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You're absolutely correct Ranjeet Singh that there is a correlation between increasing literacy and declining fertility. One would hope that Sikh females can have the intelligence to nevertheless gain education as they should but nevertheless attempt to maintain fertility at above replacement levels for the benefit of wider society and the Sikh Panth as a future consequence (as increased wages with better education would also allow them to). Well said Singh. Sikhs should be at the forefront of adopting children rather than expensive IVF treatments Actually it makes perfect sense as to why Pakistani's would wish to see us as Sikhs remain divided. Well said Canadian Singh Ji. Combatting female infanticide has to be prioritised with immediate effect.

MISTERRSINGH: If I was a white guy who wanted to marry a Sikh girl and all I had to do was memorise verses from the Sikh scriptures and regurgitate them infront of a priest in order to make the marriage official, I'd struggle to keep a straight face. If the sanctity of the Anand Karaj hadn't already been adversely affected, this'll be pushing things towards "sham" territory. I'm amazed how Sikhs have jumped on this like it's a magical solution to this issue. Bhai Sahib Ji i understand your valid concerns but I strongly support educational parchar about Sikhi as a must for all couples regardless of background. It will reinforce knowledge of what Sikhi is all about and why the couples should be active members of the Sikh community and also raise their children as Sikhs. Though undoubtedly a few crooks might creep through the net the overall effect will be overwhelmingly beneficial to the Sikh Panth. MISTERRSINGH: The problem is we're a minority as it is. Our numbers aren't the strongest. We can't play at this stuff. We don't have that luxury at all. This is a half measure; a sticking plaster over a gaping wound. If I had my way I'd go the whole nine yards and insist the Akal Takhat pass a universal ruling that only those who've taken Amrit can have an Anand Karaj. Sure, it's throwing the kaka out with the bathwater, but then we'd see how many are truly serious about Sikhi. It'd punish those who have an affinity for Sikhi who aren't Gursikh (amongst other knock-on issues), but at least we wouldn't be open to accusations of double standards or racism, etc. There's just so many related issues that branch off from this seemingly basic problem; issues that will have a long lasting impact on things beyond the Anand Karaj. Oh well, I suppose all religions and philosophies go through periods of change where the problems and issues of the age affect them. It's to be expected as the years roll by. I shouldn't get too caught up in these shenanigans, I'm sure wiser and more knowledgeable Sikhs than I have a plan. I agree with you Bhai Sahib that people are simply not factoring the reality that in Diaspora societies we are surrounded by a 99% non-Sikh population (indeed even so in India outside of Punjab). However, I believe that this education about Sikhi is a step in the right direction. Anand Karaj being reserved for Amritdhari Sikhs might be a possible solution so long as a Sikh Marriage Blessing is available as an alternative at Gurdwara for all those others that desire their marriage to blessed at a Gurdwara. Does Guru Sahib (Shabad Bani) feel insulted or suffer Beadbi depending upon the convictions (that only Akaal Purakh can truly see) of those that circumambulate Guru Sahib? I personally do not believe so. BALKAAR: The only way we could ever be sure that the prospective bride and groom are practicing Sikhs is if they are Amritdhari. Maybe, but that might generate an even worse problem. If it becomes mandatory for budding couples to have received Pahul, is it possible that non-Sikhs might take Amrit so that they can then marry a Sikh? How will these infiltrators be weeded out? A test? We will just run into the same problem all over again. Perhaps we should just make the whole thing so protracted and complicated for those not of our people that the non-Sikh decides they would rather bail and give up than continue with the marriage, lol. Balkaar Singh Ji i think you rightly identify a lot of issues. Restricting Anand Karaj to those that profess to be Amritdhari like Sukhbir Badal whilst alienating the 90% of Sikhs that are sehajdhari and the 5% of that are Kesdhari non-Amritdhari's without offering the 95% majority of the community at least a Sikh Marriage Blessing as suggested would be a total recipe for long term disaster to our Panth's demographics. True. We should do our best to explain the benefits of the Truth of Sikhi but we can't really act as the thought police as only Akaal Purakh can judge. RANJEET01: A lot of good points made,maybe the best solution would be to have only Amritdharis have Anand Karaj. Speaking for myself, I think that if decided so by the Sarbat Khalsa that could be reluctantly supported however, with the vital fallback that all sehajdhari, kesdhari and other couples that desire for their marriage to be blessed at a Gurdwara are still able to receive a Sikh Marriage Blessing at their local Gurdwara at the very least. STARSTRIKER: They dont even know, that anand karaj's were only for amritdharis originally. Bro this is what anti-Sikh opponents of Singh Sabha ideology like to portray in some books. However, the reality is that sehajdhari and kesdhari Sikhs have always been accommodated in Anand Karaj and furthermore to this day couples where both spouses are from non-Sikh backgrounds are blessed in matrimony via Anand Karaj. Given how Hindu and Muslim marriages are