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In Akaal Ustat Guru Gobind Singh Ji says, jaap ke keeye te jo pai payut ajaap dev. pudna sadeev tuhi tuhi ucharat hai. If it were possible to realise through jaap alone, then the Pudna bird that utters 'tuhi tuhi' (would be realised). Guru Ji says again and again, do jap naam. Vaheguru is gurmantar. What is naam?

Lots of nihangs are married.

In india, we see criples and disabled people crawl to see maharaj because thats the love they have. If we truly want to see maharaj, we will get on our hands and knees if need be to see him. Wen i was young, a boy had a bad disability, he cudnt walk properly so his parents used to hold him while he walked, if he didnt have the support of another, he wasnt able to stand. He wud walk in or crawl in. Once, at a nagar keertan, he came in the wheel chair, he REFUSED to use it. He said why should he be able to sit and be pushed the way, he wants to walk. Normally he wud take the chair but this particular year he didnt. (remember i sed, he cudnt walk without the aid of another, and with that, it was a very slow pace..) He CRAWLED the length of the nagar keertan as he has so much pyaar for maharaj. I personally believe any chair or seating higher then the floor is incorrect in a darbaar. People can get darshan, Gurdwara where i reside, they keep the doors open so people can sit outside on chairs if need be and stil get darshan / listen to keertan / paath / keertan. In puratan days, they had no wheel chairs, so why do we need them to see Guru Ji? People had disabilities then to, its just we expect everything here coz its england and the law ensures disabled access. Gurdwaras do provide disabled access, flat entry to the doors, lifts where applicable. But they DONT need to change the darbar. Maharaj knew everything, why is it so difficult for us to come to terms with that? he knows the future, he IS the future.. I apologise if people find this post upsetting, but we expect to much coz we live in the western world. If we lived with the basics, we wudnt complain, we wud get around it. We just think we are better then Guru Ji now, seriously that is in effect the way we are. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh What about someone who cannot crawl? What if they are quadraplegic? What about someone who cannot sit on the floor?

The issue is not why has the symbol changed. Historically there has always been a variety of Nishan Sahibs. The symbols (if any) and the colours varied phenomenally. Within the last 100 years there has been a standardisation of the kesri colour and the Khanda symbol as we know it today. The real question should be why are we so intolerant of any deviation from this contemporary design? And why are 99% of us ignorant of our history?

lol. When I first read the topic I thought it said "Singh Caught Trying To Inflate Dera Sirsa"

A shoe?

I don't know. [From what I've heard] he's not going to be there, but they are going to fly over some other speakers. But don't take my word for it. Admin, thanks for putting it up on the first post.

Thanks for responding to my questions Bijla Singh. I will reply in more detail when I have time.

Then why don't you post the answers here? Or just tell the truth, which is that you cannot answer them!

You're taking the statement literally and out of context. If you listen to what they say, you'd realise that they mean no one is forcing them to do anything. No one is there telling them they have to do this or they have to do that. Instead they are encouraged and inspired to follow Sikhi and have love for Maharaaj. but then dont they take it all so lightly and think more freely of themselves?? because then theyd be listening to their mind, and in sikhi mind has to be controlled to achieve the goals for every sikh. anyway for this years camp could you please make sure they dont do that finger thing and say vaheguru, not right at all man. Again you've misinterpreted. Let me put it another way. You can either tell someone they have to get up at amritvela and do naam simran, or you can encourage and inspire people to do it. You can either enforce something, or lead by example. There were many people from different backgrounds at the camp last year, some of whom had never had any kind of experience of Sikhi. If crossing two of their fingers helps them into their Sikhi then fair do's to them. It's not something I'd personally do because I associate it with ghetto rap culture.

Many people on this thread have said that Khalistan "is a must". To fight for something, you must first know what you are fighting for. So please could the pro-Khalistani's answer these questions as I am a little confused on exactly what Khalistan will be. 1. What will the borders of Khalistan be? Please be as specific as possible. 2. If the borders extend into Pakistan, should we fight against the Pakistani government as well as the Indian government? 3. What will the form of government for Khalistan be? Will there be a democracy? 4. Will Khalistan allow the free expression of religion regardless of people's beliefs? Will halal meat be allowed in the country? Will wine be allowed? 5. There have been numerous cases of fights (and even murders) during election time at gurdwaras. How will you ensure that an entire country of Sikhs will remain peaceful? 6. In the years after 1984, many young Sikhs were killed in the armed struggle for Khalistan. Most of these deaths were at the hands of the Punjab Police who were 80% Sikh. So most of the deaths were Sikh on Sikh violence. Given that, how will you ensure that something like that will not happen again? 7. It is difficult to think of anything happening with Punjab politics without some form of corruption involved. The same goes for the SGPC, which runs the Akaal Takht, the highest throne of the Sikhs. How will you weed out corruption which is so ingrained into the Punjabi lifestyle and mindset? 8. Whatever the borders of Khalistan are, it will not have direct access to the sea. How will Khalistan trade with the outside world if it is at odds with India and Pakistan (bearing in mind any air freight would have to go through their airspace)? 9. Punjab is a semi-arid region. Without the rivers running through it, it would rapidly turn to desert. All of the rivers running into Khalistan would first come through India. India has diverted river water in the past from Punjab to Haryana, but cannot divert any more because of the public outcry and political minefield they would be entering. With no duty to the citizens of Khalistan, how would you prevent India from diverting ALL river flows from entering Khalistan causing it to turn to desert? 10. Agriculture is pretty much the only industry in Punjab (bar tourism). With the animosity likely to be faced from India and Pakistan and the trade barriers and huge farming subsidies in the West, who would the farmers of Khalistan sell their produce to? And if they are unable to sell beyond the borders of Khalistan competitively, how will you ensure there is not a wholesale collapse of the farming industry in Khalistan? Those are a few of the questions I can think of. I have many more, but would like to hear responses to those above before I continue. And these are not questions that can be answered later. Before you can fight for something, you have to know what you are fighting for! Your answers will make Khalistan more than just a fanciful idea. Personally I cannot see how Khalistan could possibly ever work, but I hope someone can prove me wrong...

joiq rUip hir Awip gurU nwnku khwXau ] The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak. Awip nrwiexu klw Dwir jg mih prvirXau ] The Lord Himself wielded His Power and entered the world. inrMkwir Awkwru joiq jg mMfil kirXau ] The Formless Lord took form, and with His Light He illuminated the realms of the world.

You're taking the statement literally and out of context. If you listen to what they say, you'd realise that they mean no one is forcing them to do anything. No one is there telling them they have to do this or they have to do that. Instead they are encouraged and inspired to follow Sikhi and have love for Maharaaj.

Here are Guruka Singh's reviews of Sikh Student Camp: Blog 1 Blog 2 Sikh Student Camp 2007 5 - 11th August Miss it, miss out! Check out the trailer: Trailer www.sikhstudent.org Admin, please can you put the details of Sikh Student Camp on the first post as well. Thanks