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  1. CHANDIGARH: The Pakistan government has decided to declare 'Panja Sahib' a holy city and would initiate efforts to sort out all issues related to the welfare of the Sikhs living at the pilgrimage site. This was stated by the President of Pak-Indo friendship association and legal consulate ministry of interior government of Pakistan Arif Chaudhry, during his meeting with the Punjab chief minister Parkash Singh Badal here, an official release said here. Panja Sahib is believed to house a rock having the hand print of Guru Nanak, founder of Sikh religion, and is a popular pilgrimage spot for Sikhs across the world. Chaudhary also invited Badal to Pakistan to attend a function organized by the Association on this occasion, the schedule of which would be finalized as per his convenience. Accepting the invitation, Badal said that he had always championed the cause for further strengthening bilateral ties between India and Pakistan through opening Hussainiwal and Fazilka border that would give impetus to trade. He hoped with the formation of the new government in Pakistan, the bilateral relations would further improve and new business and cultural exchange avenues would be worked out through promoting people to people contact programmes. The Pakistan official said that the forum would also try to sort out all issues related to the welfare of Sikhs living at Panja Sahib. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-set-to-declare-Panja-Sahib-as-holy-city/articleshow/20590054.cms
  2. June 18, 2013 by Zahid Gishkori Source: tribune.com.pk June 17, 2013: ISLAMABAD: History was made in the Punjab Assembly last week when Sardar Ramesh Singh Arora became the first Sikh in close to 67 years who entered into Pakistan’s biggest provincial assembly and took oath as a parliamentarian. Wearing a traditional orange-coloured turban, Sardar Arora walked into the packed assembly hall. Heads bearing warm smiles and broad grins turned in his direction and greeted the new member. A renowned social worker and leader of the Sikh community in Pakistan, Arora comes with a mission to use the shared religious linkages across borders to further peace and trade between Pakistan and India. Arora points out that the Gurdwaras in Nankana Sahib and Amritsar, sacred places for the Sikh community, are located only three to four kilometers away from the international border, but both Indian and Pakistani authorities do not let pilgrims from the other country visit the historical and sacred places. “I will play a key role to promote Pakistan-India diplomacy. We should negotiate with India by passing a resolution that Kartarpur corridors should be constructed to facilitate the visitors,” the Sikh parliamentarian said, adding that business between the two neighbours should be increased. “Kartarpur doors should be open for Indian pilgrims to easily come to Pakistan.” Arora, who grew up in in a modest Sikh family from Nankana Sahib in Punjab, before his family moved to the Kartarpur district, Narowal to serve at the Gurdwara Kartrarpur as a Granthi. His services to his community made him aware of the numerous Gurdwaras that are in immediate need of repairs. “My first job is to get a resolution passed for protection of Sikh’s Gurdwaras in Pakistan in Punjab.” Arora believes that some of the shrines may even need help from the federal government. “It’s a responsibility of the federal government to reopen some of the Sikh shrines by doing its homework,” he told The Express Tribune. As a Sikh, Arora is also troubled by the migration of Sikh community from the militant infested Tirah Valley in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. He complained that the National Database Registration Authority (NADRA) was not registering their children and were subsequently finding it difficult to find admissions in educational institutions. “We are creating a barrier for Sikh children not to go to school. Once they [children] do not get education—it means they are being deprived of their basic rights.” Several Sikh families migrated to Nankana Sahib, Hasanabad and other cities with Sikh population after some members their community were kidnapped last year by militants in the tribal areas. Despite this, and media reports, Arora believes Pakistan has a conducive environment for non-Muslims to live. “There is a very conducive environment for non-Muslims to live here in Pakistan. It’s totally a negative agenda. Pakistan is very much safe for minorities and provides equally opportunity to its minorities.” Arora strived for protection of minority rights and represented Pakistan’s image about minorities’ rights protection at international forums. The government of Pakistan appointed Arora as a member of the Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee. He promoted the commitment of the government to instill peace, equality, justice and tolerance within the Pakistani society. Arora follows the vision of the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah. “The imperative need of the moment is to eliminate all forces of violence, intolerance, extremism and discrimination and to create a peaceful, tolerant society.” ---------------------------------<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/68518840" width="398" height="292" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> http://www.sikhnet.com/news/first-sikh-parliamentarian-67-years-makes-history-update
  3. Keep your biased and nonsensical opinion to yourself. What do your pakistani punjabi youth do other then becoming qualified swindlers, thugs, sex groomers and finally jail bait. :lol2:
