SinghPunjabSingh

12 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Mate, India and Pakistan government both hates us, are you going to call us to stop spending our tourist dollars in India? 

Out of the Sikh population in India and Pakistan combined 99.9% of Sikhs live in India so I would still advocate that if you are going on a trip to that part of the world that we as a Qaum focus our tourist dollars on east Punjab and uplifting our poor Sikhs in the process rather than enriching those who support the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in which 25% of the Sikhs there were killed.

Obviously the more money we as overseas Sikhs invest in east Punjab the faster we can lift many of our brethren Sikhs out of poverty.

2 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

From social media i see there is a huge and visible community of Sikh Punjabi community in Cali .. Fresno mainly i believe  The largest Gurudwara in Sant Jose in US right.  I'm sure you can find someone to meet your needs on marriage and on the other hand find Singhs with kes... See more out there keeping Kes than Canada

Exactly there are 150,000 plus Sikhs in California easy which is in excess of the Sikh populations of Australia, London, Himachal Pradesh or Alberta respectively.

Percentage wise there as many Sikhs in California today as there were Sikhs in the UK around 25years ago.

2 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The Holiest place is Nankana Sahib.

There is no real concept of a Holiest place for Sikhs in the way Muslims pray to a black stone in Mecca. Otherwise why did Sikhs abandon the same to the terrorist state of Pakistan, if so? But in any case, the land of Pakistan is no more holy than east Punjab or the east coast of the States. What matters is our Shabad Guru and Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj which are omnipresent across the planet. So please whatever you do, please don't enrich the Pakistani terrorist regime under the guise of sharda via the pathetic Pakistan yatra! Spend your tourist dollars uplifting our own people in east Punjab instead. Thanks brother!

On 9/30/2021 at 2:03 PM, californiasardar1 said:

1. Meanwhile, clowns like Deep Sidhu are held up as panthic heros

2. This is a community in freefall that doesn't have any standards.

1. Deep Sidhu isn't held up as Panthic hero but has given due respect for walking away from millions of dollars that he could have made as BJP MP or Advocate/Corporate Lawyer in order to stand for the rights of the poor in India.

2. Every other country has sehajdhari political leaders so why would one argue that Bhagwant Mann will do any worse of a job than Badal, Amrinder or Beanta? Surely it's about getting the least worst choice for leadership rather than insisting upon Rehit in a secular democracy. Remember barely above 50% at present when including all the Dera premi's within Sikh numbers and if you are going define only Amritdhari's as Sikhs then the percentage of Sikhs falls to 2% in east Punjab, so logically why would you expect a Kesdhari CM in a secular democracy given those numbers? It's like Muslims in California expecting the Governor's position there. Weight of numbers matter in a democracy.

On 9/30/2021 at 2:20 PM, Premi5 said:

but should it not be the most-qualified person?

Of course it should, or whoever is the least worst option - which Bhagwant Mann clearly was in comparison to anti-Sikh CM's like Amrinder and Badal

On 9/30/2021 at 2:53 PM, californiasardar1 said:

It doesn't matter that he is part of a "secular" party. He is a Sikh in a leadership role.

It is better to have hopefully an honest sehajdhari Sikh in the CM role than dishonest anti-Sikh CM's like Amrinder, Badal and Beanta.

On 9/30/2021 at 5:19 PM, Kau89r8 said:

You guys are reaching ... as if badals or capt were 'Sikhs'...they will NEVER allow a Panthic Khalsa Sikh

what can we do? choose the less evil 

100% agree with you. What you have said is common sense.

On 3/22/2022 at 10:26 PM, californiasardar1 said:

1. The new CM is a mona 

2. it was such a non-story that nobody even mentioned it. 

3. Anyway, I expect this to basically be the death knell for the importance of the Singh image in Sikh politics. For example, the Akali Dal will now feel free to stop pretending to be panthic and put forward a bunch of mona candidates.

1. Yes he was clearly a better option that anti-Sikhs like Amrinder and Badal

2. Good. As in a secular democracy, competency to do the job matters more rather than anti-Sikh characters like Amrinder or Badal being foisted on Punjab by Delhi.

3. Good. Badal Dal have no connection to Sikhi. The societies which keep the false veneer of religion out of secular politics tend to perform better economically than theocracies, for example, Singapore, Japan, Germany, Canada etc in comparison to Pakistan, Mauritania or Afghanistan.

On 3/29/2022 at 6:42 PM, californiasardar1 said:

I understand what the choices were and why people voted for Bhagwant Mann. I would have voted for him before I voted for the Badals, despite the Badals being keshdhari.

You have pretty much answered your own question.

Decent honest leadership will always be more important than Delhi's criteria of foisting anti-Sikh crooks like Amrinder and Badal simply because they look the part.

I am optimistic that Punjab's economy can grow by 50% over the next 5 years or at least double within the next 10 years which is certainly likely to better going than the California economy hopefully.

This is what good governance (irrespective of religious status) can achieve:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/higher-than-national-average-per-capita-income-of-telangana-doubled-in-7-years-says-cm-kcr/articleshow/85345573.cms?from=mdr

23 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

potentially there is another 5th column that threaten to break India in Punjab if they are allowing these franchises. 

