan sitting next to you in the Gurdwara really is. As this thread has demonstrated, an extremely large proportion of them are filthy druggie scum from filthy druggie families.
  4. For someone who's been "reading jagsaw's comments for a while now on this forum" you obviously have the reading skills of an amazonian pygmy on acid. If you knew how to read, you will have noticed that I am this forum's most vocal critic of NKJ and see them as causing obscene long term damage to Sikhi. My grandfather...his father before him....and his father before him, as farmers in Punjab, regularly took opium. Not for the nasha, but because it "helped" them work the fields and stay awake. Thats "tradition" in eactly the same way you talk about the nihung's "tradition". The obvious difference of course comes with the use of the word 'work' because, as the whole of Punjab knows, if there's one thing that brings out an allergic reaction in a nihung it is the thought of doing actual work. Anyway, I'm not going to sit here and condone my fathers' use of opium in the name of 'tradition'. Tradition, 9 times out of 10, means bad things. Tradition is killing your unborn daughter.....tradition is asking for and accepting dowries.....tradition is performing hindu rituals. So lets examine the wonderful 'traditions' of the nihungs. Lets eamine their ways: This last week, 200,000 of them had gathered in Anandpur where they were throwing hindu holi colours at each other. Am I supposed to respect their 'tradition' or am I supposed to respect the verses in Gurbani where Guru ji states the futility of throwing colours on that day and how our tenth master ordered Singhs not to indulge in such practices ? 200,000 of them high as a kite pretending to be battle ready. But you tell me how a man with any cannabis in his body system could possibly partake in the Sikh art of warfare which requires 100% control of the senses, time awareness and hand-eye co-ordination ? This, in turn, explains why, while they claim to be battle ready, they have consistently failed to stand up for the panth and fight in the last 50 years. In the last 30 years Indians have gone on genocida massacre and rape sprees against us and the police has, according to international human rights groups, openly murdered a quarter of a million of us. Meanwhile, the junkie nihungs have been busy getting high and throwing hindu colours at each other like gay demented pansies still pretending to be 'ready for battle'. Talk to any Sikh in Punjab and 99.9% of them will tell you that the nihungs are the lazy drug addicts who become nihungs because they are afraid of real work and this nihung lifestyle gives them an opportunity to freely indulge their drug addictions. Our Guru ji, has been as clear as clear can be that a Sikh should never take any intoxicants. Only a mentally ill mental inpatient of a facility catering for the mentally ill with a big sign on the front saying 'Drop off your mentally ill here' would argue that bhang does not intoxicate the mind. Lets compare you junkie drug addict sorry excuses for 'Singhs' then, to a true chardi kala Singh of Sri Gobnd Singh Ji.........a man forever ready for battle....forever in his senses.....always working hard for a living.....never losing his ambition.....always getting on in life.The two are not compatible. Hard work used to be what marked a Sikh as a Sikh. So much so that foreign textbooks used to describe Sikhism as having a Calvinist outlook of life whereby hard work was a way to salvation. But look at many of you here now. Idiotic, uneducated romantic ideals of drugs. Idiotic uneducated romantic ideas about 'tradition'. Every last one of you here that espouse the use of drugs in Sikhi and try and use Sikhi as a way of justifying it is a lazy, dirty, useless, good for nothing waste of space prospective junkie that come from equally kanjar druggie families for, if they were not, they would have strangled such low lifes at birth.
  5. Well, because a 'ball' by very definition, is a sphere shaped object and, by common sense, the thing Americans play with is obviously an oval egg shaped thing and the fact they use their hands to play with it rather than their foot........we call it 'American Hand Egg'.
  6. We don't have favorites. We have favourites. We don't have soccer teams. We have football teams.
  7. Remind me not to take you with me to a debating contest Singh559. You're about as useful and welcome as Jimmy Saville at a children's charity event. Oh and a little tip.....re; those little 'mistersingh' stylee vide clips. You might wanna limit yourself to the one in future. They work in a sort of double negative way whereby the humour and effect of the first is somewhat cancelled out with the inclusion of an unecessary second. Just a little tip to help you on your way.