  4. NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday blamed Pakistan for trying to revive Sikh militancy and said that the neighbouring country's spy agency ISI continued to train misguided youth from the community to carry out terror attacks not only in Punjab but also in other parts of the country. Revealing the ISI'sgameplan, Union home minister SushilkumarShinde said, "Sikh youth based and settled in Europe and US are also being motivated in this regard". He said, "Sikh youth are being trained in ISI facilities in Pakistan. Interdictions and interrogations have revealed use of jailed cadres, unemployed youth, criminals and smugglers by Pak-based Sikh terror groups for facilitating terror attacks". Though the home minister did not give any specific example, he referred to interrogation reports of arrested militants and seizures of a large quantity of arms, ammunition and explosives, including RDX, which found its way into Punjab through the western borders, to substantiate his point. Addressing the chief ministers here at a conference on internal security, Shinde said the state police had recovered "significant quantity of RDX" during operations in Rajasthan and Punjab in the last one year. The home minister also underlined in his speech that the country continued to face serious challenges of its internal security scenario from "jehadi terrorists". He said, "India has long and porous border with Bangladesh and Nepal, which have been used by Pak-based jehadi groups to ex-filtrate terrorists out of India for training in Pakistan and induction of terrorists\hardware\finance into India for actions. "Jehadi tanzeems in Pakistan with affiliation to LeT, JeM and Indian Mujahideen (IM) have set up channels for transfer of funds from Pakistan to India via Gulf and Nepal, besides using Western Union money transfer and hawala channel. Moreover, ex-SIMI cadres and similar militant elements based in Gulf have also been observed collecting money for causing destruction in India". Referring to Jammu & Kashmir, Shinde said though the situation in the state was improved and terrorist strength in the Valley had declined, the cross border terrorist infrastructure remained intact. He said though there were reports that the number of terror training camps in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK) had come down from 42 to 21, it needed to be verified. Stating that the terror groups were taking advantage of communication channels which have become more sophisticated over a period of time, the home minister said, "From mobile phones, terrorists today have moved on to use of satellite phones, Thuraya sets, use of spoofed IDs and coded transactions over e-mail and chat sessions, besides VoIP to communicate across the border". http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-blames-Pakistan-for-trying-to-revive-Sikh-militancy/articleshow/20440449.cms?
  5. In a historic milestone for the long persecuted Sikh community in Pakistan, a Sikh representative took oath as member of the Punjab Provincial Assembly, for the first time since the Partition. Nominated on a seat reserved for minorities by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), Sardar Ramesh Singh Arora became the first Sikh Member of Provincial Assembly (MPA) in Punjab Province, in its first session, The Express Tribune reported. “As the first Sikh to have taken oath as a Parliamentarian in the Punjab Assembly since 1947, I am absolutely delighted to be part of this August house. The position certainly comes with a lot of responsibility. I will not only be representing my own community but all the minorities in the Province,” the report quoted him as saying. Arora said minorities in Pakistan would benefit from the PML-N’s drive to eliminate load shedding and to revive an economy mired in debt. He said his nomination to the Assembly came with great responsibility and that he would work for the rehabilitation of historical and religious sites of the Sikhs. PML-N is headed by incoming Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif’s brother Shahbaz will become Punjab’s Chief Minister for the third timewhen he takes oath on June 6. https://www.niticentral.com/2013/06/02/pakistan%E2%80%99s-first-sikh-parliamentarian-since-partition-takes-oath-84810.html
  6. AMRITSAR: Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) has sought slapping of murder charges against the officials of Kot Lakhpat jail, Pakistan, who 'are responsible for the death of an Indian prisoner Chamel Singh'. Chamel Singh was mercilessly beaten up by the staff of Kot Lakhpat jail on January 15 following which he succumbed to his injuries. Taking note of the incident SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar on Friday said that the staff of Kot Lakhpat jail had failed to maintain the dignity of human values and killed a person who was under their security. "Instead of keeping him safe in jail, they killed him" he said. The SGPC president also expressed grave concern over kidnapping of a Sikh businessman Ranbir Singh in Quaidabad in Peshawar. "Pakistan government should ensure safety of minority communities" Makkar said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indian-prisoners-death-SGPC-seeks-action-against-staff-of-Kot-Lakhpat-jail/articleshow/18187017.cms
