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I thought aroras were literally khatri?

are rajputs considered to be khatris?

ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ ਵਰਣਮਾਲਾ ਦੇ ਨਿਤਨੇਮ ਦਾ ਮਹਾਤਮ ਸੱਚਖੰਡਵਾਸੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਬਾਬਾ ਮਿੱਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ ਮਾਤਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਜੀ ਨੰਦੇੜ ਤੇ ਸੱਚਖੰਡਵਾਸੀ ਸੰਤ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਗੁਰਬਚਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਅਤੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਿਸਲ ਸ਼ਹੀਦਾਂ ਤਰਨਾਦਲ ਦੇ ਬਾਰਵੇਂ ਮੁਖੀ ਸੱਚਖੰਡਵਾਸੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਬਾਬਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਮਰਯਾਦਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਵੇਲੇ ਇਸ਼ਨਾਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ ਵਰਣਮਾਲਾ ਦੇ ਪੈਂਤੀ ਅੱਖਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਜਾਪੁ ਕਰਿਆ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਪੈਂਤੀ ਅੱਖਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਜਾਪੁ ਬਾਰੇ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਸਨ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਲੋਕ ਦੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੁਨਿਆਵੀ, ਧਾਰਮਿਕ ਗਿਆਨ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਗਿਆਨ ਤੱਕ ਦਾ ਖਜਾਨਾ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਪੈਂਤੀ ਅੱਖਰਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਸਮੋਇਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ ।ਜੋ ਵੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਵੇਲੇ ਉੱਠ ਕੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ ਵਰਣਮਾਲਾ ਦੇ ਪੈਂਤੀ ਅਖਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਜਾਪੁ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸਨੂੰ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਘਾਟਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ ਕਿ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਜੀ! ਊੜਾ ਤੇ ਜੂੜਾ .ਖਾਲਸੇ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਾਨ ਹੈ। .ਖਾਲਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਕਦੇ ਵੇ ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬੇਮੁਖ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਂਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ। ਸ੍ਰੋਤ – ਸੰਪ੍ਰਦਾਈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਉਚਾਰਣ ਬੋਧ , ਗਿਆਨੀ ਗੁਰਵਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ The Greatness Of Gurmukhi Varanmala Singh Sahib Jathedar Baba Mitt Singh Ji (Sevadar Mata Sahib Devan Ji Nanded), Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale and Jathedar Baba Bishan Singh Ji (12th Mukhi of Misl Shaheedan Tarna Dal) were all known to do jaap of the Gurmukhi Varanmala (alphabet). Baba Bishan Singh Ji was known to do Jaap of the Varanmala whenever they would have Ishnaan at Amritvela. When Gursikhs asked the reason for doing so Baba Ji would say, “All knowledge, be it from worldly knowledge to Brahamgiaan, is contained in the 35 Akhars of Gurmukhi. Whoever awakes at Amrit Vela and does Jaap of the Gurmukhi Varanmala, they never face any shortage.” Baba Ji would say that the Gurmukhi Alphabet and Kes are the life force of every Khalsa. A Khalsa should never turn their back on either of these. Source – Sampardai Gurbani Ucharan Bodh by Giani Gurwinder Singh Ji Hopefully this helps, copy and pasted from a article that this topic reminded me of (from nihung santhia) The Greatness Of Gurmukhi Varanmala (nihungsanthia.com)

thats a bold statement, householder life is not a requirement but what maharaj have told sikhs is that a celibate should never look down upon householders as if being celibate automatically makes them more liberated contrary to people nowadays narrating it as maharaj being against celibacy as from producing offspring go, why dont need to depend on that, thats never how sikhi grew

I think the person was implying that the charitars of maya shown by maharaj in their bani might have frightened many from engaging in grihast jeevan edit: let me reword the word "frightened", "wary" would seem more appropriate

its okay bibi, maharaj has 96 crori fauja tyaar bar tyaar, we dont need to worry about sikhi getting eradicated when it survived even when Maharaj only had 3 singhs by his side in machiwara

you referring to baba santa singh?

