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3 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:
Don't take a few snippets of social media and think that this some how represent most Sikhs when it does not.
This is a very scewed misinterpretation of a tiny minority whose voice gets amplified.
This guy just had the guts to say what many western Punjabis think. if it was not true you wouldn't find 70-80% of turbaned Sikhs(including amritdhari women) cutting their hair the moment they land on foreign soil. You can't convince me that the avg new Punjabi that lands on western soil knows anything about Sikhi. I live in the city which gets maximum new Punjabi immigrants and I am so disheartened by seeing the truth. The Punjabis that came here before the 2000s are completely assimilated and prefer to rather be friends with goras than their own. Sorry but it is the truth.
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10 hours ago, AsilentUser said:
How could a landlocked and small state project it's power ?
Sikh leaders never were visionary, in this current age of democracy/ public opinion age , the majority always dominate.
Somebody who offended someone's prophet in india become huge outcry worldwide but you won't hear much about how many SGGS was damaged by others .
Sikhs have become pawn of liberals, muzzies, and hindus and they play siksh for their own political/ other benefits when they need them.
1984 happened and army did lot's of <banned word filter activated> but you would still see Sikh still going into indian armies. The panth is filled with fuddus who are only interested in their own wellbeing but they might also shout about sikhi this and that in gurdwara .
There is a reason why sikhi never spreaded much outside of Punjab and I can say that sikhi even failed in Punjab ( west Punjab, himachal, haryana) because majority of the people didn't adopted sikhi and that's why you never could have a sikh State.
Even now Pakistan is having devastating floods Turkey and other Muslim countries are sending them help. If this happens in Punjab who will come help us? No One! That is why demography matters which these quality over quantity lot don't understand and in addition we have neither.
The becoming pawn thing all comes down to inferiority complex which majority of Sikhs suffer from due to being powerless. Men want to conquer the world but for some reason we have Sikh men saying we can spread Sikhi without having any political power which is quite strange to me. Its like they have no vision for the future. Majority of people didn't become Christians and Muslims out of their own will. People are attracted to these religions because they have strong political powers so being members of these groups give them social benefits.
Sikhi completely failed in Punjab for sure. I look at an avg Punjabi that comes to Canada and can say with certainty it failed completely. These people know nothing and care about nothing other than materialism. Poverty for conversion is just an excuse. Why don't poor starving Muslims convert?
Sikh shave 0 vision other than trying to show how liberal they are and being proud of wasting their own resources on their enemies. Gurudwara langars are just used for eating free food by most people.
Just look at this guy lol. Your avg American Poonjabi tying to do anything to get goras approval. A materialistic inferiority complex ridden people.
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3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:
Objectively speaking on some levels there's some truth in what they said, our Sikh faith has been abrahmized in the last few centuries, the original goal of the British was to convert the Sikhs into Christianity but when they failed at that, they decided if they couldn't convert the Sikh, rather they would create a new influence within Sikhi. That said, what many Hindus don't realize about these old school Sikhs having Hindu-influence is that from the time when Prithi Chand rebelled against Guru Sahib until Singh Sabha Movement, the Haramandir Sahib hasn't had control of Sikhs and after Banda Singh Bahadur's reign ended, Sikhs lived in jungles and even more Gurdwaras had fallen under the Mahants. We can't completely base Sikhi on a purely historical context and we need Gurbani and Rehitnamas, (most important being Bhai Nand Lal's), to guide the Panth.
exactly they will bring the bs of there being idols in harmidner sahib and what not lol like sikhs didnt have control of our gurudwaras for a very long time. Even now these modern day mahants are doing similar non sense in Indian Gurudwaras.
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15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:
Sikh religious causes and the general religious scene don't seem to be attractive to otherwise intelligent (book smart) laymen. The odd professor, researcher, author, student of history, etc, is not representative of the masses. I imagine what puts smart people off is the inflexible religious tribalism coupled with the purity spiral / unrealistic barrier to entry that eliminates 99% of any interest. Plus, the leadership and hierarchy have NO answers to the problems that Sikhs face today. The solutions they present are one or both of:
1) Your karams are 5hit - pray more.
