sikhstudent99

I am surprised there is not much done to address sexual abuse an rape in the community

Couple of days ago i was hearing some horrific stories of dirt bags in punjab an dirtbags who are punjabi who have abused young family members

An looking at some of the freshies from india some of them are extremely dirty perverted an you wouldnt trust them to babysit your kids

As well mass majority of women in prostitution an in adult film had bin sexually abused as children

May explain why certain sikh girls will run off with a muslim or rebel an hurt there family

Rupinder Kaur Chahal, with her mother Jagjit Kaur and father Gurdev Singh in their home in Deenashabib, hasn't seen her husband for 19 months. Groom Beant Singh Chahal is living in Calgary.

Photograph by : Ted Rhodes, Calgary Herald

This week was a fascinating one as we expected the verdict of ball tampering issue in cricket, then the AFL grand final ( yes, blokes from non footy playing nations outside OZ too are excited about this great game) and NRL grand final. But more than anything else what shook me during the week was the issue of Rupinder Kaur Chahal reported in the Canadian media. Having read this information and on the basis of previous reports, the question that I asked myself was " Can we call the these perpetrators sikhs simply because they were turbaned?

Historically, when a new religion was formed out of existing , it was natural that there could be manifold remnants of previous religions of the newly converted followers being added to the new community. But, in this process , it was necessary to shed negative and harzadous practices. The essence of a code of conduct ( Rehat Maryada) for followers emerged as a consequence of this kind of events. Discrimination against gender was so prevalent in the Indian society that specifically gender equity was promoted by sikh gurus. Sikhs were able to hold their heads high as sikhism was the only indian religion which promoted gender equity other than Buddhism. It has been recorded in sikhi literature that women were required to be held in the highest possible position as they were the ones who gave birth to kings, soliders or any person of might having had them in their womb for ten months. The sikhi approach to this existing issue was "how come women be inferior if they were to bear kings in their womb". Contrary to existing practices of hiding faces of women by a piece of cloth( Fardah)( Guru AmarDas banned Purdah) or confining them to the back yard when some one came to the house, sikh women were encouraged to be in the company of the male counterparts of the household in receiving guests.Thus, gender equity was openly preached in Sikhism.

There were many Hindu customs among the new followers of Sikhism and obviously there were repercussions of those considered to be negative upon the core values of the new religion( Sikhism).Among them, shedding away of Hindu influenced negative nuptial procedures was of significant importance. Having understood the magnitude of the damage that can be exterted upon the core Sikhi values , Guru Ramdas, introduced the Anand Karaj,the Sikh wedding ceremony literally meaning " BLISSFUL HAPENNING". Guru Ram Das emphasising the importance of a nuptial bond says ""They are not said to be husband and wife who merely have physical contact only. Rather they alone are called husband and wife who have one soul in two bodies". Guru Amardas was instrumental in banning socially unacceptable practice of SATI . Thus,Guru Amar Das occupies a special place in the Indian Sub continent in the same rank with Lord Buddha for uplifting the status of women and promoting gender equity.

Anad Karaj has an enormous social value. It symbolises the encapsulation of two souls as a one ( ONE LIGHT IN TWO BODIES) and from that moment the two souls travel together in search of the Amrit(Bliss). However, it is very sad that the meaning of the concept is loosing ground among the followers of the great religion in the face of western materialism.Sanctity of a marriage has been commented by Premila Kapur.She wrote "Marriage is a Sanskara and as such it is a sacrament and a religious bond which cannot be broken under any circumstances. Ideally, it aims not only at the individual's biological, emotional, social and spiritual fulfillments and development through union with a person of the opposite sex, but also at the development, fulfilment and welfare of the family, and through it of the society and mankind". (The Changing Status of The Working Woman in India, Vikas Publishing House, Delhi, p.6, 1975 )

Sikh nuptial requirements are clearly laid down and there are important points that should be adopted by a sikh family in a nuptial ceremony. They are :

Both partners must be Sikhs.

Marriage is a partnership of equals.

No consideration is to be given to Caste, Social Status, Race or lineage.

No Dowry is allowed.

No day is considered holier than any other; No astrological considerations are to be made; No superstitions are to be observed in fixing the date of the wedding.

The religious ceremony to take place in a Gurdwara or home of the Bride in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib

The religious ceremony must NOT take place in a hotel, wedding palace or Banqueting Hall.

