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Yes apart from this singh the singhs arrested by khanna police r also subjected to inhuman torture unfortunately none of the sikh groups with the execption of panch pradhani crticised it .BECAUSE OF GROUPISM DISPLAYED BY SOCALLED SIKH GROUPS IS ENCOUARGING PUNJAB POLICE.

there is large scale arrests of sikhs by khanna ,ludhiana, Amritsar police khanna police arrested 3 youths who were injured in ludhiana firing during ashutosh protests these r manjinder singh,jaswinder singh and gurjant singh showing them as babar khalsa militants. Apart from them large no of unconfirmed arrests r going on in Punjab.

U r still confused yes it is true our Gurus were againist the most powerful kingdom unlike prophet Mohhabat who fought againist a small tribe and did not face much resistance but mention any event in history where 43 hungury and injured persons pitted againist a 1 million well armed force still none surrendered and commender in chief of forces the govornor of delhi killed. Sikhs caused a mirale by losing 95% population still defeated the enemy and established its rule it is the biggest ever victory . Our Gurus never fought for kingdom or rule but for the overall freedom of human being had guru ji wished he could have created a kingdom but he never wanted only political freedom but social ,ecomic and cultural freedomtoo.

Ur post is full of incorrect facts first even during Guru Nanak times notable muslims such as Rai Bular,Mardana, Dluat khan became sikhs . Guru Arjun dev ji times many muslims strated becoming sikhs, during Guru Hargobind shiab times for the 1st time in1634 mughal forces forces severe defeat it was first defeat of any muslim empire from inside the empire. Besides sduring 10th master times some prominent muslims like Pir buddhu shah were devotees of gurus ansd guru resolve to remain under the will of god makes them much superior than any prophets of not only other religions but other reformers

Mr Sohan Singh was the founder of second panthic council formed which provided leadership 4 miltant groups like KLF ,BKI, SPLNITER KCXF ANSD SSF LATER SPLINTER BTFK LESD SUKWINSDER SINGH JOINED THEM. AS SAME COUNCIL GAVE CALL FOR BOYCOTT of elctions in 1992 which paved the way of coming into power of congress goverment under which numberless sikhs were killed singhs womenfolk molested by security forces . Mr Atinder pal singh was accused of assassination of indira gandhi besides other actions and he was among the sikh hardliners like baba manochal who wanted sikh fighters to contest the elctions and fight the war politically as he judged during his elction as MP FROM Pataiala people had sympathy for panthic cause. Same mistake was xcommitesd by ltte in sri lanka. Mr Sohan Singh was the founder of second panthic council formed which provided leadership 4 miltant groups like KLF ,BKI, SPLNITER KCF AND SSF LATER SPLINTER Group BTFK LED by SUKWINDER SINGH JOINED THEM. AS SAME COUNCIL GAVE CALL FOR BOYCOTT of elctions in 1992 which paved the way of coming into power of congress goverment under which numberless sikhs were killed singhs womenfolk molested by security forces . Mr Atinder pal singh was accused of assassination of indira gandhi besides other actions and he was among the sikh hardliners like baba manochal who wanted sikh fighters to contest the elctions and fight the war politically as he judged during his elction as MP FROM Pataiala people had sympathy for panthic cause. Same mistake was commited by ltte in sri lanka.

Bro same udasis Mahants commited the sacrileges even during Maharaja Ranjit Singh timesMahant Narain dass was a udasi who burned alive 200 sikhs in Nankana shaiab. As udasis never follow gurmat so they r not sikhs. We can call Sri Chand ji a great saint but remeber one thing he failed in test of gurmat so Guru Nanak ji prefered Guru Angad ji in Guru Nanak house only those following Gurmat is accepted other wrong doings of udasis as follows1During occupation of gurdwaras idols of hindu gods were installed at Darbar Shiab AMRIT SAR and other Gurdwaras and sikhs were told to go to ganga at hardwar before coming to durbar shaiab 2 Women and young girls were gangraped BY sadhus at holy durbar shaiab in durbar shaiab he chief mahant son in 1915-20 declared shamelessly that sikhs should leave their women folks for them many women and girls were forcibly taken away in histroic Gurdwaras. 3 In NANKANA SHIAB IN 1920 A YOUNG GIRL DAUGTER OF A RETIRED PUNJAB OFFICER WAS GANGRAPED WHEN RAHRAS SHIAB PATH WAS BEING PERFORMED WHEN MAHANT NARAIN DASS WAS INFORMED HE JUSTIFIED IT MANY SADHUS USED TO SMOKE AT GURDWARAS AS A RESULT GURDWARA MOVEMENT WAS STRATED , GANDHI SUPPORTED UDASI MAHANTS AT THAT TIME. Do u support such moraly corrupt people Gurfateh sikh sangat must be beware of these fake sikhs