2) Your misfortune is God's grace - pray more so in the next life you receive more favourable circumstances.
Meanwhile people should just neck themselves because this janam is a write-off? Absolute demoralising jokery.
But Isn't Islam even worse in this purity bs regards? Also their preachers teach the same thing it doesn't matter how <banned word filter activated> your life is if you pray to allah you will get everything in Jannah. There must be something more to it. Alot of Sikhs also constantly undermine their own religious teachings just to please others. Then i guess when people see the behavior of an avg Punjabi what impression of Sikhi do they get?
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2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:A lack of a thorough and ongoing mainstream exegesis of Sikh scriptures BY SIKHS that PROMOTES Sikhi (instead of apologising for it) has a considerable part to play in this problem.
I get the feeling that certain Sikhs believe that diluting and erasing aspects of Sikhi to accomodate non-Sikhs is the highest expression of being a Sikh. We have to accept that somewhere along the way, our Sikh religious hierarchy emphasised and pushed to the fore certain strands of the religion in the belief they were doing a noble and spiritually positive thing, when, from a long-term perspective, they've done incredible damage to Sikh interests and the Sikh psyche. They've confused Sikhs who aren't "balle, balle" low-IQ, blind followers with a muddled philosophy that doesn't tally with reality. Accordingly, those who can't reconcile these issues end up converting to other religions or just end up being irreligious.
Then what you see are Christians and Muslims standing on the sidelines, salivating at the sight of Sikhs doing THEIR dirty business for them. It's a paradoxical and ludicrous take on things.
I don't think the majority believe it is the highest expression of being a Sikh. They pretend Sikhi is all about that as it is easier to be a langri and let everyone walk all over you and claim it is the tolerance taught to you in Sikhi rather than fight for our future and survival and for your own rights at this point. Recently I saw a clip from Punjab where some turbaned Sikh was getting hit by random people and he did not even once try to save his turban or even fight back. Just taking the blows. What we forgot is that we lost a generation of fighting Sikh men and what we are left with is the timid weak types unfortunately. It is easy for the remaining Sikhs to be langri and promote this one love one humanity bs than to plan and think something about our future. We have no leader or no common goal as a community. Everyone is on their own individual materialistic hedonistic endeavor with no collective responsibility to the panth.
99% of present "Sikhs" just have no redeeming qualities. I see the ones that come straight out of Punjab and i mean if even 1% of them have any self awareness about Sikhi or our future, that would be a great thing. They just don't care. For the majority of them individual materialism is the goal. They don't care about making wealth for the community to get power. They don't care about Sikhi at all. I see turbaned Sikhs coming from Punjab here in Toronto, going to clubs, drinking fully indulged in hedonism and I am just thinking atleast have some shame and stop wearing the turban. Majority of them are just Sikh in name because that is what their parents told them . They don't know anything about Sikhi because neither did their parents teach them anything nor are they interested . They are more interested in buying the latest iphone.
Additionally if you see we still haven't made clear cut guidelines after thorough research of our religion. Some say meat is allowed others say its not. Majority of Sikhs will not be able to give a clear answer why we keep our hair. Like our entire apparatus is wrong. If you go on youtube how many videos you will find explaining thousand of concepts from islam and Christianity. How many interesting videos do you find regarding Sikhi? Even the basics of Sikhi videos after Jagraj Singh's death haven't been able to attract views as they are not delivered in an interesting way. How many young Christian pastors and Islamic Imams are there and compare that to our kathavachaks. You are not able to attract youngsters with this current apparatus of teaching. The SGPC literally doesn't care. Its just all old people who have turned the organization into a money making business.
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48 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:I thought about this and I think it is our concept of Seva and shaheedi taken to the extreme.
The concept of selflessness skewed to the extreme where you put everyone else before yourself.
The concept of sacrifice taken to the extreme because our Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed and put Hindus before his own life. So our people have followed the Guru's way.
The Bhai Khanaiya syndrome as well has not helped.
I think we see these things as unconditional rather than with caveats.
