JagsawSingh

your defo proving your no sikh here, cos your logic has failed. You fail to spot the difference between an islamophobe and an actual racist.

You seem like sunny hundal undercover or one of his punjabi atheist minions. Very suspicious most your posts have been far left and always arguing against sikh issues.

I'm not supporting Sunny Hundal, in fact I happen to think he's a complete and utter tosspot. But, unlike you, I happen to know the difference between someone I disagree with politically and a facist. One is an and the other one is plain evil. The kind of things one says lead to men, women and children being physically attacked. You need to reassess your whole approach to this and understand the whole concept of evil.

Which brings me to your very last point.....the bit where you insinuate that supporting facists is a "Sikh issue" and that anyone that does not do so must be an "undercover sunny hundal supporter and not a sikh". With thinking like that superkaur, I think you'll feel very much at home in that facist party so perhaps your'e right....perhaps you do belong in the tommy robinson camp after all.

A very odd sod Friday he was fantsing over indra ghandi look a likes from wembley in the 1960s.

3 points here:

Firstly, "fantasising" ????

Secondly, the 1970's cannot, by very definition, and common sense, be the 1960's.

And thirdly, how many people looking like Indra Gandhi have you ever seen working in a Britsh factory ??

I've been accused of many things before, but I must admit, this is the first time anyone's ever accused me of having a sexual fetish for indra gandhi lookalikes.

Woah there tommy robinson is no racist........... He has black, jewish, sikh, hindu and even muslim friends.

He can't be a racist becaue he's got black friends !!

Well, that pretty much sums that up. I don't think I need to add any more.

As for these gurjrati women from wembley you praise, if you want to praise these indra ghandi types in your home that's your business.

Umm. Interesting, Hammertime.

Slightly interesting in the fact that you normally reserve all your hate towards Muslims but more interesting in the fact that a Sikh (i.e one who has been taken out of the darkness by our Guru) is swayed more by the fact that those great women of Wembley were HINDUS rather than the fact that they bravely persevered with their strike (on behalf of yours and my grandma) on the streets for 2 years. (for those of you who do not know: At that time, our mothers were paid less than white work colleagues in the factories......our mothers were legally treated worse in terms of breaks than their colleagues......Our mothers worked in the same sort of factories that the Gujarati ladies of north west london worked for. Those Hindu Gujarati ladies did something Sri Gobind Singh ji taught us to do. They said no. This is not right. They walked out on strike. The unions and the labour party at that time were even more racist against non-white people than the establishment so they didn't support those ladies. But, even without union support, those ladies continued to strike and picket the factory. A week went by. A month went by. And then more months. And then a year. These ladies still, without union or any support, continued with their picket because it was right. Another 6 months went by. By the 18th month of these women's struggle, the consciousness of the entire nation was woken up. By the 18th month, every right thinking individual in the country was in awe of the sacrifices of these women and by the 19th month media reports say that between 20,000 and 30,000 people were coming down to wembley every day to stand alongside those women in solidarity and fight the police that were inimidating them.)

So, I'm intrigued Hammertime, how does a 'Sikh' grow up to hate or dismiss such brave women just because they are 'Hindu' ???

. I'm not sure what malcom x saw, but myself with extensive knowledge of the area and experience can say racism doesn't work in birmingham, the NF didn't gain moment after the 1974 bombings, the rivers of blood speech was made on the edge of birmingham, but white brummies didn't want to know. .

Ooh no, Hammertime007. You have no idea how the racism of Smethwick was so big that it not only made international headlines but was, single-hendedly, responsible for the enactment of the UK's first anti-discrimination laws.