That would be cutting their nose to spite their face.

Simple reason Ranjeet is to decisively end any aspirations for Khalistan.

Regardless of the fact that only a minority of Sikhs ever articulated in support of Khalistan. 

After 1984, RAW realised that most Sikhs were so enraged by the Congress Genocide of Sikhs that in the immediate aftermath of June 1984 and November 1984 it was safe to say that most Sikhs had concluded privately that Indira Gandhi had no moral authority or haq to have any connection or control over the Sikh Qaum.

At that point Sikhs were around 63% of the east Punjab population and were on an upward demographic trajectory with only one united Gurdwara per pind. Furthermore, the Muslims and Christians together were collectively around 2%.

And of the remainder 35% of so-called government defined Hindu's around 15% of those were non-Punjabi agricultural migrants who often attended their local village Gurdwara's and most of the indigenous so-called Hindu Punjabi's actually attended Gurdwara's too (and many could and should have been considered Nanakpanthi Sikhs).

In other words out of indigenous Punjabi's the Sikhs were at least 75% plus majority with an even higher percentage of Sikhs in the villages (more like 90%) which is why incidentally the anti-Sikh pejorative of "pendu" has been heavily promoted by anti-Sikh forces in recent years in order to make Sikhs hate our own mother tongue and denigrate the overwhelmingly village background of most Sikhs.

Bear in mind 1984 was a time when seven Amritdhari brothers from Patiala (whose previous family surname was Sharma) died in front of Indira Gandhi's tanks at Sri Darbar Sahib so even so-called Hindu Punjabi's were trending towards the logic and Truth of Sikhi over time.

So the playbook employed upon east Punjab is that the Sikhs are the biggest threat to Delhi (not the Muslims nor the Christians).

Furthermore, remember that the BJP controlled states all have around 15 to 25% of their respective populations as Muslims.

So with the Indian army having an Army budget of $70billion (ten times what it was back in 1984) the Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) are not overly concerned by a potential 10% Muslim minority in east Punjab so long as that helps leave Sikhs a minority there as a result.

As Sikhs are seen as the main threat in east Punjab and indeed within India as we see from June 1984.

The Abrahamic religions are foreign religions with foreign names and foreign loyalties. The word Hindu is an Arabic word. Sikhi is a word from Sanskrit and our Sikh names are indigenous names of primarily Sanskrit origin. Furthermore our Panj Piare were from as far and wide as Dravidian south India, from Odisha in western India, from Dwarka Nagar in Gujarat, from Uttar Pradesh and from Sialkot. So if Sikhi were to gain traction among 250 million so-called Dalits and 1,000 million poor people in India falsely defined as "Hindu's" by the Government enumerators for votebank politics then Hindutva as a concept and divide and rule tactics by the corrupt power structure would end in a self-ruled majority Sikh country with a population of 1.4 Billion.

Ghar wapsi is all well and good in Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat etc. However, to those who perceived Sikhs as the biggest threat to the country by launching and applauding (in the case of the BJP) the Congress Genocide of Sikhs it pays no dividends to discourage Muslims and Christians in east Punjab when they dementedly consider Sikhi a bigger philosophical threat to their corrupt interests within India among non-Abrahamic Dharmic people.

With respect to the apartheid franchises devised by Indira Gandhi and Zail Sin, the reason behind that initially was that Nehru had detached the equivalent of what now in 2022 constitute today 100million erstwhile sehajdhari Sikhs outside of Punjab away from Sikhi in the 1951 census (ie 100million Nanakpanthi Sikhs of leatherworking ancestry like Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj and Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (leader of the Sikh fauj at Guru Sahib's behest), of Bhangi ancestry like Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji, of Kabirpanthi Sikhs (like Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj), Satnami Sikhs, indigenous Assamese Sikhs, various adivasi Sikhs, Vanjara Sikhs, Sikligar Sikhs, Sindhi Sikhs etc, etc, etc.

Within Punjab in order to oppose the Punjabi Suba demands at least 1million erstwhile (often illiterate) Sikhs primarily in the Doaba belt were conned and/or financially persuaded between 1951-1966 to register their children with the surnames of Ram, Kumar, Devi and Rani and to declare their mother tongue as Hindi as a result.

Fast forward to the 1970's when Indira Gandhi and Zail Sin were hellbent upon opposing the Anandpur Sahib resolution, which called for a United States of India (based upon upon a federal model) in which the Indian Army, foreign affairs and a single currency (Rupee) would continue (but with an increased greater number of Sikhs being chosen upon merit in the Armed Forces rather than restricted according to their demographic weight of 2% at the time).

So Sanjay Gandhi and Zail Sin came up with the brainwaves of promoting the Nirankari's and also setting in train the concept of apartheid based Dera's which was put into full motion after 1984.

So long story short, if you make an indigenous people a minority in their own homeland (Sikhs were obviously always a minority in all districts of Punjab prior to 1947) then they can hardly have any realistic aspirations of independence in the current time.