Burden of the cost of the wedding to be shared as equally as possible

Going through the codes, one will feel as to why Guru Ramdas wanted to re organize a sikh nuptial code.It is obvious that the existing practices were obstructing the social development with too much emphasis on gender discrimination.However, it is sad that even in the modern era, the sheded practices dominate in the society of both resident and non resident sikhs. As reported from Punjab, our holy land, many NRI sikhs come back in search of brides in India, marry young women, seek pleasure in their company, demand money and leave the poor souls behind. Perhaps, the western kind of life style that they have seen from their western counterparts may be the reason for playing hide and seek games with poor souls in the land of their forefathers. Latest, pathetic story of the "beautiful princes", Rupinder Kaur Chahal is only a tip of the ice berg. The only question that I need to ask is if they are dowery hungry hindus( with appology to hindus living a dharmic life) in the Sikh Panthic form. Are we loosing our Sikhiness?

Bhai Gurdas writes, Seeing other women, do not cast a lustful eye on them, instead consider them as your mother, sister and daughter. The impact of this concept was so powerfully engraved in Punjab that it has been noted that a sikh in turban was trusted more than any body by women in Punjab as they were certain that a Sikh in Khalsa will not lay their hands upon a women for lust.I could remember a person telling a lady planning to visit USA, to look for a Sardar taxi driver and assuring her that she was definitely safe in a sikh man's hand. Will we have the same kind of recognition in the future if the trend of the nature given below will be followed. It is a point to ponder for the Sikh community all over the globe.

Read the story of Rupinder Kaur Chahal as reported by

Valerie Fortney; With Files From Michael Roberts, theProvince., Calgary Herald

Broken vows and shattered dreams

Each year, thousands of men from Canada, the United States and Europe return to India in search of a bride, promising to whisk them away

Her name means "beautiful girl" in Punjabi. Yet for Rupinder Kaur Chahal, her life feels anything but. The shy 25-year-old resident of Deenashabib, a plain village in the Moga district of India's Punjab state, says her life is over before it's even begun.

"I have nothing to hope for, nothing to do," the graceful young woman whispers as she lowers her head, tears dropping on to her baby blue salwar kameez, also known as a "Punjab suit."

Sitting in the dusty courtyard outside her family's humble stone house, an emaciated cow grazing in a stall next to the room where she and four other relatives sleep, Rupinder explains the source of her misery. A newlywed, she hasn't seen her husband, a Non-Resident Indian (NRI) living in Calgary, for 19 months.

"He promised he would come for me in three months," she says. "Now he is saying it will take seven years to get me into Canada."

Rupinder's story is an all-too-common one in the Punjab, the northern Indian agricultural state bordering on Pakistan that is home to 24 million, two-thirds of them followers of the Sikh religion.

Each year, thousands of men --some new immigrants, many of them sons of 1960s immigrants to Canada, the United States and Europe -- return to the land of their ancestors in search of a bride.

Young Indian women are paired up with NRIs, the couples finding one another through village matchmakers, relatives and the full-page matrimonial ads found in every local newspaper.

Once a suitable match is found, they typically marry in India, the weddings grand events with often several hundred guests.

The majority of these young women are later brought to countries like Canada, the U.S. and Britain, where they start new lives and families of their own.

But in recent years, far too many of these young women -- a good number of them from Punjab state -- have been left behind, waiting months, even years, for their husbands to send for them.

Some never do, and these young brides, having given up their virginity and their dowries to a husband who then disappears, are treated as social pariahs. The children of these marriages also get their share of scorn, with many, especially in the smaller villages and rural areas, labelling them the progeny of an illegitimate union.

Their parents are often left near-penniless after selling off their land and liquidating much of their net worth to get cash and jewelry.

The long tradition of dowry in India, in which the bride's family is required to hand over a substantial amount of money and gifts as an offering to the groom -- often worth thousands of dollars, in a country where 47 per cent of the population lives on less than one dollar a day -- was outlawed in India in 1961.

But the under-the-table practice, many observers say, is even more popular today than in earlier times.

The family of Rupinder Kaur Chahal, the pretty 25-year-old who feels her life is over, now has no dowry to offer any other potential mate. Their daughter, living in a kind of marital limbo, has nowhere to turn. After a large wedding only months earlier, she's not supposed to still be here, in the home of her parents. Her continued presence in her village is a social stigma for both bride and her family.

More in depth article http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=e5fd484b-22e5-4f49-9fbe-dc3bc057e2a7

Why waste time learning this stuff wgen sikhs should be learning boxing and muay thai an krav mega for modern day weapions combat

Like how dum is it to get tricked into thinking a muslim is a sikh

Jus watched documantry on sikh girls groomed

How as a community have we failed teaching some of these girls common sense

Sat Sri Akal,

I was born in California, USA, my father came to the states when he was 4, and my mother came when she was married at 17 (she was a city girl from india). My parents aren't too religious, but we do love God, and everyone around us. My question is why do Sikh families care if their children marry Muslims? My brother and I grew up dating whoever we wanted as long as they were respectful and kind. I am now in my mid 20's and I have an interest in a Muslim man.. But my parents say that they can't accept him. I'm baffled as to why that is, since they don't have an issue with any other religion. I am aware of the history between the religions, but why let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch? I won't continue dating him if it will give me trouble, but I'm wondering why is it that we're told to love everybody but are prejudice?