predicated on money and the burden they impose upon the poor, it would break my heart if such couples were turned away in the future. Bhai Sarbjit Singh Rangila, Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale, Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa have also bought thousands into Sikhi via support for their subsidised Anand Karaj seva. JSINGHNZ: Anand Karaj has always been for Sikhs and never only for Amritdhari's "originally". Agreed brother but remember that Anand Karaj in of itself is an affirmation (if sincerely proferred) that the 2 participants are indeed Sikhs. Bro i don't think MisterrSingh Ji scoffed at the idea but rather had reservations as to how it too could easily be breached by insincere parties. But you are absolutely right to support this education about Sikhi to all couples (regardless of background) as only by educating people about the Truth of Sikhi will they believe in it and become a part of the Gurdwara Sangat and thus raise their children as Sikhs if we handle everything sensibly seeking to include rather than alienate. The Sikh Council's advisory is emphatic that youth cannot turn up to protest and block as that is very counter-productive to the interests of the Sikh Panth moving forwards. SIKHISTAN: And all Sikhs are supposed to be Amritdharis after 1699 Brother all Sikhs are meant to strive to become Amritdhari's but it is counter-productive to our own interests as Sikhs for the 95% majority of the Panth that are sehajdhari and kesdhari to be excluded from the Panth (as not being Sikhs according to your definition). HRMAN: Sir (we) are on the path of brahmins , then next (we) will say Only amritdhari can enter darbar hall ,Only amritdhari can read Guru Granth Sahib , Only Amritdhari can have langar at gurudwara . This is not Sikhi ,Guru Granth sahibji is not for so called "Sikhs" only .its universal thats why Guru sahib included the contribution from (Gurmukhs and Bhagats of previously) Hindu (or) Muslim (parentage) ....You ppl are doing just opposite ,you are doing beadbi of Guru Sahib . Bhai Sahib Ji i agree with the intent of your message. I can sincerely vouch that MisterrSingh is not part of the biprenwaad element determined to make Sikhi as small and microscopic a population as possible but was rather pointing out his fears for our Panth's future. I absolutely share your pain and frustration at where it seems some elements of the Panth want to lead the Panth. I strongly and fervently feel Anand Karaj should be made the number one mode for marriage within India as it would free hundreds of millions of poor families from the onerous financial requirements imposed by Hindu and Muslim marriages and that the same could be a springboard for millions to become new Sikhs as was the case at the height of Singh Sabha parchar in the first four decades of the 20th century. Just to add Veer Ji that the message of Gurbani is consistent and Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj, Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj and Dhan Dhan Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj, for example, despite being born to Hindu and Muslim parents all roundly rejected everything about Hinduism and Islam and condemned both Hinduism and Islam as evil ideologies built upon slavery and oppression. Ancestry is irrelevant and conviction is everything in Sikhi. Brother, as far as I understand the course is for everyone (as it should be). Failure to commit to or understand Sikhi would mean the option of a Sikh Marriage blessing would be offered. Importantly people turning up in masks and hoodies to block a wedding being blessed at a Gurdwara would be avoided as that would have been disastrous in the long term had that been allowed to continue. Even a willingness to participate without full conviction or understanding shows an element of respect for one's partner's faith in Sikhi and via educational parchar that can be built upon into translating that into a sincere belief that Sikhi and Sarbat da Bhala are vital for the betterment of the world we live in. Anand Karaj in of itself has always been an affirmation that both parties are Sikh. This is an attempt to gauge a couple's sincerity on that. Bhai Sahib i agree that there may be cultural Sikhs who have such an agenda but there also others (including Amritdhari GurSikhs) who are absolutely horrified at the suggestions that a Gurdwara would close it's doors to those who wish for their marriage to be blessed at a Gurdwara (as opposed to any other religious or secular institution). Maybe I'm slightly liberal but I would genuinely like to see hundred of millions of Anand Karaj's throughout India and the world whereby two erstwhile non-Sikh spouses come into Sikhi and escape the lies and financial obligations imposed upon the poor by Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. Sikhi can be hundred of millions strong in a short amount of time this way with a new expanded Khalsa Fauj of millions able to do seva globally for the poor and the oppressed as a consequence. I recognise that may not be the path on which we are headed on currently given the determination of a small but vocal minority to turn Sikhi into a small exclusive biprenwaad cult practice that continually encourages the exlcusion of people from it's ranks (rather than the opposite as our opponents do to their advantage and our consequent disadvantage as a small minority). If a person says they are a new Sikh, adopts the name Singh or Kaur, can demonstrate knowledge of Sikhi and confirm their conviction of it and gets married by way of Anand Karaj ... what more do you possibly want them to do bro?