The natives in Canada, the natives in America, the Aborigines in Australia, the Tibetans in Chinese occupied Tibet, the Maori in New Zealand to give five easy examples are not about to get their independence back any time soon.

The Anandpur Sahib Resolution which was a brilliant patriotic concept of federalism was opposed for no rhyme nor reason as the opponents of Sikhs knew that Punjab as the strongest state economy in India would flourish even more and that Sikhi would inevitably grow alongside that as Sikhs were the foremost opponents of Indira Gandhi during the Emergency period (despite demographically being a small minority in the Indian population).

However, the terrorist Indira Gandhi and RAW saw Sikhs as the number one enemy (over and above Pakistan and Muslims or Christians in India) and decided to attack in June 1984 in order to crush and eradicate Sikhi from Indian soil and ensure another general election victory.

By introducing apartheid dera's to a population which was solidly united in the aftermath of 1984 and encouraging the growth of Islam and Christianity in Punjab via state support is a silent non-headline grabbing form of Genocide.

If, as RAW desires, 5-6 million of today's Sikhs of Ravidasi and Mazhabi heritage are successfully rebranded by the powers that be as tomorrow's Hindu Chamar and Hindu Balmiki votebank then at a stroke Sikhs will be a minority in Majha and Malwa (and left as around a 30% minority in east Punjab which is around where we were prior to August 1947 in Majha, Malwa and Doaba), all the while whilst Pakistani puppets like Pannun are milking naive Sikhs with pathetic sham referendums.

The only way Sikhs can stop the rot is by ensuring the success of the Ik Nagri Ik Gurdwara campaign which aims to ensure only one Gurdwara per pind in Punjab (and locality in the west) and the end to associated matrimonial apartheid which it has promoted and enhanced which is leaving the Sikh birth rate in tatters and far below replacement level at 1.61 TFR for Sikhs. 

We need to focus on the poorest Sikhs within our community, on the poorest Hindu Punjabi's, on the poor non-Abrahamic agricultural workers from the same blessed land as Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji and Dasam Pita along with the 250 million so-called Dalits outside Punjab and the 1,000 non-Abrahamic poor people in India who are falsely labelled as Hindu's by the BJP in order to cement votebank politics.

If we do that Sikhs can be a 90% majority in east Punjab and the largest indigenous non-Muslim community in India of 100million plus by the middle of this century and controlling the reins to a $42trillion economy (as opposed to a small demented cabal of corrupt Hindutva crooks).

12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Gurbani decries the ritual of Islam and all religions that veer from the path of worshipping one God. It doesn't condemn the faith; it condemns the follower. 

I disagree. Gurbani is about connecting us mere mortals to Akaal Purakh so that Sikhs can uplift ourselves as individuals and society at large. Followers of any Slavemaster (or Manuwadi) religion are not condemned blindly but the wrongful actions of the same are condemned. Gurmat emphatically condemning Slavery, the caste system, pedophilia, terrorism, Genocide is tantamount to an outright rejection of Islam, Christianity and Hinduism without Gurbani needing to dedicate itself to outright stating that Nazism, Satanism, Islam, Christianity, Manu Smriti, Hindutva are bad.

12 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Look at bhai Mardana, bhagat kabir ji. They were born into muslim families but were they Muslims according to Islam? NO. Their actions and beliefs were not in accordance with Islam.

Exactly Bhai Mardana Ji were the first Sikh in history and the most famous apostate from Islam in Punjab. Similarly, Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj are the clearly biggest opponent of Islam in Gurbani and wholeheartedly rejected the depravity of Islam's racist ideology and Profit Muhammad's own life.

12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

it condemns the HINDU and it condemns the "TURK" 

I don't believe Dhan Dhan Baba Namdev Ji Maharaj were chastising individual followers (of Hinduism or Islam) for not practising Truth (Gurmat/Sikhi). They were roundly rejecting Islam and Hinduism in toto. 

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The implication is the religions in their original forms are both valid. The implication is that the followers have corrupted these religions by fasting, circumcisions, etc.

You fail to understand that if Sikhi criticised the actual religions from the exact moment of their creation (i.e. their reason for being), it would imply that God made a mistake by creating these two religions. Sikhi takes the line that God created good and just religions that were distorted at a later date by Man. 

I disagree. What Sikhi and Mahatma Buddh say is that Bibek Buddhi and Truth have been with human beings since day one. Way before Islam and Hinduism and Christianity ever existed.

Religions that promote circumcision, promote terrorism, promote ethnic cleansing, promote Slavery, promote Genocide, promote pedophilia clearly never came from God. It shouldn't take half a brain cell to work that one out. What Gurbani criticises are fraudsters claiming that the Quran or Manu Smriti or the Bible or the Torah are the word of God. 

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Also, Sikh affiliation 

I disagree. No Sikh hates a Muslim doctor saving lives at hospital or an innocent toddler born to Muslim parents just for the sake of it. Ie we don't dislike Islam for the sake of it. It is when Muslims tangibly impact innocent Kaffir lives in a bad way that Sikhi and Gurbani are criticising the ideology and its adherents. 