First from snaps management members of Gurdwara do not come under sikh under the definition of sikh they r sirgums according to sikh rehat mayada I personaly feel these mmanagement needs beating with shoes and atleast 1000 kicks for demeaning sikhi if american sikhs can not do this seva people like us r ready to this seva this is mildest punishment , these rascals r reapeating same history mahant narain dass of nankana shaiab and other mahants who had commited same sin and these people need severe punishment.

Iam glad u have understood the concept the questions u raised r asked by many people so I appeal to all members not to lose their cool.Unfortunately our people in majourity has given up the habit of reading. I personaly want all committees of gurdwaras and institutions run by committees to properly propagate the message of sikhi. It is only concecpt which has aim of SARBAT DA BHALLA. gurfateh

See it takes time to rectify the damage but many sikh groups r doing selfless service. Due to politicalising of gurdwara committees not only SGPC but other local committees and role played by elctronic media a large number of youth r getting misguided but due to efforts of some sikh groups now sikhs r turning to sikhi . There is growing trend in older sikh generation to motivate youth to become good professionals but not the good sikhs result is that sirgums or even other sikhs r bullied by migrant biharis who not only indulge in rapes and murders but r indulging in using sikh girls for protitution. I am drifting away from the topic the unshorn hair is essential part of sikhi u can go through the jugdement in GURLEEN KAUR VS STATE OF PUNJAB case no cwp no 14859of 2008 in which Atinder pal Singh khalstani produced paintings of 400 years old showing not only sikh Gurus but the sikhs were keshadharis and verses from SAKHI REHAT KI BY NAND LAL SINGH in which strong injuctions were given by guru ji. Sikhi is not decided by numbers but by commitment only in Gurdwaras people from other faiths r welcome not in muslim, hindu religious places . U r confused by some misinterpretations. In sikhi there is concept of GURU GRANTH AND GURU PANTH . U must have noticed GURU GRANTH IS ACCOMPANIED BY PANJ PYRAS WHY THE ANSWER IS ,IN SIKHI BOTH GURU GRANTH AND GURU PANTH IS ESSENTIAL means spirit of Guru is in GURU GRANTH SHIAB AND PHYSICAL FORM IS IN GURU PANTH sikhs with 5 ks.U seem to be carried away by the large no of youths sheding sikhi but Guru ji said PEHLA MARAN KABBOOL JEEWAN KI SHADH ASAH MEANING ACCEPT FEELING OF SELF SARIFICE.Gurmukhi is essential because transalations of some key words r impossible in other words as it changes or creates new meanings.

Sant sevak u r again twisting and manipulating the facts this is not small minority but majourity of sikhs outside Punjab r true to faith another fact u r ignoring is if there r sirgums there is increase in number of turbaned and Amritdhari singhsthis was stated by IBN CNN itself in 2009 In Punjab due to propagation work done by several jathebandis u r tring to justify the wrongdoing by misguided people . If u have true figures then quote but people in Punjab r now slowly turning to sikhi biggest proof is PICS OF BBHINDRAWALE IN VEHICLES, WEARING OF T SHIRTS OF SANT JEE who was a true sikh and a saint solider . IF some sikhs their hair they will be having physical relations with their blood relatives these werethe words of Guru Gobind sINGH JI.

