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MisterrSingh

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  1. A lot of our people have lost connection with Waheguru.

    I sometimes feel envious of those hermits on top of the mountain away from the rest of human civilisation but we have to live "Ghristi Jeevan" and have to interact with people.

    Closer to bani and naam the happier you will be.

    I wouldn't get too disillusioned with the concept of Grishti Jeevan as an indicator of one's credentials as a true Sikh. You know as well as anyone we aren't supposed to relinquish the hurly burly of life for complete solitude, instead we allow ourselves to remain in the mire of everyday life and fight to become unblemished by its many challenges. At least that's what I think we've been I instructed to do.

    As for marriage itself, again, I wouldn't worry about that. As long as an individual isn't whoring around in secret (guys and girls) whilst presenting a false veneer of piousness and purity to the rest of the world, it's not something I consider a priority in terms of my personal circumstances. Coupled with the way western society has developed and continues to develop with its strange ideas of how people should live their lives, the odds are stacked against a man finding the life partner he needs.

    I'm sorry but the days of rolling the dice and hoping for the best are long gone. Marriage needs to be a shrewd, cool headed calculation these days; if not, the guy potentially stands to be ruined if things go wrong.

  2. maybe the spotlight is on the wrong type of keeping up , how great would the peace of mind and chardi kala of the people if they tried to read more bani than they did previously in the past year, month, week ; that they helped more people in need than they did last week ...we came naked and will go the same unless we gain kamai of naam and sewa to cover our nangej before we reach darbar...

    Bhenji, have you met Punjabis, lol?

    We give western white folk a tough ride for their atheist, consumer-driven lifestyles, but ours are worse in quite a few ways. I'm no longer fooled by the "matha-tek on a Sunday" crowd from back home. Whilst the odds are stacked against them in certain respects (the type of society they inhabit), there's also a clear resistance to change they COULD make if the will was there. They just can't be bothered. Like someone said, they're sheep. If one person is bucking the trend, they sneer and say it's wrong and they don't want to stand out. As soon as a few begin, then they jump on the bandwagon. That's the definition of a lemming.

  3. Sikhi is a missionary religion and any fool that says it isnt basically rules them outside the religion and must be treated with contempt. We must become hardliners because the softly softly liberal leftist anything goes approch has made a mockey of the faith and making it irrelevant in peoples 21st century modern busy lives.

    We're beyond and above these shallow labels. We're neither hardliners or pacifists. You're choosing to view Sikh through distorted, human-generated standards that do not apply to our path. I appreciate the gist of your argument, but if you know anything about the world we inhabit in its current state - judging by your posts you know quite a lot - the hard-line way for a minority such as us is practically suicide.

    We need to stop trying to emulate the inflexible Islamic ways of doing things. That way lies destruction. We haven't got a billion+ strong following to fall back on, AND, I'm sorry to say, our belief in our Guru and our religion is not as strong as the Muslims on the whole. Yes, you may argue it's a belief partly built around fear of the consequences if the party line is not towed, but it is what it is. That's an indisputable fact.

    We are more concerned with being loyal citizens in our countries of residence or running around trying to accumulate wealth or keep our spouses and children happy, etc. Our determination to follow our religion is gradually slipping down the list as the years go by. Yet, I still don't think going the mad mullah route is going to arrest that decline. When you've the likes of Sunny Hundal in the west brazenly thumbing his nose at fellow Sikhs to take him on (because he knows any ill-conceived move to silence him will instantly justify his warped stance on Sikh issues) we have to take a smarter approach.

    The mistaken notion that Sikhi is a wishy-washy, anything goes faith that's being pushed by certain parties needs to be the first area to be tackled. And you don't do that by going on the physical attack. You do that by using your brain and chipping away at these false notions peddled by non-practicising Western "Sikhs" in the media who aim to usurp the Sikh faith in the west and turn it into a weird desi CofE situation. We do that through preaching and reaching out to the ones amongst us who'd be receptive to the Sikhi doctrine, but have otherwise been dissuaded from the path due to the completely incorrect portrayal of Sikhi being dominated by angry intolerant guys.

