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On 26 January 2018 at 9:25 PM, InderjitS said:
It's best you stay clear of Ghagga!
So Guru Sahib who is the deliverer of humanity, dispels all pains, jagat jot, aap parmeshar, giver of life - experienced the same pain as humans? Is this your own mind telling you this (MAN mat) or do you actually have proof?
Bhai Mati Dass read Japji Sahib whilst being sawn alive, Bhai Taru Singh Jee survived for several days without scalp, Bhai Bidhi Chandh was saved from a burning Kiln, yet you think Guru Jee who is also Nirankar felt pain, balle tere!
The English translations are never great but the last line explains how Maharaj during Shaheedi did not even utter ਸੀ
ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਞੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾ ਕਾ ॥
Tilaka Jaannjoo Raakhaa Parbha Taa Kaa ॥
ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੩/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ
ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥
Keeno Bado Kaloo Mahi Saakaa ॥
He protected the forehead mark and sacred thread (of the Hindus) which marked a great event in the Iron age.
ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੩/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ
ਸਾਧਨ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥
Saadhan Heti Eitee Jini Karee ॥
ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੩/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ
ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਯਾ ਪਰੁ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥੧੩॥
Seesu Deeyaa Paru See Na Aucharee ॥13॥
For the sake of saints, he laid down his head without even a sign.13.
ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੩/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ
Lol who is this Ghagga guy..
yeh we feel physical pain but our psychology causes us to feel peace whilst experiencing as it, as it's All His will and as He willed it. So it's perfect and sweet to His slaves.
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On 26 January 2018 at 9:45 AM, Akalifauj said:
Do you have any Gurbani shabad that will support your view point?
Pain is the ego; I exist as a separate entity from Akal Purakh. Such duality will never come in the Guru. "I" does not exist, so what pain is even felt to experience and then produce compassion for others? The Gurus never had ego in them. They are the truth.
Take a different feeling like sadness. The Gurus were never sad for they fully understood Vaheguru's hukam and were the hukam and Vaheguru. They did not have an intellect like a human. They took the human mind to the highest realm of sachkhand. Sachkhand state has no pain or sadness.
We derive from Nothing. The khel is a projection of His heart and mind. So what you think we're here for? We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Physical pain we feel. We feel the morning breeze on our face, the raindrops on our hair, we smell the beautiful fragrances of nature.
So why wouldn't a Bhagat feel physical pain? What you're describing is duality.
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Yeh Indian government clearly hasn't changed. Full of old men responsible for 1984 still running around free and running things both behind and in front of the scenes.
Racism turns humans into monsters.
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5 hours ago, InderjitS said:
Please do elaborate, this is the same thought process the t******er Inder Ghagga follows!
3 hours ago, InderjitS said:Can you imagine, the Sikhs with Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji didnt feel pain, how can they themselves! It's missionary talk as they cannot see past scientific blinkers.
We are here to discover the khel without being attached to it. We experience pain and pleasure, we just don't stay attached to them. After its experienced, we detach and move forward.
The Gurus love so much, that they were willing to accept and experience the pain that we humans may feel. Feeling pain like this makes us compassionate towards others who suffer and encourage us to accept this pain as Gods hukam and karam.
What we do is we remain Calm in the state of Sehaj through the pain, not reacting in the five thieves and not going mad as it's all God that's doing everything. They accepted shaheedi with this psychology.
I don't even know who Inder Ghagga is.
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On 23/01/2018 at 8:28 AM, MrDoaba said:
VJKK VJKF,
Sangat ji, I have a question. I won't lie, I'm quite scared of the answer. I had a dream and I don't believe what happened in my dream was a coincidence. I think God is giving me a sign. Does God give signs? Anyway, so I had a dream or was it a nightmare, I'm not sure what it was but it freaked me out, like big time. In my dream/nightmare I went for peshi. But the messed up part is when I went for peshi in my dream/nightmare, I was there because I had lied when I last when peshi (in my dream/nightmare).
My questions are as follows:
- What does Sikhism say about dreams/nightmares?
- Are our Gods angry at me for lying at peshi in my peshi dream/nightmare?
- Do I have to go peshi in real life? Is it a sign from one of our 10 Gods?
- How will I explain at peshi in real ife that I am pesh there because I had a peshi dream/nightmare in which I was pesh for lying at my previous peshi which was also a (peshi) dream sequence?
- When and where is the next peshi?
Please help me Sangat Ji.
We pay our Karam back in dreams. The dukhi u feel in dreams wipes away the negative Karams u need to pay back. The aim is to pay off your negative karma and sow good deeds thereon to Break and eventually break free from the cycle of Birth n death.
Where humans go wrong is that they react to their negative Karams with Maya (5 theives), hence digging themselves deeper into maya and becoming more engrossed in the illusion instead of remaining detached.
In your dream, practice the psychology of Truth as u would in your waking life.
