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How can someone like user "confused and floating" post a wild comment saying "Gagan actually succeeded in raping girls" , yet not provide a single name or shred of evidence. It's like accusing someone of murder and not mentioning who he murdered. cut all the anonymitity rubbish and their honour excuse. What honour can there be in accusing a dead man of rape if he's 1) not here to respond 2) they themselves remaining in the shadows. I choose not to believe these lies..no proof.

There is no Real hard evidence about any of these rape allegations. That text message read out in court has been Mis quoted here. he discussed an "attempted rape" with mundil in a text message. She interpreted it as rape and that was being discussed in the message in question. It was never proven that he carried out at attempted rape. It was mundils only life line to cling onto this attempted rape line in order to stand any chance of getting off. let's talk fact , mundil called it attempted rape, Not rape. The act itself didn't take place. Nor did any rape of any other gal take place. people claim this gal or that gal got raped but there is no evidence . as for the anonymous sikhsangat post from a gal claiming he raped her ? I can make a post today claiming something anonymously. It has no credibility from a source which won't show it's face. If som1 wants to make an accusation let's see some evidence. FInally, there is some evidence which points to it being mOney related despite peoPle here claiming otherwise . How many of u commenting here attended court to hear evidence? If u did then u wud know that wen he was murdered, money was withdrawn from a cashpoint with gagans card £300 by a man in blue turban but face wasnt visible. In other words probably shoker himself. That's 1 bit if evidence which suggests it cud be money related, and that's just to begin with. I hav yet to hear any evidence that shows any1 was raped. NOt even seen 1 name yet. If anyone can prove this to be wrong then let's hear just 1 name.

At a time of mourning, people think they can post a sympathy message and hint that he may have deserved it or brought it on himself. A insult to his memory and to this thread. This is not what this thread was for? Mod Note: Topic closed, please feel free to create a new thread to pay tribute to the memory of veer Gagandip Singh Ji.

And the slander of the dead begins. Some of the people posting on here with sympathy messages have themselves participated in his slander in the past. Whatever the reason behind the murder was, nobody deserves such a brutal death. To be bungled into the boot of his own car and set ablaze. Keep your wild theories to yourself. The conclusions will not be known for a while to come. The fault is of the murderers, not the murdered.

Yes absolutely 100% correct bang on. But can we honestly say there isnt a organisation on earth that doesnt doesnt have those same two things said about it?? I couldnt think of any man-made organisation on earth that doesnt have those two very same factors being perpetuated about them simultaneously. 1) An organisation being Good. 2) It being a sellout/tainted I thought about it and thats the conclusion i came to. Most organisations i can think of have supporters of both camps. Thats just human nature. For every organisation there will be supporters and those who have doubts. Try it yourself, think about it.

Different starter, same topic, different thread. Good luck to the BSSF with the parliament lobby. A great opportunity to communicate real sikh issues to people who have political power in this country. Please dont mention at the lobby the friction which exists between sikhs in UK when it comes to a dissagreement over Sant Bhindranwale or the fact that there is no unity among sikhs. We would be laughed out of parliament. Mention real issues please lol. Dont dignify her comments with a response, it only serves to kill morale. I will make one direct comment on something she said though, when she called BSSF "low intellectual standard or undeveloped". Well moving to get attention of and to communicate with UK polititicians is a wise move and one backed by intellect "duhhh" (no brainer). It hasnt been done before. So far to my knowledge BSSF, sikh fed and FSO are the only organisations in uk to reach out on a political level direct to politicians. Undermining their scheduled events, would only be counter productive.

