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1991 edict essentially saying the same. Kharkus made Amritsar to Phagwara meatless, alcohol-less, drug-less etc. People who violated the edict risked their life.

Edict by Kharkus banning bhang, meat, alcohol, drugs, etc. All Kharkus supported it.

Some say Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji did jhatka of goats and not of the Panj Pyare. Well one day a Dhadi got up and answerd it, “Thori kinde Maharaj ne bakre mare. Thori kinde Pyare da sees kataya. Sach aa ki vo bakre nahi c. Vo bakriyan c. Bakriyan da jhatka kita. Bakrea da nahi.”

Check out my blog on the Kharku movement. I just published a biography on Bhai Harmeet Singh Ji PhD. https://sikhfreedommovement.substack.com

Pictures are probably fake. Just pasted his face on to some random guy. Look at a tutorial online it is easy.

I was hearing katha and it said that if you think marriage is mandatory for an amritdhari how come none of the Panj Pyare got married and had kids. We should think before saying Sikhs must be married and have kids.

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That is a copy of the Puratan Janamsakhi. I think it was the first one or one of the first copies of the Janamsakhi to be found

Yes it is one Janamsakhi which is called Puratan Janamsakhi. It is also known as the Macauliffe-wale Janam Sakhi

Hope the sangat enjoys this. @dalsingh101 i would be very interested in your opinion on the puratan janamsakhi.

Below I will post some pictures from the Janamsakhi First image is Guru Nanak with Bhai Bala (Proving he at least existed) and Bhai Mariana dating to 1785 Second image is Guru Nanak with Bhai Bala dated to 1790-1820 Third image is Guru Nanak in Mecca from the Late 18th century Fourth is Guru Nanak as a shopkeeper from the late 19th century Final image is Guru Nanak with a Brahmin from the early 18th century Imtresting how in the earlier images Guru Nanak looks like a Peer or more of a Muslim Saint while in the later ones he look more like a Hindu Saint and even royalty.

Forgive me for any mistakes above

Puratan Janamsakhi is the most contemporary and probably authentic. It was written in the early 1600s making to a very reliable source. Bahi Vir Singh writes it is the oldest janamsakhi though he goes with a mid 1600s date of Guru Hargobinds time. He says the Hindalias have made their own corrupt version of the janamsakhi. He also says that Bhai Bala Wala Janamsakhi is a copy of this while changing parts to fit the agenda of the author who Bhai Vir Singh believes to be the Hindalias. Bhai Vir Singh believe that Sakhis of this Janamsakhi were each written at different times. The third sakhi is written a while after the Mughals while Sakhis about Guru Arjan Dev Jis shabads were, by the language, written during Guru Hargobind Jis time. Another Sakhis appears to be of Guru Gobind Singhs time. The language is south western Punjabi and it does not seem the writer is a professional nor an expert. There are many errors that seem to be copying mistakes. The first Sakhi says Guru Nanak was born in the month of Vaisakh in the third period of the moonlight night. I.e amrit vela. It interestingly says that by the time he was 5 Hindus and Muslims started to consider him and avatar or a saint. There is a lot of Gurbani used in this Janamsakhi. The author makes the mistake of attributing Saloks of the fifth Guru to Guru Nanak.

Out of curiosity how many kids do you have? If you have none then how old are you?

Every Sikh should have as many kids as they can manage. We don’t want Sikhs to have 4 kids when they can handle only 2. Let’s see how many kids the Guru’s had for example. Guru Nanak 2 Guru Angad 4 Guru Amar Das 4 Guru Ram Das 3 Guru Arjan 1 Guru Hargobind 6 Guru Har Rai 3 Guru Har Krishan 0 Guru Tegh Bahadaur 1 Guri Gobind Singh 4 (Maybe 5 because of adopted children) We can see that each of the Gurus had different amounts of kids. Guru Nanak didn’t spend much time with his children so he had two. While Guru Hargobind had 6 from 3 different wives. My point is we shouldn’t have a defined number of kids we need. We should all have kids yes but have as many as you can manage. Just for fun I created an average for how many kids the Gurus had and it is 2.8 so 3. If we don’t count Guru Harkrishan because Guru Sahib was too young to have kids it is 3.11 so still 3. Hope this helped people.

