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I am just saying this, we need to reform Sikhism, and thats simple. Another Singh Sabha movement, I mean people say it all of the time, but the things people hope aren't going to happen. The SGPC are just gonna sit there racking money, and not going to do anything for Sikhi. The thing that pissed me off is that they don't do anything aganist Punjabi music that promote drugs, alcohol, abusing women, and such, but they get angry over Nanak Shah Fakir that was going to help people learn about Sikhi. All I know is that the SGPC only cares about self interest thats it. I mean the good thing that the SGPC did is the movement called one gurdwara one village, and its been working. Some pinds have one Gurdwara now which is good.
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I am just curious regarding Sikhi, I am not having doubts and such. I mean questioning is a healthy thing as our entire religion was caused due to Guru Nanak Dev Ji questioning the superstition of the Hindu practices such as the worshipping of idols, sacrifices, and caste discrimination; however, I found that there are contradictions to this as people claim of miracles that Guru Nanak Dev Ji squeezed Milk and Blood from the Roti. Managed to capture a giant boulder with his one hand, and turn a bitter nut to sweet for Bhai Mardana. Another issue was that most of these miracles were written decades after his death and were composed as Janamshakis. Which is why I am concerned that Sikhism is going at a wrong path with people not understanding the truth and logic within Sikhi. I understand the reason why it happened since we abandoned our Gurudwara's, fleeing from Mughal forces while the Udasi's or Hindu Mahants took control of it. I feel that is the reason why we follow these fake superstitions due to these Brahmins as in the 1900s. There were reports of Brahmins picking up water and spitting it, women couldn't go inside and such. This issue still happens in the Golden Temple as we still pour milk on the floors. The milk can be used for starving children, and these are the exact same practices that the Mahants did. Another issue is with the Nihangs who do a lot of things that are against Sikhism. Such as sacrificing goats, worshipping weapons, and getting high on "bhang". Isn't this the exact same stuff that these Hindu's do. We also put garlands on the portraits of our Guru's which is blatant idolatry. I believe yes, we should respect the Guru's, but not through false rituals. We also do the exact same ritualistic things with the SGGS by putting it to "Bed", covering it with clothes and such. We are pretty much worshipping it as an idol. It appears that Sikhism has been influenced heavily by these Mahants. I understand that Kala Afghana is a controversial figure in the Sikh community, he has a lot of true points that Sikhism has been corrupted by "Brahmanvad". I feel that if we don't deal with these issues an entire generation of Sikhi will be left in doubt and confusion. Also, when I was a younger kid. My parents used to tell me not to eat meat on Tuesdays which is also a Hindu superstition. Here are some quotes regarding superstition and rituals in Sikhi.
ਰੋਗੁ ਭਰਮੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਮਨਿ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
रोगु भरमु भेदु मनि दूजा ॥
Rog bẖaram bẖeḏ man ḏūjā.
The mind is diseased with doubt, superstition and duality.ਆਚਾਰੀ ਨਹੀ ਜੀਤਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
आचारी नही जीतिआ जाइ ॥
Ācẖārī nahī jīṯi▫ā jā▫e.
Through ritual actions, God cannot be won over;As you know these threads have been made a bunch of times, but I hope that the younger generations like me will realize, as I am 16 myself.
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I don't know why there is suffering in this cold world, I see many innocent people dying even though they were religiously devout to God such as the 1984 Anti Sikh Riots. Why would God or Whaeguru do such a heinous thing to cause suffering and hell such as the 1984 Anti Sikh riots.
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8 hours ago, puzzled said:
Sikhs in India have no interest sadly. Gurdwareh are empty! no sangat at all! yet places like Dargahs are buzzing with crowds. I remember when i went India in December every Sunday this local "jaggah" dedicated so some hindu holly man used to have 100s of people within the complex, at least 50 people standing in the que to get inside at all times, musicians singing, stalls selling popcorn etc.yet the local gurdwareh on every Sunday at Rehras Sahib time used to have like 2 people sitting there! You really do feel hurt when you see things like that. Its like people have no faith in Guru ji at all but have faith in Shrines dedicated to dead people.
Another trend i noticed was is getting a kara made with your own name carved in it! Thats how far people have got from Sikhi there
That's true regarding the decorated Kara's, I see a lot of Kara's with people's last names on it. Its just a disrespect to the Kara itself, I also see a lot of people with gold Kara's too.
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Thank you for help fellas, I really appreciate it.
