Jamdhoot

At last a decent topic on Sikh Sangat i shall post a reply later on....

how old are you?? :umm: :cool:

what i find is gursikhs are rare to find. However as people think that some look down on others it is true but that is the own ego. i notice gursikhs are kind and compassionate when you want to learn about sikhi. But when your the opposite they tend to stay away from you.

well i just wanted to bring to peoples attention about what nirankaris are saying about the apprent "TRUE" events of vasakhi 1978, after chating to a nirankari they come up with the following story Akal Takht attempted to massacre Nirankari Sikhs during their celebrations for Vaisakhi NOT their gathering for "vicious insults of Guru Granth Sahib Ji". Akalis opened fire on a CELEBRATION, murdering and injuring hundreds and in defence, Nirankari's killed 13 people. Those 13 people are not Saints or Martyrs

Does Anyone here know were a suunder gutka can be purchsed preefeably with transliteration from the uk?

Do Jatha Singhs only use Akaal Takht? As we all know their are many jathas etc.. that do not follow Takht Maryada. But what i have noticed whenever their is beadbi etc.. or something these jathas do not like, they will say its agaisnt the hukam of Akaal Takht. e.g the ik niwas situation and places were their are chairs and tables in the gurdwara. Singhs From Jathas etc.. try to protest etc.. agaisnt such beadbi and try and use the authority of Akaal Takht to support their arguments agaisnt matters, but then at the same time they themselves do not follow Takht maryada. Do Jatha Singhs only use Akaal Takht? Sorry if my post dont make sense.

all that left to decide is that are people like baba garbachan singh bhindrawale, baba takhur singh, baba isher singh etc.... are brahmgyanis or bhai randir singh is brahmgyani..... My Guess Is As Good As Yours

panjabi culture today contridicts sikhism as a religion - so how can one keep a balance ? , religion is something in which you have to give all your faith and devotion to... what will you choose when things begin to contridict culture or religion

i have not been their personaly i have jsut been told by some one who used to go their regualrly

there are people out there who can do that iv seen it intresting... so would u go to this baba if u had a evil sprit in you? i personaly really doubt that this baba can do such things i really doubt he has go any spritual power all he is a business man making money he has statues of devtas and every statue their he has a golak 4 them so people put money their he's got a golak for each religious scriptures , and also hes got a golak for guru granth sahib their and then a golak were he sits and a golak were his wife sits.... he is nor more than a fake baba who is out to make money off weak minded people.

r u sugesting the baba is "real" then since he can take "evil spirits" out??

Isnt bani nirankar?? how can u do beadbi of something thats nirankar?? ... it is good that sikhs got the senchiya out.... the ek niwas person is just a business man who is making money out of people that go their alot of people that go their are the rich type he has proberly got them thinking that if they continue to come their that they will continue to be succsessfull. also this has been going on over 10 years sikhs have been removing a saroop out of their and they would just get another one.

were has the farla come from the article on amrit world suggest it might have come into existance later after the guru sahibs times... what is the maryada to gaining a farla? what does one need to do?? if it is given to singhs that recite alot of bani and are generals etc... then coudnt the farla be a sign of ego as it stands for something? Does anyone know the maryada of obtaining a farla? and what its purpose is? why cant people who aint from any dals wear one ? this seems discrimnating to me just because one is not part of any dal

the article is questioning of the farla if it was even came to being by Guru Gobind Singh theirs a chance according to the article it came to being after the times of the gurus. as for thrashing ? its not a very sikh thing is it if someone weres a farla then they get a beating. what do you have to do to even get a farla? some one that reads lots of bani and does abhiyaas gets a farla from one of the dals? shaheed talwinder singh babbar wore a farla was he given one by any dal? from my limited knowledge he was not part of any jatha or dal? maybe someone can shed some light on it?

