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  1. It seems like everybody here is doing manmat. The topic clearly went out of hand. The user simply asked about shaheedi, where it was referenced in Gurbani etc. Not to suggest he was debating it but merely asked to see if anyone would have an opposing answer as to the katha he listened to. Instead what do all the moorakhs start doing? Yup, debating the use of mala (majority of them promoting the use of the manmat). How sad, how typical. This is my last reply here as I have not only unfollowed this topic but also will not be visiting this site again so all your replies are worthless as they will not be read by me. I hardly even went on this site at all. Where in Gurbani does it promote debating? That's why 100% LITERALLY ALL these moorakh debaters who use Sikh forums have achieved nothing in their life, they all have no Gursikhi jeevans at all. Which strong rehat practicing Gursikh actually takes the time to go onto a forum to debate something which is clearly manmat? Whether or not some users may or may not find it manmat, the point is debating it is just as bad. The only reason I came here is because somebody mentioned this topic to me. Reading the replies was so hilarious that it would be near impossible not to leave replies. And that's the end of it where I'm leaving it at. All because the user who created the topic simply mentioned that in the katha the parcharak or whoever was on stage must have mentioned the discouragement and disuse of mala, which is not only correct but could also be their own view for that sense. Yet little basement dwellers, bored, with nothing to do will just avoid the main questions which the user wanted answering to, and straight ask what is wrong with the irrelevant things like the mala or other minor things. The one who even asked about "who said using mala is wrong"... as soon as I read that I instantly knew he would promote it later on and boy was I right when I read his comments. Hey, why couldn't you simply answer the user's questions and topic instead of highlighting irrelevant points? I'm sure if the user wanted to discuss mala he would create a separate topic for it. Yet still embarrassed you when he defied your manmukh claims. But I know you'll always be living here ready to debate on an internet online forum. Keep it up, it gets you nowhere at all. Keep trying harder. Would be funny if you wasted like half an hour of your time to reply to this, which will not even be read as I stated above this is the last time I ever use this rubbish. Only thing to suggest to a moderator or admin would be to lock this topic permanently 1) because the topic is already out of hand, the topic went from shaheeds to debating the use of a mala by manmat doers and 2) a lot of new sangat will be reading posts and getting confused by debates on the uses of manmat as opposed to actual Gurmat practical methods that are explained in Gurbani by Parcharaks and Gurmukhs. But of course I wouldn't be surprised if the admins/moderators are no different to the manmat doing moorakhs here and want to keep things going because it fills their bellies for entertainment and they love have a laugh, when nothing here (well atleast in this topic) clearly promotes a positive Sikhi experience. Thats why I know for a fact nobody can debate the comments I posted above where I involved Gurbani translations. It's also why I only posted the translation and not the actual pangti in Gurbani for I have satkar, unlike the rest who will actually disrespectfully post Gurbani where foul and manmukh behaviour is being displayed. Shame on you all. SABH SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI, GURU MANEO GRANTH. AKAAAAAAAL
  2. All you can do is talk talk talk, and no proof proof proof. Just like the rest of the manmat doers here. It's why I debated you all and disproved you all. And your excuse against that is that I'm 'taking it out on innocent people in this topic whilst liking my own posts'. What does the liking my own posts have to do with anything? It's hard to even take you seriously, only a little kid talks about "shanti" especially over the internet LMAO! If you want to talk about shanti go do it outside. Simply stop encouraging manmat and have some faith in the Guru. You still cannot answer my questions and prove where a Guru used a mala. It's like your own selfish, delusional mind purposely is creating that one block of margin thought in the back of your head that a guru either had or used a mala; just so it can add some little satisfaction to your fantasies. But as soon as I debate it and disprove it then BOOOOOM, destroys your satisfaction. How exactly would they be novices then if they have memorised Gurbani? If anything you and the people you mentioned are the novices as one should know that nobody's santhiya will ever be at 100%, and that everyone is a novice in the eyes of the Guru. I know many Gurmukhs who have memorised bani and may time to time still want to read from Gutka sahib in front of sangat, so that they dont want to give way the fact they know the bani memorised. Does this mean that they are a novice? No just means your a delusional person who will bark anything on the internet. One clear point: no matter HOW MUCH YOU BARK, how much you wanna try and bark that there's this evidence or that so called evidence, you will never EVER be able to post one FACTUAL EVIDENCE that any Guru Ji used or wore a mala (and by factual evidence I mean actual evidence, like a pangti in Guru Granth Sahib Ji) for bhakti, at all. Surely if Guru Ji had mala why would they just leave it to people to discover their artififacts, put it on display and just simply rely on that? Rather than actually inscribing it into Guru Granth Sahib for the whole of mankind/humanity to know? That's what easily destroys you. Damn moorakhs. Stay put.