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The only way to counter these Christain Missionaries is to form a new Singh Sabha like in the past, we gotta help the marginalized Sikh's like the Dalit Sikhs who have been discriminated by Upper Class Sikhs and have been neglected. The reason why the Christain's are successful because they are aggressive, they send missionaries and promote their religion through many means, and that Dalit Sikh's are seeking help and are converting because they assume that the Christain's will promise them better education, supplies, and etc.
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I had these type of philosophical questions 3 years ago, but I am just curious and for some reason, I am still thinking about these questions. People often say we are living in Maya an Illusion, while in Sikhism we do believe in this Maya, but we don't actually believe that the Universe is fake, but created in God, but the only truth is in Whaeguru; however, there are Maya that trap us from reaching Whaeguru such as greed, lust, ego, etc, but I was wondering what does Sikhism view reality as?
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On 5/6/2018 at 6:34 PM, FreshMind13 said:
There were two Singh Sabhas
The one you mentioned with Khem Singh Bedi was the Amritsar Singh Sabha while the Singh Sabha we generally associate with is the Lahore Singh Sabha.
Khem Singh Bedi believed since he was a decedent of Guru Nanak, he sat himself on a throne and had people do Chaur of him as "Guru".
I reckon there was a third one, the Bhasaur Singh Sabha it was more radical and it was led by Babu Teja Singh who viewed that if anyone wasn't baptized as a Khalsa was considered a Sikh, and that anyone who associated with a Hindu was viewed negatively from that movement.
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17 hours ago, DailyMail said:
Where is your source?
I read it somewhere, but since I don't have the evidence, it is most likely false.
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20 hours ago, ZorawarSinghSaini said:
The problem with just keeping singh / kaur as a name is, when you get married, sometimes you might end up marrying your cousins or relatives, since everyone's name is the same, I don't mind dropping it, but it would get confusing if 20-100 million people are named singh or kaur . There would be problems with getting jobs , relocating , identity theft and more . As far as the name is concerned , i don't really care about it , I just care about adding numbers to Khalsa.
You got a good point, but you can just put the name of your Pind that isn't associated with caste.
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Isn't it kind of ironic that you are complaining about caste, but in your forum name you put Zorawar Singh "Saini" which obviously comes from the Saini.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saini
It's always Ironic how Sikh always complain about caste, yet they have names such as Balbir Singh "Bains" or Jagraj "Sidhu", and they complain, while I see those that talk about Khalistan have "Putt de Jattan" on their trucks, or on their facebook profiles. The hypocrisy we live in.
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Due to the fact that Hinduism was influencing Sikhism greatly during that time, and in fact there was caste in Sikhism during those days, the British had data of the population of certain caste of Sikhs like Jatts, and etc, during the time when they were carving Hindustan, the Mazhabi Sikhs wanted their own land, Majabistan , it also seemed that Master Tara Singh must've been responsible for causing the Dalits to not convert to Sikhism. As Tara was a Hindu Khatri Malholtra before he became a Sikh, and around that time Khatri's were discriminatory and had Hindu Practices. Even look at the Khatri's before Tara they were discriminatory as well, ironically one of the leaders of the Singh Sabha was a Bedi who was descended from Guru Nanak and wanted to be called Sanatan Sikhs and wanted to be associated with Sikhism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh_Sabha_Movement
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HI understand I have been making a bunch of forum posts which might be annoying, but I was wondering what is Sikh's view on the multiverse, I mean it doesn't deny or agree with it, and the Guru Granth only mentions multiple galaxies, solar systems, and such, but no Universe's, but do you think in Whaeguru's Hukam there could be multi universes
is Sikhism and its views on Reality is it an illusion, and that the Consciousness make's this illusion and that consciousness is an illusion? Even though Sikhi doesn't mention the Multiverse, there are mentions of realms which can be interpreted as universes.
ਅਗੰਮ ਅਗੰਮ ਅਸੰਖ ਲੋਅ ॥
Aganm Aganm Asankh Loa ||
Inaccessible, unapproachable, countless celestial realms.