The 'Pharla' In his book 'Guru Keeyaan Saakheeyaan', Swaroop Singh Kaushish gives a 'Sakhi', according to which, in Samvat 1760 Bikrami, King Ajmer Chand attacked Sri Anandpur Sahib Ji. Sikh warrior Bhai Maan Singh pitched the flag in the battlefield and fought with force. He was wounded during the ensuing battle during which the Sikh flag was broken by the enemies and fell down. A Sikh relayed this occurrence to Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Guru Ji immediately made a 'Pharara' from blue 'keski' (small turban) and said, "Henceforth, this Khalsa flag will never be broken". The 'Sakhi' given by 'Guru Keeyaan Saakheeyaan' says that 'Pharara' was drawn from the small blue turbans of Bhai Uday Singh, Himmat Singh, Sahib Singh, Mohkam Singh and Aalam Singh Ji. Sahibzada Fateh Singh Ji, who was six year old, also kept a 'Pharara'. Guru Ji smiled and said, "Son! This 'Akali Pharara' will remain in the 'Panth' forever. This is the dress of Sri Maha-kaal. Respect it equally to the flag". Thus, the book 'Guru Keeyaan Saakheeyaan' claims that the tradition of 'Pharla' was started by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself. Though it is claimed that this book was written in 1790 AD, but we find no reference to this book in other old traditional texts. Additionally, this book is discovered only in 20th century. There are many visible changes, which are clearly made in this book at a later juncture. Interestingly, the book 'Sri Gur Sobha' does not mention 'Pharla' anywhere. It is important to tell here that 'Sri Gur Sobha' was written in 1711 AD by Kavi Sainapati, who was a poet in the holy court of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. He was an eyewitness of many of incidents, however he does not make any mention of Sikhs wearing blue small turbans (keski) or 'Pharla'. Another important history book is also silent on the 'Pharla' tradition. This book is 'Gur Bilaas Paatshaahee 10', which was written by Bhai Kuyer Singh in 1751 AD. Why is it so that older texts ('Sri Gur Sobha' and 'Gur Bilaas Paatshaahee 10') do not mention the 'Pharla' tradition, but new book ('Guru Keeyaan Saakheeyaan' written in 1790 AD) does? Before reaching any conclusion, let us consider another text, - the new 'Panth Prakaash' written by Giani Gian Singh, who states that Nihang Naina Singh Ji tied a tall turban and recited the holy line from Sri Guru Granth Sahib, "Main Gur Mil Uch Dumaalrha". Since then, his followers, the Nihangs, began to wear tall turbans, which were called 'Naina Singheeye Dumaalas'. Under the Dumala section , we noted the following: "In Punjabi, the word 'Mal' means wrestler. It is a trend in traditional wrestling competitions that a cloth is attached over a long bamboo pole. This cloth is called 'Maalee' and usually the prize money is tied with it. When a wrestler wins a wrestling match, he lifts this bamboo to show the audience as a sign of his victory. Obviously the prize money tied in 'Maalee' is kept by him. Traditionally, if the 'Maalee' (prize money) was big, it was called 'Dumaalee' or 'Dumaala' (double 'Maalee')." It seems that 'Pharla', which is like an adornment of Nihang turban, was an integral part of the 'Nihang Dumaala' in early days. Today one can commonly see 'Nihang Dumaalas' without a 'Pharla'. Two Nihangs wearing 'Dumalas' with 'Pharla' Referring back to our discussion under the Dumala section again, we also noted: "Akali Phoola Singh Ji was disciple of Bhai Naina Singh Ji. According to the 'Mahaan Kosh', Akali Phoola Singh Ji was born around Samvat 1818 Bikrami (1761 AD). From this, we can reason that Bhai Naina Singh Ji introduced this style of tall turbans, known as 'Naina Singheeye Dumaalas' in second half of 18th century". With this in mind, if we consider the time when Swaroop Singh Kaushish would have written his book 'Guru Keeyaan Saakheeyaan' in 1790 AD, he must have witnessed a section of his contemporary Sikhs adorning the blue 'Pharla' upon their dastaars. Obviously, he mentioned in his writings and concludes that Guru Gobind Singh Ji must have initiated this tradition. There is however the strong possibility that the description of the 'Pharla' was added at a later date in this text. The original text is unfortunately no longer available. In contrast to this, 'Sri Gur Sobha' and 'Gur Bilaas Paatshaahee 10' (Kuyer Singh) were written long before Bhai Naina Singh Ji. The tradition of 'Dumaala' and 'Pharla' was not in vogue at that time, hence we find no mention of it in their earlier texts. It is common amongst the Nihangs to rename many things. For example, 'bhang' (cannabis) is renamed 'Sukha' or 'Sukh-nidhaan' (literally 'treasure of bliss'). Similarly, the 'Turla' is renamed 'Pharla' amongst the Nihangs. Grammatically, the word 'Pharla' originates from the Indian word 'Phar-haraa', which means 'flag'. As it has been said, Bhai Naina Singh started the tradition of 'Pharla'. The 'Nishaanchi' (flagman) would keep the 'Pharla' on his turban, so that he could use arms as well, while carrying the 'Nishaan' (flag) in battlefield. (See Nihang, in 'Mahaan Kosh'). Presently, in most Nihang organizations, the 'Pharla' is given only to senior Nihangs. The Nihang-chief himself ties the 'Pharla' onto the dumalla of the Nihang to whom it is presented. Other Nihang organizations may send their Nihangs to the 'Budhha Dal' chief to get the 'Pharla'. It reinforces their respect for the 'Budhha Dal' and by doing so, indicate their acceptance of the Budhha Dal's superiority. This much said, it has to be noted that there is no compulsory ruling or custom that only the 'Budhha Dal' chief may bestow the 'Pharla' upon a Nihang as many who keep the 'Pharla' upon their 'Dumaala' have not received this from the Budhha Dal. Just as with the Dumalla, which is today worn by many Sikhs, who are not Nihangs per se, the custom of wearing a Pharla with the Dumalla can also be noted amongst non-Nihang groups. taken from amritworld.com

bhai sahib randir singh and baba takhur singh both left in bliss one doubted raagmala other didnt? at the end of the day its the naam abhyiaas that counts both of these meditated on the lord 24/7. whcih lead them to ultimate bliss just becuz one does not belive raagmala it wont lead to pain as jaaping naam is the most important thing in sikhi without it one is nothing

is this some kind of magazine or newsletter?

Arnt the biggest threat to sikhs , sikhs themshelves?

who or what are shiv senas?