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Everything posted by FreshMind13

  1. If aap ji knows of such a saroop we can call original, I do ardaas to Guru Sahib to have Darshan of this saroop. Otherwise, I will follow what Panthic scholars say on the matter.
  2. This was already done, and the Birhs were stored in the Sikh Reference Library (which housed one of the most Shudh birhs) for vidhvaans to research. Sadly it was gone after 1984.
  3. There is also another system called Pingal, only a few rare scholars know about it. Since Gurbani is poetry, it follows styles such as Chant, Solok, Dohira, etc. These systems have a sent count of Lagamatras (vovels) to be used in each stanza. I so far have not been able to do much research into this as there is much if any information on this. I know it is used a lot in modern Punjabi music, but I do not know if the same Pingal system can be applied to Gurbani or if Guru Sahib has created his own.
  4. According to Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara and Former Jathedaar Bhai Joginder Singh Vedanti, the 4 Birhs that are claimed to be written by Baba Deep Singh are not authentic. When they did a compassion of the 4 Birhs, they found many mistakes between them. How can the same Likahri make different mistakes in the birh? Yes the birh that is Parkash daily ar Sri Darbar Sahib is larivaar, but it cannot be used for corrections. You cannot use 1 birh for corrections, there is no such thing as 1 shudh birh (maybe there is, but no one in modern history has had darshan of such birh). Anti-Sikh forces have been poking their noses in for a while. The saroops written during the time of Raja Ranjit Singh are mostly ignored as they are full of mistakes made by the hired likharis. Doesn't matter if the birh is from Hazur Sahib or from some other historical location, the authenticity of the birh is determined by the accuracy of the Gurbani in the birh itself. Gurbani Vyaakaran (knowlegde of how the lagamatras impact the grammer and arth of words) is needed to do this. After going thru the research, you can have a sigh of relief. 99% of the Gurbani in current printed Saroops are Shudh. The differences include lagamatras as you mention. But these aren't to be taken lightly, lagamatras can change the meaning of words. This is why knowledge of Gurbani Vyaakaran is needed. Very learned scholars (such as the khojis I mentioned) of Vyaakaran can tell mistakes in the text from the lagamatras alone, but this is rare. Also take into account Gurbani Vyaakaran is being suppresed by groups who want to maintain their own schools and methods. Aside from lagamatras, the 2nd most diffriencating thing are the Sirlekhs before baani and the Mangls. After that would be spelling of words and even some missing panktis of shabads. All I know is that SGPC in the 70's and 80's was actively funding and promoting reseach on puratan birhs. The modern corrupt SGPC probably doesn't even have this on their focus. I know some agencies are doing "Agan Bhet" of puratan birhs to get rid of our Virasat. Honestly, I am strongly agaisnt printing of Birhs. Sure maybe back when printing presses came to Punjab, the cause was noble. But now it is just a business, there is no respect left from mass producing birhs. This is the same problem that happened when during Misl and Raaj Era, rich Sikhs would commision birhs to be written en-masse. The only positive thing about printing is that printed saroops are more consistent, but thats about it.
  5. There is no original saroop available today sadly. The Damdami Birh is lost, the authenticity of the current Kirtarpuri Birh is in question, we also don't have the Birh of Hazuri Likhari Bhai Hardaas Ji, which had included Ninth Patshah baani before Damdami Birh and was given Nishan by Dasam Patshah. Then we also have the Sikh Reference Library being looted in 1984 by the Indian Army (Not burned, it has been confirmed the birhs were stolen). We still do not know where these Birhs are even though Indian High Court ordered government to return them. While this may be a shock to common Sikhs, it is common knowledge in gupt scholarly circles who preserve the research done by late scholars like Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara, Bhai Randhir Singh (Scholar), Gyani Gyaan Singh Nihung, and others who spent decades going akhar by akhar, lagamatra by lagamatra comparing hundreds of puratan birhs.
  6. This is nothing new, scholars are aware of the various textual differences between birhs of SGGS Ji. Their work has been compiled but kept gupt.
  7. FreshMind13

    Z in Punjabi

    Which is why I mentioned where I base my knowledge from. Most ucharan is 95% similar anyway, its just the 5% that is higher/advanced/scholarly level. For the average person starting out, they should learn Muharni and the Lagamatras and not put too much dubdha in their minds.
  8. FreshMind13