  8. What you mean "they actually do it" ? What you telling me that for ? I'm the one here...on a previous thread....who gave a detailed account of my experience in my pend after being given it by the granthi in our Gurdwara while my family were having an akhand path here. I''ll repeat it again: They.....because they are a bunch of un-padh cretins who wouldn't know real Sikhi if it jumped up and bit them on the bottom...drink it. They gave me a glass. It was mixed with milk, almonds and spices and this ensured it will do the rounds in my body's digestive system before finally hitting my head in one almighty explosion a few hours later without warning. And thats exactly what it did. An hour went by....nothing. Two hours went by....nothing. And then, almost like clockwork on the 3rd hour it sudden;y hit my head like a hammer blow. In total and complete intoxication......in total nasha.....without any sense or reason....I ran out of the Gurdwara like a mad man....stole someone's bicycle and went riding through someone's sunflower fields with the tune of Zorba the Greek playing in my head in a loop. I then ran into some people in the pend. Stood there in the middle of them like a mental case and time went very very very slowly. So thats a man on 'shaheedi degh'. A complete and utter tosser and loser, high as a kite, totally useless in the battle field....not least because the enemy will slice him in two before his warped concept of time even allows him to realise there's a man behind him with a sword let alone turn and swing. Lets compare that then, to a true chardi kala Singh of Sri Gobnd Singh Ji.........a man forever ready for battle....forever in his senses.....always working hard for a living.....never losing his ambition.....always getting on in life. The two are not compatible. Those espousing the use of bhang here on this thread are nothing short of dirty, useless, lazy, good-for-nothing junkie material.....desparately looking for spiritual and religious justification to fullfill their heart's desire for nasha.
  9. What ? What you trying to tell us ? Cat got your tongue ? Not have any views of your own ? Not capable of articulating your own views ? Your post is a complete mystery but......if you're trying to use a mortal 'man's' ideas and beliefs about our 10th master using drugs....and pass it off as definitive proof of the truth even though you know that all mortal men are inherently flawed, I will retort with some fundamental truths: Guru ji was clear and adamant about the strict ban on all intoxicants. Only a mentally ill mental inpatient of a facility catering for the mentally ill with a big sign on the front saying 'Drop off your mentally ill here' would argue that bhang does not intoxicate the mind. The Sikh art of war requires extreme close hand eye co-ordination. The use of bhang will completely and utterly destroy hand eye co-ordination...thus rendering the user as useful in the battlefield as a hamster running in the grand national. This, somewhat, explains why these so called 'nihungs' have not actually fought in any of our battles for the last 100 years but choose instead, to run and hide every time the battle has come to us, and choose instead to be pretend warriors pretending to be battle ready, afraid of hard work (as that 'bhang' destroys a man's natural ambition to work hard, earn and go forward in life) and get high and throw hindu holi colours at each other at hohala mohalla in gay abandon.
  10. Ummm.......you have to wonder about a man that is awake at 01:14 hrs on Saturday night /Sunday morning with nothing on his mind but marijuana. Calling it 'shaheedi degh' is just an attempt to give drugs a sense of respectability among those sikhs who are inclined towards narcotic substances. i.e..bani is not good enough for them......simran is not good enough for them.....sangat is not good enough for them. They need drugs in order to reach a stage that Gurbani on its own can take other Sikhs. It grows wild all over Punjab. You'll find it in other people's fields if not your own. It (bhang), unlike the cannbis smoked all the world, is made from the male plant and is made from the leaves and flowers of the plant. As it grows wild in the fields there the general rule among these natural plants is that the shorter the plant the higher the thc levels....i.e the taller plants will have lower thc. Thats a clever ploy I've noticed among 'Sikhs' who are attracted by drugs. Even though it is Hindus who have been 'religiously' making and drinking bhang for thousands of years and 99.9% of the people that drink bhang in order to pretend to be on a higher spiritual level and also those thatdrink it to lose inhibitions and molest each other during, for example, holi are Hindu......The Sikh that has junkie inclinations and capabilities will ignore the 99.9% reality and simply mention the 0.1% (nihungs) in order to give the impression that it is a 'Sikh' thing with a rightfull place in Sikhi.
  11. You obviously didn't read the message directly above yours Cisco. The cost of adhering to very strict regulations is very very high in Singapore. The car scenario I gave you was just an example of it, i.e the fact that one needs to spend around $100,000 on car tax etc before one can even put a car on the road there. Thats why there's so few private ownership cars there and the environment is so clean. Once you've spent $100,000 you can then factor in the additional cost of the actual car. That example then, is how Singapore maintains an extremely clean and orderly society. Standards are very high.....the costs of maintaining those standards are higher still, i.e alot of regulations, and thus we, sitting in other countries need to see both sides of the story with educated and well-read eyes before jumping to conclusions about committee members there trying to get an "s class mercedes". Not least because no self-respecting 'asian' person these days buys a mercedes. Mercedes lost their status symbol years ago. If a committee member these days was that way inclined, he would steal your money in order to buy a Range Rover.