You see, at that time, there was of course racism everywhere....partly because being racist against non-white people was not only perfectly acceptable and the norm among the masses but also perfectly acceptable according to the Law. In Smethwick however, the level of racism reached a level that made liberal thinkers and research academics realise that something must be done. In other words, if it wasn't for Smethwick, the Race Relations Act would never have come into existence. The catalyst was the 1964 by-election in Smethwick which has gone down in history as the most racist election campaign ever in British history. The politicians, the people (white people), the police and the local authorities all made it abundantly clear that they did not like or want any non-whites (in Smethwick's case that means Sikh as the Sikhs were overwhelmingly the non-whites of Smethwick). The level of racism was the worst that the UK had or has ever experienced. As the title of this thread states, the Sikhs of Smethwick did not take it lying down. They organised....they unified....they demonstrated...and they even reached out to America and the man who was, at that time, the international face of non-white rights and dignity. They reached out to Malcolm X and, to his great credit, he actually came.

Now, the important thing to note here is that today, many people on this very forum lament how the Sikhs are always demonstrating....always agitating....always fighting for their rights. What these people need to understand is that, from an historical point of view, this facet of the Sikh's character in contrast with the character of the Muslims, Hindus and blacks, has been responsible for so much that is now good in Britain. For example, when the UK had a racist party on the cusp of election victories (the National Front) it was the Sikhs who consigned them to the dustbin of history (Southall, April 1979). When this country had a massive youth movement that was based on the principle of beating and killing non-white people (skinheads) it was the Sikhs that consigned them to the dustbin of history (Southall, 1981).

We are, by very nature, so different to all the non-white groups that have ever made the UK their home. We need to remember how much we have acheived on behalf of every non-white person in the UK today. They won't know if we don't remember and teach our kids.

Not to say the others did nothing at all though because I often sit my son down and remind him how the middle aged Hindu Gujarati ladies of Wembley are legends when it comes to the working rights of all non-whites. The strength, unity and single-mindness that those auntia showed during the Grunwick Strike between 1976 and 1978 should always be saluted and remembered.

Smethwick is next to handsworth, handsworth is a big sikh area and a tough manor

Handsworth was never an actual Sikh area (ownership of stores in an area, all around the world, is never a good indication of who actually lives there and...as Soho Rd was always throughout history the main shopping thoroughfare to the west of Brum city centre, it was always the place to own and operate retail businesses) (the fact that it is and has always been the hotspot of the largest concentration of massive Gurdwaras is indicative of the fact that the area is where Sikhs congregated for shopping, extra-curricular activities and the abundance of cheap vacant large premises than the actual existence of Sikh residents).The Jamaicans always easily outnumbered the Punjabis and of the Punjabis, the majority were always ravidasias who classified themselves as Hindu rather than Sikh. To this day, whilst the eastern part closer to the city centre (lozells) is overwhelmingly Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslim it is only the small suburban area of Handsworth Wood that has a Sikh feel in terms of residents. In terms of relative recent history then, Handsworth is up there, just behind Brixton and Flatbush in New York as Jamaican towns. You might not know that but there are youngsters into reggae throughout the globe that listen to 'Handsworth Revolution' regularly and blacks in America who remember that it was a Handsworth rasta who ensured that the state of New York enact a Law ensuring that New York taxis stop for black customers (David Hinds - Steel Pulse).

The pakis couldn't do this type of work which Is why there were in Bradford working in the textile trade

Pakistanis have always outnumbered Sikhs in Birmingham by about 30 to 1, and their main community in places such as Balsall Heath is even older than the Sikh community of Smethwick.

But, I take your point because the news archives of Smethwick from the early 1960's talk bout hard working 'asians' (sikhs) whereas the news archives of Balsall Heath from the same and even earlier era talk about 'asians' (Pakistani Muslims) who are pimps (Balsall Heath was always the red light capital of northern europe this side of amsterdam)

...explain it to me why the abortion figures year on year are highest in Punjab when compared to any other state in the Indian union?

Thats not true and, yet another example of how we are turning into a people who forever think everything is bad, everything is worst....the glass is always half empty.

According to this, and every other available statistics about abortion in India, Punjab is in the bottom half of the table when it comes to the number of abortions. If you don't like these stats, find yourselves some others. They all point to the same thing, i.e the fact that Punjab has relatively few abortions compared to the rest of India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Number-of-abortions-dropping-in-India/articleshow/6555212.cms

9 days before Malcolm X was assassinated, he made a solidarity visit to the streets of one of England's largest and oldest Sikh communities: Smethwick.

