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  1. On 06/09/2017 at 3:52 PM, Guest Patit said:


    Now my question is where should i get pesh i mean jivan of the panj pyare matters so what i want to know where are the best places to get pesh and re chhak amrit in Punjab 

    When i got initiated it was at our local gurdwara now i want to do chhak amrit from naam japan wali rooh  please help me out with the best places to re chhak amrit ?

    bhul chuk muaf karni

    Go to one of the dals in Buddha Dal, or Tarna Dal. They will be able to explain proper Khalsa traditions to you as they live very rehitee lifestyles every day tyaar bar tyaar.


    They preserve bana and wear bana every day, and also presevre banis of Guru Gobind Singh which rest of panth is finding difficult. They also wear shastar like true rehitee Singh does.

  2. On 08/09/2017 at 0:13 AM, akaltaksal said:

    In regards to your point about shooting. A Khalsa would need to accomodate and thoroughly educate him/herself with modern warfare and weaponry, How can you UK wale do that in the UK? 

    You people only have access to airsoft ammo, and I'm not sure what kind of guns, but probably not the kind that are similar to modern weaponry. Being a skilled shooter or gunman (let alone Soldier)  isn't just about accurately aiming and pulling a trigger. 

    Actually some of the higher class people in uk are part of hunting clubs which use horses. Some of their shikkar is foxes. PErhaps UK Singhs could adapt this to something else?

  3. Also we argue over doing Dasam Granth parkash yet we allow playing of harmonium inside gurdwaras on the same level as Adi Guru Granth Sahib? The same instrument which Akali Phoola Singh didn't allow in Harimandir sahib and said that it is "kanjaraa da gham"?

    Seriously, having Dasam Granth prakash is way more respectful than the disrespect of using harmonium on same level as Adi Guru Granth Sahib. At least those that are not for prakash should promote raag instruments, why no taos/dilruba/saranga/rabab being played on Guru's darbar, which are Guru hukam anyway?

  4. I was reading something when I googled last week.

    I think Gurjant Singh went to prison for some KCF activities. Ram Rahim had a different name back then, and he had young children and was a chela at Sacha Sauda. They were friends, maybe childhood friends?

    There's some rumours that Gurjant Singh may have used a revolver to get the previous baba to leave the gaddi or something.

  5. 59 minutes ago, singhbj singh said:

    I meant societies in general but it would be best if BOSS organised such an event.

    Earlier GGSSC was targeting school kids for their course but now it's open to all ages.

    who is ggssc?

    I never trusted BOSS 100%, I felt racism from them, and even anti-nihang sentiments.

  6. On 04/06/2016 at 11:58 PM, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

    Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

    After doing much itihaas i have found it that the darshan of Sri Dasam and Sarbloh Darbar is of utmost importance for the sake of the chardikala of the Sikh panth alongside Satguru Granth sahib ji maharaj. What can be done in the uk and in sangats across the world to install sri Dasam granth and Sarbloh Granth as seen in Takht Sri Hazoor sahib were the maryada of the tisarpanth seems to be alive and well aswell as shastar darshan.Can those of us that believe this to be an important issue do anything to create change?

    This will be slow but should happen. Dasam bani knowledge is urgently needed for sikhs all over the world. If sikhs had chartripakhyan knowledge gyaan it could help with the kanjar dating stuff and drink pub club smoke culture mentality bringing us down. Also dasme pathsha banis promote the mind to support carrying shastar. Sarbloh Granth will take more difficulty for panth to understand, but is required.

    Slowly, slowly need to bring banis back into nitnem before these changes. 

    -bring more dasam banis into nitnem, and promote longer Chaupai Sahib and Tav prasad Swaiye. Add Chandi banis and shastarnaam mala. some gurdwaras I see are now doing the longer Chaupai paat. Sampooran Rehraas and also full Aarti Aarta with Guru Gobind Singh ji baniya, not the short one they do in Harimandir Sahib. THEN, things will change.

    However, also remember that alot of parkash might be done by Chakarvarti Singhs or outside gurdwaras. Remember rehati Singhs might be living outside and travelling. Gurdwaras had much more sehajdhari sangat before Singh Sabha movement, so may have just had Adi Guru Granth parkash. In fact, there were gurdwaras that just had shastar prakash only, and no granth parkash. This would have reduced beadbi greatly, as Adi Granth saroop were handwritten and larivaar, and not SGPC printing press copies. The saroop would more likely be at gurdwaras with sewadaars, and not lonely, quiet gurdwaras. Now that gurdwaras are controlled by amrit dharis, why are the gurdwaras still only parkash Adi Guru Granth, this is more like sehajdhari gurdwara. If the mahants have been removed, then why are gurdwaras only concentrating on bani for wider panth and not Khalsa panth. It is making gurdwaras into sehajdhari gurdwaras, and sehajdhari mentaltiy - this would be pefectly fine for gurdwaras that are not under khalsa panth and under sehajdharis or sehajdhari mahants


    On 05/06/2016 at 9:09 PM, GurburAkal said:

    I am welcome to this idea, but SDGS and SSGS should not be prakashon the same level as SGGS.

    prakash should be very much lower, so that we show respect to our Guru.

    I have full faith and respect for Dasam Bani, but I think we need to remember our GURU is SGGS.

    Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj is our GURU, they are not just a granth.