The sum of £100,000 of sangat's money is to be paid. Surinder Singh Purewal (General secretary) Prem Singh Dhandhi (Treasurer) handed over a 50grand cheque already. If these lot originally expelled himmat through their own actions, then it should be their own money which pays this compensation, not sangats money. Why should sangat's money be appropriated wrongfully to pay for their mistakes. Im sure purewal has the money since he is a ex judge. March 8th is their judgement day. They will be ousted. Since relations have turned sour with their old friend Malhi and a split is evident, he wont spend a penny on their election campaign this year. Or will they wrongfully approapriate sangats money for that aswell? It also means there wont be no more hired muslim gangs to help Lion party this time round like 2 elections ago in park avenue. Ive never really liked purewal since he handed maharaj's saroop back to the wadbag dera from which it was rescued after beadbi taking place few years back including having idols placed near it. The calibre of the people we elect each year is astonishing.

EDL is a recent phenomena which has gained alot of support from common goreh and few non whites in the UK. It is trying to go global. Naturally a movement of this type will attract large numbers of hate mongers and racists. However there is one side to this which is often overlooked. The increasing influence of militant islam needs to be put in check in the uk. Such organisations appear to slow down the progression of Islamicists such as Anjem Choudary the infamous Muslim cleric Nutcase. He has gone unchecked for years, allowed to say what he wants un-challeneged. Well not anymore, things are about to change. It provides good entertainment to see the two sides go at it. 1 thing i will say is if Sikh Leaders jointly condemn EDL... They should at least be more voiceful about their condemnation of Muslim clerics like Anjem Choudary. Commenting on recent groups is easy. How about the ones that have been around for years hate mongering? ALmahajaroon the organisation he leads. Then once it was banned in uk, he changed the name to Islam4UK. condemn these organisations openly and we will see less sikhs sympathising with EDL yobs.

The girl in the show has an obsession with the year 2010. She thinks because its 2010 its ok to wear short skirts and what not in the gurdwara. Its gonna be 2011 soon.... what will she regard as acceptable in the turn of the new year?

He claimed Compensation. both sides are chorr and treat gurdwara as a business. I would like to see the current comittee ousted come next election, regardleass of weather they are like malhi or not.

What photos? If there are photos then get hold of them and post them up here so we can all see instead of just sayin people in east london seen them. Otherwise these accusations are not easy to believe given the impeccable timing which coincides it with the elections.

This attack must NOT go unpunished. They must be dealt with severely. Anyone with any information must post/update it to this topic immedietly. Its bout 4 hours away from London. Are there any people on here from the grimsby area? I will attempt to contact the Gurdwara and find out if there has been any past problems which may provide a clue to who was responsible!

Ground water in punjab has arsenic levels which is abover the maximum permissable limit set out by the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION (WHO). In south west Punjab it is as high as 28 times over the maximum permissable limit which is quite frankly LUDACURS !! Cancer has risen sharply with the heavy use of pesticides and insecticides in the region. This documentary prooves that the drinking water is not safe there. Hard Proof of water in punjab causing cancer! . Combine this with the recent results of the report on punjabs water being contaminated with uranium ( a radioactive element ) and u get an idea of how bad things really are, and are set to get worse. watch the 3 part documentary below: part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f6dHb345es part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2f1NkBpJs0&feature=related part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGO-pGmw1sI&feature=related What is the Indian govt doing to sort this out? What is the punjab leaders doing to sort it out? Step 1 is to sorting this mess out is to install RO's in cities and towns. This is a Reverse Osmosis System (RO's) which provides clean portable water. Some places already have it in punjab. Step 2 is to ban the use of cancerous pesticides/insecticides or curb the use. Step 3 education and awareness. This should have been done all over punjab a long time ago, because they have known about this problem for a very long time time, especially since they even been designating sectors of punjab as "black areas" because of the water toxicity. Fat Sukhbir Badal accounced just last month that he was going install Reverse Osmosis System (ROs) to provide clean portable water to ALL cities in Punjab. He said that focus was to start all these works after making provisions for the funds. How bout selling a few of those villages under your father's name! prakash chand badal has some 30 or 40 odd villages under his name. I bet selling few of those would raise more than enough funds! They get fat while Punjab starves.

why u frantically looking for proof of the arrest warrant ? like Indian media they are to be trusted on reporting the truth anyway. Dont hold your breath. There could be a warrant, we wouldnt even know about it until the point of his arrest. We will have to wait and see. Most things go unreported anyway in this imaginary democracy. The bhindranwale stickers/images being banned in haryana,chandigarh wasnt even given media attention apart from a little caption 1inch by 2inch box at the bottom of a newspaper. So i wouldnt be suprised if there was an arrest warrant. man died of a heart attack when the police came.