ਜਪੁ (ਮਃ ੧) ੧੯:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪ ਪੰ. ੭
Jap Guru Nanak Dev“In so many ways, He has unfolded Himself. So many times, He has expanded His expansion. Forever and ever, He is the One, the One Universal Creator.” (Guru Granth Sahib, p.276)
“He Himself is the thread, and He Himself is the many beads; through His Almighty Power, He has strung the worlds.” (Guru Granth Sahib, p.604)
The issues is that there is no known definition of "worlds", it can either mean the universe or planets, but worlds can mean the universe as in other quotes of the Guru Granth they mention of Waheguru making countless planets and galaxies. “There are planets, solar systems and galaxies. If one speaks of them, there is no limit, no end. There are worlds upon worlds of His Creation. As He commands, so they exist.” (Guru Granth Sahib, p.8)
Here is one more quote which makes more sense than the other quote.
pwqwlw pwqwl lK Awgwsw Awgws ] (5-2)
paataalaa paataal lakh aagaasaa aagaas.
There are nether worlds beneath nether worlds, and hundreds of thousands of heavenly worlds above.So in your opinion, what is your view? For me, I just feel it matters on interpretation, I mean for me I think Worlds is unlikely for Planet as there are many quotes in the Guru Granth mentioning Planets and such as that quote before which means its likely Worlds can mean a universe.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43976977
https://www.sciencealert.com/reality-doesn-t-exist-until-we-measure-it-quantum-experiment-confirms
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11 hours ago, BhForce said:
While it's not possible to match up every aspect of Sikhism to Lanza, I do think he's on to something when saying that consciousness created the universe. Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins are wrong to say that matter created consciousness, or that consciousness doesn't really exist, it's just an illusion.
I should've collected my thoughts, but I mean its kind of neat that reincarnation and the soul can exist in a scientific sense, but I was kind of excited by this and wrote this in my head as soon as I can so sorry if I sound pagal
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So, in the past Robert Lanza was well known for his book and his theory of Biocentrism, Robert Lanza is a well-known scientist, and he had a theory in which consciousness created the universe and not the other way around, and in a way it connects with Sikhi, and eastern religions. Robert Lanza states that there is some form of afterlife, ie. Reincarnation, in which once we die we are reborn in a different universe, and such (multiverse). He also states that Death is an illusion, and such, I just feel it connects with Sikhism since we believe in Reincarnation like if we do not do good deeds, and recognize god, then we will be reborn again, and again. If you don't understand it, here are some links. Also, I know it says is death is an illusion which is against Sikhi which is a reason why we are reborn in Sikhism, because we do not recognize, or neglect it. I might sound insane, but I just feel that Sikhism in a way has a lot of connections with Science and this theory of Biocentrism as a whole; however, we will never know the mysteries of God. So for those who have read Biocentrism what is your views on it, and Sikhi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_F4nOKDSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw55BsToVZM
http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/biocentrism-wikipedia/
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On 4/29/2018 at 12:06 PM, harsharan000 said:
We could well say, to start with, from our human level we have a personal relationship with the Impersonal Being.
Then when we become one with Him by His kirpa, the personal relationship ends, then only He, the impersonal Being, Akal Purukh exists.
Sat Sree Akal.
That makes a lot of a good sense, and I was thinking of your statement when we have a relationship with Waheguru its personal, but when you remove all of that in a way Whaeguru is impersonal.
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So I know that we are a Monotheistic Faith, but I know that we don't believe in the Abrahamic View of a god which is that he a guy with a beard who lives in a sky, but we believe in a god that is formless, timeless, genderless, and is everywhere, but I am just wondering if we believe in an Impersonal God, or a Personal God? I know that we don't fully believe in an anthropomorphic god where its an actual person, but in a way, we have a relationship with God like a friend, brother, mother, father, sister, etc; however, we describe God in a Pantheistic sense, like for example like everything in the universe is made up of Waheguru like matter, time, galaxies, planets, and etc, in a way its like God is the Universe. I am just confused whether we are Panentheists or Pantheists regarding Whaeguru, and whether we believe that Whaeguru is Impersonal or Personal to us or its both like a mix.
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17 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:
So you don't know anything really
No that's why I think its a theory, but I think in one of the news articles her father in law said that she spent a lot of time on whatsapp.
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2 hours ago, Wicked Warrior said:
Washing the feet of the Guru and then drinking it is how amrit was administered to a Sikh before 1699. This was a how Sikh was baptised and received naam.
Having paintings of the Guru in your household is better than having posters of popstars and actors. The paintings should serve as a reminder of the Guru and to remain pure in thought and action.
God sent Guru Ji into this world in order to set people on the right path and to merge with God. This can be achieved only with the grace of Guru Ji.
Doing parkarma (walking around Guru Ji) is a way of showing respect for Guru ji.
