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  1. There was a time when even moneh Sikhs would shut down all jokes and loose-tongued talk of a disparaging nature which made Singhs the punchline if a Singh himself wasn't there to do it. Nowadays they join in with the rest of them.
  2. I had no idea numbers had dropped. I guess when I started going to Panjabi school as a kid in the 90's the events of the 80's (in terms of the anti-Sikh events in India) were still fresh in the Sikh consciousness, and I reckon that contributed to the huge swell in families wanting their kids to connect to their heritage, learn their mother tongue, and their faith. I'm quite disappointed that's no longer the case.
  3. Personally, I believe sacrifice is an essential part of Sikhi. I think it's basically about making that leap of faith and giving yourself upto something bigger than any of us, as exemplified by the moment when Guru Gobind Singh Ji plucked five men from a crowd who others assumed were walking off to their certain deaths. But, as we later realised, those five had such unshakable faith in their Guru they trusted his plan for them unbeknownst to them at the time. That's what taking Amrit is I think; "I'm yours, do with me what you will. I'm nothing." But, like I said, now there's none of that physical peril of the original moment in Sikh history, so in theory, all sorts step up in this modern era knowing it's all going to be fine. There's a few genuine souls who believe, in their hearts, that taking Amrit is a life-changing moment, and whilst their heads aren't at stake (literally speaking), their souls are. So, those individuals are the blessed few who get down to business and realise the golden opportunity they've been presented. Just my theories, I could be completely wrong BTW.
  4. You make it sound like the flicking of a switch. "Activate Gursikh mode!" It's a lot more subtle than that. However, I do believe there is something quite mystical, magical if you will, about Amrit, but I've always been a bit wistfully naive so maybe that's just me being silly.
  5. I don't agree with you on the above in bold, brother, but I can appreciate why you'd make such a statement. It's too easy for anyone to take Amrit and profess to be a Sikh of the Guru. Most of the time there's simply no desire to look within oneself to make improvements or work on deficiencies in character and personality that are the antithesis of what it means to be a baptised Sikh. Certain elements of the older generation, if I was being cynical, see it as a rite of passage, something to do close to or during retirement in the hope of erasing a lifetime of questionable deeds in the mistaken belief of being spared the ordeal of being reborn on earth again. But what excuse do the youngsters have for not bothering to continue learning and improving to become great and true Sikhs? For them, I suspect, it's more of a social thing. They swap the environment of the pub or the club for holier surroundings as if that's the whole battle won. The one's who haven't partaken in intoxicants or other vices still view Sikhi as something akin to supporting a football club, and all the tribalism and baggage such a mentality entails. I've never met a true Gursikh (as Gurbani states) in my entire life. Those who I've thought were the real deal eventually let their mask slip. I'm not asking or expecting perfection, because that's not possible or reasonable to expect any human being to be, but I've seen so many questionable people who've taken Amrit for suspect reasons, and then continue with the same mentality, traits and habits from before, that I just wonder what's going on. I've encountered a few non-Sikhs, and quite alarmingly, an atheist with more wisdom, knowledge, and patience than any baptised Sikh. That's quite a sad thing to realise.
  6. In addition to what I've highlighted above, once the impressionable have been ensnared, to keep them interested the insidious promise from some groups is gaining occult powers through following Sikhi. I wish i was joking.
  7. How would that work? I could take a course on Christianity or Buddhism and pass it with flying marks; does that mean I'm a Christian or Buddhist in those instances? Unless the underlying basis for this type of suggestion is that the person taking the course finds themselves drawn towards the Sikh faith whilst revising, and somehow they decide to become a genuine Sikh due to this newfound admiration and respect for the faith? That's a big "if" and human nature being what it is, many would treat such a course or test as they would a driving theory test or something similar. The process would be open to abuse, and dare I say, it'd be a bit of a joke.
