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Personal attacks? So they have the right to say whatever they want to against us, but we have no right to show their real faces? I made a long post. You could have removed comments which you think were 'personal attack'. Don't you understand difference between 'edited' and 'removed'? But it is okay. I can now understand you better. When someone has no answer, he calls it 'Personal attacks'. You have removed my other posts, which had nothing to do with 'Personal attacks'. Those were merely direct links to newspapers' news items. My last post on your forum. But do not forget what you did. Regards.

I do not know how to use Gurmukhi font, so please copy/paste it in notepad etc and read it in Gurmukhi fonts. While telling about Sant Maan Singh Pehowa wale: - iBVidAW hI auuh BweI jsvIr isMG nMU mu^wiqb hoieAw [ jsvIr isMG ikQyy hY qyrw sMq smwj, kI l`BdW ies mrI hoeI jQybMdI 'coN [ jy ikqy swfy vrigAW nwl KVHdy qW AsIN ies nUM AkwS cwVH idMdy [ ijhVw kMm quhwnUM swry sMq smwj nUM Bwrw lgdw mYN iek`lw hI kr dyNdw [ mYN ijQy jwnW lMgrW dI nuhwr bdl jWdI hY [ igrIAW, myvy, bdwm, ikSimS rul kr dynw [ ieh sB auh Awp muhwry hI bol igAw [ BweI jsvIr isMG nUM ibnW bolx dw mOkw idiqAW ies qoN pihlW ik BweI swihb koeI g`l krdy auh isry vwlI gl kih ky ibnW au~qr aufIky qur igAw [ kihMdw mYN AYho ijhy sMq smwj nUM it`c nhIN jwxdw [ j`t qW suhwgy 'qy ciVHAw mwx nhIN mYN qW 16 l`K dI g`fI 'qy ciVAW, jIhny myrw..........lvy [ AYnI gMdI g`l kFidAW aus Awpxw A`goN J`gw vI cu`k id`qw [ ieh sB eyni qyzI nwl GitAw ik hr koeI skqy vrgI hwlq ivc sI Aqy bwbw Awh igAw...AOh igAw [ (pMnw 114)

:T: Do I ramble a lot? :T: As I have said in my previous post, I have had a 'CURSORY' look on this book and read introduction by BHAGWAN SINGH. When I have not read whole book, how can I tell its new points? :T: This book has 216 pages. It will take time to read it carefully. As I said, I have read introduction, which tells that the writer Hardeep Singh Dibdiba worked with S. Joginder Singh, father of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale after the Operation Blue Star. He also worked as PA to Bhai Jasbir Singh Rodey. He remained close to Damdami Taksal Mehta. He was president of U.P. unit of Akali Dal (Maan) from 1985 to 1989. This is what I have read in introduction. In a few of first pages of his book, the writer gives brief description how the Government arrested Bhai Jasvir Singh Rodey, who was unknown to Sikhs. The govt. projected him as a hero of Sikh nation in India and abroad. In other parts of his book, the writer has given many eyewitness as well as other accounts, in which described character of Thakur Singh, Jasvir Singh Rodey, Joginder Singh 'Rodey', Sant Harnam Singh Dumma, militant Malkiat Singh Ajnala and hero of many of present pro-Khalistani people Sardar Simranjit Singh 'Maan'. :T: These are very interesting parts of this book. He has also given an eyewitness account of Sri Maan Sant Baba Maan Singh Ji Pehowe Wale..... .... He also gives an eyewitness account of Khalistani Taliban courts in Sri Darbar Complex. And, Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala is his hero. :T: I think technical problems in my forum and blog are now solved by my younger brother Mr. Sikhawareness. So, I will go back to my own forum. :T: Before leaving your discussion forum, I will try to post a few of comments from this book by Bhai Hardeep Singh Dibdiba. This book is in Punjabi, so obviously I will type in Gurmukhi fonts. I do not know how this forum uses Gurmukhi font. I need help in this regard.