  12. Let me put my points in bullet order: 1) The BBC, time and time again, have been shown to totally disregard the existence of Sikhs in the UK, i.e people that pay for the BBC's existence with our licence fee. 2) With regards to international news from Punjab, they only employ Indian journalists from Bombay who naturally only write or broadcast news about their version of 'India'. 3) We, the Sikhs, have been trying to expose the BBC for a long while now. 4) In my opinion, looking closely at that 'silent man with a turban' constantly in BBC discussion programme audiences, he comes across as a man who does not normally wear a pagh but, like that man in the BNP election broadcasts, has had a pagh haphazardly tied on him in order to give the impression that he is a 'Sikh' thus the audience reflects all cultures. 5) If this is true, then the BBC have behaved in exactly the same way as the BNP and they truly need to be exposed. 6) Thus, it is now imperative that the man in the audience is tracked down by the UK Sikh community at large and the truth, one way or another, revealed. 7) Potentially, if my gut feeling is right, this thing could be big enough to bring down the BBC. It would be a very very serious matter. 8) Track that man down.
  13. Even before he was force fed he had still broken the world record for being on a hunger strike by some margin. In fact the margin was at such a level that it was actually physically impossible for a human to be on hunger strike anywhere near that long and still be alive. And therein lies the problem. The authorities there (India) see us as gimmicky sort of people not to be taken seriously and we do nothing to dispel that viewpoint when one after the other some (we had 3 or 4 in a row) some of or men go on hunger strikes that are not even hunger strikes at all.
  14. It was probably Muslims that did it. I say we ban all Muslims until we can "figure out what the hell is going on". Can I be President now ?
  15. "Already Islamified London" ? Really ? Which part of London do you live in for you to think that ? Oh yeah....you don't do you....You live in the Birmingham area and yet you think we Londoners live an "islamified" city. As a Londoner, let me tell you that this city is very black......very jewish....very very Hindu....extremely European.....increasingly hispanic south american and in these parts of west London very Sikh. But, unless you live in the cheap eastern part of London, it most certainly isn't even remotely 'islamified'.
  16. I have relations in Singapore. None of them drive a car because apparently it costs upwards of $100,000 just to put a car on the road in Singapore (and thats not including the actual cost of the car). I mention that because I think it highights the very very high cost of maintaining a beautifully clean and hygenic society. They do have a tremendous amount of regulations out there and, without knowing the facts, one can imagine the very high costs of maintaining a Gurdwara in compliance with regulations and society norms.
  17. I don't think that's specific to kids, although kids do need to be 'taught' things. But everyone would be vegetarian if they 'thought' about where their food comes from. Trouble is, people like to create a distance between the source and how their food (meat) ended up on the supermarket shelf and ultimately their dinner plate. They like to imagine Walmart has this wonderfully clean state of the art laboratory where meat is magically manufactured and packaged ready to be shipped off to the supermarket shelf. In truth though they know where it actually comes from but because they don't like to think about it they like to create a massive distance whereby someone else does the killing and butchering....out of sight, out of mind. You have to question then, the value in eating something that makes one feel so uncomfortable that you need someone else to get their hands dirty on your behalf in order to source it for you...out of sight, out of mind. But, the reality is that 30 years from now our children will be having this exact same discussion about the way we (their mothers and fathers) drank milk. i.e the way we closed our eyes and pretended we just didn't see or know about the extreme cruelty involved in sourcing that milk. As everyone knows, the animals such as the one in the picture above, that get slaughtered, are the lucky ones. The ones that have to suffer endless perpetual cruelty (no doubt wishing they would be slaughtered and their suffering ended) are the ones that have to provide you with that glass of milk. In 2016 we're still nswering questions about meat and our ignorant parents. And so...in 2024....How are you going to answer questions about milk and our ignorant selfs ?