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On 22/01/2018 at 3:14 PM, Dsinghdp said:
Some 40 people converted to Sikhi in the presence of Jathedar of Sri Akal Takhat. The new converts came from 12 different countries. They recited the Mool Mantar (fundamental spell of Sikhi).
U can't Convert to something that isn't a religion.
The only religion is Truth. That's what the Gurus taught. No Hindu, No Muslim-Only One (Truth/ Sat).
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On 24/01/2018 at 1:57 AM, DarshaPyasi1984 said:
http://gursikhijivan.blogspot.ca/2011/04/q-with-sant-darshan-singh-dhakki.html
P.S I should be studying for exam tomorrow but I am doing stuff like this.
P.S a beanti- can sangat do ardas for me to do good on exams coming this week.
If you're being tortured on a red hot plate, you Do feel the pain because it's there to be discovered.you just don't attach yourself to it, applying the psychology that it's just a khel and that it's All just God Himself.
The baba is wrong there. I didn't read past that bit.
People shouldn't just Claim Truth like that and mislead others, it's the Blind leading the Blind.
The Gurus experienced this pain, and serve as an inspiration to All of us who experience pain in our lives, how to react to that hukam and Karam, in Truth Acceptance of Hukam and Karam.
His Will is sweet to us, we receive Karam as it is deserved to us.
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On 18/01/2018 at 5:50 PM, jkvlondon said:
somebody should explain to the two of them that amritdhari sikhs should also have likewise spouses irregardless of gender of amritdhari person . As far as his cringeworthy proposal vid shows (released today ) she shaves her pits, does her eyebrows, trims her hair also and probably her legs as she is in the phashion trade.
Didn't u just post a video about Nindya?
Is this post really sikh like?
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8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Thought this video is a well needed reminder about gursikh attitudes to ninda and chugli as there have been many recent incidents on the forum which people have tried to avoid calling out bad behaviour as this is doing ninda (misunderstanding) also people adding masala by casting baseless aspersions about others :
Judgements etc are false. Gurus taught us to live n let live. We don't force our views on others, we simply teach. Always look at and better yourself before judging others.
Make sure you take the advice in the video before u tell anyone else to, that's important. Gurbani says that hypocrisy isnt compliant with Sikhi.
Start off by not slandering people on this forum and by not judging others.
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On 10 January 2018 at 7:43 AM, sikhni777 said:
I still don't mix in LOL ! I still openly declare the fault is not with me. Its the other side to blame.
Each family has these problems. Its how you deal with them that makes a difference.
We're free to associate with who we want to. Gurbani says have good sangat, make better friends.
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On 02/01/2018 at 2:04 AM, Guest Khalsa said:
I come from a punjabi sikh “jatt” family and from a young age and even up until now my grandfather and my dad believe in Hindu gods and at my babas home we have guru Nanak dev ji pic next to shiva and balak naath. I know confusing. Whenever we go India we not only go to gurdware but also the mountains of the devte like naina devi near anandpur sahib.
My mum had a hard time once she was married. She came into England to get married at 19 and ever since then my dad used to physically abuse her. He would often come home drunk and hit my mum for not making food or staying up to keep his company even though she had work at 5 am. She suffered this abuse only because she wanted me and my older brother to have a mother figure in our lives. When I was about 8 my father tried to burn my mums hair and from then on she called the police and chose to divorce my dad. I went with my mum but my grandparents took my older brother from my mum and kept him to themselves.
The abuse didn’t stop there. My mum would come and try to get my older brother back but she would get shoved and pushed by my chacha and even my bibi. I even remember my chacha spitting on my mums face.
Ok so reading this do u think that my dad or chacha would have a devta come into him and bless everyone. A person that drinks eats meat and abuses his wife. He also has a lot of krodh and gambles a lot.
For me and my brother my mum came back to this terriable family and she isn’t suffereimg abuse from my family as me ad brother are older, but once my dad hit my mums arm And me and my brother put my dad in A and E. Why didn’t he get the spirit of chandi then to come a defend him?
My mum has been through so much because of my dad, how can he be blessed with such a thing. I have seen this spirit in himself and all he does is shake his head, stick his tounge out and make noise.
My mum japs naam a lot and even though she is a Radha Soami, it’s because of her I’m a amritdhari sikh today at 17, I took Amrit at the age of 12 and the only person that backed me to take Amrit and drove me 3 hours to London for the Amrit sanchar was my mum. She would sing shabads to me before going to bed and tell me ithihaas of shaheeds and she would always say guru ji loves us very much, she also attendeds the gurdwara and does seva. She has completed a medical degree and my brother is also doing his now at a top uni (and daas is completing his a levels to join them!), my grandparents say it’s because of the devte in my dad but I think it’s because of maharajis and my MUMs kirpa. She would always pray that we won’t end up like my dad or baba (he also used to hit my bibi). It looks like my mum has been blessed not my dad who says he has dreams of durga ji talking to him and saying everything’s going to be ok. Also to get my mum back when she was divorced he would go to all of these babay and offer money and I even think he did some wired stuff as he used to take my mums pic and put a tilk and stuff on it. But my mum never came back because of that BS she came for me and my brother as sheknew we were struggling and she took my brother from failing his exams to starting a medical degree, again something my dad says his devte in him did.