Whilst different areas of Birmingham always housed different immigrant groups it was always only Smethwick that had a Sikh majority. Things in Smethwick however, were far from rosy. Racism against the Sikhs was so fierce and mainstream that a local Sikh, Avtar Singh Johal, asked Malcolm X to come and visit and, help. To his credit, he came. He could have shown solidarity with many black areas or Muslim areas but it was to this Sikh area that he came and when he came, he said what he had seen there was worse than what was happening in America.

The day Malcolm X came to visit:

I honestly don't think it's a skin color issue, but really you can't work on a tourist visa legally in the U.S. you have to get the proper visa. The other 2 folks really have no explanation especially since they had some extremely questionable things. America may not love Islam and P.C. like the rest of the "Industrialized World", but if they hated browns then every latin blooded person would be deported.

I'm with you, jacfsing2, on this one.

As soon as I read the story, and it said he was trying to enter the usa on a tourist visa for 'work' related stuff (regardless of whether it is paid or unpaid) I wondered why this man thought he should be the first man in history allowed to do so.

All things considered, I think they refused him entry for having a very, very low I.Q. An I.Q not good enough to know what kind he visa he should have got.

Well then read study of princeton edu, average height of Adult Punjab male is 168.6 cm , tallest in India , but quite similar Haryana 168.1, and Jammu Kashmir 168.3

https://www.princeton.edu/rpds/papers/Deaton_Height_health_and_inequality_the_distribution_of_adult_heights_in_India_AERPP.pdf

So this makes average Punjabi male height at 5 feet 6 inches, Tallest in India but nowhere close to 5 feet 10 inches or 11 inches Europeans

You seem to be on a one man mission to rubbish the findings of respected medical professionals kds1980. Inadvertently however, all you've done is pretty much back up the conclusions the study came to. The study, if you remember, came to the conclusion that the physical difference between Sikh Punjabis and Hindu Punjabis was so vast that it would be silly to portray them as one race with the same characteristics. So, with the Sikhs coming top of the height survey and top of the weight survey......and Hindus coming bottom of the weight survey and bottom of the height survey your princeton study results of the 'average height of adult Punjabis' is pretty much correct given how the almost 50/50 hindu-sikh split in Punjab makes the 'average adult Punjabi' a cross between a tall strong Sikh and a lighweight short-ar$e Hindu.

I'm American!

My commiserations.

Anyway, now that I've explained how the BMJ is the oldest medical journal in the world and it is published by the UK's Regulatory Body for doctors I think we can all agree that we're talking about a properly researched article from a reputable journal so lets concentrate on the substance of the findings rather than the cover of the pages they appear in.

(if it's so respected as you say it how come I've never heard of it?)

What....seriously ? And you're from the UK ?

Well...I don't know where to start. Lets start with the basics. You know how there's a professional regulatory body for anyone that wants to practice as a doctor in the UK, i.e one cannot practice medicine unless one is accepted and registered as a member of the BMA (British Medical Association) ? Well, the BMJ (British Medical Journal) is their own journal (published by the BMA) and is the oldest medical journal in the world...with an influential readership of doctors around the globe. However I'm very sorry but I cannot explain how you could have reached adulthood in the UK without ever having heard of the BMJ.

I seriously hope they know that religion has nothing to do with birth......They ask really ridiculous questions which have nothing to do with health. (Religion and Health are completely separate).

'Religion' is manifested in race and culture. For example, a Hindu from Punjab does not have the same culture of drinking copious amounts of milk as the Sikh from Punjab. The Hindu and Muslim Punjabi eats just a tiny proportion of the amount of spinach the Sikh from Punjab eats.....The Muslim Punjabi child is given meat in every meal, regardless of the harmfull anti-biotics contained in that processed meet whilst the Sikh child is given vegetable after vegetable after vegetable etc etc etc. I could go on with this but I think you're getting the idea now arn't you ?