There is nothing wrong with ritual per se but it is empty rituals that Guru Ji is against. Splashing water in the hope that it might reach one's dead ancestors is an empty and useless ritual. Getting up in the morning, doing nitnem and meditation every day is an excellent and worthy ritual.
You got a good point, and I think that I was thinking about, the rituals that don't benefit god, I am aganist that, but if there are rituals that are there to seek out god in a good way then sure.
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3 hours ago, BhForce said:
Well of course we should pray to God.
But I'm trying to work out what you would do and not do. Just like you posted that you don't like bowing to pictures and I agreed with you. And you also posted you don't like that your father walks around Guru Granth Sahib. Posting what your position is allows us to have conversation.
So please just answer the questions, and tell us what you would do and what you wouldn't out of matha teking, touching feet, and washing feet.
I would only do Matha Tek to the Guru Granth Sahib, and thats it. I would only touch my elders feet as a sign of respect, I wouldn't touch any godmens or prophets who say they represent god. Infact god has no representatives, washing feet, I think its a sign of respect when you go into the Gurdwara.
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2 minutes ago, BhForce said:
OK, so what part of that do you object to?
If you're OK with matha teking to Guru Granth Sahib, I presume you would be OK with matha teking to Guru Nanak Dev ji.
But you object to touching Guru Sahib's feet with your hands? Afraid of germs, are we?
You would also object to washing Guru Sahib's feet? And this is based, again, on your own personal preferences?
No, I am not saying that, but I am just saying we should pay attention and pray to god, that's it.
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7 minutes ago, BhForce said:
OK, thanks for the answer. Please also answer the question I gave above about if Guru Nanak Dev ji were to suddenly manifest in front of you (or you were to be transported to the 1500s) would you touch Guru Sahib's feet, matha tek, and wash Guru Sahib's feet?
Well, I guess no.
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44 minutes ago, BhForce said:
Again, this was for humility. Anyways, before we talk about other stuff you said, you need to reflect on and acknowledge the status of Guru in Sikhism. Read the following verses with humility and purity of mind:
ਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸਮਰਥੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥
Gur Dhaathaa Samarathh Gur Gur Sabh Mehi Rehiaa Samaae ||
The Guru is the Giver, the Guru is All-powerful. The Guru is All-pervading, contained amongst all.
ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਡੁਬਦਾ ਲਏ ਤਰਾਇ ॥੨॥
Gur Paramaesar Paarabreham Gur Ddubadhaa Leae Tharaae ||2||
The Guru is the Transcendent Lord, the Supreme Lord God. The Guru lifts up and saves those who are drowning. ||2||
ਕਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਾਲਾਹੀਐ ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਸਮਰਥੁ ॥
Kith Mukh Gur Saalaaheeai Karan Kaaran Samarathh ||
How shall I praise the Guru, the All-powerful Cause of causes?
ਸੇ ਮਥੇ ਨਿਹਚਲ ਰਹੇ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰਿ ਧਾਰਿਆ ਹਥੁ ॥
Sae Mathhae Nihachal Rehae Jin Gur Dhhaariaa Hathh ||
Those, upon whose foreheads the Guru has placed His Hand, remain steady and stable.
ਗੁਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਪੀਆਲਿਆ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕਾ ਪਥੁ ॥
Gur Anmrith Naam Peeaaliaa Janam Maran Kaa Pathh ||
The Guru has led me to drink in the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord; He has released me from the cycle of birth and death.
ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਭੈ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਦੁਖ ਲਥੁ ॥੩॥
Gur Paramaesar Saeviaa Bhai Bhanjan Dhukh Lathh ||3||
I serve the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, the Dispeller of fear; my suffering has been taken away. ||3||
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੯੦) ੩:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੧੯
Sri Raag Guru Arjan DevAgain:
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੫੨
ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਲਾਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
Gur Paramaesur Poojeeai Man Than Laae Piaar ||
Worship the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, with your mind and body attuned to love.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਕਾ ਸਭਸੈ ਦੇਇ ਅਧਾਰੁ ॥
Sathigur Dhaathaa Jeea Kaa Sabhasai Dhaee Adhhaar ||
The True Guru is the Giver of the soul; He gives Support to all.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਮਾਵਣੇ ਸਚਾ ਏਹੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
Sathigur Bachan Kamaavanae Sachaa Eaehu Veechaar ||
Act according to the Instructions of the True Guru; this is the true philosophy.