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

1. But go listen to ANY Katha performed by the panth's great sants, mahapurash, gianis, kathavachaks of the past 60 years, and you'll not hear anything negative about Mohammed and Islam as a valid belief system. 

2. You'll hear criticism of Islamic PRACTICES or rituals performed by those who say they're Muslims, but you'll NEVER encounter a fundamental disavowal of the validity of Islam as a path to God.

3. Then how can we utilise Sikhi to dismantle Islam when it's always remained in it's good graces? 

4. Didn't Sant Jarnail Singh say that a Muslim should be a good Muslim, a Hindu a good Hindu, etc? There was no, "Muslims should leave Islam" or "Islam is false."

5. Even in relatively recent Sikh history our leadership has sought to make bridges with Islam. What part of Sikhi can we use to stand against Islam that doesn't make it seem like we're just making up 5hit to combat them? Our religious leadership hasn't ever given us ANY ammunition against them. Why?

1. Because our paid parcharaks in the last 50 years have never studied Islam. There has been a blind assumption propgated that all religions and ideologies are equally valid routes to connecting with the Divine. Anybody with a little bit of knowledge would realise how much Genocide and Terrorism the two big Slavemaster religions have unleashed upon the World.

2. That's the fault of our naive and uneducated parcharaks rather than Sikhi. Also our parcharaks seem to assume that because most Punjabi's are Muslims that it cannot be a false religion like Nazism etc.

3. Sikhi gives us the power of Bibek Buddhi which enables all of us to realise for ourselves that Nazism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc, etc are false without Gurbani having to go on a treatise for Aurangzeb's benefit about each.

4. The Chowk Mehta Dera ideology you are referring was tantamount to saying that 2billion Muslims always stay Muslims but become good Muslims (like Islamic State) and that all 1.1 Billion Hindu's become good Hindu's like Manu or Modi and that Sikhi remain forever constricted to those born into Sikh families in Majha and Malwa. In fact the argument is tantamount to saying that Sikhs should never exist in the first place. It wasn't for no reason that prior to June 1984, DDT the term coined by Sanjay Gandhi and Zail Sin held no credibility in the Panth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DICDYAX_O1g

5. Those people are clowns. They are not our leaders. They don't have the right to lead the Sikh Panth. They serve laddoos to the Badals while hobnobbing with the likes of Muhammad Izhar Alam. Similarly, the 2020 types like Pannun are all Pakistani puppets on the ISI payroll.

http://www.sikh24.com/wp-content/uploads/Alam-Dhumma.jpg

 http://www.sikh24.com/wp-content/uploads/Baba_Harnaam_Singh_Dhumma_Badal-610x457.jpg

17 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

1. If ... Sikhs are incapable of preserving their own existence, then such a demographic deserves to be wiped out and replaced by Abrahamics. There's no two ways about it. This isn't us being forced to convert or flee at the end of a sword or a gun.

2. We are actively and happily handing over our future existence to these groups with no prompting from any other group. This is all us.

3. And there is nothing in Sikh religious scriptures that contradicts any of what is occurring.

1. I have to sadly agree with you. If the proliferation of apartheid Dera's continues and the present day Dharam Yudh of "Ik Nagri Ik Gurdwara" (only one united Gurdwara per pind in Punjab and in each locality in the West) then we are staring at demographic oblivion with the community heading towards minority status in east Punjab. 

2. I disagree on that. Some of our people are stupid, yes. However, these demographic time bombs for east Punjab are ALL deliberate. 

i) Muhammad Izhar Alam the Genocidal Killer of Sikhs being appointed head of the east Punjab Waqf Board and tasked with the ultimate of re-activating and re-building 13,000 new Mosques in each and every village was no accident.

ii) Churches being planted on strategic corners in every pind does not happen without RAW's connivance and support. You can bet your bottom dollar that if the same scenario happened in Gujarat, Modi and Amit Shah would tackle it in a flash. A lot of the ex-Punjab Police and cats who became active in the drugs trade in BC are heavily involved in the mushrooming up of these Churches.

iii) Much of the land is also gifted direct by the Government to the RAW's apartheid pushing underlings (the non-Abrahamic Hindutva crowd working to break Sikhs away from Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) as a quid pro quo that all revenues from the apartheid dera's will go to the pimps running those apartheid dera's.

iv) You will never see a Mosque, a Church or a Dera Ballan apartheid dera ever raided by Punjab Police for drugs. These places are safe havens for drug dealing to destroy Sikh youth.

vi) I can go on and on as I have studied this sytematic attempt to destroy the Sikh Panth but I have faith that the Truth of Sikhi will be strong enough to overcome these multi-pronged challenges. People that believe in the enslavement and Genocide of others and in the depravity of the caste simply cannot win. 

3. Gurbani is about spiritually enabling us ordinary human beings to become better people and to enable Begumpura where no one suffers injustice or discrimination.

Unlike the Abrahamic scriptures there is no blueprint in Gurbani that 20% of slave profits captured by the Muslim Ummah should go direct to Profit Muhammad's pocket.

Sikhi arms us with Bibek Buddhi.