Is this even an accurate study?

The BMJ fella. The single most respected medical journal on planet earth.

The findings of a very interesting study were published in the BMJ (British Medical Journal) in 1994. The study compared the heights and weights of white British children, black afr0-carribean children, Pakistani Muslim children, Bangladeshi Muslim children, Hindu children and Sikh children. The heights and weights of each were recorded at birth, year 1, year 2 and year 5. In terms of weights, although white children were heaviest at birth it was Sikh infants who had the most spectacular gain in body weight. The Hindu children had by far the worst gain. By the ge of 5 the Sikh children were the heaviest of all the groups and the Hindus the lightest.

But...the really interesting feature of this study is the height of Sikh children. At every stage of the study, the Sikh children (boys and girls) were easily the tallest of all, Taller than the white, black, Muslim and Hindu children. At every stage of the study the Hindus were the smallest of all. The study found that Sikh children were so much taller than all the others at the age of 5 that Sikh boys were a full 3cms taller than the second tallest group (white Europeans) and the Sikh girls were 1.5 cms taller than white European girls. At every stage of the study, the Hindus were the shortest.

Very interesting stuff.

http://adc.bmj.com/content/71/3/207.full.pdf

Please attend the event

I'd love to. I'll try my best. But I'm gonna have to come up with a good excuse to give my wife as she'll wonder where I am.

There are very few genuine refugees most are people looking to economically upgrade

Any why did your mum and dad come here then ? Don't tell me...let me guess: They're internationally renowned scientists on the verge of a major medical breathrough and so the UK government begged them to come, right ?

Waheguru made them (these refugees) as much as he made you. As a Sikh, you should want every human in the world to be able to enjoy the basics of a decent life.

there are people who were in Turkey for ages and now suddenly they are refugees fleeing the war...BS

Go to Southall in west London. Go to Ilford in east London. Go to France. Go to Germany. Go to Italy. You'll find it is we 'Sikhs' you're inadvertenty describing there.

BS. there are pictures of pakistanis bangladeshis and even a few of apney from afghanistan coming into Europe via this route.

Go to Paris. Among Parisians, the word 'Sikhs' is synonymous with 'refugees'. The two go together like cheese and biscuits. Go to Paris, and see if you can visit any of the famous iconic tourist sites without being accosted by our Sikh brethren pressuring you to buy cheap tack.

I have seen films where the 'refugees' are refusing any food or even water given stating they want money instead, they are complaining they have to share accomodation with others

You have also 'seen films' showing how the vast majority of them are hard-working excellent citizens who go on to add so much to this country. But, 'sight' is selective when our brains have been programmed to hate and mistrust. The system has taught us to hate, therefore, we only recall 'seeing films' about the bad elements.

and thus dawns the age of the militarised police world state

Good point. Its all being done right in front of our eyes and yet the people are too stupid and blind to see whats happening. Only last week it was announced that theres to be a massive increase in the number of armed policemen on routine patrol in London. As a police force is generally a reflection of the society it polices the people will only understand what this means when citizens of the capital also start routinely arming themselves. Then, however, it will be too late to turn back the clock. The people will then ask themselves, how and when did this happen, too stupid to realise that it started the day (last week) our policemen became routinely armed.

whose poisoning minds ...understanding itihaas use and context can make it clear its current misuse, besides studying natural resources around you is wise , because you never know what SHTF political action will come next , opening us up to anarchy and then the local boots will not be able to supply you I have used this skills in the forests to locate plants to treat scratches, feed a hungry kid when far away from car and shops.

The Planet is going to Hell in a handbasket at the mo ... being prepared is to be well-equipped - that's is why I feel all parents should now the enemy i.e. drugs go onto frank.com and understand effect, signs and symptoms. Many people don't realise their kids are being approached in primary school to try stuff ... (by friends or hangers around ) , same with knowing social media acronyms sexttalk so you can understand exactly what you saw. Learn survival skills it's all good stuff

This is in the vein of Dasam Granth's warnings of treachery of mayadharis (Chaitropakhiyan) via getting into discussion of the forms it can come in ...or are you squeamish about that approach ?