  18. You seem to mistakingly equate Amritsar to 'Majha' quite alot Big Tera. Yes Amritsar is in Majha, but it is only one very small part of it. Essentialy, the short story is that the Sikh Mahajans are the off-spring of the Hindu Khatri money lenders who deliberately made one of their sons 'Sikh' in order to financially prosper during the Khalsa Raj period when Sikhs ruled an empire. Those money lenders knew that in order to benefit from a monetary point of view from this wide and powerful empire, they would need to have at least one foot in the 'Sikh' camp. At the end of the day then, they are the people that existed throughout Majha (Gurdaspur, Lahore, Sahiwal etc etc) and throughout the Sikh empire to the north, east and north west of Majha, who were universally despised (as all money lenders are) for benefitting from people's misfortunes and debts. In order to protect the rural land-owning Sikhs of Punjab from these people the British enacted the Punjab Land Act which prohibted agricultural land in Punjab passing into the hands of these people.
  19. In terms of our history, Australia trumps even Canada and California as the first 'western' land our pioneers settled in on a large scale. Unfortunately, as Punjabis have little understanding and regard for preserving history, they have knocked down most of the oldest houses in the villages of doaba and replaced them with pointlessly large modern mega houses. It is the older houses in the villages of doaba that reveal history. Just like how, in 100 years time, our off-spring will notice the number of houses in the villages with mention of 'Canada' engraved. From that, they will learn that, in the past, it was money from Canada that was providing these giant houses. In this regard the one thing about the old houses still standing in those villages that jumps out at you first is the way that the vast majority of them have the words 'Telia' engraved on the front wall, along with a date in the late 1800s. 'Telia', of course, is the Punjabi colloquial word for Australia, and it demonstrates just how many of the Sikhs were settled there in the 1800's. As for the wider issue being discussed here I will tell you exactly what I say to relatives there that think they are well off and 'rich' because they have giant houses, Range Rovers and the finer things in life. I tell them they are poor. Very poor. No matter how much money you have in the bank you are extremely poor if : Outside of the front gates of your house...i.e the society you are part of.... there are mothers dying simply because they cannot afford a £2 medicine Your nation's children die of malnutrition. Your nation's citizens die of diseases eradicated in the rest of the world a century ago. Your nation's citizens die through lack of clean water and basic sanitation No matter how much money you have in the bank and how nice your house is you are very very poor if you can't even ensure : Everyone in your nation has access to free 1st class emergency healthcare Everyone in your country has free 1st class education within 1st class surroundings Everyone in your country is given social security, a poverty safety net, a roof over their heads. No matter how rich you think you and how nice the car you drive is, you are destitute level poor if: Those brand spanking new roads, bridges and shiny buildings are built partly by child labour. Children working hard on building sites rather than being in school.No matter how democratic and civilised you imagne your society is, you are a very poor man living in a very poor backward country if: Your country still has 17th century 'sedition' Laws on it's statute books.Everyone in India......everyone.....is very very poor. Very poor because they don't understand what true societal richness is.
  20. Very good point. Nothing in this world makes me sicker to the depths of my belly than the sight of 'nihungs' on Hohala Mohala throwing colour at each others faces at Anandpur. Sick to death of these 'pretend' warriors pretending to be warriors but never to be seen when an actual fight keeps coming along. But...we're no worse. Look at our threads here. We have poster after poster going on about Muslim this and Muslim that and one or two with hell-bent hatred for Britain and yet, all the while, Hindu India keeps occupying us, Hindu India keeps humiliating us, Hindu India keeps killing us, Hindu India keeps protecting the killers of us, Hindu India keeps imprisoning us. I mean lets take this incident and what happened in Gurdaspur 2 years ago as an example. Hindu mobs dragged Sikhs off buses, pulled their dastars off and danced on the dastars with their feet. Think about that. And then reconcile that with the fact that 99.9% of threads here are about Muslims and the British !!!
  21. A very kind gesture. Beautiful. But...as someone else here pointed out, a little analysis and intellectual skills on our part reveals something that points to a fraudulent 'stunt' rather than actual genuine refugees. That 'Hindu Indian', if he actually exists, that had his feet washed and kissed needs to be tracked down. Its difficult to understand why a Hindu Indian would be claiming refugee status from an infamous Hindu Indian nation that is hellbent on standing up for his rights at the expense of minorities such as Sikhs and Christians. Something here doesn't quite add up.