  3. The manmat doers and moorakhs have smelt the smoke from the barrel. Kaboom.
  4. I suggest you immediately do ardaas to the Guru for you mind to come to realisation for you are promoting moorakh and manmukh views here. How can you even use a painting of Guru Nanak in your picture. WHY ON EARTH WOULD SOMEONE NEED FAITH TO BELIEVE THAT A GURU NEEDED A MALA? WHERE IS THE LOGICAL SENSE IN THAT? I'm convinced the low remaining brain cells in you must somehow be the reason to make you post such things. Even if a Guru Ji did possess it the point is that they never ever USED IT FOR THEIR BHAKTI. Therefore it is extremely wrong to compare ourself to the Guru, by saying that it would be ok to use a mala if the Guru Ji used on. These things take no faith, only manmat/manmukh mentality to want to believe a Guru Ji used a mala or even had one. It is nowhere near the symbol for any Gurmat or Dharm as it is not stated anywhere in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. And another moorakh view.... are you seriously going to convince people by comparing a Gutka Sahib to a mala? where does it say Gutka Sahibs are for novices? They are there to READ FROM, to LEARN FROM, PRACTICE FROM. I know many people who know bani memorized yet still read from Gutka Sahib to make sure every bit of their santhiya is correct. I would strongly urge you to not post on this topic or this forum ever again (I certainly wont be if you read my next post after this) so that no one reading your comments will lose any brain cells at the things coming from you.
  5. There you have it, NOBODY can provide pangti's as much as I have which clearly discourage a mala, as opposed to using one. Try and actually post one Gurbani pangti, not suggesting a bhagat used a mala previously or not, but one where it says a GURU JI used a mala for spirituality or a pangti which encourages the use of one. EXACTLY. SABH SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI, GURU MANEO GRANTH. AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
  6. And dont forget to rub your fat belly with lotion while you are undressing, preparing to face the entire sangat with your manmat and cynical views, while all other Gurmukhs reach there success. Next you will be encouraging the use of rakhriya and interfaith marriage too. Word of fact: you are not God and never will be. You are a mere kid who everyone thinks of nothing as a troll. That's why you stay hidden and quiet wherever Gurbani is presented, you cynical little boy.
  7. It's even clearly explained in SGGS how mala is manmat, but of course people are going to leave that behind.. Here, Lord, take back Your mala. (656, Kabir) Ever since this worthless son of mine began chanting with his mala, we have had no peace at all! ||1||Pause|| (856, Kabir) (Now with this pangti it might suggest that Kabir used to use a mala, it doesn't suggest he used it throughout his whole life to concentrate on, that's why in the first pangti Bhagat Kabir even says to the Lord, take back the mala. Always funny to notice the manmat doers twisting this pangti to suit their own cynical views.). You chant on your mala, and beg for money. No one has ever been saved in this way, friend. ||3|| (888, Gur Arjan Dev) Apply ceremonial marks to their foreheads, hold malas in their hands, and wear religious robes. people think that the Lord is a toy. ||1|| (1158, Kabir) O Brahmin, you worship and believe in your stone-god, and wear your ceremonial rosary beads. Chant the Name of the Lord. Build your boat, and pray, "O Merciful Lord, please be merciful to me."||1|| The mala is around your neck, and the sacred tilak mark is on your forehead. You wear two loin cloths, and keep your head covered. If you know God and the nature of karma, you know that all these rituals and beliefs are useless. (1353, 1) Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir) And here's what Dasam Granth says about mala too: CHAUPAI One of them wears a Tasbi (the rosary of Muslims) and the other one wears Mala (the rosary of a Hindu); One of them recites the Quran and the other one reads Puranas; The adherents of both the religions are foolishly dying in opposing each other, And none of them is dyed in the love of the Lord.20.