Absolutely brilliant and inspirational Singhs. That's a true GurSikh and real Sikhi in action (Sarbat da Bhala). If we focus on trying to emulate the actions of this GurSikh then the Sikh Panth can flourish for the benefit of all. Look at the positive PR generated by this Singh in contrast to the usual negative PR we often generate recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7cT2bUJxic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Etz40yrpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZhFTMeS22g

Proactive Bhai Sahib excellent posts as always. I fully agree with you that Sikh numbers have deliberately been deflated by the centre in every census all the way between between 1951-1991 particularly by excluding sehajdhari non-Punjabi Sikhs. However, I am not sure if our numbers in Punjab have been deflated in 2001 and 2011. In fact my suspicion is that they been massaged to hide the massive inward migration into Punjab which would not look good for the governing Badal Dal & BJP coalition. The fact that these numbers were delayed by 4years indicates to me a political calculation was done to keep Sikh masses in a slumber about our numbers. The wholesale proliferation of Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandirs in Majha and Malwa in this decade (particularly since the majority of those from the said so-called backgrounds were still Sikhs until 2011 is indicative of this gameplan being operated by our enemies). We do need to take the numbers seriously.

Following that line of logic (true) Sikhs constitute not much more than 2% of the Punjab population. The Sikh Panth includes non-GurSikhs. 2% minorities don't really tend to be able to defend themselves against state sponsored Genocide and discrimination. Undoubtedly they have Ranjeet but due to their billion plus co-religionists we don't always perceive this. We need to strive to include all so-called HP's that attend Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs to reduce native HP numbers further to boost our own. Essentially we need to turn Hindutva tactics back on those that hate Sikhs. The best Gursikh candidate to defeat the Badals in 2017 is HS Phulka Ji of the AAP. The AAP already hold all four Malwa MP seats. Exactly SikhKosh Ji. Sher Singh Ghubaya (MP for Firozpur) as a Sikh of Gujjar ancestry himself has spoken of the urgent need for parchar to Gujjars given that we do not utilise Mata Gujjar Kaur's ancestry as an educational inroad to facilitate greater parchar to them. The problem is we are not significantly better than other communities. The British ruled all of India with 100,000 men. My conclusion from our dire state is that perhaps we do not possess even 100,000 true Gurmukhs in Punjab as I firmly believe that every one of our problems can be solved via our own individual commitment aligned with like-minded Sadh Sangat. Us constantly railing at Brahmins is not helping us communicate the great examples of Gurmukhs like Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji. Particularly since a huge percentage of the Amritdhari Sikhs in Jammu & Kashmir and Uttarakhand are of originally Brahmin ancestry. Granted that the present PM of Pakistan is also of 100% Brahmin ancestry and so are most of the Pakistan flag waving Kashmiri leaders in India but we still desperately need to do more parchar to the Brahmins rather than simply railing against them on a generalised basis imho. No nation, no base and no Raj will ever occur any time soon if we become a minority in Punjab by the 2021 census. So all of us Sikhs need to unite and to smash biraderi and jatha-based segregation within the Panth straight away. Without addressing the problems of female infanticide, drugs, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer, poverty, alcohol addiction as primary priorities no Raj will ever occur. Once we have a 100% united, 100% literate people, 100% free from drugs Raj will become 100% inevitable - and not just in Majha and Malwa where we still remain a majority but througout all of India (as a pre-cursor to global Khalsa Raj - which means rule via justice for all).

StarStriker Singh Ji no worries at all and no need to apologise at all dost. I know how passionately you care about Sikhi so I knew that you meant it from a point of view of defending Sikhi so its all good. Despite all Sikhs having different opinions from time to time, we are one indivisible united Sikh Panth and nothing can stop us if we become United and stay United (no pun intended) on the biggest issues that matter.