I am reading Suraj Granth and it is beautiful with so much history but some less knowing people are turning to throw it away calling it Hindu and stuff. So if you know any sections or stories that are controversial say it and we can try to examine them. Gonna have Gurbilas Patshahi 6 and 10 soon. We can do the same for both of them.

ਖੁਸ਼ਅਸਤਉਮਰਕਿਹਦਰਯਾਦਬਿਗੁਜ਼ਰਦਵਰਨਾ ਕਿੰਨੀ ਚੰਗੀ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਆਯੂ ਜਿਹੜੀ ਸਾਂਈ ਦੀ ਯਾਦ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਜ਼ਰੇ, Only that part of my life is useful and happy that is spent in remembering the Akaalpurakh ਚਿਹਾਸਲਅਸਤਅਜ਼ੀਣਗੁੰਬਦਿਕਬੂਦਮਰਾ॥੧॥੨॥ ਨਹੀਣ ਤਾ ਭਲਾ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਨੀਲੇ ਗੁੰਬਦ (ਅਸਮਾਨ, ਦੁਨੀਆ) ਤੋਣ ਕੀ ਫਾਇਦਾ# Otherwise what is the benefit to me from this blue sky or the world. (1) (2) ਦਰਾਂਜ਼ਮਾਂਕਿਨਿਆਈਬ-ਯਾਦਮੀ-ਮਰਮ ਜ਼ਦੋਂ ਤੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਆੳਂੁਦਾ, ਤਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਮਰ ਮਰ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ, For any moment that you are out of my remembrance, I feel that I am dying, ਬਗ਼ੈਰਯਾਦਿਤੂਜ਼ੀਂਜ਼ੀਸਤਨਚਿਹਸੂਦਮਰਾ॥੧॥੩॥ ਤੇਰੀ ਯਾਦ ਬਿਨਾ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਜੀਊਣ ਦਾ ਭਲਾ ਕੀ ਫਾਇਦਾ । What is the purpose of my life (it became worthless) without your reminiscence.(1) (3) ਫ਼ਿਦਾਸਤਜਾਨੋਦਿਲਿਮਨਬ-ਖ਼ਾਕਿਮਰਦਮਿਪਾਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਾਨ ਅਤੇ ਦਿਲ ਉਸ ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਣ ਦੀ ਧੂੜ ਤੋਣ ਕੁਰਬਾਨ ਹਨ, I can sacrifice my heart and soul uninhibitedly for (the dust of the feet of) this holy person ਹਰਆਂਕਸੇਕਿਹਬੂ-ਸੂਇਤੂਰਹਿਨਮੂਦਮਰਾ॥੧॥੪॥ ਜਿਸਨੇ ਕਿ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਤੇਰਾ ਰਾਹ ਵਿਖਾਇਆ । Who has shown me the way to You, the Akaalpurakh. (1) (4) ਨਬੂਦਹੀਚਨਿਸ਼ਾਨਹਾਜ਼ਿ-ਆਸਮਾਨੋਜ਼ਮੀਂ ਉਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਤਾਣ ਅਸਮਾਨ ਅਤੇ ਜ਼ਮੀਨ ਤਕ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨ ਨਹੀਣ ਸੀ, There was no sign-posts on the Pilgrim's way through earth or sky at that time, ਕਿਸ਼ੌਕਿਰੂਇਤੂਆਵੁਰਦਦਰਸਜੂਦਮਰਾ॥੧॥੫॥ ਜਦੋਣ ਕਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਦੀਦਾਰ ਦੇ ਸ਼ੋਕ ਨੇ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਸਿਜਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਡੇਗ ਦਿੱਤਾ । When my longing for Your glimpse made me prostrate in Your honor. (1) (5) ਬਗ਼ੈਰਯਾਦਿਤੂਗੋਯਾਨਮੀਤਵਾਨਮਜ਼ੀਸਤ ਐ ਗੋਯਾ# ਮੈਣ ਤੇਰੀ ਯਾਦ ਬਿਨਾਣ ਜਿਉ ਨਹੀਣ ਸਕਦਾ , O Goya! "I cannot live without Your remembrance, If pining for you ceases, then an end to life is the only thing coveted; ਬਸੂਇਦੋਸਤਰਹਾਈਦਿਹੰਦਜ਼ੂਦਮਰਾ॥੧॥੬॥ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਮੇਰੇ ਸੱਜਨ ਵਲ ਜਾਣ ਲਈ ਛੇਤੀ ਹੀ ਰਿਹਾਈ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਵੇਗੀ । I will be free then to move in the direction of my Beloved." (1) (6) ਦੀਨਦੁਨੀਆਦਰਕਮੰਦਿਆਂਪਰੀਰੁਖ਼ਸਾਰਿਮਾ ਦੀਨ ਅਤੇ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸਾਡੇ ਉਸ ਪਰੀ-ਚਿਹਰਾ ਦੋਸਤ ਦੀ ਫਾਹੀ ਵਿਚ ਹਨ । Both the religion and the actions of the world are in the grip of my beloved, handsome and fairy-faced friend. ਹਰਦੋਆਲਮਕੀਮਤਿਯੱਕਤਾਰਿਮੂਇਯਾਰਿਮਾ॥੨॥੧॥ ਦੋਵੇਣ ਜਹਾਨ ਸਾਡੇ ਯਾਰ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਵਾਲ ਦੇ ਮੁਲ ਬਰਾਬਰ ਹਨ । Both the worlds, this and the next, are (not) equal to or match the price (weight) of just one hair of my friend-mentor, Guru Gobind Singh Ji. (2) (1) ਮਾਨਮੀਆਰੇਮਤਾਬਿਗ਼ਮਜ਼ਾਇਮਿਜ਼ਗਾਨਿਊ ਅਸੀਣ ਉਸ ਸੱਜਨ ਦੀ ਇਕ ਭੀ ਟੇਢੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਦੀ ਤਾਬ ਨਹੀਣ ਝਲ ਸਕਦੇ, "I don't have the strength to bear the intensity of even one of his skewed looks, ਯੱਕਨਿਗਾਹਿਜਾਂ-ਫਿਜ਼ਾਇਸ਼ਬਸਬਵਦਦਰਕਾਰਿਮਾ॥੨॥੨॥ ਉਸਦੀ ਇੱਕੋ ਨਿਗਾਹ ਜਿਹੜੀ ਉਮਰਾਣ ਵਧਾ ਦਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ, ਸਾਨੂੰ ਬਥੇਰੀ ਹੈ । Just one of his (blessed) looks, that prolongs life instantly, is enough for me." (2) (2) ਗਾਹੇਸੂਫੀਗਾਹੇਜ਼ਾਹਿਦਗਹਿਕਲੰਦਰਮੀਸ਼ਵਦ ਕਦੀ ਤਾਣ ਉਹ ਸੂਫੀ ਬਣ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਹੈ, ਕਦੀ ਭਜਨ ਬੰਦਗੀ ਵਾਲਾ ਅਤੇ ਕਦੀ ਮਸਤ ਕਲੰਦਰ । Sometimes, he acts like a mystic, sometimes like a meditator, and other times like a carefree recluse; ਰੰਗਹਾਇਮੁਖ਼ਤਲਿਫਦਾਰਦਬੁਤਿਅਯਾਰਮਾ॥੨॥੩॥ ਸਾਡਾ ਚਾਲਕ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਨਾਨਾ ਰੰਗਾਣ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਹੈ । He is our pilot steering our way; he operates in numerous different postures. (2) (3) ਕਦਰਿਲਾਅਲਿਊਬਜੁਜ਼ਆਸ਼ਿਕਨਾਂਦਾਨਦਹੀਚਕਸ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਲਾਲਾਣ ਵਰਗੇ ਹੋਠਾਣ ਦੀ ਭਲਾ ਕਦਰ ਬਿਨਾਣ ਪ੍ਰੇਮੀ ਦੇ ਕੌਣ ਜਾਣੇ# Who other than his true devotee-lover can evaluate his pearl-like lips? ਕੀਮਤਿਯਾਕੂਤਦਾਨਦਚਸ਼ਮਿਗੌਹਰਬਾਰਿਮਾ॥