    That's the first step to increase numbers. Yes, be "aggressive and assertive" in your aims to elevate Sikhi amongst our own people, but going the tub-thumping Islamic way will alienate a hell of a lot of otherwise receptive Punjabis who might've been attracted to the path. Nobody in this current society we inhabit wants to be labelled as an extremist of any sort, certainly not the meek, average, young, PC-riddled Punjabi who wants enlightenment through the Sikh way that's beginning to appeal to him after spending years thinking there was no more to life than than having a good time. That's just one example.

    The second step would be to clean house, and on that front I'm afraid I would change tack from the mellower, conciliatory approach I previously mentioned when doing parchaar to our own disillusioned, non-practicising Punjabis. The wolves in Gursikh clothing who populate the echelons of Sikhi across the world need to be purged. And they will understand no language but force. These fake holy men, their entourages, politically appointed jathedars, etc, cannot be allowed to suck the life out of Sikhi. They're taking us for fools. We need to deprive them of the oxygen to operate. That's another issue altogether and not one I'm prepared to discuss on an open forum.

  4. When we have real Dharmi Jathadars, no one will attack them. Instead Singhs would bow in respect and Satkar to them.

    I agree, brother. But remember the Black Cats from the 80's? Who's to say that instead of respecting and bowing to a true Jathedar someone masquerading as a Singh will stick a knife into him instead? It's not beyond the realms of possibility. That's why I said that whilst our grievances are justified and genuine, when the enemy makes their move they'll use our tactics for their ends. If we set a precedence, they'll take the ball and run with it.

    These are the chalakhiyan we should keep in mind. The enemy is resourceful and can get at us in many ways. We are not so fortunate. When we make the direct approach we leaves ourselves open in other areas.

  5. Be careful what you wish for. And be careful who you throw your weight behind in support.

    Whilst we can all safely agree that current Sikh institutions are infiltrated and compromised (can't even believe it's common knowledge, that's how helpless we are), there'll come a time when we'll have the Jathedar we all think is the correct appointment, but if someone were to come along and attack HIM for whatever ideological reason, then we'd all be up in arms in rage.

    I'm not knocking the young Singh though. If anything, it sends a message to those opposed to us that Sikhs can see through the 5h1t being peddled to us on an ever increasing basis. Passions run high, etc, but I wouldn't make it a regular thing. Once it becomes common practice to lay your finger on a Jathedar, as I said previously, when Waheguru blesses us with a true Jathedar who'll do the right thing by Sikhs and Sikhi, that particular Jathedar will inevitably have enemies and when the other side wants to make their move they'll use the same tactics. Got to think 2 or 3 moves ahead of these devious fellows, not get caught in t1t-for-tat.

  6. I'd argue it's always been a mad country, but only now are these issues being regularly revealed to the wider world.

    If they want to be a world player, dine out at the top table with all the big boys, then they need to come to terms with being scrutinised on all facets of its existence with a keener eye than previous years, not just expect the western nations to pander to Indian crowing about its increased economic prowess.

    Thankfully, the hypocrisy of the west means it's only too keen to bring such news to the rest of the world in efforts to indulge the old beliefs about the "colonial savages" from that part of the world, whilst giving the impression it has the moral higher ground. And I really like the west, lol, but facts are facts.

  7. Why is this Sunny Hundal guy so overrated in England?

    He's not even over-rated.

    He's the real-life equivalent of an internet troll. He wishes to provoke. There's also an element of him wishing to appear as a kind of "brave" crusading journalist exposing the seedy underbelly of Punjabi culture, laying it bare for the non-Punjabi masses as if he's broken some kind of cultural taboo. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so hackeneyed. The man's a contrarian, nothing more. It pays the bills. No integrity. These type of individuals can be bought like canned goods.