Thank you in advance for your kind, and considerate responses as this is my first time,

Parminder G.

Is he arab pakistani afghan?

Lol what happened to his followers who had bin dumb enough to believe him an thought that his martial art was effective

Well sunny hundal has now released a Q&A of his beliefs on this whole sham marraige fisaco of the past 2 weeks. He has now confimed to me wat type of person he is, as a poster on his thread asks him "Sunny does this mean you consider your brother (jagraj singh from basics of sikhi) radicalised? He replies with "Absolutely"!! His brother is the man, whos single-handedly changed the sikh community and our knowledge of sikhi and will continue to do so in this country and worldwide, via multi-lingual parchar, yet this guy has the nerve to call his brother jagraj, as radicalised! Unbelivable!

I dont ever remember watchin a video of jagraj's, where he has urged all sikhs to start killing all non-believers!

https://www.facebook.com/sunnyhundalorg/posts/879516755451742

R sunny an jagraj real brother

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gPaB8jFqlig&feature=youtu.be

Take a course in sikhi before being allowed to marry regardless if one is born into or out of a sikh family

When did this fashion of cutting hair replace glory being a sardar

How can sikh men be inspired to be sardars rather then mona

What can be done as well with growing number of sceptics and agnostics an atheists how can they apply sikhi in there lives without believing in god

Alot of atheists enjoy meditating could this be a way to connect with them

AN BIGGER QUESTION WHAT IS DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM SIKHI

Cause i have encountered people who dont really go to the gurdwara cause they think its boring or think sikhi is just a religion of rituals

Though they should know sikhi is about empowerment an not rituals but the way alot of gurdwaras are run it is easy to see where they get that idea from

In order to ban interfaith marriages wont we have to ban marriages of non amritdharis

Cause alot of mona are agnostic or atheist

We have youth in punjab cutting there hair an turning there back on sikhi an turning to drugs

Do you believe another bhindranwale will be born who will turn people away from drugs back to sikhi an being proud sardars

you obviously are not reading the forum well to think the above. Like many have pointed out to you Sikh men are having the finger pointed at them too. There are now many sikh boys/men marrying guji girls in our gurdwaras. There are sikh boys marrying muslim girls in our gurdwaras. There have been for at least 15 years now sikh boys/men marrying white goriya whether they are polish , british, latvian or irish.

Read the forum properly and then speak otherwise you tend to look a bit silly with your dated accusations

Singhberkshire its you who is obviously not reading the forum well not me an what i think above is correct

The topic is about stopping sikhs from

marrying non sikhs in gurdwaras

So it is you that needs to read the foum properly before speaking

An its you not me that looks silly an my accusations are not dates

Just seeing how your tone is when i read your message it shows me you are one of those insecure males

Cause what you did by sayong many sikh men also marry mon sikhs is what i have seen men do when they hear about a sikh girl marrying a non sikh they will say well there are alot of sikh men marrying non sikhs

Trying to imply if sikh girls marry non sikhs no big deal there are many other girls who love marrying sikhs

Bull

Haven't read all the comments, only a very small handful of out of faith anand karajs that have been stopped have made press.

I know of several anand karajs between males of sikh origin and non-sikh females have been stopped.

I suggest researching better before posting anti-sikh/gurmat nonsense.

Garch your the one who needs to do better researching before posting anti - sikh anti/gurmat nonsence

Also i have said yes it happends to sikh men marrying non sikhs but weddings being targeted are far more likely to be girls marrying non sikhs

In the community many men think its ok for a sikh male to marry a non sikh but get very insecure when it comes to sikh girls marrying non sikhs

Probably explains why a sikh girl marryimg a non sikh is far more likely to have her wedding targeted then a male marrying a non sikh

What should happen is any sikh male or female should be banned from marrying a non sikh in the gurdwara

do you have to be amritdhari to be a sikh

I ask because there is an interesting question going around regarding interfaith marriages

what if both the man and women are born in a Sikh family but both are agnostic or atheist an are getting married in the gurdwara cause they see it as a cultural tradition

would these weddings be banned in gurdwaras??

if a mona can marry in the gurdwara then can't a gora or someone out of faith say they are Sikh just to get married in the gurdwara

I know of a gora who married a girl from turkey an he pretended to be a muslim for a day just so they could get married

I know lots of cases of Sikh men with Christian brides being prevented so I have no idea why your mind is trying to convince you its a sikh 'girl' thing. In fact I was involved last year with the sitting down of an apna and his Latvian girlfriend (who incidentally was stunning......supermodel material). She wanted the Gurdwara wedding because of the lovely "colours" and "culture" etc. We sat them down and explained how Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is our living Guru as Sikhs and marrying in a Gurdwara in front of him should never be seen as simply a great photo opportunity for the wedding album. At the end of the conversation, she understood perfectly. I'm guessing they got themselves a registered wedding at the town hall as I've seen a little baby with them in the Gurdwara recently, and she seems to be really into Sikhi these days.