The vast majority of new Sikhs in the early 20th century embraced Sikhi out of conviction prior to Anand Karaj. However, a not insignificant minority of the huge number of new Sikhs in that era came into Sikhi via Anand Karaj (particularly as wives). StarStriker bro use your logic on this for a minute. Muslims were a majority in those area's in 1947 (agreed). Pakistan wanted all of Majha, Malwa and Doaba in Pakistan in 1947. Now bear in mind the statistic that the Sikh percentage of the Punjabi population grew by more than 73% between 1901 to 1941. Imagine that happening happening in the next 40 years from now - that would be the equivalent of 20 million new Sikhs on top of our current numbers. So let's say we have 1000 Muslims in a village in 1947. That same village used to have 450 Sikhs back in 1901. But due to our Panth's population percentage as a proportion of the whole increasing by more than 73% during 1901-1941, the Sikhs in the same village now number 780 people, that altered the equations drastically (in terms of Pakistan not managing to annex Majha, Malwa and Doaba in 1947). So in short if Singh Sabha parchar and Anand Karaj had not bought the new Sikhs to the Panth that they did between 1901-1941 there was every chance the Muslim numerical supremacy would have made avoiding a Genocide of Sikhs in Majha, Malwa and Doaba much much harder to fight off. Take the Kharku Lehar after 1984 as an example. Do you think Sikhs would have better able to battle Congress if we had a 73% bigger population or not? The answer is obvious. Numbers matter. And I stand by my point that if the new Sikhs that came into Sikhi between 1901-1941 had not bolstered Sikh numbers to the point where we could combat and fight back the east Punjab Muslim death squads with broadly comparable numbers then east Punjab may well have ended up in Pakistan at the time. By the way it wasn't just your grandparents that fought to prevent the planned wholesale Genocide of Sikhs in east Punjab in 1947 and their planned subsequent annexation of east Punjab into Pakistan it was everyone's ancestors (including my own) as the choice was simple, either we fight to save ourselves in at least east Punjab where we had comparable numbers to the Muslims or we faced complete Genocide at the hands of Jinnah's Muslim League death squads. Exactly Ranjeet and think where we would have been in 1947 had Giani Ditt Singh Ji's Singh Sabha parchar not been instrumental in increasing Sikhs by more 73% proportionally between 1901-1941. It doesn't even bear thinking about if the Sikhs had not managed to valiantly save east Punjab from the Genocide that Jinnah and his cohorts had planned for Sikhs there. Ok that's good to read Cisco Singh that a Hindu Mandir wedding was avoided and that the marriage was rightfully blessed at a Gurdwara.

Look at the statistics Ranjeet Singh Ji. 32% of the Punjab population are from a so-called scheduled caste background. So in Pakistan those same castes were not allowed in to Mosques or to bury their dead in the same graveyards and hence mostly became Christians. But with Pakistani Punjabi's mostly being Muslim Jatts, Muslim Rajputs, Muslim Gujjars etc despite exclusion and discrimination against so-called lower castes the same population that became Christians only amount to 2million out of a Pakistani Punjabi population of 100million as Muslims have the highest percentage of so-called higher castes among religious communities. Similarly with the Hindu's the so-called SC comprise 16.6% of their population so if they all leave Hindu ranks en masse it won't plunge the Hindu's into minority status within India. Agreed that Jatts like Dhillon of the Radha Swami's and Sidhu of Dera Jhoota Sauda are hoodwinking their overwhelmingly poorer flock but why should we as Sikhs allow conmen to demographically harm the Panth? Conversely, in our case communities that were strongly associated with Sikhi right from the start (Ravidassia and Mazhabi) are being fed a narrative that they are better off leaving Sikhi and becoming de facto part of the Hindu fold as Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandir adherents. The net effect of which is that if 25% of the Punjab SC population (=8% of the total Punjab population) decides to swap the Truth of Sikhi for the lies of Hindutva apartheid philosophy over the next 6years then Sikhi becomes a minority in east Punjab by the time of the 2021 census. Agreed about Hindutva thinkers not considering the sword arm aspect but make no mistake that due to our own stupidy of not eradicating biraderi differentiation they are outboxing us big time. The last 31years prove that beyond doubt. Sikhi is not the problem. It is us Sikhs who are the problem who are ignoring Gurmat's clear instructions to us that we must destroy all traces of biraderi differentiation and matrimonial apartheid within our Panth.

Nevertheless Ranjeet Ji the point still stands. In as far as that Hindu's did not block wherever the marriage was conducted with the Pandit mumbling his nonsense. Whereas Sikhs will forever be associated in the couple's mind as the people who "blocked" them from having their marriage and arguably most special day blessed at a Gurdwara. Ironic given that it was always so-called high caste Qazi's and Pandits that pushed many of Punjab's poorer non-Sikhs (that these Qureshi caste Qazi's and Pandits vehemently despised) in the early 20th century to get married via Anand Karaj and consequently swell Sikh ranks as a result. Without the Sikhs that came into Sikhi via Singh Sabha parchar and Anand Karaj's of that era there was every chance that Jinnah could have annexed Malwa, Majha and Doaba into Pakistan in 1947 had the numbers been different.

