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  1. Please provide the historical text stating this. Except he did say he was the Guru, That's why a hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji was issued telling Sikhs not to follow him, that's why Sikhs started leaving him in the droves, its why he lost control of his Spiritual powers too as Mata Ji cursed him . No-ones calls him a villain, nor was he one. Ego is a terrible foe, but Baba Ji eventually overcame it and died a true Sikh of Guru Sahib.
  2. I was under the impression that Bhalla/Trehan lineages also relate back to Bedi Clan as well and thus technically they were one giant lineage (extensions of the Bedi Clan) as they date back to the same forefather, or am I getting confused here?
  3. I'd like to direct you to Sri Kalgidhar Chamatkar. A short summary of this incident involving various past prophets is described there. Before Guru Ji came to earth, he was still meditating on Hemkunt Parbat and while he was meditating there, there were also other people doing similar penances. But they all considered Guru Ji their superior (or elder/Principle) due to the fact that Guru Ji had attained Waheguru and met with him. Anyways the other beings doing Tapisya all had their Gurus and all of their teachers came to them in their visions and told them about Guru Ji and why Guru Ji was going to earth and not to stop him in any way. These beings included Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Shiva. Most of the Tapisyees there were cautious about going to earth in the first place as they could see how it would trap anyone. Sant Harnam Singh Ji also had a vision with Jesus (along with others) coming to visit him and telling him how he wished his followers would adopt the path of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Bhai Lehna Ji were from the same family tree (the Bedis) so were blood related biologically, In Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Ji mentions how the Gaddhi would always stay in these families (Sodhis and Bedis).
  4. My mistake as I got 2 events mixed up. He thought she was in love with Ravan, he even got very angry over this fact and as a result Sita then merges with the earth and leaves. My facts aren't from Potatoes, they come from Sri Dasam Granth, You're free to go and read it, its apparent you've not and want to rely on more tampered sources for information about the past avtars. Sita Ji was exiled, this is fact as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji write this in Dasam Granth. Exiling someone due to gossip ISN'T Dharma. What People say is inconsequential to what is right, if people decided on a whole that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was heretical to their views and wanted to burn the Saroop, I guess by your logic you'd allow it as it would preserve the greater good's peace? I think the only one getting any information from Vegetables is you. Krishna Ji won through trickery, in a direct face of combat of strength he lost. Spoiler alert he lost, and he lost badly at that., it was only due to the fact Brahma appeared and with Indra they played a trick to reduce Kharag Singh's power by forcing him to perform his dharma and serve a brahmin and then give over his power to Krishna, alone Krishna wasn't enough so a joint effort of Krishna, Apsara and Brahma were required to kill Kharag Singh. No shame in that as if someone can't beat someone else in raw power then deploy tricks and work with other people. The only reason Krishna won was due to the presence of others, alone he wasn't enough as Kharag Singh destroyed him in combat face to face. That does not mean that the person who was doing everything is akin to a Sargun Saroop of Sri Waheguru Ji. I respect Valmiki Ji, I think he was a highly elevated soul, far above me. But as Sri Satguru Ji points out, he was also wrong in referring to Ram Chandar as God in any shape or form. A Portion of Akaal Purkh rests in us all, but that portion isn't the full divinity of Waheguru. Similar principle to the past yug's Avtars. Yes, that is one way of looking at it. But as a physical occurrence. No, that doesn't put any of the avtars in the same league as Sri Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. Satguru Ji is Akaal Purkh's Sargun form. Ram Chandar, Krishna are not. You can find this thought echoed by Mahapurkhs who have studied all the ancient texts and also studied Gurbani. I can draw conclusions from the Harry Potter books as well, but that doesn't mean that Harry Potter is suddenly Akaal Purkh Sahib. Your principles can be applied to anything, the hero of any story can now suddenly equal a Sargun form of God. What you've done is fall into the same trap that everyone from the past fell into, they started worshipping the servants rather than the boss.
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    Hindu Brahamin. Disgusting. What I would do if I was in charge of India? well the first thing I'd do is..... 1) Make Japanese the national language 2) Change the name India to Weeb World 3) rename all the states to various animes. Punjab will become "Naruto-World" Harayana will become "Bleach-verse" and so on. 4) make being a hipster illegal. 5) make sure all 52 genders are recognised. 6) make it illegal to call other people "uncle" or "auntie" . Man, that stuff is confusing as hell. 7) make Pot Noodles the national food. 8 ) change the national anthem to this... more changes to come.
