MisterrSingh

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If he ran even a semi-positive campaign that gave hope to the disenfranchised in the States - alongside the anti-Islamic rhetoric that's valid in a broad sense when he's focusing on the fight against terrorism - then his chances of getting elected wouldn't be so precarious. Many people in the West are concerned about the creeping threat of Islamic immigration, but they're more concerned about jobs, housing, the economy, and other day-to-day stuff that's more immediate. That is unless the media is solely fixating on his more outlandish pledges and ignoring some of the tame policies?

He does seem to flip-flop a fair bit based on the reactions to some of his policies.

I have noticed in the past couple of weeks how strongly the mainstream media have begun to rally against Trump. They're going for the 'nazi' angle quite blatantly. It's hyperbole, but it seems to have made a dent, especially with that recent abortion comment mis-step. Liberals, especially liberal females, seem to be averse to being lectured on sexual / sexual health issues that paint them in a negative light, especially from a standpoint of a traditionally conservative plaform. Apparently, having an illegal abortion is something they think isn't worthy of prosecution? :/ What an upside-down world we're living in.

Agree. From a purely Sikh cultural and social perspective, Islam can be countered by staying vigilant; by protecting and educating our youngsters before they're "got to" by an uber-politically correct climate that's heavy on appeasement and has pervaded much of the West, as well as the threat of the, "All paths lead to the One" religious brigade. In a wider social and political context, there's not much we can do to "fight" terrorism. But as I said previously, the average Muslim is not the villain of the piece. Unless there's some next level Sun Tzu / Machiavelli planning bubbling underneath the surface, I do think they just want to crack on with life like the rest of us. I can't say the same for the Jihadis, though.

It's 'delusions'. And I'm not. Plus, that doesn't even make sense in this context. What are you talking about?

I'm not American. Are you white American or English? Edit: Never mind, I think you're from a Punjabi background, but don't subscribe to the keeping of uncut hair. Is that right? No hate, just asking.

That's a bit TOO desi for my liking, lol.

"Peshi at 5 Singhs"? Is that like the Sikh equivalent of the 5 Guys fast-food place?

They're trying to get us riled up to fight their battles for them. Just keep reminding them their white leaders / governments / elected officials are the true traitors who've betrayed their country and the indigenous population. They can't counter that argument because it's absolute fact.

Gursikhi aside, avoid soda (any carbonated drink) at all costs. Lots of health conscious people drink water or something light even when socialising. Frequenting bars / pubs is, of course, your decision. Whatever you feel is best. Although, on the subject of fizzy drinks, does anyone else do the old desi indigestion remedy, with a glass of lemonade and a pinch of salt? You have to down the concoction before it rises over the rim, but it works a treat, lol.

I hear this from so many Americans, I'm beginning to believe they must teach this in their schools. Can't have the little kiddies growing up with a jaded worldview that the home of the brave and the land of the free was built on systematic acts of genocide against its native population. Diseases and a lack of immunity played its part, but that's like claiming after pushing someone off a skyscraper, "The nudge didn't contribute to his death; the pavement was his enemy."

Realistically, can Trump win? Genuine question for the American sangat on this forum.

To add to the above, Muslims are the 'effect.' They are not the 'cause.' Who creates and foments an environment - in the West - that encourages those within their ranks to push boundaries? They haven't just magicked their way into being, have they? It's the Establishment that allows them and anyone else to thrive in such circumstances. The White Establishment that we repeatedly vote for time and time again; the establishment - Left and Right - that's taking the public for fools. The difference between an admittedly diverse group such as Muslims - however homogeneous - and another minority group that doesn't follow a fundamentally proto-facscist political and religious ideology is that the non-Muslim group's raison d'être does not hinge on a belief system that directs its followers that in order to be a true believer one must propagate that faith in whichever way possible, peacefully or otherwise, dependent on the situational context of the environment in question, I.E. bide your time until a moment arrives where you will be free to enact a direct course of action. That ^^^ is where the White Western powers are underestimating the followers of Islam. The Establishment believes they (the West) are in control of the various geo-political games being played all over the world involving Islamic interests and parties, but ultimately what they've failed to realise is that the West has unleashed the genie from the bottle (no pun intended), and unfortunately now that it's tasted freedom it will never willingly return to its confines. Anyway, the Islamic "problem" is a smokescreen designed to disguise the sleight of hand being performed by our so-called leaders. The true crimes being perpetuated are ones involving economics and politics. The flash-bang of terrorism and immigration is just a flashpoint around which to focus people's attention whilst drawing attention away from the things we should be focusing on.

This is off-topic, so I'll put it in spoilers.

Agree. Not a conspiracy at all, but capitalised on with glee by higher-ups.Let's make no mistake: the Islamists think they're calling the shots, but they too are being played. They're nothing but patsies, albeit patsies who've been given free-reign for the moment at least. In fact, I pity the true moderates within their ranks - along with those of us who'll be mistaken for them - when society descends into anarchy. It'll be the average man and woman, as always, who'll bear the brunt of the inevitable and violent tumult of change.

The Right (worldwide) is playing the long-game, and I must say it's - purely from an objective viewpoint - an absolute blinder. Bad news for any brownies like us, though, or at least our future generations. In brief, the Regressive Left (supporters of the proliferation of over-zealous political correctness; women's lib (the extremist variations); toleration and appeasement of aggressive Islamic encroachment into Western society; unfettered immigration under the guise of humanitarianism, etc) are all methods of giving the Left enough rope to hang itself. And what will the people crave and demand as a remedy to these policies? The boot of the Right to restore order. When that boot arrives, it'll be unlike anything we've ever seen. If certain elements of the Left hadn't lost their heads and had remained true to their considered, egalitarian roots, none of what we're seeing now - and will see in the future - would ever come to pass. The next 100 or so years will be rather interesting. The instigator was 9/11. God knows what the denouement will hold for humanity.