    Z in Punjabi

    Your first example is correct. It means ਰਜ਼ਾ, hukam de razza vich chalna. While it isn't needed as the meaning still stands, but it's nice to use the original pronunciation of the word. Second example is odd, there is santhiya that teaches where to pronounce pair bindi and not to. For example in Jaap Sahib: ਨਮੋ ਰਾਜਸੰ ਤਾਮਸੰ ਸ਼ਾਤ ਰੂਪੇ ॥ This is wrong, because it a reference to Rajo, Tamo, and Sato gun, correct pronunciation is: ਸਾਤ. (Notice there is no Bindi on Kanna Either) But later on in the Chand, we have: ਨਮੋ ਕਲਹ ਕਰਤਾ ਨਮੋ ਸ਼ਾਂਤ ਰੂਪੇ ॥ This is correct, because it refers to ਸ਼ਾਂਤੀ (Peace). I am a firm believer to have correct Arth you need Santhyia, if you do wrong ucharan you are unknowingly (or some are knowingly) changing arths. I'll admit my bias is more toward Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh's book Gurbani Lagamatra di Vilakhanta and Bhai Joginder Singh Ji's Shudh Uchaaran book (who researched Sampardaiye and Modern missionary pronunciation and spent decades doing Khoj on puratan birhs.) Their work is book form, hopefully it can taught as well.
  9. I don't remember predicting it, but over the years small issues and controversies have been caused by him. It comes now I guess after all these issues piled up.
  10. Because they are a big jathedbani! It was started by Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji and it was only known as the "Jatha". The formal name "Akhand Keertani Jatha" only came after Gurdwara Committees started referring to the Jatha by that name, because of their nature of doing Akhand Keertan. Do some research, I've seen your comments and replied to them as well on Reddit. Don't go around assuming things, that's one the main problems within our Panth atm.
  11. Reasons are given in the letter.
  12. I can confirm this is true. They aren't affiliated, and the PKMC founder was kicked out.
  13. FreshMind13

    Bhai Ajit Singh - Slough Shootings

    I did mention in the other thread about GMG Gurdwara, that someone mentioned to me that the Ajit guy has gangs. Seems like it was true.
  14. That is against the Vidhi that is taught. It is either Wahe Guru or Waheguru. He is splitting into 4. I never said anything against doing Simran loud or quiet. You are right, starting with loud simran is how older Singhs would do simran.
  15. He only splits into 2, which I mentioned is done for explaining the vidhi. When doing simran, this doesn't get split into 2 though it may sound like that. PMKC is splitting it into 4 words, not 2.
  16. Yes, for explaining the Vidhi, Gurmantar is split. But only for explaining! You aren't supposed to do simran that way. This Sri Akal Takht Hukamnama was given more than a decade ago, when Bhai Joginder Singh Vedanti was Jathedar (who I personally believe was the last Jathedar who was panthic and was respected). Where am I misleading the Sangat? Nindyia of what? Naam Simran? Naam Simran is a core aspect of Sikhi, how can I do nindya of that? Rather it was the group doing Beadbi of the Gurmantar by doing simran by splitting it into 4 words (with pauses). Who should I look to? Dhumma? He is part of the same clan with Badal/RSS and under them SGPC. This issue has nothing to with SGPC.
  17. I'm surprised that SikhSangat hasn't noticed this. Guru Maneyo Granth, Ajit Singh, MySimran.info, all of these are followers of Prabh Milne Ka Chao started by Sewa Singh Tarmala. This group was called out by Sri Akal Takht Sahib for doing simran by splitting Waheguru Gurmantar into 4 words (Wa He Gu Ru) and were stopped. Very suspicious bunch. I heard from some UK guys that shots were also fired in that Gurdwara and they have "gangs", though I don't have any evidence for that.
  18. He has influence because of Sant Samaj and Dhumma.
  19. FreshMind13

    Effects of Dasam Granth Bani

    No, Akal Ustat does not equal 16,000 or whatever japs of Waheguru. One needs to do simran of Gurmantar themselves, there are NO shortcuts in Sikhi, only Gurmat.
  20. https://archive.org/details/LifeOfBandaSinghBahadurBasedOnContemporaryAndOriginalRecordsDr.GandaSingh
  21. Baba was given to people who were shaheed. If you need more info on Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, read Dr. Ganda Singh's book.
  22. No printed Saroop/Senchi/Gutka is shudh. Scholars have done decades of research that is currently being kept gupt due to the state of the Panth. Read this comment by Singh Fauja if anyone want's a top of the iceberg explanation.

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