  7. I was sent by RAW but no one recognised me when I was in jail: Daniel IBNLive.com | Updated May 03, 2013 at 03:56pm IST Daniel hails from Gurdaspur district's Dadwain village and was apprehended by Pakistani rangers in 1993. He was jailed for over four years. He now pulls a rickshaw. He alleges that the Indian authorities who sent him across the border refused to recognise him and help him out once he was caught. According to him, he met many other Indians incarcerated in jail in Pakistan on espionage charges. Daniel, Indian who served jail term in Pakistan, joined IBNLive readers for an interaction on the life of an Indian in a Pakistani jail. Q. Once you came back, Did our politicians ans authority help you? Asked by: Mahesh V I was sent by RAW but no one recognised me when I was in jail: Daniel Daniel, Indian who served jail term in Pak, joined IBNLive readers for an interaction on his life in Pak jail. A. No they did not help me at all. Instead I was interrogated and tortured by policemen. They instead levied a case on me saying I willingly went to Pak. Q. How was you treated in Jain and by Pakistan Authority? Asked by: Mahesh V A. I was in Sialkot jail. I was severely tortured and severely beaten. Electric shocks and all. Q. When you approached Indian diplomats in Pakistan, what was the response you got? And who was helpful to understand? Asked by: Mahesh V A. For three days the consulate in Rawalpindi listened to me but nothing after this. Q. Do you feel like coming back to a country which fails to recognize you? This nation cares more about terrorists than our own citizen. Was there any effort taken by our holy politicians to save you? Asked by: Ravish A. I was sent by RAW. It's better not to ask me this question. I run my family by plying a rickshaw. My family did not get any help from the govt while I was in jail. Q. Why did the Indians send you across the border? Asked by: airbuss A. I was sent to spy on a few things. I can't say more. Q. Daniel, do you think there is an "Eye for an eye" philosophy in the jails in India and Pakistan, or both Sarbjit/Sanaullah were exceptional cases. Was there, ever, an incident of rough treatment meted out to you as an Indian prisoner in Pakistan? Asked by: Mansoor A. Yes, it is not of any use. But we should not expect anything from the govt. Q. does the fact that both Indian and Pakistani men are prisoners there,not enough to bind both nationals on humanitarian and emotional ground? Asked by: pallavi sakhare A. In an ideal world it should be. But the agencies on both sides of the border are heartless and just push forward the agenda of the state. Till common people take matters into their hands, nothing will change. Q. It became my perception with time that Indian govt particularly the Congress has no nationalistic agenda. Especially when it comes to nationalism (Indian people in Pakistani, Sri Lankan jail, national integrity) or the Indian Hindus conditions in domestic as well as internationally fora. They have only one focus Muslim vote-bank to be in power and nothing else. Asked by: Satya A. I can't say much about this. I am not an educated man. But during the BJP govt too, many young people were pushed in across the border. Some of them were caught and the Indian govt did not recognise them. It is not about parties but I may be wrong. Q. Because you was jailed in Pakistan, are you getting different treatment when you was looking for a job in India? Asked by: Mahesh V A. No one would give you a job, if you have been in jail. And if you were in a Pakistani jail, you get what I mean. No one would touch you even with a barge pole. Q. Why not talk about RAW? You were only doing a job...you better not pull rickshaw for life and rot for a good job you did? Why not struggle for compensation? Asked by: Irfan Sayed A. I don't know much about them. I was approached by them and did as I was told. I am happy to be alive. Compensation is a day dream for poor people like us. Q. Would you do it again? For the country? After all that's happened. Asked by: Shabbir A. Never, never again. All that talk about country is very rosy from the outside. Once you face the music, you will know. It's very murky. Q. How is life in Jail for an Indian in Pakistan Asked by: Alok A. Horrible but you have to tough it out as one has to come back to his family. It is just that hope that keeps you going.
  8. If as I see here: A quote from Kute Di Pooch Singh Gill: "The combined impact of these initiatives was that, by January 1989, the terrorists had been pushed into a thin strip along the Pakistan border, with over 70 per cent of their strikes restricted to just three of the twelve districts in Punjab – Gurdaspur, Amritsar and Ferozepur." Then it is not too far to assume that 70%+ of all deaths were also in those three districts. With a current day population touching about 7 million it is not too far to assume about half that 20-30 years ago. 3-400k dead; Being from the Doab, my mom for example can tell me about stuff that happened, she doesn't talk about it a lot, but it seems that no-one directly from my nuclear family was killed. I am wondering how different it is for those three districts, as in if I assume that over 1/3rd of the male youth for example (below 30-35? above 12??) were killed is thaat about accurate. The reason is, I'm trying to see how much of India's strategy is literally butchering everyone and if there's any order to it. They talk about 4 point plans, and in the end they did kill many of the mukhis of the jathe but how much of that is luck. Seeing this man's interview (former BSF officer) it points to just a butchering, but then why is it only Punjab's insurgency that was 'quelled'. Is it due to us cutting down the jungles, so therefore not having cover of those like in the NE (possibility). Or what? I understand I can be 90% sure, but would rather have more voices to hear and yea.. Pretty much that's it.