What approach are you even talking about. I really don't understand anything you're saying.

As for your other stuff....you are forgetting everything I've said on this forum. I am a vegan. Meat is self-explanatory but you'll remember from my previous messages that I also refuse to drink milk not only because of the extreme cruelty involved but also because it is in line with my family's way of only eating those things that are sourced locally so do not leave any carbon footprint..........things Sri Guru Har Rai Ji taught us all. So, don't give me any lectures about 'naturally growing things' as opium poppies and mind altering mushrooms and other severely intoxicating leaves are also 'grown naturally'. A drug taking Singh and Kaur can come up with any excuse for taking cannabis they want but, at the end of the day thats all it is....just an excuse. The fact is, they like the drug buzzz.

What's wrong with you? Stop excusing backward stupidity in Sikh society.

.......says the man that came on a thread and ruined it with his bigoted casteist hate.

Useless muppet. Doesn't know Punjabi. Doesn't know anything about history. Has nothing of value to add to any discussion so just comes along to every thread on the forum and, like a demented bufoon, finds a way to turn it into an anti-rural Sikh message. Do you have any redeeming qualities at all Dallysingh and is there any thread on this forum that you're not going to come and spoil with your casteist nonsense ? or....are you on a personal mission to spoil every single thread here ?

but these abusers are not using as Guru ji taught it is a medicine for post trauma /surgery so the problem is of misusing gift of pain relief/medicine which slows blood loss just for getting a 'legal' high (in terms of sikhi)

I use it in homeopathic dilutions for my patients so I wouldn't personally know of the buzz but I have seen people who are treated with it get better from their ailments. There are two types Sativa and Indica creating the current hybridized tree

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/06/19/indica-vs-sativa-understanding-differences/

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/08/15/sativa-vs-indica-types-marijuana-infographic/?utm_source=mantis&utm_medium=recommend&utm_campaign=mantis

Let me tell you something jkvlondon. The year is 2016. It is not 1716. In 1716, if me and you as a fighting man and woman were slashed with a sword anywhere around the world, whether Punjab, Peru or Kenya, the best thing to ensure our wounds don't get infected and we don't die was if one of our colleagues pulled his pants down and urinated on our wound. As disenfectants go, it was the best performing disenfectant there was. But, as I said before, it is now 2016. It is no longer 1716. Old matey no longer has a need to p*ss on me as there are plenty of wonderfull disenfectants etc one can buy from the shops and there is no longer the need for a so-called 'Singh' to take narcotic substances in the name of treating infections and putting him in the right frame of mind as this modern age now gives him a family doctor from whom he can obtain some anti-biotics and beta blockers.

There is nothing more evil in this world than Singhs and Kaurs who poison the minds of our young and justify drug taking in the name of religion.

What a pathetic excuse for pendu behaviour.

Not sure why you thought you should....once again....try and bring your extreme anti-rural Sikh bigoted prejudice into this.

Especially as, the last decade has demonstrated, most of the 'worst' Gurdwara fights have occurred in 'Labana' Gurdwaras in America and the Labanas are not from rural areas of Punjab. They are urban. But, as you've demonstrated time and time again of this forum Dallysingh101 you do not let facts come in your way. Whether the thread is about cakes....cars....bread or flowers you will always, without fail, find a way to bring your nonsensical and deep-rooted hatred of rural Sikhs (jatts) into every single thread you visit here.

Bwaaaahhhhh!!"

And who is that supposed to be directed at ?

Remember what we discussed a few seconds ago......about most of the Gurdwara 'fights' emunating in Labana gurdwaras ?

Not sure, but pretty certain it would be very hard for the Labanas to herd goats...i.e. bbrrrrrrrrrrr in the urban areas they come from.

I don't know what exactly you think Sukhnidaan does, but drinking/eating cannabis and smoking it do not have the same effect. I did a lot of both in the misguided days of my youth.