  8. When at college for homeopathic diploma one of my lecturers recounted an experience where the guy was gay but needed treatment for some other ailment , the doctor gave him the corresponding medicine and it had the effect unexpected of course that he no longer felt attracted to men , which devastated his partner and ended a long relationship. So I think it can be energetic too... at his energetics were brought back to normal for his body and that happened . No I wouldn't try to be devious and 'cure' someone of their life choice before you ask.

    That's fascinating. Of course, many gays would say they don't want to be "cured" but I'd guess there'd be a few who were curious. It would completely turn how we understand sexuality on its head. I'm not sure how the world would react. Designer babies aren't too far off. Something like this is the next step I think.

  9. I watched some of the reviews of the India showings and one Singh said, when one sees a Sardar in a movie then think there should be some comedy too. It's stereotyped in Bollywoods movie world that Singhs are seen as comedians.

    I wish I could say I was surprised but I can't. That Singh is brainwashed and he doesn't even know it. What a sorry state of affairs.

  10. Please see this article, because evidence would suggest that perhaps it is more nuture than nature:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11919786/Homosexuality-may-be-triggered-by-environment-after-birth.html

    If, in the future, homosexuality is found to be a genetic flaw that can be fixed, can you imagine the uproar from the gay lobby (is there a gay lobby, lol)? The ethical implications of a hypothetical fix are staggering. I bet you even if being gay is something that can be zeroed in to the DNA level, any such findings will be suppressed. The "narrative" being pushed by the west regarding homosexuality and its implications on society would be under threat.

    I believe it's a bit of nurture and nature. I'm not being funny, but we've all come across a young child in the course of our lives who displays, shall we say, flamboyant mannerisms from a young age, and I've thought, "That kid's gonna be gay when he gets older." How do we explain such a child who hasn't been abused, hasn't been exposed to any stimuli that normalises homosexuality to his young brain or anything like that?

  11. it's funny but as far as I know we are all one level , but politicos want to be head honchos ,in sikhi there is no such role it is a foreign concept implanted in our system strangling the freedom of spirit that Guru ji gave us by making us each a self-sufficient unit in charge of our own destinies. Those we see fiddling are not even Sikh by any means ....they are bheki sikhs guilty of crimes against their brothers and sisters and children

    I'm not too hot on contemporary Sikh politics and organisational structures, so how have these Sikhs like those you've mentioned managed to get into those positions in order to make decisions that aren't benefitting us as a faith but actively harming us? It can't all be a devious scheme by the Indians to chip away at us from within. Or is it?

  12. not you people like makkard, jagir kaur, bachana etc

    Oh right, fair play.

    Overall, in a perfect world your way is the best. It can't be criticised. But it's pesky human nature that gets in the way. That's what I go back to what I suggested yesterday that we make that difference and lead the way in our own homes and families. When enough of us do this in large numbers, there'll be an irresistible swell towards change.

  13. We are a complacent bunch!

    A part of me says let nature takes its course, natural selection and all that, but then my softer side kicks in and I feel "something" should be done that isn't being done at the moment. However, if I - an anonymous nobody in the UK - can see the issues that have and will continue to plague us in the future, then why are those at the "top" of the Sikh faith so oblivious? They're like a bunch of Nero's; fiddling whilst Rome burns.

  14. so your proposal is leave people in the dark fumbling around , and let them go backwards towards the prison that is bahmiwaad? Seems cruel and indifferent given that you know Guru ji has given us a roadmap to a better existence as humans ... I know we are of class 2 but shining a light on what Guru Sahiban actually said is not throwing out edicts ...but sure don't you feel the representative of sikh women shouldn't be a known kurdimaar , who is she to speak for women who has removed her own daughter from the world ?

    I am tired of the mockery made of Sikhi by these nalaik bheki 'sikh' people

    I'm a bheki Sikh now?