I have sent the whole judgement 1 year back 165 page pages pronounced by by full bench of Punjab and hayana high court on 31 may 2009 in gurleen kaur versus state of punjab case no is 14859 of 2008 . Secondly this lines were dictated by Guru Gobind Singh to bhai Nand lal Singh ji these submissions with other references were submitted by Atinder Pal Singh Khalastani to the courtalong with other 274 references were from rehatnamas guru granth shaiab u can search throgh website of court and the earlier posts by me by seeing the judgements ur mind will be cleared of misunderstanding. Secondly u can go through the writings of poet senpati. Conversation of Guru Nanak ji with bahrauddin in baghdad is very important if u term these as unreliable then it is ur problem. Name of Rehatnama of Bhai Nand lal is called SAKHI REHAT KI and PRASAN UTTAR . Desa Singh REHATNAMA is almost same those cutting hair are termed as SIRGUMS those doing kurahit after taking Amrit which includes trimming or cutting of hair are called PATITS.

These r not fanatical claims these r facts admitted and recogined by court in definition of sikh case no 1 Guru has said Rehat PYRARI MUGH KO SIKH PYRA NAHIN .U talk about the people cutting kesh they r Sirgums Rehat Nama and historic facts r dictated by Guru ji. No2 Khalsa is Supreme Khalsa Akalpukurkarh ki fauj Sikhism is Supreme AS GOD HAS GIVEN HIS OWN APPEARANCE TO KHALSA HOW CAN OTHER RELIF\GIONS EQUAL TO SIKHI .As far as people cutting hair is concened u r twisting the facts go and visit Mahaastra ,delhi , M.p . In jabalpur anand karaj of shorn sikhs have been refused by local sangat 2 years back in mubai a barat was refused permission by local gurdwara as gromm was a hindu. Each human being is a sikh and sikh can never be a fanatic those very Khalsa gave ideal rule where every community was safe during Banda Singh Bahadur time,Misal rule and Maharaja Ranji Singh times, while anti religion left rule excesses in china ,east germany and Russia r welknown . Then why main sikh prayer demands sikhi with kesh ? Numbers are immaterial after Ranjit Singh sikhs reduced from 1.5 crores to 8 to 10 lacs but this is quality of sikhi . Each human being is born sikh with unshorn hair .If yonug people indulge in anti sikh acts it is due to lack of propagation or out side influence one should be strong enough and wellarae of sikh history,traditions Iam sorry to say those sheds the kesh or eeal of guru r sirgums and this is word of Guru not me and we r nobody to change or misinterpert the sikhi. Sikh is true son of Akalpukarkh . and have appearence of god.

But bro all sikh gurus were KESHADHARIS read the conversation of Guru Nanak ji with Bahruudin in Mecca in which Guru ji has said both hindus and muslims have become sirgum or headless with shorn hair u r speaking the language of radhasoamis ,noormehilas UNSHORN HAIR OR KESH IS FIRST TEST FOR SIKHI WHY WE PRAY TO KEEP KESH WITH BREATH, .Secondly Guru Gobind Singh ji told the bhai Nand lal singh ji THOSE SIKHS WHO CUTT THE HAIR OR TRIMS THE HAIR IS LIKE HAVING PHYSICAL RELATIONS WITH BLOOD RELATIONS. Guru Gobind Singh has further said those interacting with sirgums or clenshaven sikhs will be tankhias do not be slaves with other thinking. Ardass for sirgums can never be performed nor accepted , Person like u should attempt to be good sikhs do not try to be higher and greater than Guru jis Gurfateh

If u want good shasters at low prices u can visit the damdami Taksal stall near the gurdwara dukhniwaran shaiab in Patiala it is same stuff and but better at low price I must tell u there is no comparison with Buddha dal kirpans I have posted details in earlier on this topic buddha dal teghas r just best go for it u will forget the other stuff if u want it as a weapon or visit buddha dal stall near shidi bagh in Patiala in patiala u will get best best shsters at reasonale prices.gurfateh