I think it says more about the shortcomings in your own thought process so might perhaps be an issue you need to sort out on your own ? What I mean is you so much want a certain thing to be the truth that you have convinced your mind that it is so and ensured that such a thing is the only thing you see and notice ?

You should be giving that advice to yourself cause your the one with short comings in your thought process

I know there are cases of men marrying non sikhs being turned away but at the same time far more men get away with it while far more women have people show up at the gurdwara to stop the wedding

As well why where you lusting for the latvian girl an what does her looking like a model have to do with the story

which city an gurdwara did this take place??

An not sikh men marrying non sikh women

I am against a non sikh being married in the gurdwara an this includes sikh men marrying non sikhs

LETS BE HONEST

A lot of men against interfaith marriages that only target sikh girls marrying non sikhs are insecure men with serious low self esteem issues who have massive insecurities

The palestinians would have not lost there land in 48 an 67 if thy including the other muslim country did not attack israel

THE LAND THE JEWS TOOK THEY TOOK WHEN DEFENDING THEMSELVES

Political leaders on both sides are to blame----but if israel was not attacked in 48 palesine would of bin an indendent state today I don't know much about the subject but may have a biased view and would love to learn more about this conflict----- didn't the jewish immigration start in the 1870's and I know there where indigenous people already there but a lot of jews and other arabs had immigrated to that region when the economy started booming and there was work available where before 1870's it was a very poor region---when Israel was created before the first war wasn't everyone living inside the Israel borders given citizenship even if they where muslim hence why 20% of Israel's population today is arab muslim----if the first war never happened then no one would of bin driven into refugee camps as well Palestine would be a state and they would of had a lot more land cause they had lost a lot of there land during the 48 war and then became occupied after the 6 day war----basically if there was no war to start with in 48 there would be no refugee problem-----but then again I have a lot to learn about this subject and would like to learn more so would it be ok if you could explain your point of view as well as correct what I stated as well isn't 40% of israels population middle eastern jews who have bin in the middle east for over 2000 years and are also considered indigenous people as well in the middle east an didn't they have there land taken away and get kicked out of countries like Syria Iraq at the beginning of the first war with Israel in 48?

Political leaders on both sides are to blame----but if israel was not attacked in 48 palesine would of bin an indendent state today I don't know much about the subject but may have a biased view and would love to learn more about this conflict----- didn't the jewish immigration start in the 1870's and I know there where indigenous people already there but a lot of jews and other arabs had immigrated to that region when the economy started booming and there was work available where before 1870's it was a very poor region---when Israel was created before the first war wasn't everyone living inside the Israel borders given citizenship even if they where muslim hence why 20% of Israel's population today is arab muslim----if the first war never happened then no one would of bin driven into refugee camps as well Palestine would be a state and they would of had a lot more land cause they had lost a lot of there land during the 48 war and then became occupied after the 6 day war----basically if there was no war to start with in 48 there would be no refugee problem-----but then again I have a lot to learn about this subject and would like to learn more so would it be ok if you could explain your point of view as well as correct what I stated as well isn't 40% of israels population middle eastern jews who have bin in the middle east for over 2000 years and are also considered indigenous people as well in the middle east an didn't they have there land taken away and get kicked out of countries like Syria Iraq at the beginning of the first war with Israel in 48?

Who do you support in the conflict

What are your opinions?

What should we do???

Dosanjh brothers can hardly be thought of as protectors of khalistanis, they were crooks. All these uncles/babay on both sides had/have lots of money, only reason the younger guys would help either side. The johal vs dosanjhs beef had nothing to do with the politics anyways.

The johal dosanjh beef had nothing to do with politics

dosanjh brothers were leaders of the sikh youth federation an were the most feared khalistanis in western canada

When bindy killed them the khalistanis were scared to say anything or do anything to johal

So the moderates took advantage an hired johal to be muscle for the moderates an intimidate the khalistanis when it came to gurdwara politics

Some of the old ppl in the community claim that during the election in which moderates won bindy was used by moderates to intimidate the fundementalist an there supporters an alot of the fundementalist supporters chose to stay home rather then come out an vote