That's exactly the point Ranjeet Singh Ji. Sikhs are not meant to have any affiliation to caste whatsoever. But the fact that some still do in 2015 and have even seen fit to segregate the community matrimonially and for worship purposes at separate Gurdwara's is a shocking indictment of us 316 years after 1699. How can we prevent Hindutva divide and rule tactics being employed against us via Balmiki and Dera Ballan Mandirs to push us into a minority in Punjab by the 2021 east Punjab census when half of the bhekhi's out there won't marry their sons or daughters to those from similar backgrounds as Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj or Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji to cite two examples. A community that practices matrimonial apartheid 316 years after 1699 is rotten to the core and should expect more discrimination and oppression from larger political entities going forward if it cannot reform itself.

Ranjeet Singh Ji i personally don't have any statistical analysis to support the common sense inference. But let's take the case of the Walsall marriage that was blocked recently this month. The couple just went ahead and got married at a Hindu Mandir subsequently without issue or protest. I would hazard a guess that they might feel more welcomed by the Hindu community as a result. And that they might feel happier bringing up their children attending Mandirs in the future as a result.

StarStriker bro if you look at the link on Hrman Singh's OP the link for figures is available there. I'm not quite sure about if 80% of Haryana becoming Sikh would have been realistically achievable given that the Jatts have always been notorious opponents of Sikhs in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs and comprised the majority of the Delhi police in 1984 like the Jatt Sajjan Kumar but we should still try our best with parchar even now. But for definite if we all work unitedly as a Panth (putting aside our differences to focus on what unites us) we can increase Sikh numbers to over 100million in our lifetime and from that point on future generations can start to dream of sehajdhari Sikhs becoming a majority throughout India. The consequent result of a massive increase in Sikh numbers will be that as the overall numbers for the Sikh Panth increase so will the numbers and quality of the Khalsa Panth increase just like in 1699 when we saw our Panj Piare coming from as far apart as Gujarati, Orissa, Dravidian, Potohar and Hastinapur geographic origins not to mention their different biraderi origins which Sikhi eradicated.

I agree Cisco Singh that the sanctity of a Gurdwara comes first before money. But pushing people away from Sikhi to get their marriages blessed at Mandirs and Churches and Dera scams is totally self-defeating for us as we enrich our enemies and strengthen their populations whilst weakening our own Panth's.

The problem is brother that: Sikhs are now less than 0.01% of the Pakistani Punjab population. Sikhs are now 3% of the Delhi population. Sikhs are now 4% of the Haryana population. Sikhs are now 1% of the Himachal population. Numerically in 2011 we Sikhs consituted 11% or so of the historic united Punjab populations. Whereas before the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 we constituted 13% of the old historic Punjab population. Bear in mind now that there are a greater percentage of Sikhs in English-speaking Canada than there in India. So we need to work hard on initially stabilising and then increasing Sikh numbers globally by any means necassary. Rather than continually look for ways exclude people from the Sikh Panth and then wondering why we are oppressed.

True. Rather than having the income go towards the upkeep of our Gurdwara's and the propagation of Sikhi ... Let's instead ensure that all such income goes instead to Mandirs, Churches, Derawad followers and corrupt Masands

Quantavius bro we already have such an organisation in place - the SGPC. The problem is it is riddled by corruption so we have to peacefully seize back control or set-up a parallel organisation which is fully transparent and accountable for every penny of funding. My sincere conviction is that if HS Phulka Ji and the AAP can sweep Badal out of power in the Punjab elections in 2017 we can reclaim the SGPC and increase Sikh numbers massively simply on account of Sikhi being the Truth. Recognising all those that attend Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs would at a stroke push Sikh numbers in Punjab to above 90%. The more people currently defined by our opponents as non-Sikhs recognise that they are members of the Sikh Panth the greater their adherence to Gurmat will become in time. No other religion defines those that attend for example, Church services, Mosque gatherings or Mandir puja sessions as non-Christians, non-Muslims or non-Hindu's so we have to ask why it is only us Sikhs as a 1.7% minority in India who since 1950 have started insisting upon labelling certain Gurdwara Sangat as non-Sikhs and then scratching our heads as to why our numbers are declining while everybody else seeks to boost the size of their own populations. Muslim numbers have grown in Punjab by 40% during 2001-2011. Christian numbers grew 20% in Punjab during the same period. And yet we have corrupt bhekhi's that find the time for conferences supporting Charitropakhiyan stories at expensive resort hotels but cannot give a damn about the threats faced by the primarily self-inflicted silent Genocide of the Panth in the form of female infanticide, drugs, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer, poverty, alcohol etc.