  8. Hey everybody! Lets all get our malas out so Guru Ji can bless us with a 100 years to keep calculating in numbers how much simran we can do. That's the most ridiculous thing, actually encouraging others to partake manmat. Who knows what a sant/mahapurash's reason would be for using a mala? I certainly know it isn't for 'concentration' as if they really a mahapurash then they would be way above that, on such a stage that they can automatically focus and concentrate simply by reciting the Gurmantar. What would be the need of a mala? I've read your comments and it seems clear enough you are promoting the use of a mala indirectly. Either state Gurbani pangti's that encourage the use of a mala or everything you say is considered a joke and will not be taken serious. It seems like you live on this forum and debate with others, where does Gurbani promote that? Exactly, nowhere. Debating gets you nowhere. At all. Nope.
  9. Exactly! Thats what these manmat doers don't seem to realise. They cannot provide any Gurbani pangti in the true sense, rather will provide bani's which have nothing to do with covering the actual topic. Good reply. They obviously think they are using dhian with their mala's lol by focusing on the hand and not on the sound. If they do ardaas to maharaj he may bless them with correct understanding. Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir)
  10. Well they're clearly not "facts", I'll tell you that right now. After reading your post it seems quite clear that you indeed are promoting manmat by encouraging the use of a mala indirectly. You clearly refer to a mahapurash doing this and that, rather than the Guru. What is the need to even look at a mahapurash? In your view are they higher than a Guru? That we should not search Gurbani for an answer as to whether a mala should be used or not and instead just look at the sant for the answer? By simply saying that it is comparing one self to the mahapurash. Read my latest posts here as I too have posted the bani which discourages the mala, and I have respect not to post in Gurmukhi. Nobody interpreted what you said but told the truth so stop encouraging manmat.
  11. You chant on your mala, and beg for money. No one has ever been saved in this way, friend. ||3|| (888, Gur Arjan Dev) Apply ceremonial marks to their foreheads, hold malas in their hands, and wear religious robes. people think that the Lord is a toy. ||1|| (1158, Kabir) The mala is around your neck, and the sacred tilak mark is on your forehead. You wear two loin cloths, and keep your head covered. If you know God and the nature of karma, you know that all these rituals and beliefs are useless. (1353, 1) Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir) Proof right there that mala is discouraged in SGGS. If you're gonna do something then post it properly, not just one sided. And also I have respect to not post a pangti in Gurmukhi on a site where foul language is used by vile people like that 'lol^^' loser who's up in cuckoo land.
  12. Where does it state he used a mala throughout his whole jeevani? It's to say he knew it was wrong to use on. Think twice next time. Stop encouraging manmat. What proof? A picture? How is that actual proof? Anyone could have put a mala and labelled it as Guru Ji's. You cannot even explain why a Guru Ji would need a mala. Therefore it is you doing manmat when Guru Granth Sahib Ji states nothing to use a mala. To show the Sikh Sangat what exactly? Was their message not divine enough for your brain to comprehend? Stop encouraging manmat by spreading false lies about the Gurus using manmat. It's stupid, makes you look stupid to say a Guru Ji needed to use a mala. Where in Guru Granth Sahib does it mention of any of the Guru Ji's using mala?