So as a amritdhari, should I believe this? Do u believe this?
Yeh my dad was physically abusive and horrible when I was young aswell.
Maybe he's changed or maybe he hasn't.
Let him believe what he wants to and you believe what u want to believe. Forgive him but be wise in who you choose as Company.
Focus on your own life. If you're still living in his house and he's still abusive, report him. Don't beat him up don't Lower yourself
God bless you
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On 03/01/2018 at 9:01 PM, Guest Kaur 2 said:
VJKK VJKF
I can totally understand how you feel. My whole family believe in devi/devte and they have had a puja done quite a few times in the house. Then because I am a child I am forced to participate and inside me my heart is breaking because I know that idol worship is wrong. However, me and my siblings (me, my 2 brothers and my sister) don't believe in it. When stuff like that is going on then we exchange glances and we feel each others pain. The adults however, believe in all of it and make us believe it too. Once when I sat down and spoke to my mum about how I felt doing all of this stuff she called me racist. I felt so bad because she didn't understand where I came from. I always dread raksha bandhan because I forced to tie that stupid string on my brothers. I don't need my brothers protection when I have Guru Ji's Shastar by my side all the time. Once I showed my mum pangti's about where gurbani tells us about idol worship and then she got angry and told me that she is going to buy me a gutka that doesn't have meanings. The point is that if the adults don't tell us kids true sikhi then how will we be able to live a gursikhi jeevan. I understand you when you talk about devte etc. The point is that shouldn't we be worshipping the One Creator who made those devte? Even when my mum does Karva Chauth me and my sister say straight up that when we get older we aren't going to fast. I understand your feelings and this has been bugging me for AGES. It feels so good to finally let it out.
VJKK VJKF
Were not forced to do anything.
Guru Gobind Jis infant sons were being forced into converting Islam but they refused. They were killed standing up for their beliefs and freedom of choice.
I believed in what I wanted when I was younger. I was called a rebel child by alot of people. But at least I was free.
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On 05/01/2018 at 11:31 PM, Guest Dukhi said:
Here's a good G I got married 4 years ago and my wife was from Indiana and she's completely different than how I even imagined her she's really difficult with my parents she's not making any effort to you know blend in with the family and I've tried telling her numerous times you know I've treated her well I never never disrespect her I just I just don't want to get a divorce but I just feel so confused on what to do I blame my car my blame you know everything that's happened and I just don't know what to do you know what I really don't want to get a divorce but I just feel like in order to maintain my sanity I might have to but I'm wondering why does God sometimes do this to us like i dunno
Couples counselling would do u both good.
Try it, you don't want a divorce and you have nothing to lose. At least you'll know you tried to make it work if u still want to.
Live free.
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On 24/12/2017 at 5:16 PM, Kira said:
Basically the story was the demon (called Gayasura) did immense tapisya to the point that all of the Trinity came to grant him a boon. He said he wanted the power to liberate anyone he looked at, So they granted it. Didn't take long for them to realise things were getting bad on Earth, since people could do all sorts of immoral things and just go get darshan of the demon to wipe their slates clean.
So Vishnu intervened and asked the demon to go into the earth, the demon agreed. Vishnu then placed a foot on the demon's head and submerged him into the Earth.
There's a hindu mandir at the spot.
I'm guessing liberation was sending people to some heaven. Though you have to admit that's a pretty neat superpower.
This is why demi God's shouldn't be able to grant gifts that are adverse to Truth.
Gurbani says without virtue, there is no service
Yeh there are Demi God's, ghosts, demons, angels other beings etc.
Why wouldnt there be when His Power is infinite and He can make anything happen n create whatever He wants
The more you accept other beings and His entire Creation, regardless of what it may be like, the more your heart expands in Nirvair and Love for all of Him.
No matter if it's an angel or the devil himself, it's all just God's Darshan so we bow to it in acceptance and move on. We don't fear anything or anyone because they're and it's all just Him
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20 hours ago, lostconfussedsingh said:
Its disguisting the behaviour i have seen on daughter in laws here in the uk of all places i know and seen many happenings which i can't describe or say on here
Yeh I agree.
In Ego, people lose sight of compassion and Humanity.
Humbling yourself is the only way to keep your head on the ground and remain detached from the foolishness.
Then you can see it for what it is. People need to start standing up against rubbish like this.
