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  1. 22 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    Having Kesh only benefits if you know why you are keeping Kesh, and most of the Sikhs don't know why they keep Kesh, (or even why they cut it in the first place). Many people today who keep Kesh probably don't the know the truth about Sikhi but simply what their parents told them. The bigger question we should ask is not whether someone keeps Kesh or not, but rather do they know about Sikhi or not? We have some people who keep head Kesh, but remove beard, or we have some who keep head Kesh and remove body hair, whatever the reason, we should go to the root of the problem.

    yeh, it's also a problem that people need to know why they cut kesh in the first place.

    Insaan has been given roop with kesh, so to have to go through kesh removal ritual without good reason is very silly for a sikh.

  2. 18 hours ago, imhosingh said:

    Having kesh imho is only important if you are into sikhi and realise it's significance . If you don't then there is little point in keeping it.

    I beg to differ, let's see what dasmeh patshah has to say about this =)


    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਜੀ ! ਤੁਮ ਪੰਥ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਬਾਣਾ ਰਚਯੋ ਕੇਸ਼ ਰਖਵਾਯੋ ॥ [Nau Nidh speaking] “Oh Lord, you have started this Path, you have created this dress and made them keep Kesh.
    ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੀਬ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਬਤਾਵਹੁ॥ ਕਿਸ ਕਾਰਨ ਕਰਿ ਇਨਹੁਂ ਰਖਾਵਹੁ ?॥3॥
    Guru Ji, helper of the poor, tell me - Why do you make them keep Kesh?
    ਸੁਨਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖ ਫੁਰਮਾਵਨਿ ਕਰਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਕੋ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬਹੁਤ ਬਿਚਰ੍ਯੋ ॥
    Hearing the words [of Nau Nidh], Guru Ji said, "You have studied many Shaastras”
    ਪੜ੍ਹਨ ਸ਼੍ਰਵਨ ਮਹਿਂ ਬੈਸ ਬਿਤਾਈ ॥ ਇਹ ਗਤਿ ਲਖੀ ਕਿ ਨਹਿਂ ਤੁਮ ਪਾਈ ॥4॥
    “You have spent your life listening and reciting the Shaastras, yet you have not come to realize the answer”
    ਧਰਮ ਰਖਨਿ ਕੇਸ਼ਾਦਿਕ ਭਲੇ ॥ ਸਨਕਾਦਿਕ ਤੇ ਆਵਤਿ ਚਲੇ ॥ Adorning Kesh is beneficial to keeping one’s Dharam, since the start of time this has been the tradition.
    ਭਾਰਥ ਖੰਡ ਬਿਖੈ ਸ਼ੁਭ ਦੇਸ਼ ॥ ਕੇਸ਼ ਰਾਖਣੋ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼’ ॥5॥
    In the great land of Bharat [India], keeping Kesh is an exalted part of Dharam.
    ਸੁਨਿ ਕੈ ਨਉਨਿਧ ਬਹੁਰ ਬਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਆਪ ਕਹਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਚ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਾ ॥
    Listening to the answer, Nau Nidh replied, “what you have said is true.
    ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਕੇਸ਼ ਧਾਰੀ ਸਭਿ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਅਬਿ ਤੌ ਸਮਾ ਰਹ੍ਯੋ ਨਹਿਂ ਸੋਈ’ ॥6॥
    Everyone used to keep their Kesh, however times have changed.”
    ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਭਨ੍ਯੋ ‘ਸਮਾ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਹੈ ॥ ਸੋ ਰਵਿ ਸੋ ਸਸਿ, ਸੋ ਜਲ ਅਹੈ ॥ ਬਾਯੂ, ਬੰਨੀ, ਬਸੁਧਾ ੳਈ ॥ ਦੋਸ਼ ਸਮੈ ਕੋ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਹਿ ਕੋਈ ॥7॥ Guru Ji replied, “How have times changed? The same sun remains, the same moon, water, wind, fire and Earth remain. How can you blame time?
    ਆਪਨ ਆਪ ਕੋ ਦੋਸ਼ ਲਖੀਜੈ । ਰਾਖੇ ਜਾਇਂ ਨ, ਸਾਚ ਕਹੀਜੈ ॥ Blame yourself for not being able to keep Kesh, speak the truth Nau Nidh.
    ਕੇਸ਼ ਰਖਨਿ ਕੀ ਸਮਰਥ ਹੀਨੇ ॥ ਦੋਸ਼ ਸਮੇਂ ਪਰ ਕਲਪਨ ਕੀਨੇ ॥8॥ You do not have the strength to keep Kesh so you dismissively blame the times for changing.