We don't need Gurbani to spell out that we should not follow a Genocidal terrorist pedophile racist Slave Trader like Muhammad.

Our own analysis of his demented life should be enough for that.

The 2 billion Muslim demographics will sooner or later sink without trace once all Muslim read and analyse as to what kind of depraved person Muhammad the Slave Trader was.

However, it is our job as Sikhs to ensure that in the interim before Islam and the other big Slavemaster Abrahamic faith both collapse they do not destroy innocent lives in east Punjab in the process.

Similarly, and even more demographically important is that we do not allow the Hindutva apartheid pimps like Dera Ballan to prevent the re-integration of 60 million Nanakpanthi Sikhs of leatherworking ancestry back into the Sikh Panth and the fracturing apartheid divide and rule being implemented against Sikh villages in east Punjab with RAW's backing.     

21 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What you worried about. We can always call this guy to save the day:

The question to ask yourself Dally is why would Bollywood in this instance hone in on a single tribe out of thousands in India?

That tribe represents around 21% of the population of east Punjab and 40% of Sikh demographics in east Punjab.

But in India, the Sikh adherents from that tribal ancestry represent less than 1 in 200 of the population but the Government still encourages Hindu film-makers to name a title as such in order to divide and rule the Sikh community. 

18 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

1. In order to turn Punjab to a Sikh minority, it is one thing for it to become Hindu Majority but it seems to be a two pronged Abrahamic carve up to turn us into a minority.

2. Looking at things, Christians and Muslims are working together until a point comes before they turn on each other.

3. Who the heck wants this to be an Abrahamic subcontinent? 

Correct on all you say Ranjeet Singh but I'd add:

1. It's actually a three-pronged approach as in order to turn Sikhs into a minority by the 2031 census a Hindu majority is not needed.

i) So obviously there is economic labour migration from people perceived to be Hindu's but who with parchaar could readily become new sehajdhari Sikhs in most cases. These folks are essential for the economy of Punjab and provided we assimilate them as new Sikhs there won't be a problem if we simply educate them about our Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji from Bihar and Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. What is today perceived as a problem could turn into a massive demographic blessing for the Panth if we integrate and welcome new non-Punjabi's into the Sikh Panth.

ii) Then you have the two Abrahamic communities who together are currently at around a matching percentage to Muslims in the UK. Both these communities oppose the BJP's anti-conversion and anti-love-jihad/baptism laws. The Christians are planting massive Christian crosses on strategic corners to the pinds where their business franchises are operating. The Muslims having wanted to annex east Punjab into Pakistan in 1947 were given free reign to reactivate and rebuild as many empty mosques by Muhammad Izhar Alam who was appointed head of the Punjab Waqf Board as a reward for his Genocide of so many Amritdhari Sikhs in the 1980's on behalf of the Gandhi family. Badal Dal appointed the killer's wife as an MLA. Hindutva should and does oppose the Abrahamics in their own ruled states. However, Sikhi represents the biggest indigenous threat to the corrupt Indian system and Hindutva out there and hence in east Punjab they are encouraged purely to tilt the scales towards Sikhs becoming a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census. Hindutva seeks to divide and rule whereas Sikhi would unify the poor under Sri Nishan Sahib for the betterment of society.

iii) Last but not least and possibly the most important is the agenda by RAW to rebrand around 5-6 million Sikhs of Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry into tomorrow's Hindu Chamar and Hindu Balmiki votebanks for the BJP nowadays but it was the Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi who initiated this demented ideology with the end target being to leave Sikhs in a decisive minority in Majha and Malwa (given that we are already a minority in Doaba where many of us in the Diaspora have ancestors).

The only way we can fightback against this evil agenda against our Panth is if we unite each and every pind in Punjab under a single united Gurdwara in this decade. There is simply no way for a community split by various apartheid franchise Dera's in a single pind to survive. When Sikhs were killed during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in which 25% of Sikhs were killed there and during the Congress Genocide of Sikhs none of the killers bothered to do a background check on the ancestry of the Sikhs they were killing and that's why desperately need to unite among ourselves as once we are United, no power on this planet cannot stop. United we stand, Divided we fall.

Well said Dally Paji.

There is no (south) Asian identity to be proud of.

People of sub-contiental ancestry in the Diaspora should describe themselves as Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh instead.

(Though I can understand the Muslim and Pakistani desire to describe groomers via the generic term of Asian. As the blanket term has also assisted Pakistani Muslim MP's to represent 10% of the opposition parliamentary seats in England with a party that could come to power in a coalition in 2years time - which would result in at least ten more Mirpuri Muslim Jatts like the pedophile Lord Nazir Ahmad holding serious power. This is in the context of there being no Sikh MP's in Parliament between 2015-2017).

Similarly, there is no Punjabi identity to be proud of.

Most Punjabi's are Muslims. 90% of historic Punjabi's are non-Sikhs.

Pakistani Punjabi's overwhelmingly despise the Punjabi language which they refer to the language of Sikhs as a "Chuhre-Chamaar'ah di Zubaan" because of course they refer to us Sikhs as a "Chuhre-Chamaar'ah di Qaum" (which of course, we are proud of via our Sikh Shaheeds and those greats who wrote our Shabad Guru).

