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  1. (Admin jee - can this be a sticky? Want max sangat to know about amrit sanchaar!) Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh University of Waterloo’s Sikh Student Association Cordially invites all of you to join us for the 20th anniversary of Waterloo's Youth Keertan Darbars on March 15 – 17th, 2013 Programme: Friday (evening) Time: 5:30pm – 8:30pm Program type: Akhand Keertan Location: Cambridge Gurughar (1401 Roseville Road) Saturday (morning) Time: 6:00am – 10:00am Program type: Asa Di Vaar Location: Local House (TBD) Saturday (evening) Time: 6:00pm – 2:00am Youth Keertan Darbar Location: Kitchener Gurughar (2070 Snyder’s Road) *Amrit Sanchar STARTS at 6:00pm* (Contact us if you wish to take Amrit) Sunday (morning) Time: 1:00pm Event type: Gatka Location: Kitchener Gurughar (2070 Snyder’s Road) For those who do not have rides, there will be a FREE BUS leaving from Dixie Gurughar (7080 Dixie Road, Mississauga, Ontario) at 4:00 pm on Saturday, March 16th, 2013 in time for the YKD @Kitchener Gurughar. Please contact us if you would like to be on the bus. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us via: Email – uofwssa@gmail.com Phone: 647 460 1882
  2. Dear Sangat Ji, I am a frequent reader of this site but I seldom post, and am for the first time ever starting a new thread. I do so because I feel that we can perhaps openly examine as a community some of the root causes of many of the challenges that posters present here, especially in the Gupt section. I post here instead of "Whats Happening" as there may be those who wish to contribute but not reveal their identities. The topics that keep coming up over and over include: Women and issues with hair (and the fact that it affects their chances of marriage) Youngsters and romantic relationships (how soon they wish to start their journeys toward Ghristi Jeevan) Depression (having nobody to talk to or share their feelings with) Isolation (lack of sangat and the impact of social politics and dynamics) Each of these can be reduced to the last one on the list: Isolation or loneliness. The need for human contact, identity and belonging is recognised as paramount to healthy human development. The impact of being "under socialised" or isolated can lead to all kinds of psychological issues. In fact, the affects of isolation in the young can lead to "Failure to Thrive" syndrome where people cannot function or catch up with their "normal" counterparts. Today we exist in greater numbers that ever in human history, have vastly greater social connections than we have ever had, (this site is one example, and of course there is the social media that surrounds us), yet it seems that humans have never been lonelier. It has also been proposed that while we have more connections, the relationships have become shallower and less meaningful as they become greater in number. We might have 300 facebook friends and 300 phone contacts but feel like we have nobody to talk to. At the same time we naturally make efforts to be part of some or other social "tribe", and try to identify and be accepted by them by acting, talking and dressing alike. The human social instincts that we have been blessed with drive us to join with others and also drives our fear of rejection. In ancient times, social rejection (from your tribe or village) was a sure death sentence. We could not survive without the protection of our social group and its function to sustain members of the greater whole. Today, rejection is unlikely to result in death yet we still fear it as such. Loss of friends, the end of a marriage, the rejection of a proposal, rejection by those we would keep Sangat with, a breakdown in communication or relations with family, we may fear and treat any of these and react in a manner as if it is "the end of the world" (read death). Fear of being alone seems to be a great driver of the challenges that keep coming up for the Sangat on this site and beyond. Women who fear rejection due to their facial or body hair are afraid that they will end up unwed and alone (or with someone who does not fit the ideal picture they might have of a husband). Youngsters drawn to the rose tinted fantasy of romantic relationships are also trying to get a head start in the race to find a partner, again for fear of ending up alone. We all want to be close to others, to have understanding and to be appreciated by someone that will find us to be worthy. If we do not have this acceptance and appreciation, we face the terrifying prospect of not only a lonely life, but death at a genetic level as there are no children to carry on our biological heritage. Parents desire the respect of their children. Those who are bullied for being different wish that they would be accepted just like others are instead of being socially rejected. All human beings want to find their place in the world. And if we feel that those needs are not being fulfilled, we end up feeling isolated and depressed. Depression is so ubiquitous now that I was told that one Chardi Kala Gursikh said to one of the Singhs in their Sangat that "People come to us claiming that they have been attacked by black magic, that they do not understand what is happening to them, when in fact they are suffering from depression". They said that Mahraj describe it in baani as "Mann Ka Taap" or "disease of the mind". And why not. For someone who doesn't know what a panic attack, or a bipolar disorder is, a sudden shift in their