    Although I do feel Dasve Patshah Dee Bani needs to return to our Gurdwara Sahibs

    And along with keeping nice shiny shastars prakash , I think we should also buy firearms and keep them locked up in a gun safe to protect the Gurdwara Sahib if need be. Shastars aren't only for show, contrary to popular belief.

    I think it might have been this forum where I read words of Guru Gobind Singh, where the pothis are consider siblings or children of Adi Granth. Parkash of pothis can be done a bit lower or nearby.

    On 05/06/2016 at 2:25 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

    For Shastars you make Gatka the up most importance for an activity in the Gurdwara that anyone can do, (many people won't be inspired just looking at Shastars if you asked them. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

    instead of the gatka dancing done by mainstream, we should have archery and shooting ranges set up in the big gurdwaras. Look how much space there is in Singh Sabha Havelock Southall! LEarning archery and shooting is much more useful then modern gatka.

    shastar vidiya (or i guess some gatka) is important, but only if we can find the correct teachers. otherwise need to complement with martial arts. But also important to have wrestling/mal yudh and kabaddi also aids in this. Remember Guru Angad setup up wrestling akharas. So why are we not doing this? And most of the kabaddi players are moneh, why are amrit dharis not picking this up? see some aspects of shastar vidiya such as mal yudh/wrestling is easily available yet we are not implementing it!

  7. I went to Guru Nanak School, not everyone was exactly nice, not even people trying to show that they are into sikhi or even amrit dhari.


    I listen to paat at work using headphones. This is not possible for you? Paat calms me down and I guess numbs any pain. Also listen to or read Guru Gobind Singh banis to feel courageous. Also do some sehaj paat from your mobile =)

  8. end of the day, hinduism term was created to suit the gora, angrej, firanghi to make bharati/hindus/hindustanis follow the abrhamic concept of religion.

    hinduism term doesn't really apply to the dharmik traditions, including sikhi of course.

    hindu itself used to be used as a geographical and cultural term during 10 Gurus times and mughal rule. IT also pointed to the ancient civilisation, although the term was rare during ancient times. Goras changed and twisted it to a religious label.


  9. I think the Southall Singh Sabha election was at a time when uni sikh societies would have minimal influence. OR you mean uk sikh societies in general outside unis?

    I think UK uni societies need to use their resources, and could start doing basics of sikhi style parchar as well as a host of other stuff. Like in West London, where a lot of the sikhs at these unis don't attend the uk sikh societies. However these students skills could get involved in sikhi by making videos, using web design, programming and graphics media skills. It get's them experience and exposure for when they would join the workplace as well as getting them some sikhi knowledge, as otherwise they would probably not go to sikh society meetings or events.

  10. On 01/09/2017 at 2:05 PM, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

    Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

    by reading page 2 pf this thread, I do not think you will find anything constructive regarding this topic on this forum. try SA and reddit.

  11. 18 hours ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

    Waheguru Ji Ka khalsa waheguru ji or fateh

     According to some puratan Sikhs and Sikh accounts, Havan Maryada was performed by shamshir pita Sri satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj. If so, how was Havan performed and what was the Maryada for Havan? E.g what banis were read?

    Bhul chuk maf Karo ji

    As Naamdharis still perform it, maybe find out where they got this maryada from. I know they read japji sahib, could be some other nitnem banis as well. I seen it on YouTube somewhere. I know Naamdharis went to Hazoor Sahib to get maryada, maybe this is a start?


    There are good arguments about havan in this thread, I mean arguments against. But I am keeping an open mind.

    17 hours ago, monatosingh said:


    Yes, but this is not a hindu havan when gurbani is read is it? Lighting a fire automatically becomes a hindu ritual? Then even doing matha tek and chaur sahib is also a hindu ritual so what should we do? Also Aarti.

  12. Many girls love the bearded look. I remember when my beard was just growing and I used to wear a patka in 6th form, many goris loved it --- lol anyway...

    Instead of getting with these girls, you need to find a marital partner. I myself went through the pain with going through all these arranged marriage talks with these alcoholic families and so on... If we marry into these families we will experience pain. The pain is made worse if we cut our beards or even hairs for these families. I prefer not to hang around my relatives as I will experience anti-gurmat pain and lack of turban respect. 

    Although you follow some of Guru's rehat, you also need to follow Guru Nanak's way of grihast jeevan.

    Because many sikh families are now not follow grihast jeevan early enough, it is causing a lot of pain in sikh population with excessive lust and stupid dating partnerships and so on...

    IF you can marry out of these families and instead into gursikh families, this will greatly help you. However, a wife from gursikh family will probably find it painful living with your families. Even though you are going to uni, and also such a good one, I am still mentioning marriage. IF you cannot stay out of pre-marital lust then marriage will be a good support for you , even at your age. 

    I went through so much pain of controlling lust during 6th form, so much attention but I only wanted to find a good sikh girl. University I went through this pain as well and somehow controlled myself again, especially difficult when seeing apney do this girlfriend-boyfriend stuff all around you.

    I also recommend incorporating Guru Gobind Singh's banis in nitnem. Since you wore chola, maybe you already did? Chandi Charritar, Chandi Di Vaar, Uggardanti, Shastar Naam Mala. Also Sampooran Rehraas and sleep with Rakhiya deh shabad with Keertan Sohila.

    You're so lucky though. I started full Japji Sahib paat probably during or after 6th form. Before I only knew like 5 pauris. 

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