Mohali is moreso powadhi innit

Doaba is pretty weak and home to very quasi sikh demographic, we have most deras and pakhandis (beas radhasoamis, nakodar, etc.) Jalandhar is known to be a more urban and urban sikhs tend to be sort of not as panthic as rural populations Hoshiarpur is slightly more rural but also haa a large non sikh population Sikhs of Doaba tend be lot more into deras and all that evidently

About Vadde mahapurkh's early life before joing Sant Sundar Singh ji's jatha, is it true they had taken pahul from Budha Dal and had been a nihang singh before hearing Sant Sundar Singh jee at a smagam where budha dal mukhi Akali Baba Teja Singh were also present. There are several different views on this, and since most of sangat here is from England, fortunately residence to sachkhand niwasi Giani Gurdev Singh ji, Giani Pritam Singh Likhari ji and other prominent singhs of jatha bhindran, I was wondering if anyone had heard something of the sort from a singh etc., there are people saying Vadde Mahapurkh used to consume jhatka once and degh as well until becoming mukhi of Taksal. Just want to clarify the details. Would appreciate any further khoj done. Anything about this in sri gurmukh prakash or giaan kirna or khalsa vachitar jeevan?

Is anybody really surprised by the family's reaction? Society has been undergoing moral decay for quite some while now, and this honestly isnt even the worse of what filth is out right now (cough, Karenjit Vohra, cough). No fuss to be made about "Punjabi" folks doing this stuff when its been happening for decades now, but we must actively seperate this from sikhi and not let any illusion of this being allowed within the religious perimeters of faith and what pisses me off more than the girl (which barely does as being Panjabi shouldnt simply gaurantee a higher degree of modesty or chastity and women around the world would kill to have what she has achieved) are the "sikhs" celebrating this. We shouldn't be celebrating this nor feel threatened, our sikhi isn't weak enough to be threatened by this. Filth has thrived in this world throughout kaliyug. Appealing to older values of anakh and chivalry isn't going to help since that has been evidently dead for a while now, instead we should look past and not give these contests and the women competing what they crave: attention.

do we really need a single rehras sahib, sure it would be good to have one standardized for the majority of mainstream gurudwaras, and one that acts as an minimum and one can argue the taksal one already functions as a baseline minimum; ofc I agree on the issue being not what one does paath of but the puratan original maryada from which I take it that you mean its okay if an individual has a different rehras evening nitnem that builds on top of the existing versions of rehras sahib (not to further dilute maryada, just as abhias)? speaking of finding what is right, that is why I had asked whether anyone knows if these gutkas can be found on the gurmat veechar website or anywhere else?

that is sad, are there any sources clearly describing the events in which they were ousted, was it due to differences in maryada? sgpc claim they already had control over the thakt before the "intoxicated nihangs" came and took over were renowned leaders like kartar singh jhabbar behind this as well surely not all of babbar akali lehar or singh sabha lehar can be stained by this considering mahapurkhs like sant sundar singh ji and sant attar singh ji spearheading and taking an active part in the morchas and did widespread parchar in rural areas of punjab for the lehars thanks to which the movement matured outside cities and municipalities

topic old as hell but Im bored ? not sure about taksal, but they stayed and headed the sewa at gurudwara asthan Mata Sahib Devan which was lately under sewa of Baba Prem Singh 96crori who has taught 1000s of vidyarthees (giani sher singh has mentioned that older singhs used to say that they look like Baba Mitt Singh ji in built and roop) and the current mukh sewadaar Baba Teja Singh ji was lately just couple weeks ago made meet jathedar/ghoreya de jathedar of budha dal under Baba Maan Singh ji 96crori Hazuri taksal is more so referred to the Sri Hazur Sahib taksal which has gupt itihas, but its likely Hazur Sahib being such a important institution throughout history did serve as a vidyala for hazuri sikhs and nihangs Sachkhand Niwasi Giani Hardeep Singh ji is infamous for being a mukh sewadar of this taksal in modern day, having standardized and published Hazuri gutkas, having taught bhai ram singh dhupia, Singh Sahib Baba Kulwant Singh, sachkhand niwasi head kathavachik giani amardeep singh and they served at Hazur Sahib for decades as head granthi going back to Baba Mitt Singh ji mahapursh, they had taught many students and imparted vidya and santhia to many, and most infamous of these are Baba Santa Singh budha dal and Baba Daya Singh ji bidhichandiye

so ive been wondering for quite some while now, apart from sampardai, is it okay for individuals to incorporate more bani into their evening rehras as part of their personal abhyaas edit: I think we may have talked about this in another topic way back edit: yea just looked through, it was the "chhota anand sahib" question I asked way back lol

do you mean the one from charitro pakhyan bani? even what we call full chaupai sahib has its swaiye and dohhra from ram avtar bani benti chaupai in itself is the kabiyo baach benti chaupai going upto dookh na tisai biaapat koee and chaupai sahib can be as long as eternity adding swaiye, dohre, arril, chaupais from dasam bani does anyone here know if baba deep singh ji or singh sahib bhai mani singhs gutka sahibs are available on the gurmat veechar website?