equilibrium can be terrifying and seem supernatural. They may develop agoraphobia, claustrophobia or any one of numerous symptoms, as result of feelings of isolation and loneliness which lead them to depression. It is important to mention that isolation doesn't have to mean physical isolation. We can feel isolated within Sangat, within the family, even within a marriage. When faced with depression people can behave in destructive manners, i.e using the five vices of Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Hankaar or addictions such as alcohol or drugs to try to protect themselves from the symptoms of depression. Then, we often see posts of people confessing their guilt and doing a virtual Peshi before the Sangat here, asking if Mahraj will ever forgive them, or posting that they have lost faith as they feel isolated even from Mahraj. The truth is depression is a mental illness. It has symptoms and those symptoms can be treated to correct the chemical imbalances that drive this illness. Further, it needn't be a cause of shame, any more than having the flu should cause us to be ashamed. For those who are currently facing depression I would like to add that there IS light at the end of the tunnel and there are ways of combating this. Different methods work for different people and there will be a combination of methods that will work for you. So Sangat ji, I invite you to share ways, both spiritual and practical that we might combat depression and its symptoms. I know some members will say "Do more Paath" and others will say "Get some exercise", I think it would be especially useful if those who themselves have faced or are dealing with depression to share the solutions that they have found and applied on their own journeys. I am hoping that in the advice that is shared members of the Sangat, wherever they are on their spiritual journey, will find inspiration and tools to carve their own path to well being.
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    Amrit Sanchaar

    Does anyone know when they'll be a Amrit Sanchaar in East London Singh Sabha or anywhere close to London? In march or April ??
  4. SSA All. Want to share this from so long but was not able to but now i have to...... I became baptized around 5 months back.... before that i was a girl who enjoyed life- like whatever i think was fine for me i did dat.. from childhood i am non-veg eater all elders at my home drink so as i tasted all the well known brands.. my father does not have objection for taking liquor he says dnt make a habit..i was having lots n lots of friends but rarely have sikhs as close one.. i do have sikh guys as my friends but dont have sikh girls.... i dnt know y.. mostly are hindus.. especially brahmins.. muslims n christains but sikh are in rare numbers.. as friends... As my BG was religious but not amritdhari i use to listen to her alot she has so much of gyan regarding sikhism i generally use to sit n question her for various aspects of my religion...she use to clarify it which made me to cultivate luv for sikhi... one fine day i remember i just said to my elders i want have amritchak but they were against it.. they said u have ur whole life to do this... do it after 40s... I use to do lot of path though as i m firm believer of my religion from childhood.. few days back(before taking amrit) i fall sick coz of blood infection.. its like almost for a month was on bed.. being on bed i use to search alot on sikhism on net n one fine day there was some zeal coming out from inside to take amrit.. without asking my elders i went to gurdwara alone n had amrit chak.. after coming back home my mum n BG was happy with what i did but my father was not.. at the back of my mind i was knwing what i m n what i did was all walking on path of my religion.. my significant other was 2nd person who hated me for wat i did Now the real thing began.. i tried to find sangat.. so that i can get lil moral support.. n in real i dont have any Gursikh as a good.. friend... nor boy nor girl... though i just tried to connect with some most of them were boys but they took me on wrong sense coz of my frank nature Girls- i have came across only 1 amritdhari girl n she was also lil khadus.. n now went back to my old friends but as due to following certain rules in life as of rehat they demotivate me... Now i dont like people sitting in front of me n drinking... now i dont like people talk vulger n using morons.. i think coz of following rehet m mentality is changing... . Atlast i m left out with neither friendz (coz i cant survive with them as if they will again make me what i use to be) nor sangat (for them i m more frank n they think i m interested in them in all the wrong sense) nor father is supporting.. all i have a Guru dats it Even my mother is worried- she everytime says that dont indulged deep into religion this is not ur age to do all this i am in early 20ties N one more thing people run off when u start to talk about ur religion queries that u have I am strong enough to follow what i did but in the mean time i m trying to hide my identity so that people dont judge me that i m amritdhari coz i m tired of listening pravachan from Gursikhs(elders) n Demotivation from Other.. leading to all Alone.. with few good people on this forum Only Guru I have ... Only Guru i have :respect: :respect:
  5. Hi, My dad would like to take Amrit, but he works in a local supermarket on the till. So he is in touch with meat alcohol etc. Would he have to quit his job when he takes Amrit?