It's one of the reasons some would say contributed to anti-Semitism throughout the centuries, I.E. Jewish money lenders.

They think you're trying to mess them about, i.e. stop them for gaining the opportunities that our elders had when they emigrated to the West. I don't doubt there's a few devious people over here who'd like to see their relatives wallow in a dead-end existence in Punjab, but most people express their misgivings out of concern. But it has no affect.

Didn't Guru Sahib give a hukam that anyone who considers themselves my Sikh should not associate with - in any shape or form - followers of Ram Rai, I.E. Ram Rahiyeh, as they're called?

That's actually another pertinent point you've raised, Singh Ji. They don't like being offered advice - no matter how tactfully and respectfully phrased - on situations or issues that will cause them problems or harm, coming from someone in a position of experience. Until they themselves experience the very same problems they were warned about, they just don't want to know. Of course, after what they were warned about has transpired, they sheepishly admit they were in the wrong. It's like a child who's told, "don't touch that fire, you'll burn yourself" and the child thinks, "I'm being lied to. The fire won't hurt me, it looks so warm and inviting." When the child ends up burning its fingers, it cries, "You were right, I was burnt." He was told that would happen, but he thought was clever. There's the saying, "A wise man learns from history, a foolish man learns from experience." There's too many back home who are all too ready to ignore history (those who have their best interests at heart and don't want them to succumb to previous pitfalls) and fall flat on their face despite repeated warnings. With that mindset, there is nothing, or very little, anyone can do but watch mistakes being made over and over again.

I like to think of it as the kind of subject that was discussed in Jurassic Park (the first one). The technology to create those dinosaurs wasn't unearthed by the scientists who were behind the park; they just took from the work of their forebears, built on it, and then slapped a label on the finished product and sold it. The knowledge wasn't acquired by them through discipline and rigour, therefore they had no respect for it, and accordingly were blind to the dangers ahead. They knew they "could" but they didn't stop to think if they "should." Then there's the throwing together of the human species with a long extinct species of animal, separated by millions of years of progression. You can't just skip that unthinkable period of time and hope everything will be fine when those two groups are thrown together A similar principle - IMO - is at play in regards to this particular subject. Too much, too soon, and things will invariably turn sour. That's what we're observing back home now.

I have a theory. It's not based on any scientific study, but just a few observations of my own. Britain's been industrialised - on the whole - since the 19th century. That process actually began in the late 1700's. So, Britain has transformed from a largely agricultural (dependent on specialist regional economies) pre-industrial society to an industrial society that was a leader in manufacturing processes and general capitalistic practices. Of course, the rise of information technology in the past 30 years is also something that's been a constant in modern societies. As I was saying, that process of industrialisation / mechanisation has occurred over decades and centuries. It's been gradual, it's been steady, and most of all, it's been a natural state of progression from one state of existence to another. It hasn't occurred in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking. As such, it's taken society - human beings - time to adjust and re-adjust and become accustomed to new ways of living and all the fringe benefits of living in a world that operates on the basis of mechanisation and technology. What I'm trying to say is that our conscious - as a collective and as individuals - has had time to soak up all the great changes and advancements made over the decades and centuries. It hasn't been like ripping a plaster off a cut, or pushing someone off a pier and expecting them to swim, and then expecting them to continue as if it's no huge change in circumstances. Punjabi society in India has not had those decades and centuries to compose themselves; to re-calibirate their mental faculties; to become accustomed to those great leaps forward in technology and, importantly, modern societal norms. Yet, they've been exposed to our way of life - on many fronts, be they visiting NRI's, the media, etc - and they've found themselves craving that same existence. The problem is that they haven't been able to progress towards that stage of existence in an organic and steady way. In essence, most (not all) Punjabi society existed, as recently as 25 or so years ago - in a manner that their medieval ancestors did in the middle ages. Aside from the odd radio or TV set or motorcar, vast swathes of people back home might as well have been existing in 1705 instead of 1995. How do you expect the human brain - particularly with a third-world mentality existing in a similar environment - to respond when the world suddenly reveals itself to be within reach? It would drive anyone absolutely insane. And that's what's happened. They have been tempted by the fruits of Western existence whilst still dwelling in the East, yet they haven't earned it and their brains are still hardwired to behave and process life in the old agrarian, pre-industrial way, yet they're being bombarded with images and sounds of shiny and bright baubles from a decadent West, and basically it's done a number on them psychologically because they haven't progressed through the requisite stages of existence to arrive at a stage of being where what we take for granted is, for them, something that is almost alien. And I don't mean "earned" in terms of money or status or class or anything like that. The use of "earn" in this situation is in respect to advancements on a collective societal level, not in a haughty financial sense. When simple people are given access to capabilities that are beyond their mental and psychological means, there will invariably be fallout. That's what we're seeing now with the obsession with materialism and consumer culture. They don't care how or where the money comes to wallow in the trinkets of Western life, they just want it more than anything else. That's why you get NRI's complaining about the lack of warmth and understanding from their families when they observe the changes back home. I'm not blaming Punjabi society at all. If anything, they're the true victims of these violent changes that just arent conducive to the kind of third-world societies and mentalities that are still ubiquitous over there. Anyway, just my theories, nothing concrete.

Define "wacko religious" and "it's gone too far."