The book is in my hand. I have had a cursury look and read its introduction 'Do Shabd' by Bhagwan Singh. This book surely has lots of new and first hand information. I was absolutely wrong when I said there is nothing new in this book. We should respect views by our opponent. If we do not like such views, we can have a debate in a good way, without hiding our real identities. When we hide our real identities, if indicates that we have no faith in our own views or we are coward. So far as Bhai Hardeep Singh Dibdiba is concerned, I think it is his brave step that he spoke his mind and shared his experience. At the same time, it is bad that a few people have threaten him. I thought such threats were annonymous, but I have talked to Bhai Hardeep Singh Dibdiba himself. He confirmed that there are many threats. A few of persons even threatened him on face. At this stage, I do not want to mention names of persons, who gave threats to Hardeep Singh Dibdiba. But, as a writer, I strongly condemn such acts. A Sikh follows Gurbani, "Bhai Kaahoo Kau Det Naih, Naih Bhai Maanat Aan". Congratulations to Bhai Hardeep Singh 'Dibdiba' on this bold step. :D (Note: 'Dibdiba' is Hardeep Singh's native village). Regards, Amrit Pal Singh 'Amrit'

I have just got a phone call. A copy of 'Saka neela tara toon baad' is reserved for me. :TH: I will get it within an hour. :T:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060727/cth2.htm#11

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=194317

Edited - No personal attacks allowed.

Dear 'Das Nimana', now again you showed your real face. But thank you very much. Now I can understand why you are afraid that Sikhism is being spread in India. You made it clearer why you think Capt. Amarinder Singh better Sikh than Badal. :T: When other Indians become Sikhs, the number of Sikhs of your CASTE decreases. Your Caste will be in minority if more and more Indians become Sikhs. You are a 'Brar', as you suggested, but read 'Praacheen Panth Prakash' by Ratan Singh Bhangu, another Jatt, and see what your ancestors did against Sikhs. :T: You are following your ancestors. It is bad, very bad. Do not follow them. Follow Navjot Singh Sidhu, a real Jatt from 'Sidhu/Brar' lineage. Gurbani says 'Jaano Jot, Na Poochho Jaati, Aggai Jaat Na Hai'. AND you asked my 'surname', still you think people would believe that you are a Sikh, who follows Gurbani? You again and again show your real face. You, along with other anti-Sikh people, are totally exposed. :T: Ok, we know now that you are a 'Brar'. Do you think it is more important for you to tell that you are a 'Brar'? Because you still have not mentioned that you are a 'Singh'. :T: So far as Kuldeep Singh 'Brar' is concerned, I do not know if he is a Hindu, but he calls himself a Sikh, like you do. You both are 'Brar' and you declare it as well. I did not know if Bhindranwala ever used his 'Brar' tag with his name. Kuldeep Singh says he is 'Brar', you too say you are 'Brar'. So, it is obvious that you are close to Kuldeep Singh Brar. :T: Now, we can understand why you called Capt. Amarinder Singh a better Sikh than Parkash Singh Badal. Yes, Capt Amarinder Singh belongs to 'Sidhu-Brar' lineage. :T: A Brar loves another Brar. . Now, we can understand why it irritates you when you see Indians becoming Sikhs. Yes, it is obvious that Jatt Sikhs will be in minority then. . And 'Jatt' inside you is toooooo afraid of it. You still did not forget 'Talhan', now whole of India. :T: . Do you really hate 'Dalits'? Why are you so afraid of 'Dalits'/'Vanajaras'/'non-Punjabi Jats/Maratha Chhimbas etc? Why don't you try to found a 'Jattistan' or 'Braristan'? No, no, I did not mean if you try you will get it. No, not at all. There are 'Sidhus' and 'Brars' who are pro-Sikh and pro-India, who will defeat you again. Forgot Sardar Navjot Singh 'Sidhu'? The famous Jatt. Pro-India and pro-Sikh Jatts are great. A Jatt says, "Jatt Punjabi Dosto, Saanu Maan Punjabi Hon Da". But an anti-Punjab person wants to remove the name of Punjab. Thus, Jatts are better than you. Watch movie 'Jo Bole So Nihal'. It shows a Jatt, a ture Indian. 'No if, no But, Sirf Jatt'. I think we need another movie showing a Jatt warrior saying, "I am an Indian Jatt...If you are anti-India, Kadd Deyaanga Tere Vatt". Ok, dear 'Brar', Bahut Mazaak Ho Gya. A suggestion for you: - Do not be afraid of Sikhism. It is not against any caste.