So why are we so brainlessly beating the drum of Punjabiyat?

It doesn't exist!

The only identity we should openly declare and be proud is of being Sikh.

@proudkaur21 it can't even be described as Low IQ thinking.

The best way to describe so-called Sikhs aiding and abetting the planned anti-Sikh agenda of 13,000 newly constructed Mosques in each and every village of east Punjab is that they either hate Sikhi secretly or they are mentally retarded.

What we need instead is a Dharam Yudh in which all of us on push the agenda to unite every single pind (and locality in the West) under a single united casteless Gurdwara asap this decade.

That will be the key to defeating this looming demographic threat in east Punjab that seeks to turn Sikhs into a minority in east Punjab by the 2031 census.

Dhan Dhan Bhai Lalo Ji

I think we as Sikhs need to remind ourselves and others in the Panth that spiritually Bhai Lalo Ji as a GurSikh represents a bigger and better Sikh than Ranjit Singh (for all his political and secular achievements).

@Kau89r8

Professor Sahib make a very deep and sincerely heartfelt point in relation to the likelihood of Sikhs becoming a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census (just like we already are in Doaba despite many of the Sikh Diaspora having roots there).

However, emigration by Sikhs from Punjab will not end any time soon.

What we as Diaspora Sikhs need to do is financially support parchaar and integration of Bihari's and other poor non-Sikh communities in Punjab into the Panth as primarily sehajdhari Sikhs with of course Amritdhari's from the most committed.

Pakistan (and Muslim countries more generally) actively support emigration as state policy (via assistance) as it raises foreign currency reserves and remittances from the Diaspora, whilst the Muslim home country still grows strongly in population due to a high fertility rate TFR whilst gaining greater political and financial clout in the West.

Amritpal Singh is absolutely correct in what he says but aman-shanti is essential in east Punjab as RAW uses disturbances to disrupt inward investment into Punjab and hence why the top state economically has become a laggard. But via NRI Sikhs investments and decent governance in Punjab the next 5 years the economy there ought to grow by 50%

@ Dally Paji given that the major export commodity of Punjab (wheat) is purchased by Delhi for half the price it openly sells for on the open market globally (imagine the Muslims selling oil at half price and their economies failing as a result) then how would you foresee suicides ever ending in such a scenario (in the absence of parchaar that suicide and hunger strikes are not condoned by Sikhi)?

I hear you Paji but anybody that is casteist cannot be Sikh by definition and we need to declare a Dharam Yudh on such types. It is simply not acceptable for so-called Sikhs (fake ones) to infect our Qaum with cancerous Hindu and Muslim ideology like the wretched caste system (or racism).

Those two pejorative terms are the exact words the Muslims use about our (Sikh) Qaum. They perceive us Sikhs as a "chuhre-chamaarah di Qaum" because Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji were the bravest of the brave in the eyes of the Sikh Qaum. Yet to the Muslim slavemasters they describe Bhai Jaita Ji (Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji) as a "Bihari Chuhra" according to the notion of purity of lineage among white-skinned Muslims like the Slavemaster Pedophile Muhammad.

Similarly the Muslim Qazi's and Aurangzeb were dumbfounded that Shaheed Bhai Sangat Ji led the Sikh Fauj at Guru Sahib's behest and the Muslims scoffed that the Sikh Fauj was being led by an *erstwhile* Chamar in the Muslim eyes.

We Sikhs bow down daily before the Shabad Guru and shloks of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj.

We as Sikhs are the *only* true haqdaar who can rightfully claim to be Ravidassia as Sikhi is based upon the anti-casteist and Gurmat philosophy of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj as the pro-Hindutva and casteist Dera Ballan apartheid franchise is not some new religion that has arisen organically but is a Congress and Hindutva RAW-sponsored creation designed to convert one of the biggest demographic components of the Sikh Panth (Sikhs of Ravidasi heritage) into tomorrow's "Hindu Chamar votebank".

What Nehru realised was that if all those (currently) 60million strong of leatherworking ancestry came to realise that the Sikh Fauj was led by a Gurmukh like Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji and that all Sikhs bow down daily to the greatness of someone (*our* Shabad Guru - Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj) that the Hindu's and Muslims openly despise as a Chamar then a Sikh population that would QUADRUPLE what it was then (and now) would be a massive threat to his pathetic rule that the racist British Empire deliberately gifted him (and Jinnah) with.

Hence the recent state-sponsored proliferation of this apartheid franchise (Dera Ballan). If we do not eradicate and expel casteists from our midst and focus on our Mazhabi Sikh and Ravidasi Sikh brothers upliftment in this decade then it is likely to be the case that Sikhs will be a minority (like we already are in Doaba) in even Majha and Malwa by the 2031 census (which would have been unthinkable 75years ago).

@ChardikalaUK Ji.

Paji you are absolutely correct that this urban myth stupidly blaming Sikhs (instead of Nehru) is beyond bizarre.