  8. None of this would be happening if the committees weren't bent. When this hoo-haa dies down something needs to be done on an official level about these committees. I'd go as far to say if a few Gurdware need to be shut down, then so be it. They're taking Sikhs for mugs, and Sikhi is being dragged through the mud due to these greedy, naastik uncles and their disgusting greed. This should not be forgotten when the next hot-topic of the day rears its head. Act now and the situation is still salvageable IMO. Admittedly, it's 25 years too late, but still not too late to make a stand. Ultimately, we as a community must shoulder some of the blame too. If Sikh parents did their job correctly there wouldn't be this issue in the first place. It's also not about being a coconut or being exposed to western culture. I grew up in a single parent home, surrounded by non-Sikhs outside the home, my friends were non-Sikhs, I was a nerd who loved western literature and comics, I didn't like Bollywood or bhangra, yet I knew more about Sikh history at the age of ten than some people twice my age who were steeped in desi culture all their lives. There has to be an aspect of personal responsibility too.
  9. Not a problem. When i was a kid I learned Gurmukhi and Punjabi after using Romanised Gutke for a couple of years (where the Gurbani is spelt in English phonetically but when pronounced it sounds as if you're reading it in its true form), so if 7 or 8 year old me can do that, I don't think it'll be an issue for you. If you can, try to obtain English translations of Gurbani too. It'll help develop an understanding of what you're reciting, instead of just being something you speak out loud. Of course, any recitation of Gurbani is good, but a curious mind will want to know what's being said IMO. Good luck, you seem eager and excited, that's a good sign.
  10. I was barely away from being a toddler in the late 80's, and on the couple of occasions my mum took me to India in the early 90's I remember feeling how Singhs were respected and, dare I say, considered to be more manly compared to their moneh counterparts (I was a very intuitive child, lol). God knows what happened in the subsequent 5 or 6 years since that period, but when I returned to India in my teens I was disturbed to noticed a shift in mentality where the Singh was viewed as a relic from a bygone age, a lesser individual in some cases. Now, it's off the charts.
  11. I heard katha on the radio on this very subject a couple of days ago. The Giani Ji was discussing the role of wealth, money, and status in Sikh history (the accounts of Bhai Lalo and Malik Bhago, etc) and he graduated to a more philosophical angle about the nature of wealth itself. I thought to myself, "Here we go, you'll never hear a Sikh say money is bad for the soul, lol. Giani Ji probably retires to a luxurious multi-storied kothi in Chandigarh or somewhere similar when he returns home from his religious duties," but I became quite annoyed with my cynicism and decided to pay attention to what Giani Ji was saying. He mentioned that wealth in itself isn't necessarily evil or undesirable. He said that problems arise not due to the existence of money, but the failings in human nature that cause changes in our mentality when we are in pursuit of wealth or when we gain vast amounts of it. He went onto say that whilst it may seem on the surface that the causal event of developing ego, an unsympathetic demeanour, arrogance, etc, is due to wealth accumulation, but it is actually a weakness in mentality and a lack of enlightenment that changes a person for the worse who finds themselves surrounded by riches.
  12. By becoming a brahmgiani does one become God? So there's the original God and others? Or is it one gains God-like qualities or becomes one with God? A person cannot literally turn into God, surely?
  13. It's just the way things turn out for some of us. But sitting amongst the sangat when listening to Gurbani or vichaar is essential IMO. It's the communal sense of spiritual togetherness that Gurbani recommends if I'm not mistaken. However, I don't take it any further than that. In that case be mindful not to exchange one type of bad crowd for another, for whilst that kind of religiously social interaction - especially if you're of an impressionable age - may seem like a world away from your alcohol consuming friends, there's usually other vices that the so-called pious are riddled with beneath the surface, and before you know it you've been dragged into that world without even realising it, as Balkaar Singh points out.
  14. They had noble aims and you could argue their activities were essential on a social / street level (for as we know, life is not perfect), but looking to groups such as Shere Punjab for spiritual guidance is not the best way to go about it IMO. Equally, I'm wary of the "official" groups, sects, or Jathas that are numerous in this modern age - for good reason - so I'm probably not the best person to ask. I made my spiritual journey - and continue to do so - independently. There's enough resources without any catches or vested interests to allow you to do the same. Of course, if you're the kind of person who requires the company of others, the social aspect of it all, or constant affirmation of like minded people to stay on the path, then my way is perhaps not best suited for you.