  3. 5 minutes ago, imhosingh said:

    What makes you think the parent keeps their kesh because they want to? From my experience the majority of those dad's would cut their hair (indeed many do and wear the dastaar when around family, but not at work or with non family social circles). They only wear a pug because of family pressure/appearances. Their children are free of such pressure so they let them be monah. It's not really an issue anyway because it's what is going on in the head that counts and not outward appearances. 

    if it does not matter then why cut kesh in the first place? Surely the cutting of kesh is following societal norms and rejecting our culture, especially when one increases ego by trying all these different hairstyles?

  4. 19 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

    What is that meant to mean?

    Whoever does the panj pyare seva needs to be from the jatha according to whichever jatha the amrit sanchar is dedicated to.

    as in the panj piaray created by Guru Gobind Singh weren't in these jatha things we have now. (again, not following maryada lolz)

  5. 4 hours ago, Guest Guest Singh said:

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

    Hi everyone, this is the OP. It has been 13 months since the original post. Thank you all for your spiritual guidance, I referred back to this thread today and it brought a tear to my eye. I am grateful to be part of such a wonderful community, I am truly touched by the kindness and support I have received in this thread.

    I just want to give an update. I hope that you guys can point me in the right direction once again, and I also want to record my experience somewhere in case it happens to somebody else.

    After the events of the first post, I started to meditate on Wahegurus name, and I recite the first two parts of Japji Sahib every morning through memorization. I also listened to Rehras Sahib, Kirtan Sohlia, and Waheguru on repeat on YouTube as I try to sleep.


    Please read more Japji Sahib so you can understand more about the different spiritual khands as well (these are described near the end of the paat).

  6. I can tell you what is in the Buddha Dal gutka as from the banis I read yesterday

    ( I haven't finished full nitnem today, been at work and trying to finish using headphones, also terrible at waking at amritvela):

    Japji Sahib

    Shabad Hazare

    Jaap Sahib

    Shabad Hazare patshahi 10

    Twa Parsad Swaiye

    Twa Parsad Swaiye - Deenan ke pratipal

    Akal Ustat Chaupai - Pranvo Aad Ekankara ...

    Chaupai Sahib (long version)

    Anand Sahib

    Chandi Charitar Ustat

    Chandi Di Vaar


    Shastar Naam Maala


    Sodar Rehraas (Sampooran) 

    Aarti Aarta (long) - Lop Chandika



    Rakhiya de shabad and Keertan Sohila (I forget the order because I normally don't use the gutka for my sleeping paat and normally listen to a slightly different version by Baba Nihal Singh)

    And hopefully someone can explain and expand this and add any or subtract banis according to maryada.


  7. 2 hours ago, monatosingh said:

    Whoever you took amrit from I guess.

    I am looking to take amrit from SGPC. So if I smoked or whatever I will need to go to SGPC.

    Same if I took amrit from AKJ, I will need to go see an AKJ panj.

    If you cannot find the exact Panj that were there for your amrit sanchar just go to your next jatha amrit sanchar.


    As for the panj doing vape:

    Give them a <banned word filter activated> thapar and a big tight one.

    Panj piaray that wear bana for show and never trained in their shastar, yeh I don't see the point in trying to go to 'Singhs' who don't really follow maryada to the level of being called a panj piyara that wears bana!