Taksal's version of rehras Budha Dal and Hazur Sahib (who have pretty much same as Nanaksar) just have a longer version building on top of the core taksal rehras with longer sodar di chaunki in beginning and longer chaupais

careful khalsa ji, missionaries are going cancel you because the gurbilas granths are granths of bahminvaad written by vidwaans of brahmin lineage ?

coming back to this forum after months, for an update, these are nehkalanki avtar swaiya and 33 swaiye respectively

hanji, he must have been named "kaladhari" by the panth for some reason right? its just one of those instances in history where there are two opposing sides and its hard to imagine either one of them being in the grave wrong like baba banda singh bahadur and tat khalsa on top of how loosely documented these events are we cant even be sure about the authenticity of these events since it can be outside forces trying to create schisms within panth but it seems to play into a theme throughout our itihas of somewhat reformist vs. traditionalists where reformists end up being more dominant and glorified than the others (maharaja ranjit singh and akali panth, sgpc and akali panth, etc.)

hanji, its been months since this topic, shastar seem to be regarded as mahakaal or shakti saroop of parmesur following comes from bhai jivanpal singhs page This translation from Gurbilas Patshahi 6 describes the first time Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji sat upon the timeless throne, Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib, and the Hukam of Akaal Purakh at the time:ਤਖ਼ਤ ਬੰਦਨਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਈ। ਬੈਠੇ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈ॥੪੮॥Guru Ji bowed down to Sri Akal Takhat Sahib with devotion, and sat beside the Takhat (i.e. out of respect Guru Ji did not sit on top of the throne of Akaal Purakh).ਭਗਵੰਤ ਕਹਾ ਯਾ ਪਰਿ ਪਗ ਧਾਰੋ। ਬੈਠਿ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਨਿਜ ਸਤ੍ਰੂ ਮਾਰੋ।Akaal Purakh said, "Sit upon the throne and destroy the tyrants!"ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਕਹਿ ਹਮ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਦਾਸ। ਹਮ ਕੋ ਸੇਵਾ ਬਨੇ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ॥੪੯॥Guru Hargobind Ji said, "O Vaheguru, I am your servant, it only befits me to supplicate in front of you!"ਦੋਹਰਾ॥ ਕਹਿ ਭਗਵੰਤ ਨਿਜ ਮੋਹਿ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਕਛੂ ਨਹਿ ਚੀਨ।Akaal Purakh said, "Do not recognise any difference between me and you"ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਯਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਰਿ ਤੋਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਹਿ ਕੀਨ॥੫੦॥"This Takhat has been named after Akaal (the Timeless One) and no one else" (i.e. Only Akaal Purakh and the Guru who is the form of Akaal Purakh can sit upon the Throne)ਚੌਪਈ॥ ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਦੇਹ ਰਹਾਵੋ। ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਤੁਮ ਯਾ ਪਰਿ ਛਬਿ ਪਾਵੋ।Akaal Purakh said, "As long as you are in bodily form, you should sit on the Throne in all your glory"ਪਾਛੇ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਰੂਪ ਮਮ ਜਾਨੋ। ਮਮ ਪੂਜਾ ਇਹ ਠਾਂ ਠਾਨੋ॥੫੧॥"Afterwards, recognise the Shastar (weapons) as my very form. To worship me place the Shastar on this Takhat". - ਗੁਰਬਿਲਾਸ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੬, ਅਧਿਆਇ ੮Heeding the instructions of Akaal Purakh, Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji ascended upon the throne of Akaal Purakh, to deliver justice and spread the path of righteousness. After Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji left their physical form, the Shastars of Guru Sahibs, Gursikhs and Shaheed Singhs adorn Akaal Purakh Ji's Takhat as their physical form to this very day. This Takhat is of Akaal, no worldly force can destroy the Takhat (throne) of Nirankaar Akaal Purakh.

he was paalit of mata sundri ji, not one of the paal putr of dashmesh pita himself

apparently many also agree that post British conquest, and when Baba Prehlaad SIngh jee returned to Panjab, Anandpur became the new center of Budha Dal rather than Akaal bunga british sources say about 500-600 Akali nihangs were present at Sri Akal Thakt (from times of Ranjit Singh's raj) now imagining even a weaker stronghold of akalis, not sure if they could have done much either way other lose their lives

The key is to be on the side of Gurmat, not nihang or singh sabha. Also you are confusing Babbar Akalis with Nihangs. They are not the same Yes, I was referring to Kartar Singh Jhabbar and the ones who freed the gurudware thx for the response most people seem to be against the SGPC version of the story, is Jhabbar and the gurudwara reformers really to be blamed much as well

why would a sikh even be senator in Rome Rome would be pretty shitty place full of pedos, rapists, and slavery