Man u have not said anything about the wrong doings being done with regard to killing of Babars families by naxals during sikh strugle ur dog Mao killed 70 lac during cultural revolution in china burning mosques muslim uprising stated during that period in china do u justify killings of innocent students in Tinnammen chowk .What about ur supportes farmer group hooliganism in Chandigarh and antisikh writings by Raunki Ram and Rajiv LOchan, Support extended to AShutosh PIG BY naxal leaders ur agenda is clear get support from sikhs like brahmans got and then destroy their religion What about the friendship naxal enjoyed with narender modi and taraksheels antisikh propagation . GO AND GLORIFY MAO IN CHINA AND SEE THE REACTION OF CHENSE U WILL NOT STAND A SECOND WHAT ABOUT ABUSE BY BKU LEADER TO SANT JEE U HAVE FAILED IDOLOGY WITH GENOCIDES OF PEOPLE STALIN FAMILY GOT SHELTER IN INDIA ONLY.ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE MAO IS BY HIS RELATIVES AND CLOSE FRIENDS DO NOT FOOL THE PEOPLE THIS IS RELIGIOUS SITE UR COMRADES BHUPINDER BRAR DEMEANS SIKHI BY HIS ACTIONS U NAME ANYONE SUPPORTING SIKH CAUSE U R AS BAD AS RSS IN TRAIN BLAST IN BENGAL U R NAXALS KILLED 40 SIKHS. WHAT ABOUT UR TRACK RECORD ABOUT THE GENOCIDE U COMMITED SO SIKHS SHOULD BE BEWARE THESE ANTI GOD PEOPLE EVEN TALIBAN R BETTER THAN U.U JUSTIFY THE DISGRCING HOLY KAKAR KESH OF SIKHS SEE WHEN U DID SAME TO A SIKH POLICEMAN IN BIHAR HOW THE OTHER SIKH SOLIDERS KILLED UR 100 COMRADE IN BIHAR.

Sukhwinder Singh case is on record oF high court of Punjab and high court. How can u forget about editor of surakh rekha who was sent to hell in 1983 ,preetlari and his supporters just naxal r tring to use sikhs like fodder like HINDUWADIS, HOW CAN ONE FORGET CULTRAL REVOLUTION OR LARGE SCALE KILLINGS IN 1969 BY BLOODY MAO OR TINNAMENN CHOWK polannd invasion,hungary invasion by soviet union in which 2 million people died and STALIN GENOCIDE SO SIKHS SHOULD FORM RANVIR SENA LIKARMED GROUP TO KILL NAXALS IN PUNJAB.Scores of naxal were killed sikh fighters as they were involved in killings of families of babaras like master Amrik singh, atma singh etc and go and see Ranuaki ram and rajiv lochan statements at time of ludhiana kand just last year tarsem peter a labour leader with naxal leanings was caught burning HOLY GURDWARA. MAO AND MARX ARE BIG FRAUDS MAO USED TO SLEEP WITH TEENAGED GIRLS IN HIS LAST DAYS HOW CAN THEY BE ROLE MODELS OF SIKHS THEY JUST NEED KICK IN THE BACK.In 2008 they killed a sikh police officer after doing beadbi of his kesh in orrisa.

See bro naxalite r fanatic leftists their movement started in Naxalbari village for this these r known as naxallites in 1952 or 50. iN Punjab these persons strated their movement in same time by looting police station in Sri Hargobinpur and chamkaur shaib , They joined sikh political parties in 1960 and their biggest suppoter was G.S Tohra . These people r ANTI SIKH PEOPLE noted historians such as j.s gre wal are known leftists other leaders are chandumajra, B,S BHUNDER, and 60/ percent of mann group are pro leftists, THERE ROLE DURRING SIKH MOVEMENT WAS ANTISIKH they formed armed groups to kill the families of sikh figters and joined the as police cats there were prominent police cats still operating like sukhi cat another sukhwinder singh alias generel dyal singh who killed the families of BAbar Khalsa singhs. they r biggest manipulaters they r taking advantages of anti tribal policies. In punjab they have student group under the name of punjab student union, during 80s they weakened due to popularity of sant ji. their agenda in punjab is to destroy panth which can be judged from taraksheel group materials unfortunately sikh groups are not realising their threat Indian goverment is leniant as due fear of losing votebank of low castes and some of their allies like rjd,trimool congress r supporters during ludhiana kand their leaders like punjab university teacher raunki ram supported the ASHUTOSH AND BIHARIS AND JUSTIFIED THE USE OF FORCE ON SIKHS