੨॥੪॥ ਯਾਕੂਤ ਦੀ ਕੀਮਤ ਸਾਡੀ ਮੋਤੀ ਵਸਾਉਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਅੱਖ ਹੀ ਜਾਣਦੀ ਹੈ । The value of this gem is only appreciated by a diamond-rearing-vision. (2) (4) ਹਰਨਫਸਗੋਯਾਬ-ਯਾਦਨਰਗਸਿਮਖ਼ਮੂਰਿਊ ਹਰ ਛਿਨ ਤੇ ਹਰ ਪਲ ਗੋਯਾ ਸਾਡਾ ਹੁਸ਼ਿਆਰ ਦਿਲ During every moment of Goyaa's life, my alert heart and soul are relishing ਬਾਦਾਹਾਇਸ਼ੌਕਮੀ-ਨੋਸ਼ਦਦਿਲਿਹੁਸ਼ਿਆਰਿਮਾ॥੨॥੫॥ ਉਸ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਦੀ ਮਸਤ ਨਰਗਸੀ ਅੱਖ ਦੀ ਯਾਦ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆਰ ਦਾ ਨਸ਼ਾ ਪੀਣਦਾ ਹੈ । the memory of intoxication of his Narcissus-like-imbued eyes. (2) (5) ਬਦਿਹਸਾਕੀਮਰਾਯੱਕਜਾਮਜ਼ਾਂਰੰਗੀਨੀਇਦਿਲਹਾ ਐ ਸਾਕੀ # ਦਿਲਾਣ ਨੂੰ ਰੰਗ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਨਸ਼ੇ ਵਿੱਚੋਣ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਕ ਪਿਆਲਾ ਬਖਸ਼ ਦੇ, O bartender! Kindly spare a heart-warming-shot out of your enjoyable intoxication for me also, ਬਚਸ਼ਮਿਪਾਕ-ਬੀਣਆਸਾਣਕੁਨਮਈਜੁਮਲਾਮੁਸ਼ਕਿਲਹਾ॥੩॥੧॥ ਕਿ ਮੈਣ ਉਸ ਰੱਬ ਨੂੰ ਵੇਖਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਅੱਖ ਨਾਲ ਸਾਰੀਆਣ ਮੁਸ਼ਕਲਾਣ ਨੂੰ ਹੱਲ ਕਰ ਲਵਾਣ । so that with my eyes of recognizing the God-sent prophet, I can solve all my riddles. (3) (1)

I assumed bhawani was referring to the Talwar

Day 1 Got up at 3 am did nitnem and mala of beej mantar and gur mantar. Could have been better (Forgot Rehras) but it is a good start considering I have not been reading bani/doing simrin for a long time.

From what I know puratan Sikhs and many Sants read Panj Granthi. Sukhmani Sahib Shabad Hazare Pt.5 Oankar Sidh Gost Bavan Akhri Japji Rehras Sohila Asa Ki Vaar

I've learned the first pauris by heart so I could effortlessly recitem them, but for everything that comes after it takes me 5 mins per pauri.

I am reading bani in gurmukhi but ut takes too long. Japji Sahib took an hour and I died during Jaap Sahib. How can I improve my reading speed? Should I listen to the bani and follow along in a gutka?

Bhai Gurdas mentions Arti with Sohila.

I've had a brief sort of separation from Nitnem and simrin but I am trying to get back in to it. I woke up at 4AM but was unable to do path as I'm lazy. Hope today U will have kirpa and will be able to do path and simrin.

Time limts on Path is nothing more than superstition. Read whenever you want.