  8. On 12/08/2017 at 10:03 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

    If you don't want to give money you don't have to. Our Raagis not getting the pay they deserve should be a slap to our faces, not something to be worn as a badge of honor. Daler Mehndi said himself that he left the Kirtan work because the pay was not livable. Us not helping people in Punjab is another slap to our faces as well.

    We should only help raagis who do gurmat sangeet in Raag. Those who play harmonium we should not even give them anything because giving money promotes this non gurmat instrument. Instead we should pay to open academies which can teach the raagis to play the correct instruments and use correct raags. Otherwsie, by paying harmonium players, we are only shooting ourselves in the foot.


    If you watch one of Bhai Jagraj Singh's videos, he mentions that gurdwaras get cheap sewadaars that can do everything, and are just taught basic harmonium playing, I guess having a proper raagi would hurt the business aspect of running a gurdwara!!! ( I think it was one of the WhyGuru course videos about keertan)

  9. On days you cannot read paat, why not get some headphones and listen to paat instead? That will not disturb your roommate.

    I have different playlists setup for myself on Youtube and Music players depending on which shift I am going to at work, or for other circumstances. If you have time, this will give you an opportunity to listen nitnem in proper raag, Baru Sahib Anahad Bani Jatha currently have some nitnem banis sung in raag tanti saaj gurmat sangeet on Youtube.

  10. I just listen to whatever is playing on the radio. Usually BBC Asian Network, might not be paying attention.

    I am trying to get into listening to Raag music, especially Raag Keertan. IT's never playing in the gurdwara so have to listen to it at home or in the car. 

    Also found some Rabab music on Youtube yesterday, it actually sounds similar to 80s and 90s bhangra music!

  11. 20 minutes ago, BhForce said:

    What? That really happened? Dhadrianwale made people take off kirpans? Any details on that?


    On 17/07/2017 at 1:23 AM, Guest Singh said:


    4 - When he went to america he made sangat take off big kirpans or sri sahibs


    can we have more info on this?

  12. On 28/06/2017 at 4:15 PM, SikhSeeker said:



    I wanted some advice please. I am looking into a slight career change- im in IT at the moment, mostly desktop engineer and wanted a change into programming. I was looking at Javascript or C# but wanted to know what is the best way to learn this, and which is the most in demand programming needed? If there are any programmers out there coudl you please help me out?


    many thanks




    I am in a similar situation and thinking about doing the same.

    And you might as well learn HTML as well, it's very easy to learn!

  13. Really want to help with this.

    There are those with kesh who do kabaddi, also desi wrestling, and shastar vidiya martial arts. There's Singhs who shastarvidiya as well as another lot called Art of Elusive Fighting. 

    Please get in touch with all these groups of various martial arts. There might be someone on this forum, and also some other forums as well which can help. Sikhawareness and Reddit sikh forums will have Singhs on who participate in martial arts with kesh. 

  14. 3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

    I am saying that the panj have to have excellent spiritual jeevan ...Bhai Rama Singh ji was one of the panj for me as a kid as far as I know he was not known for proven battle skills or the others but we were all aware of their spiritual depths anyone can develop shastar vidhiya and be bereft of a spiritual side (just look around in the world) . Do we praise Baba Deep Singh for his shastar vidhiya alone or is it his level of Brahmgian in combination with that?

    yes a combination. the aim for an amrit dhari is not to just be a sehajdhari sikh, shastar is a very important part as well.

  15. On 21/07/2017 at 8:26 PM, Akalifauj said:

    The bana was introduced before any Sikh was given a shastar.  Your mommy is probably calling you to go drink milk...go run along little boy.

    Well the 1st 5 Gurus also had the tradition of charan-amrit.


    If you want charan-amrit then that is fine.


    But please don't insult those who follow all 10 Gurus instead of first 5. Guru Gobind Singh has made it mandatory to practise shastar as well as nitnem. If you prefer pakhandis that dress up then that is up-to-you.

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