The bhai kanhaiya syndrome is an excuse. The real reason is societal acceptance from the majority of the world population who are either Christian,Muslims or Hindus. It is the same reason they say all religions lead to God. They are scared of being alienated from the world majority by acknowledging their paths are false. That is why they try to not offend people from different religions even in Sikh spaces or even try to appease LGBTQ people. If Sikhs had a state of their own which was well developed and political power they would not act like this to such an extent.
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17 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:What do you expect from a Bulleh Shah lover. 5aala had one hit almost 20 years ago and has been living off it ever since.
Exactly we have to save ourselves. I've heard countless Hindus and Suls praise us saying we are honest good people, does that mean they agree they themselves are not? An admission?
Are we some elite bodyguard service for both of them?
I think the truth is that they know they can't save their own at the moment. Can these people save all the Sikhs languishing in jails over fake cases? No! So they do all this drama to make themselves feel better about their inability to help their own. Another is since there are so much less Sikhs in the world they feel alienated from the world and want to fit in or want attention from others to not feel alienated from the world. So they do all this feel good drama to get people to like and support them but they don't understand no matter how nice they are to these people they will backstab them anytime. These two are the main factors. They think that being this way is the only way to get people to like them and not feel alienated.
Look if you think about it 2 billion Christians, 2 billion Muslims , 1 billion Hindus ; all these communities are definitely anti Sikh and want to end/assimilate Sikhi as they believe their religion is the only true religion. But then being such a small minority an average Sikh feels alienated from the society not only due to the way we look but also our beliefs. Sikhi tells us that these paths are broken but we don't go out of our way unlike these groups to devise clever devious plans to finish these people off. So an average Sikh craves larger societal acceptance from the majority communities and they act like this.
It is the same reason Ravi Singh does what he does. He knows helping Muslims, Christian African will get him more PR and societal acceptance and reach than helping his own people. They are victims of their own ego. The Bhai Kanhaiya story is just used by these kind to justify what they are doing and not feel guilty rather than being the sole reason for their doings. The main reason is that wider societal acceptance by helping majority communities fuels their ego. Would Ravi Singh gain all this PR if he was helping just his own? NO! No one other than Sikhs would even know who he was.
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15 hours ago, 5aaban said:
Meanwhile Sikhs
"Come To Punjab, Sardars Will Protect You": Singer Rabbi Shergill To Bilkis Bano
Updated: August 22, 2022 7:10 pm IST
i saw this. Why do our people have this savior complex? Cant save their own but the first in line to help random people. Why?
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59 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:It's a nation founded on Sharia. There's realistically no reason for Pakistan existing outside of that, and until people understand that, we won't understand that Pakistan isn't our allies.
brain dead sikh liberals will never understand that no sane human can live amongst these people.
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i saw the video of her along with the man. She didn't seem scared. Also Pakistan is a failed country. Things are going to be much worse in the coming future. These people got the best parts of Punjab and still became a failed state lol.
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On 8/20/2022 at 6:14 PM, Singh375 said:
Hanji daas was trying to hint towards Khalsa raj is not some type of Sikh empire over this earth, otherwise Guru Sahib ji would have created it himself. (rather it's a climax of the world being filled with papi souls, they all gonna fight and kill each other, only those doing naam simran will remain protected)
Satguru ji are the most supreme spiritual authority. All of us, our souls have so much burden of paap and remaining karams. Be it guru sahib ji or true mahapurkh, none of us are ready to receive what they want to give us.
So why fight against mughals if the paapi souls were eventually going to kill each other. Why establish sikh towns? Why establish the concept of miri piri if Sikhs are not meant to rule in this world?
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1 hour ago, BhForce said:Umm, you surely realize that Man-preet and Har-Preet exist in Gurbani, right?
Here's just one for Har-Preet:
ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਖਾਈ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਚੂਕਾ ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਣੁ ਜੀਉ ॥He embraces love for God (Har-Preet) and God's Name becomes his helper and his wanderings, comings and going come to an end. p243
If you've ever recited Sukhmani Sahib, you know that Man-Preet is used by Guru Arjan Dev ji:
ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥੮॥੧੨॥
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(O, Guru) Nanak, He who repeats the Name with love in the mind (Man-Preet).Baghel and Zorawar are great names, but Manpreet and Harpreet are not signs of decay.