However, the 10million present day Buddhists in India that could have been part of the Panth today is no small number.

Especially in the context that Sikhs numbered 20million in India in the 2011 census and now the India population is estimated to show 1.4 Billion population with Sikh population likely to remain static due to below replacement fertility rates among Sikhs.

(Meanwhile the Pakistani's have increased their population from 25million in 1947 to around 225million currently and are projected to reach 400million Slavemaster Pedophile supporters by 2050).

These Ambedkarite Buddhists are 100% our people (fellow Sikhs in essence) even if Nehru and the British Empire temporarily succeeded in preventing them from joining the Panth.

So the main thing is we focus on the 250 million so-called Dalits and 1,000 million poor people in India.

But we can only do that when we unite every pind in Punjab under a single united Gurdwara and defeat the deep state (RAW) strategy to turn present day Sikhs of Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry into tomorrow's Hindu Dera Ballan and Hindu Balmiki Dera apartheid worshippers as that would turn the Sikh Panth into a minority in Majha and Malwa overnight (just like we already are a minority in Doaba where many in the Sikh Diaspora have roots). 

ScAli regarding Master Tara Singh this is inaccurate history and slander that you might have misheard from some nindak presumably.

Master Tara Singh Ji was a Hindu convert himself to Sikhi who desperately wanted all Indians (especially the poor) to embrace Sikhi.

It was Nehru that threatened Dr Ambedkar that he will not permit SC/ST reservations seats should Dr Ambedkar decide to become Sikh.

The false urban myth regarding Master Tara Singh (who championed the poor) is somewhat similar to the tale being spun nowadays that it was Sikhs who wanted Indira Gandhi to attack in June 1984 when nothing could be further from the truth.

After August 15th 1947 Nehru worked hard upon detaching sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab away from the Panth. As these sehajdhari Sikhs held Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj close to their hearts.

That population of erstwhile sehajdhari Sikhs presently detached from the Panth numbers in excess of 100 million people in India today.

Similarly, Nehru encouraged Punjabi speaking Sikhs via financial inducement to give their children the surnames of Ram, Kumar, Devi and Rani on birth certificates and declare Hindi as their mother tongue as a tactic in order to lesson demands for a Punjabi suba.

Kanshi Ram was one of those children as his parents were called Hardev Singh and Bibi Bishan Kaur.

As the realisation that Nehru had was that if all those associated with leatherworking ancestry outside Punjab were to enumerate as self-declared sehajdhari Sikhs on the 1951 census then the population of the Sikh Panth would have QUADRUPLED over 1941 census numbers which themselves were almost double the 1881 thanks to the dedication of Giani Ditt Singh Ji of the Lahore Singh Sabha who was always derided by the Muslim and Hindu enemies of the Panth for being a "Chamar" intellectual leading the Sikh Panth.

And that's before factoring for what Nehru did to decouple Kabirpanthi Sikhs, Sanatani Sikhs from UP and Bihar, Hazoori Sikhs from Patna, Vanjara Sikhs outside Punjab and indeed even many Sikligar and Deccan Sikhs outside Punjab who particularly since 1947 have in many instances assimilated into the surrounding majority due to the financial penalties imposed upon them for daring to enumerate as Sikhs despite them being poor in the first place.

For obvious reasons Nehru did not desire a powerful hardworking and upwardly mobile Sikh minority of 10% of the Indian population as that would have matched Muslim numbers in India and hence why his descendants created Dera Ballan in order to fragment the Sikh Qaum and turn it into a demographic minority in Punjab and rebrand 60million Ravidasi Sikhs throughout India as Hindu Chamars with a brand new pilgrimage enriching the Hindutva supporting shopkeepers of Benares to match.

On 5/31/2016 at 8:34 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

When Ambedkar became Buddhist, how many Dalit followed suit. 

How can we be sure that Ambedkar becoming Sikh would have resulted in millions of Dalit becoming Sikh?

Thanks to Dr Ambedkar there are now almost 10million Buddhists in India but obviously as a minority of less than 1% among a 1.4billion population they have very limited power.

If those 10million Buddhists were Sikhs today instead then the Sikh Panth would have a 50% larger population and more ability to fight for progressive social change and Sarbat da Bhala throughout India and the Congress Genocide of Sikhs could well have been avoided. Certainly if all the sehajdhari Sikhs detached from the Panth in the 35years prior to 1984 had remained Sikh then there would have been no chance whatsoever of Indira Gandhi daring to perpetrate a Genocide against Sikhs comprising 10% of the Indian population.

Regardless of the fact that Nehru was able to strongarm Dr Ambedkar into preventing him and his followers from joining Sikhi there is nothing stopping us focussing on the 250 million poorest and downtrodden Indians now known as Dalits. But in order to do so we need to united every pind in Punjab under a single united saanjha Gurdwara with immediate effect.

And if we look beyond Dalits and include all poor people in India currently falsely defined as "Hindu's" for votebank politics the number is 1,000million poor people in India who are yearning for freedom, equality and dignity to become tomorrow's sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab (if we can clean up the apartheid disease foisted on the Qaum since 1984 in east Punjab first).

