KullyKhalsa Ji,
The starter of the thread is actually my cousin. She has been looking for an English version of the GGS. She came to me and was baffled as to why this was written:
-guru sahib is not a book.
-one cannot "buy" guru sahib with money. money is given as bheta (offering). ideally, to cover costs of whichever sevadaar has done the seva.
She never called it a "book" and like it or not people do "sell" them for a set price, even in Gudwaras (unfortunately the one's she has seen up north are not good quality, with dodgy English translation) for in the region of £100. If she caused offence by asking where to get one and how much money etc, then of course, use sense to see this IS not deliberate. Please use common sense instead of, attacking someones wording. If you really are incensed by this, then you should contact Gudwara's asking then to stop doing this, rather than putting the blame on a girl.
I of course, am not supporting the fact that this happens.
I agree with my cousin, what is the point of posting a question, if the response is unhelpful? She never called it a "book" so akirtghan doesnt have to bring up these points.
Also, i appreciate the link he put in, but if its incomplete and inaccurate translations, then why offer this?
What links do you use Kully Khalsa that you can suggest?
When remarks were made about "a decent copy", what she meant was one that wouldnt fall apart - to that does she deserve to read "Be careful what you write...?" No, she does not. She just wants one she can keep. Isnt that a good thing?
akirtghan referred to me as "It" deliberately and maliciously - do you agree with this?
And why say he could care less about people's feelings and then apologise. Do you think this an adequate apology? You say he told the "truth". Well, the truth is people DO "sell" the GGS. Thats the truth. You may not like it, I dont like it but this is life.
That is the truth. It is not my fault.
You said akirtghan answered the question of the thread, well no, actually. Maybe you know a place for my cousin to buy an English version of the GGS? If so, you can answer the question of this thread?
I am from Punjab and have my own traditional copy which i read regulary but British Sikhs like my cousin cannot read the traditional script. I am glad she is looking to read more, but we are both baffled by this "Superiority complex" some people on SikhSanget have, i dont get it.
There is no need to deliberately call people "It" or berate someone when they didnt even call the GGS "a book", or have a go because people sell it, - she doesnt sell it! Or to start saying it is my fault that people are not doing maryada.
It was a simple question. If people dont know where to get one, then fine, so be it.
Im not hating on anyone, i am just standing up for the right for people to ask what they want to ask, in peace and comfort.
Kully Khalsa, instead of saying things like "that person implied its a book" - why not help British Sikhs to learn more instead of supporting and encouraging tittle tattle. Have you read the GGS? It is so against things like that! Please dont be pedantic on stuff like how my cousin worded a question.
Instead why dont you share what links you use for translation or maybe your local Gudwara is more respectful about the distribution of the GGS than the ones my cousin has encountered. Maybe you can share your resources.
Again, i want to say, i mean no disrespect to anyone BUT please, just let people post questions in peace and refrain from nitpicking about how something MAY have potentially been worded. You know and i know, she didnt mean any harm - so there is no need for "harsh words" and "reading between the lines" and "looking at whats being hinted". This reminds me of old ladies, trying to find a fault. Dont deconstruct these sentences so much!
She just wanted advice....
no offence but u just called our beloved guroo sahib it
and that would make anyone mad
bhaji lost his cool because gur ki ninda sunay na kaan