@ MisterrSingh Ji Bhai Sahib, I think the homeland debate is a dangerous distraction to the demographic reality in front of us. But you're absolutely right that the powers that be fear the Truth of Sikhi and realise that Sikhi is a dangerous revolutionary Truth that will upset the apple cart of their corrupt terrorist regime. We need to work from the ground up. If we are fully committed to the Panth as ordinary Sikhs and work unitedly there can be one hundred million plus Sikhs in India within our lifetime. That would represent the biggest casteless demographic within India. Such a demographic force would be pretty unstoppable from gaining momentum once it got to that level and could arguably turn all of present day India into an enlarged more modern version of Khalsa Raj as existed between 1801-1849. As what do our opponents have but the lies of caste discrimination and oppression to support their program of corruption and terrorism, which sustains itself via divide and rule and falsely categorising 79% of Indians as Hindu. The knockout blow they are waiting to deliver to our Panth is by some in our Panth declaring that sehajdhari Punjabi speakers are not Sikhs as that would consequently leave the Khalsa Panth (as 5% or so of Sikhs) as a 2% odd minority within Punjab without any political relevance.

Haanji Hrman Paji ehda ke 2011 di figure (1.7%) nu 2001 naal divide kareyo Ji (1.9%) 2011 percentage of Indian population (1.7%) = 89.47% of 2001 percentage (1.9%) figure. Thus the percentage decline of Sikhs as a proportion of the Indian population between 2001 to 2011 exceeds 10%. Jacfsing2 you will find the vast majority of homeless people in Punjab are in fact non-Sikhs. Given that the figures are four years old the Sikh percentage can possibly be estimated at 56% currently in 2015. A drop of 1% per year in the next 6 years will leave us as minority by the 2021 census if we don't urgently prioritise dealing with the threats of female infanticide, drugs, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, poverty, fertility, alcohol, cancer etc.

Brother I'm referring to: Matrimonial level apartheid where Sikhs are copying Hindu's and Muslims that only marry into there own wretched castes and with there own cousins to ensure the so-called bloodline purity of their pathetic castes. Hindu's and Muslims and Christians were always famous for segragating their Mandirs, Mosques and Churches on the basis of caste but now this disease seems to have infected Sikhs as well since 1984. Hindu and Muslim villages were always segregated upon a caste apartheid basis. This was not the case to the same degree amongst Sikhs but has become a more marked and pronounced problem over time as some seek to copy the Hindu's and Muslims on everything. Compare and contrast that to 1699 when all Sikhs were united in the desire to eradicate caste as Guru Sahib decreed. If we don't eradicate biraderi as a personal identifier within our Panth immediately and unite our Gurughars as a direct consequence then it is possible that Sikhs will be a minority in Punjab by 2021 instead of 2031 as previously thought.