What I mean is the names are so similar like majority of Punjabi have names like gurpreet harpreet harinder. Old school names are barely used. Its just weird to have majority of names sound so similar. The names are not an issue its the fact that literally majority of the names are so similar with no variation
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Sikhs had such beautiful names Baghel singh, Zorawer singh, Fateh Singh when did this manpreet harpreet came into being? It just shows cultural decadence.
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10 hours ago, 5aaban said:There were huge protests around India and many Sikhs helped protestors and very vocal about opposing the bills some years back. But why exactly did Sikhs oppose NRC & CAA?
Wouldn't that bill be beneficial to Sikhs? Since it granted a swifter path to Indian citizenship under the assumption of religious persecution to any individual belonging to the specific minorities of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, who entered India on or before 31 December 2014. According to the Intelligence Bureau, the immediate beneficiaries of the new law would've been 25,447 Hindus, 5,807 Sikhs, 55 Christians, 2 Buddhists and 2 Parsis.
I believe the main reason for the protests were the Act didn't mention Muslims and did not offer the same eligibility benefits to Muslim immigrants from those 3 nations. I don't understand why Sikhs got involved, because those countries are already Muslim-majority.
because their beloved Muslims would be affected. Our people are so dumb now its insane. They always want to virtue signal and prove how good they are.
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2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
It's the Sikhs who've had to rough it out in the west who are better informed (through life experience) and better prepared.
But the current generation of sikhs living in the west they are too soft, not talking about the ones who came in the 60s and 70s. The young Sikhs today in the west do you think these people care about things going bad in the future or have any plans? My point is people living in bad conditions in India who are already used to chaos and uncertainty will be much more prepared for hard times than people in the west living in comfort.
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9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:Do you never think that such sentiments could play a part in preventing members of the panth going through the difficult task of preparing and organising themselves to contend with challenges and the practical responsibilities related to defence and raj brother?
Sikhs are unprepared not because they think that God will hand them the raaj on a platter but they are unprepared because they have gotten used to the comforts of life and think nothing is going to happen so no need to do anything. Just look at the state of the world in 2022. Things were not like this before 2020. The world can change any moment but alot of Sikhs are so used to comfort they think nothing is going to happen. Specifically the ones in western countries. People who are too used to comfort will be the worst hit by a war. In fact people in India living in worse conditions can face the hard times in the future way better. Comfort makes people too soft.
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China- Taiwan issue, Ukraine-Russia war, Israel bombing Gaza.... Will there be a world war by the end of this decade?
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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:I am not necessarily talking about Saints but more like ordinary everyday people who would typically be Satyugi type people.
These types of people might be completely unaware of what they are but find themselves out of sorts in the type of society we live in.
I sometimes get the feeling that Maharaj's hukam works paradoxically in some cases as well as linearly and cyclically.
It must be some kind of test to see how these Satyugi types cope in a scenario in which they would typically struggle in.
Conversely for all we know there may have been Kalyugi types in Satyug era.
These are just my thoughts.
The world would be way worse if these people were not born. I think their purpose is basically to direct people towards the truth. How did Baba Banda Singh Bahadur change after meeting Guru Gobind Singh jee? Many people who sometimes are on the wrong path realize the truth after meeting pure souls.
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10 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:
Are you referring to saints being born in kalyug? If you are then let me just share something. Those saints and pure souls who have taken birth despite it being kalyug, they come in Pyaar. They come because they have experienced Vaheguru ji's kirpa and they want to spread it to others . Their not born in a wrong yug! Their purpose is to change the yug and spread the qualities of Satyug. Other souls that come are also Shaheed Singhs and Singhnis. They come for similar reasons as well. Some come to get justice, such as the thousands of Khalsa that have taken birth and are all present now mostly in teenage age. They came to establish Khalsa Raj. All souls that come, come with their preordained destiny that Vaheguru ji has written. Nobody is born in a wrong yug veerji. We all come to do Vaheguru ji's work.