  9. I wanted to bring this to the sangats attention about a great facebook page showing the old historical gurdwaras in pakistan that are in very bad shape and need renovation. They are working to preserve these gurdwaras. Hope people will check out the beautiful pictures and support them Waheguru. Save the Historical Gurdwaras
  10. A Sikh businessman was kidnapped from Qaidabad, Peshawar, by unidentified armed men, Express Tribune reported on Wednesday. Rakbir Singh, a trader and shopkeeper in Peshawar’s Karkhano Market, was nabbed outside his house by armed men who overpowered him and shoved him into their car. Members of the Sikh community believe Rakbir has been kidnapped for ransom. “He goes to the temple to offer his prayers and then to his shop according to his daily routine,” said Sahib Singh, a former Sikh council member. “He was kidnapped while returning home.” Dozens of Sikhs staged a protest rally in front of the Chief Minister House on Wednesday to protest the kidnapping. The Banamarhi police have registered an FIR and started an investigation.
  11. Well I have seen alot of guys believing absolute myths about Pakistan... So , as probably the only person on this forum with Pakistani Muslim background , I would like to say few things... First thing Sikhs should understand is this ... Pakistan is the most "pro-Sikh" state in whole South Asia .... Sikhs in Pakistan have full rights..they work as doctors , policemen , engineers , pharmacists , technicians , politicians , singers , and even as Army officers ! The Islamic Republic of Pakistan treats Sikhs with outmost respect... Comparison between India and Pakistan when it comes to Sikhs : There are few things I'd like to point-out... Read and decide it for yourself...... 1-Pakistan recognize "Sikhism" as completely separate , independent , and unique religion...While India doesn't even recognize Sikhism. Sikhism is a mere 'branch of Hinduism' under Indian constitution... 2- In Pakistan , Sikhs have their own separate "marriage act" for decades now and they marry as "Sikh" on 'Sikh marriage forum' ...Whereas in India..Indian state didn't give Sikhs any marriage act..Sikhs married , throughout Indian history , on "Hindu marriage forums" ... 3- Pakistani state NEVER persecuted Sikhs or even touched their holy sites... Do I even need to mention what Indian state did in 1984? All these things are the reasons due to which Pakistani Sikhs consider themselves lucky that they left in Pakistani Punjab and didn't go to Indian Punjab... Listen it from the mouth of Sikhs themselves... See how Pakistani state care for its Sikh citizens..When terrorists killed two Sikhs (Others were saved by Pakistan Army!) ... Pakistan's deputy attorney general cleaned shoes of Sikhs in Amritsar , Golden Temple , Pakistan Gurdwaras etc ... "Pakistan's deputy attorney-general is to clean the shoes of thousands of devotees at India's Golden Temple in Amritsar in 'penance' for the beheading of a Sikh in Peshawar two years ago. After spending several hours polishing the shoes of worshippers at Gurdwara Sisganj in New Delhi on Monday, where he was part of a Pakistan Supreme Court Bar Association delegation, Muhammad Khurshid Khan left for Amritsar, home of the Golden Temple and the centre of the Sikh religion, to clean thousands more." http://www.telegraph...den-Temple.html Now compare that treatment with Indian state's treatment of Sikhs? In the light of all this... I request members to give your insight....What do you think about Pakistan? What do you think about Pakistani Punjab and Punjabi people residing in Pakistan? Why you dislike Pakistan? Why you like Pakistan? Lets have a friendly discussion here...May be we can learn alot from eachother and remove our misconceptions about eachother...Afterall , we are the sons of same land...same Punjab!
  12. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. I would just like to ask about the borders of a future Sikh nation if it where to exist. Many people include the whole of Himachal Pradesh as well as Haryana and parts of Rajasthan. Some maps even include Delhi. For those of you that support the formation of Khalistan, would you just like the current Indian state of Punjab to secede from India or would you like these other areas as well, despite them having a majority Hindu population. Also, from both a Sikh and Punjabi nationalist point of view, why is their no agitation to include West Punjab i.e. Pakistani Punjab into the proposed new nation. Would you not like to include Nankana Sahib in the new nation, as well as cities like Lahore which have a lot of historical significance. There is no doubt that human rights abuses take place in India, but should there not also be action or protests against Pakistan and their treatment of minorities. Or do you remain silent over the issue because you need the support of the Pakistani government for any activity against India. Surely you should campaign for the inclusion of the Sikhs in Pakistan and West Punjab in to a future state of Khalistan, yet I only see you protesting against the Indian government and I always see a lot of hatred for India. I am not trying to stir up hatred toward any group. I am just curious to why certain areas of India where there is not a Sikh majority are included in your proposed state, whereas areas of Pakistan where Sikhs exist but are in minority are not.
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