ਬਿਨੁ ਸਾਧੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਰਤਿਆ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਸਭੁ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੧॥
Bin Saadhhoo Sangath Rathiaa Maaeiaa Mohu Sabh Shhaar ||1||
Without being attuned to the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, all attachment to Maya is just dust. ||1||
ਮੇਰੇ ਸਾਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥
Maerae Saajan Har Har Naam Samaal ||
O my friend, reflect upon the Name of the Lord, Har, Har
ਸਾਧੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਪੂਰਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਘਾਲ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Saadhhoo Sangath Man Vasai Pooran Hovai Ghaal ||1|| Rehaao ||
. In the Saadh Sangat, He dwells within the mind, and one's works are brought to perfect fruition. ||1||Pause||
ਗੁਰੁ ਸਮਰਥੁ ਅਪਾਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
Gur Samarathh Apaar Gur Vaddabhaagee Dharasan Hoe ||
The Guru is All-powerful, the Guru is Infinite. By great good fortune, the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is obtained.
ਗੁਰੁ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਨਿਰਮਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Gur Agochar Niramalaa Gur Jaevadd Avar N Koe ||
The Guru is Imperceptible, Immaculate and Pure. There is no other as great as the Guru.
ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਚੀ ਸੋਇ ॥
Gur Karathaa Gur Karanehaar Guramukh Sachee Soe ||
The Guru is the Creator, the Guru is the Doer. The Gurmukh obtains true glory.
ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜੇ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥
Gur Thae Baahar Kishh Nehee Gur Keethaa Lorrae S Hoe ||2||
Nothing is beyond the Guru; whatever He wishes comes to pass. ||2||
ਗੁਰੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਜਾਤੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਮਨਸਾ ਪੂਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥
Gur Theerathh Gur Paarajaath Gur Manasaa Pooranehaar ||
The Guru is the Sacred Shrine of Pilgrimage, the Guru is the Wish-fulfilling Elysian Tree.
ਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ਉਧਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
Gur Dhaathaa Har Naam Dhaee Oudhharai Sabh Sansaar ||
The Guru is the Fulfiller of the desires of the mind. The Guru is the Giver of the Name of the Lord, by which all the world is saved.
ਗੁਰੁ ਸਮਰਥੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਊਚਾ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥
Gur Samarathh Gur Nirankaar Gur Oochaa Agam Apaar ||
The Guru is All-powerful, the Guru is Formless; the Guru is Lofty, Inaccessible and Infinite.
ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਅਗਮ ਹੈ ਕਿਆ ਕਥੇ ਕਥਨਹਾਰੁ ॥੩॥
Gur Kee Mehimaa Agam Hai Kiaa Kathhae Kathhanehaar ||3||
The Praise of the Guru is so sublime-what can any speaker say? ||3||
ਜਿਤੜੇ ਫਲ ਮਨਿ ਬਾਛੀਅਹਿ ਤਿਤੜੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪਾਸਿ ॥
Jitharrae Fal Man Baashheeahi Thitharrae Sathigur Paas ||
All the rewards which the mind desires are with the True Guru.
ਪੂਰਬ ਲਿਖੇ ਪਾਵਣੇ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇ ਰਾਸਿ ॥
Poorab Likhae Paavanae Saach Naam Dhae Raas ||
One whose destiny is so pre-ordained, obtains the Wealth of the True Name.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣੀ ਆਇਆਂ ਬਾਹੁੜਿ ਨਹੀ ਬਿਨਾਸੁ ॥
Sathigur Saranee Aaeiaaan Baahurr Nehee Binaas ||
Entering the Sanctuary of the True Guru, you shall never die again.
ਹਰਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਵਿਸਰਉ ਏਹੁ ਜੀਉ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਾਸੁ ॥੪॥੨੯॥੯੯॥
Har Naanak Kadhae N Visaro Eaehu Jeeo Pindd Thaeraa Saas ||4||29||99||
Nanak: may I never forget You, Lord. This soul, body and breath are Yours. ||4||29||99||
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੯੯) ੪:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੫੨ ਪੰ. ੧੮
Sri Raag Guru Arjan DevGurbani clearly states above that we are to worship Guru and God. Do you acknowledge we are called to worship the Guru?
Like actually worship the 10 guru's? Or only Guru Granth Sahib? No, I never knew to worship the Guru, but to meditate on god, yeah.
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Superstition and Miracles in Sikhism
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What do you mean that Whaeguru itself came as "guru nanak dev ji", do you mean literally or metaphorically? I mean aren't we all part of Whaeguru and we came from it.