I've noticed in certain cultures, men seem to think they can do what they want to women and treat them badly. It's ridiculous, we are all equal and all God's children, this is what us humans fail to understand, recognize and accept.
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Basically, mother In laws treating daughter in laws badly, and husband's doing the same is a massive issue in the UK especially I've noticed and should be addressed.
Many cousins I have even women born in the UK have been treated badly by mother in laws and husbands.
Yeh daughter in laws can wreak havoc also but these are the main issues I've personally come across.
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5 hours ago, Guest whiplash90 said:
Well just like Sikh boys living in the West are facing peer pressure to cut their hair and discard their patkas and turbans I presume the opposite is happening at the Central Khalsa Orphanage. Imagine an orphaned Hindu boy who is 6 years old and short hair being admitted to the Central Khalsa Orphanage, even if he was not required to grow his hair and wear a patka by the administration of the orphanage, he would be under tremendous pressure to do so by the other boys who have unshorn hair and wearing patkas
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/03/08/otr-india-religion-newton-pkg.cnn
If he wants to then fine. If not then he shouldn't have to. He should be allowed to choose. If his parents were Hindu or Muslim he may end up being resentful that he was made to wear certain items.
How would this make the Orphanage owners different from Hindu or Muslim tyrants from back in the day.
Gurus taught respect of freedom of choice of others, regardless of their views of other faiths.
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On 22/12/2017 at 12:48 AM, jkvlondon said:
so you proposing barber should called on monthly basis and paid for by gursikhs to go against the hukham of Guru ji? They will be sinning two times against children and against Guru ji's hukham. Baru Sahib also have strict rules on not cutting hair and wearing dastars/chunnis so are they also wrong?
Kids should be allowed to make their own choices within reason. Bhagat Prahlad Ji was young and knew his own mind when he stood up to his father's tyrannical ways.
My parents gave us freedom of choice all our lives and it ended up with me being the only one in our entire family group including cousins(I have many), who doesn't drink smoke and believes in God and recognises myself to be a bhagat.
That's what freedom of choice did for me.
Had I been forced to grow my hair long and wear a patka from a young age, chances are id have taken it off like a huge number of my cousins.
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On 20/12/2017 at 1:49 PM, Guest Someguy said:
Hey guys.
So I have been doing paath for around 6 months everyday but I always feel like something is missing. At first I did Japji Sahib and then Chaupi Sahib. I thought this feeling would go away if I did Tav Prasad Savyea. So I did this. After 2 months, I felt the feeling again. So I though of doing Jaap Sahib (as I always wanted to do that but it was too hard
). I did this for a few days the feeling when away (for like 3 days) but that feeling is back again.
Why is this feeling there?
Also everytime I think about bani I feel like that, do you guys know the feeling of being soo happy and then you remember that feeling and then when you get that feeling, you want to get that feeling back? , yea its sort of like that but when I do bani I dont feel anything, but when I remember it I feel like I missed out on the happyniess?
Why is this happening?
Also you guys have any tips for Jaap Sahib. (How to say it faster, it takes me almost 2 hours to do Japji Sahib, Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Saveya, and Chaupi Sahib ......
Jaap Sahib takes 1 hour 10 min
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Do you work? And do you exercise.
Balanced mind = 9-5 work
6-7pm gym
7pm onwards, meditate.
Also take your meditation further n higher. Take it to the next level.
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13 hours ago, Guest whiplash90 said:
Hello Guys
I found out that the Central Khalsa Orphanage based in Amritsar requires that its non-Sikh boys who are admitted be required to grow their hair and wear patkas until the age of 12 and turbans until they turn 18 in which they can cut their hair again.
What do you think of this?
The kids should be free to make their own choices
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On 17/12/2017 at 3:49 AM, Guest Incompatible said:
Thoughts are on what people do when their marriage is troubling and not the greatest feel God has forsaken me
Get counselling
And strengthen your faith. Pain is the medicine and pleasure is the disease. Pain is the push we need to recover from our mental illnesses and to embrace and walk into the light.
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21 hours ago, Guest Incompatible said:
Thoughts are on what people do when their marriage is troubling and not the greatest feel God has forsaken me
See a counseller
Read Gurbani and apply it to your life. Trust in Truth.
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19 hours ago, Dsinghdp said:Why are so many white British leaving the UK to go to Australia?
Quality of life. Sun, beaches, it's a great place to bring up kids etc.
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On 04/12/2017 at 11:48 PM, Guest learner said:
Sadhsangat ji if a sikh commits a big sin does his family have to suffer for consequences or it will be only that person who have done something wrong will be punished. As Guru ji said in bani ape beej ape hi khaho. Plz enlighten
No, we reap what we sow. We don't reap what someone else sows.
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Please Read- it brings peace
in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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I didn't say they weren't able to not feel the pain.
I'm saying they chose to embrace it, detach n move on.