I know much more than you Balkaar. I've drank it only once in my life and that was at a very famous historic Gurdwara in Punjab during a religious mela. I drank it with the Singhs and nothing happened. I sat there with the sangat like normal. Nothing happened. One hour went by. Two hours went by. Nothing happened. Then - as the almonds etc ensure that it is digested extremely slowly in the body - as we approached the third hour the whole thing hit me like a hammer blow at once. And thats the key point that you might learn here, as you don't seem to know how it works, in that it is the equivelent of a weed smoker who smokes 3 joints a day to not smoke all day and smoke all 3 for one giant 'hit' in one go at the end of the day because thats the way it works......it is designed to hit the brain in one go like a hammer blow after a period of digestion.

Anyway....as it hit me, I ran from the Gurdwara, stole someone's bike, rode through someone's sunflower fields with the tune of Zorba the Greek playing in my head, ended up in the centre of that strange pend, joined in a conversation with some people where I mostly just stared at them and time went very very slowly. Very, very, very very very slowly. And then I lay down and did nothing as time continued to go very very slowly.

Any of you filthy, dirty drug enthusiasts who want to corrupt the minds of our children by singing the praises of these kind of intoxicants need to seriously evaluate how it could possibly infuse the fiighting spirit and capability of a man in the heat of a battle. It can't. Its just an excuse for people who like the drug buzz to justify it in the name of religion.

look at the level of dilution too : shaheedi degh is 5 leaves in the whole thing whereas there are handfuls of leaves and buds in hindu 'bhang' which you are referring to.

Shaheedi degh uses hormesis - the property where minute quanitities of a substance has the opposing effect to larger quantities

http://www.siomi.it/siomifile/siomi_pdf/articolo_01.pdf

In all my life, having in the past sat with bhang drinking nihungs in Punjab, I have NEVER EVER come across any that actually practice the 5 leaf tradition in practice. However, in all my life. I have always met drug addicted Singhs that 'talk about the 5 leaf tradition' as a way of justifying their fondness of drugs.

Perhaps we should all use that same excuse with the Police and Judges. Lets all start buying and smoking a quarter sized portions of crack cocaine and when the police arrest us we can tell the judge "No...No....you don't understand. I shouldn't be arrested like those junkies because the amount I have is purely a spiritual amount and can't mess my mind up at all" ?

Dirty filthy junkies corrupting the impressionable young minds of our sons and daughters by trying to justify drug taking in the name of religion.

There is colonialisation of the mind taking place here. Just because Christians have a religious tradition of their places of worship being serene, silent buildings it doesn't mean they can force those same traditions on me. Just because the Bhuddists have a reigious tradition of their Temples being serene, silent buildings it doesn't mean they or anyone else can force those same values on us. Don't let them colonise your minds. We have our own traditions. Our traditions, in our places of worship, involve calls to arms, loud war drums and even an order from our Guru that any Sikh that comes to see him in our holiest places of worship MUST come fully armed to the teeth.

They have their traditions.....We have ours. Don't let them force their values on you. You are not second class human beings. Your traditions and values have just as much validity as theirs. We don't try and push our values onto them by saying they should copy us and allow weapons etc in their places of worship......an neither should they. When they do, you should have enough ankh and pride to tell them where to stick their traditions.

Both, the recipe is believed to have come directly from Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself in Nihang folklore. Also known as sukhnidaan or Sukha... Medicinal purposes include killing pain from injuries. These were times when there weren't such things as pain killers.

Look at rastafarah and some Hindu sadhus they still use cannabis to aid meditation.

And what exactly do you think it is that a billion Hindus have been drinking every ;Holi; for the last 2000 years so that they can lose their senses and do nonsensical things ?

Any Sikh that thinks a substance that makes you lethargic and lose your perception of time and space as well as hand/eye co-ordination is usefull for a warrior in the heat of a battle where he has to swing multiple weapons and be aware of multiple enemies....in real time, is seriously deluded.