  6. @BhagatSingh In their stories Ram Chander threw Sita out after he thought she was in love with Ravan, A Sargun Saroop of Akaal Purkh sent from Sach Khand wouldn't do that, Krishna Ji lost to Kharag Singh and even Brahma came to him and said that if he was to assume his true form of Vishnu then it too wouldn't be enough, more indications he was just another spiritual personality. If their stories are that of Akaal Purkh then so is every single being that comes into existence, their entire life story is that of Akaal Purkh as well. Their stories are about deeds and valour/misdeeds as well in some cases, but to compare them to a Sargun Saroop of Akaal Purkh that in itself is your own ignorance. I think once again you're jumping to conclusions and drawing out stuff that you want, not what's there. Nothing personal but I've read your stuff on SA, I know full well you use the same few verses to peddle your narrative. But Krishna Ji isn't the Jyot Nature of Akaal Purkh at all. He never was, he was an Avtar of Vishnu sent to take care of the growing Paap on the world, In Chaubis Avtar Guru Gobind Singh Ji describes how Akaal Purkh took a form to give Darshan to the Devtas and then called Vishnu over and ordered him to go and take Krishna roop to solve the issue. The Avtars came from the realm of Vishnu (this place is another plane of existence but not Sach Khand) while Guru Nanak Dev Ji came directly from Sach Khand. No, you're prospective is wrong from Gurmat, Sri Dasam Granth says it's wrong and so does Guru Gobind Singh Ji. You seem to labour under the delusion that all the Avtar from the Past are the same origin but Gurmat has always pointed out that they were not. The 33 Swaiyae even rip into Krishna as a character and point out flaws in his nature and character. I dare you to find a tukh in Gurbani which does the same for Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Any previous incarnation of Guru Nanak Dev Ji would never have been referred to in such a way. That verse as a whole is from different prospective. In Akaal Ustat Guru Ji does the same thing, he says that God is also demons, bees, politics, flowers etc. ALL can be considered the same coming from the same origin, in that state everything is the same, every single thing can have the same connotation that you are implying, a chair could be called an avtar of Waheguru. The Point of the verse was to show that God's Power was at work through the Avtars and that power was the one doing it all, Uggardanti Bani is amazing in explaining this. The tukhs ਮਾਣਿਓ and ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ are integral here and it's clear you're overlooking it and just reading the translations.
  7. The Stories of Chaubis Avtar are history regarding the deeds of various Purkhs from time. They're not metaphors as you're implying. They give darshan and live, breath and die like the rest of us. Albeit their life lines are aeons longer than the average humans. Sure there are internal lessons to learn, but the external shouldn't be ignored. Krishna the deity isn't Akaal Purkh Waheguru Ji manifest as Guru Nanak Dev Ji was, and will never be so.
  8. What do you define as Akaal Purkh?
  9. Calling someone Waheguru doesn't make them Waheguru. As Dasam Granth explains Krishna was an avtar of Lord Vishnu, he wasn't an avtar of Akaal Purkh, the same thing is said by Bhai Gurdas Ji and every traditional school of thought within Sikhi. I've read that part. Making a form like that isn't a big deal for any avtar, compared to Krishna, Arjuna wasn't spiritually elevated at all, to an ant even a human would be immeasurable. Avtars can make themselves into anything they wish, any density they wanted to take. Lord Vishnu did the same thing when he slayed Madhu Kitabh.
  10. Have you ever read the Dasam Granth? not flicked through it but read it? the amount of symbolism and linguistics go beyond the scope of an ordinary person, no it wasn't just for the ordinary person, nor was it meant solely for academics. If it was then Guru Gobind Singh Ji (and yes Dasam Granth is totally his work, this has been proven by multiple verified academics of the years) just re-translating , he wouldn't have excluded 90% of Markandaye Purana, changed entire portions of the Chaubis Avtar and then also added Brahma Avtar, along with new points about the Devtas going to Akaal Purkh for help, if you want "re-translations" then read Suraj Prakash Granth, some portions are re-translations of Sau Sakhi and follow it word for word. If you actually knew history (and going by your posts im sure you know quite a substantial amount) then you'd know Guru Ji already sent a select number of Sikhs to Banaras to learn Sanskrit and also learn all the Hindu texts. They were already educating the populous on the Vedic texts. Guru Ji had no need to do any more as he was already doing what was needed. That school (the Nirmalas) are still around and doing exactly what they were told to do. more nonsense. The names "Har-Rai", "Murari" etc were all names given to Krishna but they have a double meaning that function as names of Waheguru Ji. Using different names for the same person is a sign of great penmenship, it is hardly proof that these were Vyasa Ji's views. If you bother reading all of the Chaubis Avtar, you'd know that. No-ones waiting for Vishnu to save us. What a load of nonsense, we've pointed out that Kalyug will end at the hands of Kalki and no other because that's the task that Akaal Purkh gave him.
  11. The end of Kalyug will come at the hands of Kalki as Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote in Dasam Granth. We're not even half way through Kalyug, 432,000 is the number of years in Kalyug. 14,000 years within that is next to nothing.
  12. I'v not read the full Kalki Avtar section of Dasam Granth but on a whole, no. I don't think he'd have beef with anyone who's a good person, only the wicked ones would suffer his wrath. Kalki is meant to protect good people, in this instance there's a Brahmin (God orientated man) who worships Devi, he's a Pious man but his wife riles the King against him and they drag him to a temple of Devi and try to get him to renounce his faith, he refuses and as they're about to kill him, Kalki appears and saves him. He wrote an entire section about him, Yes it is something everyone, including us, should pay attention to. Like it or not but Kalyug will be ended by Kalki and no one else. That's his seva given to him by Waheguru.
  13. We're not even half way there my friend. There's about a good more badness to come.
  14. I mean what if he's the guy on top. Then he'll be the one bending the Sulleh over. Did you consider that part? I think not. Checkmate bigots.
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