  6. NIRVAIR KHALSA JATHA WEST LONDON TOUR! Friday 21st Decemeber Guru Nanak Sikh Academy Springfield Road Hayes,UB4 0LT 6:30PM-8PM Sunday 23rd December Ramgarhia Sikh Association Golden Crescent Hayes UB3 1AQ 6:30PM-8:00PM Tuesday 25th December 2012 Guru Nanak Darbar Southall King St UB2 4DQ 7PM-8PM Wednesday 26th Decemeber Nanaksar Southall UB1 2DL 7PM-8:30PM Thursday 27th December 2012 Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall Park Avenue 7:30PM-9PM Also the Sahibzade Shaheedi Smagam in Southall here is the link https://www.facebook.com/events/544774658883445/ (Nirvair Khalsa Jatha will also be there on these days) Saturday 29th December 2012 Guru Amardass Hall, Opp. Gurdwara Guru Amardass, 1A - 3 Clifton Rd, Southall, Middx, UB2 5QP 7PM Sunday 30th December 2012 Guru Amardass Hall, Opp. Gurdwara Guru Amardass, 1A - 3 Clifton Rd, Southall, Middx, UB2 5QP 7PM
  7. can yu guys tell me any gurudwara in indiana or in chicago doing amrit sanchar
  8. we must make sure the right hand is on top when we drink amrit we must use the right leg as the first when changing kachare we must give out prashaad in main darbaar halls with our right hand too. including the kara. the kirpaan. why is it that we believe in right handedness? the ‘saje hath’. I asked this question to my ‘main G (gurmukh)’. but I was left with the answer of, ‘there is a ghost on the left hand and it makes u do bad things; and that at the time of satjug everyone was right-handed. and as the times got worse till now, kaljug, the leftys increased’. o_O I then answered ‘ I don’t believe in that’ then the reply was that, ‘nowadays, people don’t believe in this because it is the faas of kaljug’ then I sed, ‘guruji says >>bin seva dhrig hath pair<<. no distinguishing between right or left’. I further replied, guru G says >doe kar jor< and that all duality must be done away with, and with hell on the left (o_O) and heaven on the right, look to neither, and marry all duality, paap and pun, kanchan loh, kacha meetha, khabe and saje, and just do > doe, kar JOR <. I want to know what sangat things of this. my main G (the gurmukh) is an amazing soul. has had Kirpa from multiple sants including a pooran sant. so try not to knock what ma G has said. jus to add, guruji further says, >fir pachtaane HATH falga< {u will regret the actions of ur hands}. again no distinguishing of ryt or left hand. however, guruji also used the word, dachan/dakhan alot in sggs. >danat dachan...< in aarti. dachan is technicaly south. but ppll think its the right hand side cuz they face east towards the sunrise. thus, south becomes associated with right handed. this is also known as sun pooja to 'soorya'. and we do not worship any sun god! this is what guru nanak dev ji stoped with the whole 'ppl thinking that they were giving water to their dead reletives cuz they are thirsty' thing. - from this, we should not believe in right handed ness! in DG, guruji says, >gusse aaee kaalka, hath saje lai tarvaar kau< ...in the battle kali came with the sword in her right hand. I dout that this has any significance in the non-use of the left hand. kali was prob right handed in other words! and, bhavani (durga) held a sword in her left hand too. (>khabe dasat naachaee..< and (>khabe dasat Ubhaari..<) I want to know what sangat thinks of left and right handedness; bearing in mind the above quotes. {{this is a long first post cuz normally I wait for the discourse in these topics to gain impetus, but most of the time it never does.. so Iv just put here 1 time all that I think..}} much obliged! gurfateh!