On 5/31/2016 at 11:48 PM, StarStriker said:

Well technically, according to the hindu caste system, most of the tribes who make up the sikh population, are of lower caste anyways. 

Exactly the majority of the Sikh Panth have always been from the historically lower economic echelons of Punjabi society whereas the vast majority of Punjabi Muslims take pride in their supposedly "high caste" ancestry.

On 6/1/2016 at 6:47 PM, scali said:

As I stated in my posts 

Master Tara Singh Ji in fact opened Khalsa College at Matunga, Bombay to enable those children derided as "lower castes" by Hindu and Muslim society to get an education. It was this sewa bhawaana of Sikhs assisting our gareeb brethren under Master Tara Singh's direction in far away Maharashtra that first kindled Dr Ambedkar's interest in Sikhi.

Yes it is a shame Nehru swerved Dr Ambedkar away from Sikhi back then but we need to concentrate on what we can do in today's present time to encourage all of the poor and downtrodden globally (but especially in east Punjab, in India outside Punjab and among non-Muslim black Africans) to feel welcome, supported and equal stakeholders within the Sikh Panth as all so-called "low castes" are true natural born Sikhs who we should prioritise.

The fault lies with us as Punjabi Sikhs for not focussing upon the poor and downtrodden as Sikhi instructs us to do.

Outside of east Punjab, Sikhs comprise 0.3% of the rest of the Indian population. Most Indians have no knowledge of Sikhi which is not surprising given that our own people don't even know who and where our Panj Piare were from and that most of them were from backgrounds that the Hindu's and Muslims consider "low caste".

Via a combination of sewa, parchaar and social upliftment in Punjab itself and to the poor in India outside Punjab we should be able to build upon facts such as:

*the recent Chief Minister of east Punjab (Channi) was from a so-called "low caste" background in the eyes of Hindu's and Muslims and in stark contrast to the fact that Pakistani Punjab is run by a Muslim Brahmin - Hamza Shahbaz (Butt).

*the Chief Jathedar of the SGPC is from a so-called "low caste" background

*the majority of Granthi's & Gursewaks at Gurdwara's are from a so-called "low caste" background

*Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji led the Sikh Fauj at Guru Sahib's behest which the Muslims scoffed at the Sikh Qaum being led by an erstwhile "Chamar" in the Muslim Slavemaster's eyes.

*Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji was derided as a "Bihari Chuhra" by the Muslim enemies of the Sikh Panth yet is amongst the bravest of the brave our Panth ever blessed us with. 

*the number of so-called "low caste" MLA's have consistently exceeded the number of Jat MLA's since 1980's

*the majority of Kesdhari youth left in Punjab are from a so-called "low caste" background

*so-called "low castes" comprise 34% plus of the east Punjab population in contrast to Jats who are 21% of the population 

*Singh Sabha was driven forward by Giani Ditt Singh who was decried by Muslims and Hindu's for being of Chamar ancestry

And given the majority of the Panj Piare were from a so-called "low caste" background in the eyes of the Hindu and Muslim enemies of the Sikh Panth ...

The main question we need to ask ourselves is why are we as Diaspora Sikhs so weak in doing sewa and parchaar about Sikhi to 250 million so-called "Dalits" in India?

We could make a start by ensuring Sikhs only worship in one united saanjha Gurdwara for all in every pind in Punjab and every locality in the West and funding the education of poor Sikhs and so-called Dalits outside Punjab as done by Baru Sahib and British Sikh Council and the Sikh Human Development Foundation.

On 4/27/2022 at 11:21 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

1. just ask Hindus in India if they support

2. Grow out Panth how exactly? I didn't say they would convert, I just said those 5% of Hindus would be friendly towards us. 

3. When Vaisakhi 1699 happened, we still acknowledged Guru Sahib, I hear from many so-called Sikhs today that Maharaj is a holy book, our psyche has changed from being a religion of Dharam to a religion of western ideals.

4. Only place anyone will ever be truly free is Khalsa Raj.

1. Ok bro educate me on why Hindu's should support this?

2. Many Hindu's saved countless Sikh lives in Delhi during the November 1984 Genocide. So what exactly is wrong in even having say 60million allies like that? Or are you one of those thinkers that define Sikhs as a 2% minority in east Punjab as you only count folks like Parkash Badal as Sikhs hence you feel we don't need any sehajdhari non-Punjabi's to join the Sikh Panth for Sarbat da Bhala?

3. You didn't answer the question: So Muslims can convert anybody. Christians can convert anybody. Hindutva thinkers can define anyone who isn't Sikh, Jain, Buddhist or Muslim in India as a Hindu. But Sikhi cannot educate today's so-called non-Sikhs in India as to why Vaisakhi 1699 was the most revolutionary date in History when our Panj Piare from Gujarat, from Odisha, from Karnataka, from Hastinapur and from Sialkot stood up for Truth, Equality and Justice.

4. Yes we all know that Begumpura will never exist anywhere outside of Khalsa Raj, however, again you did not answer the question, which was, Can you explain to me how you are a (ghulam) slave in America today?