Jagsaw Ji whilst i agree with you that a positive attitude in the face of adversity is what Chardi Kala is all about and that we should not box ourselves into a negative mentality by repeatedly proclaiming ourselves as slaves, I don't see anything positive to take from the Census results. The fall is the equivalent of the American population declining by 10million people in the 10years between 2001 to 2011. In all honesty it is hardly describable as a tiny fall (though it may appear so) and is very very significant fall indeed over a previous ten year period between to 2001 to 2011. The 3% drop in terms of the overall Punjab population actually equates to a 4% drop in the Sikh percentage (when we divide the 2011 percentage by the 2001 percentage) in Punjab. Across India the Sikh percentage as a proportion of the total population actually declined by over 10% in the ten years between 2001 to 2011. Bear in mind that it was strategically after the 2011 census that corrupt echelons of the state bureaucracy began their aggressive funding drive to proliferate Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandirs throughout Punjab given that Sikhs were already a minority in Doaba by 2001. Our opponents want to make us a minority in Punjab by as early as 2021. In contrast the Muslim percentage of the east Punjab population increased by 40% during the same ten year period between 2001 to 2011 (though statistically as a percentage of the total population it may superficially appear at first glance that their percentage has only increased by 0.4%). Now all of the old projections from 2001 onwards were that Sikhs would become a minority in east Punjab by the time of the 2031 census as a result of female infanticide, biraderi alienation, falling fertility rates, derawaad and drugs. However, the increasing danger is that Sikhs could be a minority in east Punjab by the time of 2021 census. As it will take a swing of less than 2 million people that enumerated themselves as Sikhs in 2011 to declare themselves as Dera Ballan or Balmiki worshippers in 2021 to turn Sikhs into a minority in Punjab by the 2021 census. Additionally on top of the state bureaucracy backed push for the proliferation of Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandirs in Punjab there is a parallel plan that all the Dera followers will be instructed to return themselves in the ORP category in 2021 ("other religions and persuasions") rather than as Sikhs. So in effect if a million people that enumerated themselves as Sikhs in 2011 declare themselves to be Balmiki or Dera Ballan by 2021 and if a million Radha Swami, Dera Sirsa, Noormehlia, Nirankari, Bhaniarawale and other dera followers also declare themselves in the ORP category by 2021, we Sikhs will find ourselves as a minority in east Punjab 10 years ahead of the Hindutva schedule. Furthermore bear in mind that the biggest demographic sub-component of the Punjab population is the so-called SC category with 32% of the population. The so-called Jat Sikh population is the second largest demographic sub-component with 25% of the population in east Punjab. We need to take this as a long overdue wake up call and pull out all the stops to totally eradicate separate Gurughars, obliterate self-identification on a biraderi basis and put an end to a vile and depraved matrimonial apartheid mentality that we inherited from the Hindu's and Muslims who are proud of their pathetic castes. Furthermore all Sikhs need to exit the reservation system. So-called Jat Sikhs have recently also been declared as a backward caste and part of the agenda behind this move was to divide all Sikhs at birth by caste-differentiated birth certificates indicating their respective backward caste status. Sikhs need to opt out of the same and operate a voluntary meritocracy whilst prioritising education and scholarship of the weakest sections of society for equality. We Sikhs in the Diaspora need to lead the fightback against making Sikhs a minority in east Punjab by striving to include everyone we can within the Panth, by uniting biraderi-based Sangats in the West and putting an end to depraved and self-defeating matrimonial apartheid segregation. By east Punjab becoming a casteless oasis hundreds of millions of Dalits outside of Punjab can subsequently flock to the Truth of Sikhi as a direct consequence of that. Instead of making Sikhs an ever smaller and more exclusive minority community as we have sought to do in the last 31years we need to forget about chanting slogans that will never achieve nothing but concentrate on actual concrete actions via time and money concentrated on attacking female infanticide, drugs, poverty, illiteracy, biraderi apartheid, cancer, alcohol, lack of employment opportunities for youth, etc. In the future, instead of holding fasts to death we need committed Gursikhs like Jathedar Surat Singh Ji to actively participate in the previous paragraph's objectives physically (rather than via hunger strike) as those are the fastest ways to create a united Sikh democratic voice which can credibly ensure justice for political prisoners and the victims of state sponsored Genocide. All those that wish for an end to rule from Delhi as a result of state-sponsored Genocide should realise that more will be achieved by pushing the percentage of Sikhs in east Punjab to 99% via actual actions rather than holding Diaspora referendums or rallies when the demographics on the ground in Punjab indicate that we are heading towards minority status in east Punjab unless we all do something about it right here right now. We can achieve more by backing a committed GurSikh like HS Phulka Ji as an AAP chief ministerial candidate for 2017 to sweep Badal out of power rather than holding diaspora referendums by the time that Sikhs could be a minority in Punjab. Forcing the millions of Anand Karaj's in India which have involved erstwhile non-Sikh participants to be conducted at Mandirs in the future will only strengthen our Hindutva opponents position whilst weakening our own. But the eradication of female infanticide, drugs, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, poverty in Punjab are absolute top priorities that cannot afford to be ignored any longer than they have been done in this century by our opponents diverting our attention on to orchestrated Beadbi or sloganeering which achieves nothing practical for Panth ki Jeet.