  9. Gurfateh, My local Gurdwara are seeking to start up classes for Children’s self defence/martial arts and are looking for instructors who will act as role models first i.e. Gursikhs with the martial arts aspect following on. We believe having an amritdhari instructor will give the kids a role model to look up to and aspire to. The intention being that they will learn sikhi principles along with the self confidence not only to look after themselves and others but also the confidence in the sikhi saroop. We are looking for recommendations of such gursikhs in and around the Birmingham area, so Wolverhampton, Walsall etc are all within easy commute. I would appreciate your help and assistance. Bhul chuk marf.
  10. WJKK WJKF Just wondering if anybody on here knows of any Amrit Sanchar programmes happening in the UK asap. Or indeed, if anybody knows of a Jor Mela happening any time soon, any information is greatly appreciated. Fateh.
  11. If anyone wants Amrit in London area ASAP, please PM me. I have asked for Amrit, a Gurdwara is happy to arrange but prefer to have more than 1 amrit seeker.
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    Amrit questions

    Daas needs Amrit but is confused. 1. There are various options of groups with differing rehats. The Granthi at my local gurdwara (UK, south east) just told me 'Amrit is Amrit', go to the next available Amrit Sanchar, which didn't help. All groups claim their rehat is historically most accurate, but which one is? Is SGPC rehat a political compromise? Some people say also the lives of panj pyare are important. Does it make a difference? If the ceremony and subsequent rehat varies, they can't all be correct? Daas has read Bhai Sahib Randir Singh ji's books, he describes how taking Amrit was a sublime experience, a spiritual rebirth but that he did not feel inspired by the way he was given 'naam'. How different exactly is the AKJ naam? Can anyone here say they felt some special spiritual experience when they received Amrit in different groups? 2. Do all Amritdharis wear traditional knee length kacchera? How does one wear 5 kakkars whilst swimming? 3. There are many shapes and sizes of kirpan available, daas is confused. Apart from being sarbloh are there any other requirements? Single or double sided blade, curved or straight tip, 5 or 7 inch? 4. Daas' punjabi is very poor but is learning fast. Can now have basic conversation with native speakers and is teaching computer to old man in Gurdwara- in Punjabi. taught self Gurmukhi, but still read very slowly. Learning (and understanding) nitnem is painfully slow- one page per month. Can daas take Amrit only after having fully mastered and understood every single word in nitnem, or is it acceptable to use nitnem time for gurbani veechar (withouth reciting full nitnem)? Daas could parrot or listen to nitnem without understanding but that seems pointless; he wants to know what is being recited in depth. Daas begs for Guru's Amrit and feels the call inside but if not being able to recite all of nitnem is an obstacle, it may be years before daas is "ready". There is pressure of a deadline as potential future wife is Amritdhari (have only discussed Gurbani with this spiritual lady, nothing inappropriate). If daas doesn't take amrit, his family will not take daas' sikhi ambitions very seriously. 5. Daas lives with 'goras' and 'patits' in shared house. They have bad habits. He cannot afford to live elsewhere. Is there any rehat restriction on sharing a kitchen with non vegetarians or those who break cardinal sins? His food is stored and cooked separately in own vessels, but there is a common fridge and freezer (circulation of bad air?). What about sharing a washing machine, in case some unclean item sticks to my clothes? All these things already makes daas uncomfortable and unhappy being a lifelong vegan, but will it break rehat after taking Amrit? 