It is shame for you, but pride for us. We live in a country, where Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born, lived and created the Khalsa. It makes us proud. It also makes others jealous. :D

Why did you leave Punjab? For money? If you were worried about Sikhi, you would never leave Punjab, where Sikhi Parchaar is needed. You left Punjab and now trying to show that you have any love for Sikhi and Sikhs of Punjab. You left Punjab in hands of Rashtriya Sikh Sangat and others and now giving lectures to us. If you have a little bit love for Sikhi, come back to Punjab and preach Sikhism. You are much needed here in Punjab. You are more than welcome. They are different to a few of Sikhs living abroad. Sikhs in Punjab do not hate others. Sikhs in Punjab are facing threats by anti-Sikh people. People like you are just watching 'Tamaasha' and criticising Sikhs of Punjab. Aap Na Denh Churru Bhar Paani. Teh Nindain Jeh Ganga Aani (Sri Guru Granth Sahib). What is logic? If a thread is about Punjab, which is an obvious part of India, why the word 'Indian' angered you? You do not dare to speak against those using bad words for Punjabi Sikhs. Kee Gal? Punjab Da Namak Kha Ke Hun Haraam Karan Te Tul Gye Ho? A Punjabi, who left his mother for money. I think you did not go there as a preacher of Sikhism. A Pakistani Sikh army men will kill an Indian Sikh armymen if there is any battle. We are divided. But you forgot one point. The Panth Khalsa was born in India. All the five beloved ones were Indians. So original Khalsa was 'Indian'. Yes, we are divided. But it is not Indian Sikhs, who created divisions. The groups like 'Pakistani Sikhs', 'American Sikhs', 'Canadian Sikhs', 'White Sikhs', 'Black Sikhs' came later. :T: We already existed when such Sikh groups came. Yes, you are playing in hands of those, who want to create more divisions, more political parties in Punjab, more 'Jathas', more posts showing hatred for India and its Sikhs.

Control your emotions, dear. This thread is about 'Sikhs in Punjab'. Sikhs in Punjab are Indians. Do not forget the topic. Yes, we are taking about Sikhs in Punjab. You have no problem when posters said bad about Siikhs in Punjab and you lost your temper when you read the word 'Indian'. Yes, we are INDIAN SIKH. If you do not like us, it is your problem.

You celebrate Guru Nanak's birthday only once a year. You should show love all year long and not on a special day to show respect to your Guru. No? If Sikhs celebrate Guru Nanak's birthday once a year, does it mean they forget him on other days? If a brother loves her sister on Rakhrhi, does it mean he starts to hate her on other days? Rakhrhi is an Indian 'Parv' and only Indians know it. Full stop.

Charhdi Kala :T: One day, we Indian Sikhs without hatred will have our own great online discussion forum, where we would discuss our problems with details without facing hatred by outsiders. :D Panth Tere Deeyaan Goonjaan Dino-Din Paingeeyaan.

As I have said, it is 'Indian'. It is not 'American'. Where in Vedas Rakharhi is mentioned, if it is Hindu thing? It is between a brother and a sister. Even Humayun cared when a Hindu girl tied him a 'Rakhrhi'. Yes, it is between a brother and a sister. Others are not allowed even to make comments. It is not a Sikh festival, it is not a Hindu festival. It is an Indian festival. So far as 'Rakharh Punneya' is concerned, Sikhs do celebrate it and it is a major festival in Punjab. We do not need to confirm it from anybody living outside Punjab.