As per the India religious census data of 2011, released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner on Tuesday, the total population of India back in 2011 was 1.21 billion people. Currently in 2015 the population of India is estimated to be just under 1.3 billion people. In 2011, the Hindu population was 966.3 million (79.8 per cent); Muslim 172.2 million (14.2 per cent); Christian 27.8 million (2.3 per cent); Sikh 20.8 million (1.7 per cent); Buddhist 8.4 million (0.7 per cent); Jain 4.5 million (0.4 per cent), Other religions & persuasions (ORP) 7.9 million (0.7 per cent), religion not stated 2.9 million (0.2 per cent). The proportion of Muslim population to total population has increased by 6% by 2011 from 2001, the census data said. The proportion of Hindu population to total population in 2011 has marginally declined by 1% between 2001 to 2011. Falling most of all the Sikh population proportion declined by over 10% in the period between 2001 to 2011. There was no significant change in the proportion of Christians in India between 2001 to 2011. As per the 2001 census, India's total population was 1.029 billion of which the Hindu population comprised 827.5 million (80.45 per cent) and Muslims were 138 million (13.4 per cent). Christians in 2001 stood at 24 million (2.3%) of the total population and with Sikhs being 19.2 million (1.9%) back in 2001. The growth rate of population in the decade 2001-2011 was 17.7 per cent. The growth rate of population of the different religious communities between 2001-2011 was as: Hindus: 16.8 per cent; Muslim: 24.6 per cent; Christian: 15.5 per cent; Sikh: 8.4 per cent; The distribution is total population by six major religious communities namely, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain besides 'Other Religions and Persuasions' and 'Religion not stated'. Is it now about time that we focus on the basics of where our Panth stands in relation to social indices and the problems of female infanticide, drugs, biraderi apartheid, cancer, illiteracy, alcohol and poverty affecting us. With the Sikh population projected to decline to below 50% of the Punjab as a result of state-sponsored Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandirs re-classifying current day Sikhs into tomorrow's Hindutva slave votebank is it not about time that we focus everything upon uplifting the Panth rather than focussing on the same tired old sloganeering that has not achieved anything meaningful against the apparatus of a terrorist state which is backed and supported by the USA, Russia, China, UK, France, Canada, Australia, Japan, Italy etc. Hindu's in 1984 numbered around 600million whilst Sikhs numbered around 15million back then. Hindu's in India now number over one billion people and Sikhs in India are just over 20 million as a result of the systematic exlusion of sehajdhari non-Punjabi Sikhs from the Sikh Panth's population figures following on from the 1950 Maryada definition of a Sikh that was welcomed deliriously by Nehru, Congress(Indira) and Hindutva forces. Because at a stroke exluding tens of millions of Ravidassia's, Kabirpanthi's, Satnami's, Sindhi's, Balmiki's, Banjara's, Hindu Punjabi's (who had all previously been accepted as Sikhs on account of attending Gurdwara's and respecting Gurbani) prevented, from our opponent's point of view, a Sikh population in excess of 100 million back in 1984 (that Indira Gandhi would never even have dared to provoke) let alone how many Sikhs there could have been today in 2015. We can still get to the stage one day if instead of sending sincere Gursikhs to voluntarily rot out their lives in jail when our opponents get their goons to do Beadbi, we instead make sure to distribute 100 Gutke in non-Punjabi languages to disseminate the truth of Sikhi further and wider among the poor of India, Asia and Africa primarily. It's about time we look for reasons to welcome and include people within the Sikh Panth rather than looking for every possible reason to exclude people from being included as fellow members of the Sikh Panth. If our opponents succeed (due to our lack of action and urgency in tackling the issues that affect us by concentrating on the wrong priorities) in reducing the Sikh percentage of the Punjab population to below 50% by 2021, then it is almost inevitable that the following assault on the Sikh population will be to re-classify all sehajdhari Punjabi Sikhs as falsely being non-Sikhs. So that the opponents of Sikhi can permanently define Sikhs as a permanent demographic minority even within Punjab and as always they will use our own frontmen to inflict this damage on our Panth.

Big T in fact your figures are incorrect. Only 15% of Muslims are black Africans and it is fortunate that the number of black Africans was restricted to only 15% of the Muslim population. As had it been the 50% you stated that would only have been achieved off the back of hundreds of millions of poor innocent Africans being enslaved, raped and murdered by the Muslims. The statement "that they will convert to anything" comes across very poorly (even though perhaps you did not mean it that way). When you strip away a human being's identity, culture and language as the Christians and Muslims do and have done to black Africans they become susceptible to cultural domination more easily. Thus the religion of a proud slaveowner and slave trader like Prophet Muhammad who sold innocent black children into slavery for his own financial benefit is bizarrely seen as some sort of cult fit to convert into by vulnerable individuals. Instead of thinking that they will turn to Islam as Punjabi Muslims are very adept at lying to them, our focus with black Africans should be to educate them that Sikhi is the ONLY religion that opposes slavery unequivocally. Sikhi is the ONLY religion that teaches us that slaveowners should be burned to death rather than respected for being brutal slave traders like Prophet Muhammad. Sikhs do not fear any human beings. We only bow our heads before one God. Muslims on the other hand fear the clearly false and self-benefitting words of a slave trader that sold children into slavery like Prophet Muhammad. True that Muslims killed 90% of Sikhs alive at the time in 1762 - a Genocide unparalleled in percentage terms. A minority of African Americans are not "reverting" to Islam but are being CONNED into Islam. What moral legitimacy or relevance can Islam have for black Americans when the creator of Islam owned and sold slaves himself? A minority of the Africans shipped to USA were descendants of populations enslaved by the Muslim Slave Trade ie those Africans that were forced to become Muslim via the sword, rape and slavery by Arabs. Thus it is truly sad should an African American decide to swap one slave name for another slave name. Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, and the wife of Ali (Muhammad's cousin) herself owned several slaves. Caliph Ali even raped slaves with Muhammad's blessing (as the Quran allows) so names like Ali or Fatima should be utterly beneath black Africans and they should not forego their African heritage.