  15. I don't think they were too concerned with representing the Sikh faith, and I think they'd be the first to admit it. It was more of a cultural thing whereby their activities happened to centre around people of a Sikh background. I dunno, maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but this topic feels like it's been started by someone who works for a professional outfit, like the BBC or a newspaper of that sort, in order to gauge Sikhs' opinions and attitudes to certain issues in light of the recent Anand Karaj discussions that have made headlines. I could be wrong
  16. leading question 1. a question phrased in a manner that tends to suggest the desired answer, such as What do you think of the horrible effects of pollution? just kidding.
  17. I agree, a balance between the two would be ideal. Admittedly, methods of naam Simran and discussing spiritual methods to connect with God would be quite abstract, but surely they are as essential as telling the sangat the same historical account of an event over and over... and over again, I.E. Bhai Bidhi Chand and his freeing the horse and their subsequent escape; as wonderfully inspiring as it is, so many kathavachaks retell that story that it's lost all impact IMO.
  18. Got to wonder what happened to the Kshatriya spirit of the Indians of that time, and the later fellas who were invaded on various occasions that saw the rise of the appeasing, cowardly politician-type figures that facilitated the Mughals and the British.
  19. Was that the same kingdom ruled by Shakuni, uncle of Duryodhana? I'm certain Shakuni was referred to as Gandhar Naresh.
  20. MisterrSingh


    Lmao, reading it back now it does seem funny. There was a very interesting documentary on the very subject a few years back on the BBC. I think there's something quite similar in the Jewish religion too - minus the talaaq - whereby some women are divorced by their husband, and the woman is left in a strange religious wilderness where she can't remarry until a certain condition is fulfilled by her ex-husband or something like that. Some of these Jewish women were waiting for 10, 15 years for the proper dispensation to move on, although I did notice in the Jewish instances the rabbis were a lot more sympathetic to the female's cause compared to the imams who were... let's say non-plussed, hehe. There was one Muslim lad from the north of England who didn't get on with his missus (she was UK born), and he texted her 'talaaq, talaaq, talaaq' to instigate the Sharia divorce, lol. Cheeky sod.
  21. MisterrSingh


    There's something similar in Sharia that's getting some bad press lately. Apparently, it's possible for a Muslim male to divorce his wife - from a religious Islamic perspective - by saying talaaq three times (not all at once; some guys use the first utterance of the word as a warning to the wife to buck up her ideas. The third time is supposedly the clincher), as long as the nikaah hasn't been registered legally of course. The system is open to abuse as has been evidenced by a few instances where the wife has gone to a Sharia hearing for a ruling from an Islamic scholar, in which instance the feeling is that the judgement almost always emerges in favour of the guy. Invariably, there's a few Muslim feminist types that have brought this to the attention of the western media with the obvious response being how despicably misogynistic the whole thing is for the wife. The last time I heard there may have been a legal ruling in the UK that insisted Islamic marriages must be registered, I could be wrong though.
  22. MisterrSingh


    Just be sure to not let bitterness consume you. Whilst the MGTOW lifestyle is great in theory, I've observed it's attracting a lot of angry, twisted men who lack any semblance of perspective and balance... a bit like the feminists they deride, lol! That's where Sikhi comes into play IMO, but you may disagree. This is a personal question so feel free not to respond, but will you be forgoing all relations with the opposite sex (you know what I'm referring to), or will you operate a no-strings policy?
  23. I know what you're alluding to. But there's a huge difference between being world-wise, street-smart (or savvy) and being genuinely wise. The assumption is that most Sikh youngsters who have their head screwed on straight may be pious but are "bhondoo", fools, unaware of the harsh realities of the world and how it operates, therefore these old timers hold no stock in idealistic thinking.
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