Its unfortunate Hounslow has such a councillor. But this is not the case in Southall. Different apple different tree. From my understanding of your post, you wont vote for Gurcharan solely on him being Sikh. Its good you look for values in the person you elect. Values that would deem them worthy of your vote. You would vote for a man based on his integrity you say? Which member of the consortium of Drug dealers or thugs supporting him has any noticable integrity. How much integrity does a man earn with such links and such people backing him? I saw a video of sharma saying he condemned the tearing down of the babri masjid. Excellent. This was something that Muslims are quite sensitive about and they welcomed his condemnation. He said he has been working in politics for 35 years so where is his condemnation of operation bluestar? How long do we have to wait to hear him say that? Or is sikh human rights too fine a line to walk on. its been 25years now. Instead of doing that he decided to use 1984 as a means of attack against rival candidates as his leaflet shown above quite clearly illustrated. If we are going to have him represent us for 5 years, these are legitimate points that have to be raised. If someone says to me "he does not have to condemn 1984 or even get involved in Sikh issues"... Then I shall reply to them quite direct and bluntly by saying "well thats funny because before the singh sabha rules changed earlier this year, he used to come gurdwara on election day every election and vote for his buddy Himmat sohi to get elected. So why is he so shy of sikh affairs now? He quite liked getting involved in Sikh affairs up until only recently." Honn kee hoiya? Just because he is now banned (along with all other non-sikh voters) from participating in Singh sabha elections, he shouldnt get shy of sikh affairs now. I put the request straight to him to condemn operation bluestar. If he can condemn the tearing down of babri masjid, then why cant he condemn a tank bombarding the akaal takht? or was he too busy handing out laddoo at the time to care? (as some allege) I think we should pop down to his office or fone/email him and ask him if he condemns the attack.

Kam Singh Cheema I shall remember that name.. This is a drug cartel and consortium of drug lords backing Sharma. The most dispicable and vile creatures imaginable crawling out from the dirtiest southall back alley sewer. Some may say thats OTT but its the best analogy I am able to find at this moment in time. Our fellow southall residents voted for him, now you can keep him.

.....And welcome to another 5 years of rule from MP Verindra Sharma former indian overseas congress president who calls supporters of Shaheed bhai satwant singh/Shaheed bhai beant singh "supporters of murderers". I hope all you lot that voted sharma and Labour supporters in Southall borough elctions are all proud of yourselves. Any hope of any change in the next half decade died this morning. Im out 2.

The flyer shown above which was distributed by local labour lot on behalf of sharma. If you read point 2 of the propaganda leaflet it attacks Councillor Gurcharan Singh for being pleased with the asssination of Indra Gandhi. yeh....MR sharma <banned word filter activated> should look and ask around the Southall he represents with a bit more attention.....Most Sikhs in southall did/do support the assassination of Indra Gandhi. Does the <banned word filter activated> use this as a means of attack on gurcharan singh yet not even know about the view of the people he supposedly represents? MP of southall?? LOL this man does not deserve the postition or title. Hes so out of touch with people's views and beliefs hes not fit for office. AND what day was this leaflet posted to houses of soutall residents?? On the exact day anniversary of the Sarbat khalsa decleration of Khalistan in 1986 from the site of Akaal Takht. I do not think this was just a mere coincidence. I raised this same issue with local sikhs on the day the leaflet was distributed. How can such a man be the MP of southall. Southall is Majority sikh by far. Predominantly Sikhs, yet we are represented by this man who holds such views. Verindra Sharma needs to be ousted from Office. And Southall sikhs have to make it their duty to make sure it happens. your vote counts. Southall has been represented by these Bickering anti-khalistani Labour pro congress representatives for too long. Now is time for change. First Pyara Kabra was endorsed and put in by India and now verindra sharma the ex president of indian overseas confress. so you all tell me whats the difference? Every man/politician India put in and endorse is elected in southall as our MP representative. Vote Gurcharan Singh. If not, at least make sure u do not vote Sharma.

