Gagan1995

"Here comes a Hindu with a agenda to misinterpret the Great Guru’s achievements. You just need to F. O. from the forum before you do further damage to sikhi with your RSS agenda. " TROLL GTFO

First , stop throwing a tantrum you wild <banned word filter activated> . This is a fictional discussion with no reality whatsoever , if you're so butthurt , then don't comment. He didn't defeat the mughals , they were still very strong when they captured and killed Banda . They were still around for another 60 yrs . He also didn't have the best weapons , no sword or kirpan can out duel a Ak 47 or M17 or a Sniper Rifle. He wrote the Zafarnama after he was betrayed by Auranzebed , I would clearly tell him about this betrayal before it happened. Since I'm from the future and already know of the past events , I could clearly make a great battle plan without much thought , knowing all the past's detail . How about you show respect to fellow posters , you're not above anyone .

You have a time machine and the intelligence of 2018 , anything you do in the past won't effect your birth , you can only go to the past once and only 1 time period like 1720 or 1840 . You can stay in the past for 1 month . You can interact with the historical persons but you can't hurt or harm them , but you can sway their opinions if you know how manipulation works. You also won't die the past , no weapons or words can hurt you . So the question is , which time period will you go to , how would you change or shape huge events that happened , will you use the present knowledge to help you "tribe" win wars and battles . How will you change the coarse of history . What I'd do. 1. Go back precisely 3 months before Guru Gobind Singh was assassinated, warn him of the assassination and provide him with plans to defeat the mughals. 2. I would give him blue prints to build modern guns / weapons . Infact I would bring a few sniper rifles / Aks' in the past with me to show them how to attach and deattach weapons. 3. I would show him lies of Aurangzabed and the plans of his treacherous house keeper gangu . 4. I would spend the whole month making armor and filling weapons for the Sikh Soldiers and provide them with tactical gear. 5. I would also adivse Guru of the other enemies beside the mughals like Afgans and brits . Obviously as time goes on , Sikh Empire would effectively take over the sub continent and further beyond. [

Fact is 84 had huge ripples in the economy . Hell , young men in Panjab were getting picked up and killed at random all throughout the 90's , have you forgotten KPS Gill and his cronies ? The male population is Panjab was affected greatly and then the government started spreading drugs in the state , tell me why Haryana and Himachal don't have a serious drug problem ? Yes, Panjab today is mostly developed as I was surprised to see when I went back this January but there have been huge problems the directly affected the growth.

It's only doing better because Panjab went through 84 . You lack common sense

The greater Punjab State was split into three . Punjab was further reduced . I feel that Sikhs could've spread Punjabi influence throughout the state with time and we would've had a powerful state that ruled over the country . Now Punjabis speaking areas were taken and put into Haryana and Himachal .. This was a terrible mistake. ... Also Haryana it self is a poor man's version of Panjab . Harvani isn't a language and their state is a complete RAPE LAND and backwardness Crap hole. There is not such thing is Harvani culture , it's just a knockoff of Panjabiness , they lack an Identity.

Why isn't SGPC spending millions on sending missonaries to poor North India areas to convert people ? They steal millions for themselves but not to further Khalsa .. Numbers are power.

That could've been dealt with after the defeat of the mughals and the formation of Sikh Empire . Think of this , if the Sikhs had set up an empire during the time of Banda , it would've never had leaders to fell into the clutches of the dogras , and on top of that , it would've been around for 150 yrs before the Brits started the war , infact , I doubt the brits would've ever started a war , since Sikhs would'n't have had weak leaders after Maharaja Ranjit . But , I diving into a whole :" fantasy , what if scenarios " which are completely pointless.

The point is , they should've set aside their silly differences and fought against a common evil , a great evil that was a threat to all non muslims .

The way Muslims were able to get their country was by starting riots all over the country just years before 47, this was led by the Muslim league . This convinced the british to partition the country. Sikhs on the other hand had weak leaders like Tara Singh " newly converted hindu " who was a pawn for the congress party , on top of being lied to by snaked like Nehru / Gandhi who had promised Autonomy for Panjab . If Sikhs " leaders " had agreed to a plan of Dr. Ambelkader to convert 30 million dalits to Sikhism , that would've gave Sikhs numbers in negotiation , and on top of that , If Sikhs had started Riots during these years , where India had no military , that could've convinced the brits to give Sikhs their own land . Also Sikhs had the best trained Jathas during these yr , due to their service in WW2 , Sikhs had active soldiers with experience and weapons to get their demands , not the muslim league nor the disgusting Congress could've stopped a small but powerful minority Sikhs . This way , Sikhs could've had , all of modern Pakistan , plus Kashmir , East Punjab , Haryana , Himachal , Uttarkhand , North Rajastan and east UP . Plus, there's would've definitely been a war between Sikhs and Afganistan , which Sikhs would've won , and taken chunks of afganistan ... So much for that .

This is about the battle between Baba Banda Singh Bahadur and Mughals, when Banda captured many territories in Panjab , mughals put their full effort on getting him. Now Baba Banda and many soldiers were held up in a fort that was surrounded by mughals , and it turned out many Sikh sects had abandoned him because they didn't care for his leadership over khalsa and also that one of Guru's Gobind's wife was staunchly against him , which led to a division in Sikhs . Now this only gave an edge to the Mughals. Banda and his men were captured , all gained territory was lost, this led a period of darkness where Sikhs were fractured and mini halocausts were happening every other yr . Had Baba Banda received cavalry and escaped for another day, he could've united the Sikh raj well before Maharaja Ranjit Singh.