    Regardless, I'm saying people will follow a path because they want to, not because someone sitting on a stage somewhere says they must. These aren't the middle ages where everything is taken at face value. Life would be easier if it was, but it's not. People and human nature resists what's the best for them, so what do you do in that situation? If things were as easy as you're proposing, the whole world would be Sikhs now.

  15. education education education ...start re-issuing hukamnamey of Sixth Patshah , tenth Patshah so people know where we are coming from rehitnama of bhai Nand Lal is vital in this issue ...it is stated explicitly that to ask or act on jaat basis is to call Guru Gobind Singh's amrit PANI.

    can't get more clear than that.

    Also I have proposed that in Sarbat Khalsa they excommunicate certain panth drohi , I propose that we push the rehitnama which says Kurdimaar di beti,roti sanjh nahin karni ...and excommunicate JAGIR KAUR and her family on that basis ... end the evil that is selective abortions, not by shutting down clinics but shutting down demand for them .

    Main reason for daughters getting killed before birth is the evil of daaj and greed ...again Guru ji has given rehitnama for this ... I also propose that we put daswand to projects that educate and uplift girls and 'lower caste' children for free so they have better education than the mouthy 'casteists' and 'macho macho greedy people' and give them a full dharmic education including santhiya, itihaas and foreign languages.

    I believe religion (however you choose to define it) is followed for two reasons:

    1. By force: Forced conversions, inducements, basically making not following that religion a bad idea through threats implied or otherwise. Or in a less extreme way, passing down edicts from a distance whilst being completely out of touch with the people. Or on a more intimate scale, because our communities and families have done so, therefore it's a natural process of continuing trends. This path is normally the best for increasing numbers but it doesn't actually mean those souls truly comprehend or believe in the path they're on. Man can be fooled, but can God?

    2. A spiritual awakening from within that can be caused by many reasons, mostly because of events in our life that have resonated with us on a personal level that no amount of preaching or convincing has managed to affect us previously. Imo, this is true belief. It's personal.

    Throwing out edicts and passing religious laws that are fundamentally sound in all respects is great on paper, but if the people don't FEEL it or relate to it, then it's a futile exercise IMO.

  16. Okay, if we've 'progressed' in a particular direction but regressed in another, it just means we have to balance things out. I think it's an ongoing process.

    Since when have you ever heard of a group of people step back for a moment, objectively assess where they're going wrong, make plans to improve their situation, and then act on those plans as a collective to arrest whatever decline they're experiencing, lol? We're talking about human nature; Punjabis to boot, lol! The greatest civilisations in human history failed to turn around, or even identify in most cases, their declines even when all signs were pointing in that direction.

    No, 9 times out of 10 the realisation that things have gone rotten comes with hindsight, and if one's employing hindsight it usually indicates we're reflecting on a missed opportunity in the past that wasn't identified and acted upon at the time.

    Basically, try telling our lot they're going wrong somewhere, and you'll receive an earful.

  17. I too have been cut off from Sikhs and Punjabis for the duration of my formative years, and I'm sad to say I don't recall things being as bad as they are now. Things have changed - for the worse - amongst our people since my teens. I won't generalise, but it's pretty sad to see how much we've regressed as a people. Yeah, we've got the high flying careers, the qualifications, the cars, the homes, the disposable income, but we've lost something too. Oh well, it happens to all races and cultures, and has done throughout history. I think they call it progress, lol.

  18. so today is a new day ? can we not do something now ...jo beet geha so beet geha , agge din di socho....why do you think bahmin want us gone now , it's because our reach has been amplified by technology we can become widely known rather than restricted by geography as before.

    We can do it on a micro level starting at home, and then hope enough of us are doing it so that it becomes a movement that impacts on the macro level.

    Sadly, anyone that has aspirations of anything bigger (I.E. being the next Sant Jarnail Singh Ji) will be attacked and defamed by biased Hindu media, jealous "fellow" Sikhs and associated Jathas, as well as the usual disbelieving majority for who anyone that dares to challenge the status quo is an agitator. They can attack one man, but can they silence millions?

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