  13. I think you must be mentally ill. The user created the topic simply to ask where is shaheedi referenced in Gurbani. He wasn't debating it. You on the other hand using your own cycnical views most likely created a fake account to hide your real identity so that your online reputation doesn't get ruined. There are real Gurmukhs out there who are doing the practical (YES since Gurbani is based around the practical, and not just barking like you) while they strive to meet God and you sit on your couch doing nindia behind a computer. Just like the rest, you cannot prove a mala is allowed according to Gurbani and therefore you continue doing the manmat. What exactly are these "new breed Sikhs" as you speak of? As far as I'm aware they do parchar to encourage people to do Naam Simran, not sit on computers like you and do all the nindia you can. I'm sure if you actually read Gurbani you would know what is the consequence of doing nindia. We are not joking here either, you will be embarassed out of your pants if you ever dare to address yourself in front of the Gurmukhs inside the Gurdwara and try to argue there. But you will never have the courage to do that in front of a whole sangat in Maharajs' hazoori. What has coins and charity got to do with anything? You continue doing your calculations of Gurbani, counting this and that while Gurbani says nothing about that. And Gurmukhs will be reciting naam and reaching Vaheguru. Mark my words you shall regret your actions for you have not experienced Naam in any shape or form. If you did you wouldn't be sitting behind the computer debating on an internet forum about what is right or wrong. The Guru's are laughing at you right now. Again you prove what a joke you are when you bring up the clothing topic, were any of the Guru's naked at any time? Which sant mahapurakhs do you see naked? Any other religious/historical figure in Sikhi? Just because you like doing that doesn't mean you have to encourage others with your manmat tools. I am not joking, if you're going to encourage others to do manmat then prepare to face the consequences for you shall be punished. That's why the Gurus laugh at you lol. So keep on hiding behind your fake account, it's the only thing that'll prevent you from ruining your online rep on your primary account. SHOW EVERYBODY where in Gurbani is shaheedi referenced? Exactly you vile being, some low street boy who has never even heard Naam or had it pargat could just pick up an AK47 and started aiming it relentless everywhere, only to be killed and have a tip top moorakh like you saying 'Oh look the shaheed has gone to Sachkhand to meet Akal Purakh'. Not to say all Shaheed Singh's didn't have strong strict Gursikhi jeevani but someone like yourself is clearly defenceless when it comes to arguing about a Shaheed as Gurbani doesn't cover it. How are they sacrificing their mind to akal purakh when they are sacrificing something in the name of politics or the panth? However Puratan Shaheeds like the Chali Mukte, Banda Singh Bahadur, Baba Deep Singh Ji, Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Mati Das, Bhai Sati Das, Bhai Dayal were obviously Shaheed for their Guru Ji and had already reserved a spot in the Sachkhand. There is a clear difference from Puratan and 1984 times when Shaheeds sacrificed themselves for the Guru. Not to say that other Shaheeds didn't sacrifice themselves for the Guru either when many did in chaurasi. Point remains that your a little nobody who is lost. If anything it's people like you which I find disgusting, all the preachers and Gurmukhs carry out their parchar according to Gurmat, they use Gurbani pangtiya and perfectly explain them. You on the other hand like to show so much eerka only because you have achieved nothing what so ever. If you did then you wouldn't be sitting behind a computer. I am serious, go out there and present yourself in front of a Gurdwara, in front of the Sangat in Maharajs' hazoori and in front of the parcharaks/Gurmukhs and say everything you just said word for word. People like you think Sikhi is a joke and that it's ok to have your own manmat views but you should do Ardaas that may Guru Ji fix your cynical views.
  14. jagsaw you sound you belong to a stupid cult, no wonder taksalis ajks and nihangs all probably hate you
  15. I cant remember where but i heard that only a jati sati mahapurakh is allowed to sit and meditate on those tiger rugs otherwise that person will suffer from leprosy. I think they said it was from Baba Nand Singh Ji's bachan but I dont know whether it is true or not.
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