Over the past few months or so I have observed a worrying increase in the frequency of attacks on Sikhs in areas around Southall and surrounding areas. The frequency of attacks has been becoming more common as of late. Usually afghans (pathans/muslims) robbing Sikhs. Usually fones or money. I was informed of a case just last week where a large group of afghan youths surrounded a sikh who was jus going for a walk in the park in southall after a hard day at work. They brandished a knife and demanded money. When he refused they attacked him by punching and kicking him and continued doing so when he went to the floor. The stole 50quid. The Sikh man later saw 2 of the afghans on their own on a main road and set out about getting his money back by attacking 2 of them. Nearby shop owners (also afghans (muslim/pathans) upon seeing this, rushsed to the assistance of the afghans with bats and weapons. They gave chase to the sikh lad who got away. Later on the same afghan shop owners/workers were roaming around southall with the same afghan youth thieves looking for the sikh lad. This is just 1 example of news of an attack I received today which happened some time last week. Why are the police not doing anything about these thieves roaming the streets in herds preying on sikhs?? Whats the point in sending all these community support officers round on patrols and on bike rounds if they jus ignore these groups while they sell drugs/use drugs/rob people. If they dont do anything about it, then they have no right to put cases on Sikhs that decide to do something about it when they receiving no help from authorities to tackle this situation. Are these the unsafe streets we want our kids to be walking? where people brandish knives just to rob a mesely 50quid? And what of these shop owners? they are assisting these afghan robbers by roaming around with them and letting them hang out at their shops. I think its time to clear up this mess, its gotton out of hand. When they not robbing people in parks, they robbing people at bookies or summin. These gambling places need to be shut down in southall. And these shop owners also need to be held accountable for harbouring and supporting such people who commit these attacks/ robberies on sikhs. I believein equality. But truth be told, Ive never heard of these afghans ever robbing a muslim. So it must be racially motivated, the fact that they only robbing Sikhs or non muslims. We want an end to this. Lets push the police to clamp down on this sorta stuff. robbery charges should carry another charge of it being racially motivated when it clearly is. So, my question is this: Are the police going to step up and do something about it? Or are the sikhs gonna have to do something about it? cuz sikhs in southall aint no strangers to taking direct action. All I ask is that police do what the tax payer pays them to do. Maybe Singh Sabha gurdwara southall should use its links to talk to the police about it. Cuz clearly ordinary voices are not getting heard. And sikhs will inevitably move against these preying groups if the police methods are exhausted without avail.

Not specifically. He vaguely said we were in for bad times and an increase in natural disasters such as earthquakes. But so do millions of others say the same thing including some geologists/scientists. But to my suprise he did specifically say there will be a Magnetic Pole shift taking place in the near future. But again theres nothing amazing about that prediction since a magnetic pole swap does occur every 100,000 years or so. Its more reflecting what scientists have said rather than predicting himself. For those of you who dont already know, a Magnetic pole shift is when the Magnetic North and South of earth reverse naturally every certain thousands of years. Its been happening throughout the earths life.

you 2 are rather amusing sometimes. yes akaal takht hukamnaama must be upheld at all times.

Intresting. Is this the same Bal that then went on to win an election in slough? What did he go to prison for?

I would certainly say in my opinion Bhindarnwale is Shaheed.

Unity is a word we sikhs today dont really deserve to use in my opinion. Much of the real life bickering and arguments among sikhs are clear to see just from the internet. If they really wanted a united front they would take real steps towards it.