6. Daas is vegan. He doesn't like using animal and non-organic products. He is very particular about how food is prepared and balanced nutrition. How can he convince himself that langar and karah prasad can be eaten and that kirtan can be listened to? Tabla are made from animal skin (usually the animals are subsequently eaten by muslims- got this straight from a tabla manufacturer when trying to source tabla skin from animal that died natural death- apparently it's just a marketing ploy to make customers feel good about themselves- even goats that die a natural death are eaten (so hypocritical to use skin of animal that was consumed for food but whilst rejecting such food and those people who eat it). Daas asks because after taking Amrit, one surely cannot refuse langar, prasad and kirtan? 6. Daas has seen Amritdharis in extreme agony after being separated from kakkars, however never seen same Amritdharis cry in pain when they have gone for long period without a good meditative naam simran experience. It seems only Sants seem to speak and write about the latter kind of agony. Or is daas wrong? How can daas stop himself from falling into the trap of rehat becoming ritual, isn't it easy for it to become a daily process, following through blindly, e.g. tying kirpan on head during bathing may become a matter of process rather than telling oneself each and every time why one is doing that? Bhul chuk maaf karna. Please be kind to daas, he is lowest of low worm and may have made many mistakes above. He has noone else to ask. Young amritdharis here have a friends 'circle'. Daas tried to get involved but did not receive a positive response. Cannot ask sewadars these questions.
  13. The Panj Piares were Sikhs before becoming amritdhari so what was the change in them after taking amrit? What was the difference in them? How do we turn different after we take amrit? Heres the original question asked on facebook by a nindak of Guru ghar. Amrit Shakan to Pehla Punj Pyarian da religion ki c te Amrit shakan to baad Panj Pyarian da dharm ki c? J oh pehla v sikh san ta Amrit shak k ki farak pai gya? te jo oh Amrit shak k sikh bane ta ki oh sare lok jina ne amrit nahi shakya c ya hai(Including All Gurus) ohna da dharm ki hai ya C?
  14. Are there any specifications for wearing Kirpans for amritdhari, as in it cannot be rusted etc. My one is a bit rusted, scratched.
  15. Worth watching the entire video. Great information on creation of the Khalsa. For kids. Audio:
  16. Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh Well im 16 years old, and brought up in a sikh family but not a family that strictly follows rehat no one in my family has ever ate meat, drank or smoked but they dont wake up at amrit vela and jap naam. Recently I have started to fall in love with sikhi a lot more and my amrit vela is getting stronger day by day. However I am facing problems from my parents as they believe weird stuff like im apparently not meant to have ishnaan on tuesdays and thursdays because its meant to not make me become succesful. However I still have been doing for the past year but my dad does not know as I have ishnaan do amritvela and tie my kesh in to a keski and he doesnt know i have had an ishnaan. Another problem i am facing is that my parents dont allow me to wear bana and they want me to tie a sidhi dastar like triangular and say they are not going to let me stay in the house if i tie a dumalla and wear bana One day I asked if I could order a kirpan off the internet and my dad got so mad and start saying the days are changing people have guns you dont need a kirpan get on with your studies. Also I asked if i could take amrit and my dad said In a Loud Loud Voice "NO" amrit is not necessary as Guru Nanak Dev Jee did not take it i try and explain and he just gets mad and angry. Waheguru Jee Can someone please help Daas |
  17. Amrit Sanchar 24th December 2011 at 10am at Gurdwara Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji (New Building) for further info contact - Bhai Gurraj Singh on 07807 471521
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