Bhul Chuk Maf ji
Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh!
yes if they are not born who will direct us manmukhs towards the right path in kalyug?
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22 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
Actually, try thinking about it. The brits did this to a certain group amongst us to devastating effect for a protracted period. They are on record saying they thought these people were docile and slow to learn. Maybe becoming engrossed/lost in perpetual self-adulation (via folksongs, modern songs, movies, and even back handed 'compliments' in written works), makes certain people blind to reality, and thus easy to manipulate? It's like keeping them permanently suspended in a false reality whilst you make moves to finally finish them off. So it would be in every enemy of the panths interest to encourage and facilitate the 'culture' (in a very loose sense of the word) that helps conjure this scenario/mindset.
This would explain A LOT of what we are seeing.
And just to juxtaposition the current projection of a certain people with an older one, from within Sikh sources - have a look at a certain number of chariters that explicitly cover this community, and just see for yourself just how starkly different the Sikh representations are to the modern stuff. One is rooted in ground level reality and constructive criticism, the other is plain 'giving the pump' as Panjabis say.
The Brits were totally right. They do make a good cannon fodder.
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Just now, proudkaur21 said:
They still boast about how the Brits thought of them as a martial race(to fool them into fighting their wars) and to this day they continue to die in wars for others instead of doing something for their own people. India does the same when they want Sikhs to die on the border for them but unfortunately this group wants to so badly prove their worth to others that they will die for others instead of being loyal to their community.
The same group then boasts about being part of a diminishing 1.6% community and making way more contributions than their population. Literally destroying themselves to please others. Ravi singh also belongs to such groups. No Muslim will care if Hindus hate them or not because they know they have power. Powerless Sikhs are always begging left and right for the approval of others.
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1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:
Actually, try thinking about it. The brits did this to a certain group amongst us to devastating effect for a protracted period. They are on record saying they thought these people were docile and slow to learn. Maybe becoming engrossed/lost in perpetual self-adulation (via folksongs, modern songs, movies, and even back handed 'compliments' in written works), makes certain people blind to reality, and thus easy to manipulate? It's like keeping them permanently suspended in a false reality whilst you make moves to finally finish them off. So it would be in every enemy of the panths interest to encourage and facilitate the 'culture' (in a very loose sense of the word) that helps conjure this scenario/mindset.
This would explain A LOT of what we are seeing.
And just to juxtaposition the current projection of a certain people with an older one, from within Sikh sources - have a look at a certain number of chariters that explicitly cover this community, and just see for yourself just how starkly different the Sikh representations are to the modern stuff. One is rooted in ground level reality and constructive criticism, the other is plain 'giving the pump' as Panjabis say.
They still boast about how the Brits thought of them as a martial race(to fool them into fighting their wars) and to this day they continue to die in wars for others instead of doing something for their own people. India does the same when they want Sikhs to die on the border for them but unfortunately this group wants to so badly prove their worth to others that they will die for others instead of being loyal to their community.
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9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:
Someone (or a group) has sat down a few decades ago, and analysed the Sikh Punjabi character, identified weaknesses, blind spots, and failings, and then accordingly formulated a plan to strike at every pressure point in order to make our people behave in ways that will cause us the most harm.
To answer your question, an obsession with materialism usually (not always) comes about when people's neetah are bhukhiya.
Have you observed this kind of materialism among pakistani punjabis? Since growing up I have noticed it among sikhs around me even the well off ones , this never ending greed for more and more and judging others based on how much expensive things they have. I observed it among my relatives all the times. This extreme jealousy at the thought of another family member buying something expensive. I dont understand this. I noticed this when my mom used to gather around with the family ladies and they would constantly stare at each other's clothes and purses and what not. Even growing up all I saw in the music videos was talks about cars, alcohol and expensive things. Just too much greed in the punjabi community. I see people going into debt to buy expensive cars just to show off. Such childish behaviour.
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wondering the same thing lol. Shouldn't a change in the behavior of the guy be a red flag for her if the only reason she was interested in talking to him was due to Sikhi and spirituality stuff. Doesn't make sense.