Mam first word in Sri Guru Granth Shiab is EKONKAR means only one Almighty that is God secondly why we keep unshorn hair answer is that when a human being takes shape first shape is tail like which is actually hair when a human takes birth he has unshorn hair so it s correct to say each humanbeing is born as a sikh. Although Guru Gobind Singh ji included unshorn hair as the first test for Sikh but first Guru Nanak ji also lays emphasis on unshorn hair as it is clear from many events related to his travels all sikh Gurus along with their families and other sikhs had unshorn hair as the oldest wall paintings bear testimonial to it. So sikh is successor to Almighty and Amrit or believe in holy nectar along with strict code regulates a sikh life. As God gives a soul human to live like humans only sikh code of conduct guides true human beings to live like humans even in worst diasters like war, natural calamities.

Ujjal is no sikh do not call him a sikh U will be insulting both sikhi and sikh gurus HE is a bloody Sirgum this is name our Gurus from Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind sINGH HAS given to a person being born in sikh family shears hair U can read the conversation between Guru Nanak and pir Bharudin in Mecca I and u r nobody to decide who is sikh further in during ludhiana visit he claims to be a arya samaji and marxist both failed ideologies. He is the enemy of panth and we people. He should be botcotted for his misdeeds,

May Guru Maharaj keep him with him but we need true singhs like him I pray to Guru ji to keep him in his charan.Gur fateh

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.Gur fateh Do you know the approximate location in Patiala? I'm going to be going to Bhatinda and would like to locate the stall, also do you have an approximate how much a high quality kirpan/khanda would cost me in rupees? It is just 15 or 10 mintues distance to bus stand if u go to Dukhniwaran shaiab just outside Gurdwara shaiab near the STD booth there is Damdami taksal stall and before that another shop these people sell the kirpan starting at 350 rupees to 1500 but if u want to buy as a weapon u can get good tegha at 700 rupees at the most u can reduce to 50 rupees after bargaining these same shasters r sold 1200 to 20,000 even some more costly at other places do not tell u r NRI .Motobagh gurdwara is litle far away sho no b-21/511 nabha gate sells good shasters but at more prices at shahidi bagh u can get buddha dal teghas at 700 rupees I hope u could have visited Anandpur Shaib hola mohalla kirpans a strating at 600 to 900 rupees I found were the best ever I have ever seen.gurfateh sorry I forgets to tell u can get buddha dal teghas stamped one near dukhnivaran shaiab also. and in other shops u can get good kirpans at compititive rates instead of Amritsar one should buy shasters from Patiala I have heard that at Jhar Shaiab near Chamkaur Shaiab a nihang singh makes good kirpans but I was told by a singh kirpans covered in mango wood sheath can be preserved for long time.

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.Gur fateh Do you know the approximate location in Patiala? I'm going to be going to Bhatinda and would like to locate the stall, also do you have an approximate how much a high quality kirpan/khanda would cost me in rupees? It is just 15 or 10 mintues distance to bus stand if u go to Dukhniwaran shaiab just outside Gurdwara shaiab near the STD booth there is Damdami taksal stall and before that another shop these people sell the kirpan starting at 350 rupees to 1500 but if u want to buy as a weapon u can get good tegha at 700 rupees at the most u can reduce to 50 rupees after bargaining these same shasters r sold 1200 to 20,000 even some more costly at other places do not tell u r NRI .Motobagh gurdwara is litle far away sho no b-21/511 nabha gate sells good shasters but at more prices at shahidi bagh u can get buddha dal teghas at 700 rupees I hope u could have visited Anandpur Shaib hola mohalla kirpans a strating at 600 to 900 rupees I found were the best ever I have ever seen.gurfateh

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.Gur fateh