  22. There have been, throughout history, many intellectual and philosophical discussions within Sikhi. This is natural as man needs to find peace as to why he is here. But.......this is the first time in Sikh history....and the history of Sikh intellectual discussion worldwide.....that a thread espousing Ghandiesque celibacy has reached 14 pages. Gandhi, if you'll remember, was a great supporter of celibacy, and so used to sleep naked with his young neices in order to show how "devoted to God he was" and how his celibacy "could not, in the slightest, tempt him". In this day and age, when men with such thoughts will undoubetdly be placed on the sex offenders register as definitive perverts its hard to understand why anyone still, on page 14 of a thread that never needed to be born in the first place, is still arguing the Ghandiesque point of view. For those of you new to the world, perhaps only just come out of your mother's womb, Ghandi was a man who, to the whole world, kinda represents Hinduism. But leaving that aside lets go back to the Indian ascetic train of thought about celibacy. Our Gurus have told you time and time and time and time and time and time again that it is your duty as a Sikh to marry, have kids, work hard (not claim social security...not commit mortgage/insurance fraud (i.e social security) and live the life of an honest hardworking householder. So what exactly is it that makes so many 'Sikhs' on this thread ignore the obvious and embrace the hindu ascetic Gandhiesque philosophy ? I don't know but...as I said before on a previous page...assuming these Gandiesque lovers are right (and of course we should all do whats right) I'll be celibate...you'll be celibate....uncle Joginder will be celibate....cousin Manpreet will be celibate....auntie kalwainder will be celibate......cousin Simran will no longer exist because uncle Joginder was celibate......cousin Jaspreet will be celibate........nephew Arun will be celibate....neice Prabhjyot will be celibate and then...............BANG There's no one left. No Sikh is getting married and so no Sikh is having babies anymore and so the Sikh population of the world = Zero. Welcome, my friends, to the world (thread) of the people that have more time than sense and take a non-brainer issue like this to 14 pages.
  23. Be mindful, my friend, of understanding basic legal principles and how apt or non-apt they might be to Sikhi. As far as this 'innocent until proven guilty' lark goes we need to discard any claims that it is an invention of English Common Law (which Canada and America also practice) and understand that the principle's origins lay in the Roman Law practiced in mainland Europe who took the principle from the Christian Bible, notably the story of Adam and Eve and the way God could only judge Adam as guilty once testimonies were heard and more importantly from Deutoronomy 19:15 and the story of Moses whereby he said if God needs to summon witnesses before passing judgement then humans must also do so, i.e innocent until proven guilty. So, not wanting to base my Sikhi ideals on made up stories from the Christian faith, I would say Sikhi is pretty clear-cut (i.e without the need for Christian witnesses and testimonies) in that a Sikh should marry, have children and live the life of a hard-working householder.
  24. So........the thing that had been keeping me dead all my life, i.e non-amritdhari. 'mrit' in ancient Sanscrit means death. In Sanscrit, just like all indo-european languages, including engish (as any doctor will tell you), when you put an 'a' in front of the word it becomes the opposite. So, when you put the 'a' in front of 'mrit' (death) you get life. Meaning we are actually dead....walking around as the walking dead...and it is Amrit that will give us life. What stops a dead man choosing life is complicated. We all have our own reasons / excuses. Mine was the fact that my faith's parcharaks swan around in rich man's vehicles that destroy the environment even though my Guru ji says that environment is Waheguru, that my Sikh Channels constantly have rich men on living in mansions regardless of the immoral means they obtained those riches etc. Well, today both me and the old girl gave our names to shak Amrit on Basakhi day next month. When I'm finally alive I will sit with the poor, eat with the poor and give a helping hand to the poor. That, is what being 'alive' is all about.
  25. There is a right way to live life and a wrong way. There are people that want a great future for Sikhi and then there are those that are more interested in finding short term ways of disguising their secret / latent homosexuality / perverseness. Lets analyse one of the ways...Celibacy: Lets all assume that the proponents of celibacy are right and of course, as we all want to do whats right, we all follow their example and be celibate. Lets follow it step by step: We all become celibate Nobody's getting married and making babies anymore so, before long, the population of Sikhs worldwide goes down to about 4 million. We carry on being ceibate and then, a bit further down the line, a newspaper will write an article about the last 'Sikh' left alive in the world....some random 88 year old in Ludhiana. He dies of old age and then thats it.....no more Sikhs left in the entire world. Wow. What a wonderfull future the celibacy walleh here are proposing.
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