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Recently the Indian govt and its media wing spread stories in the news that a canadian sikh woman is working with ISIS to attack delhi, india. Now everyone and his dog knows that ISIS is a salafist muslim jihaadi terroorist org and Sikhs are non-muslims who have no link or business dealing with those rats. So question is why is Indian govt and its media trying to link canadian sikh females with ISIS why the defamation in the international and nationa indian media? The answer is simple they want to demonise Sikhs and paint Sikhs in an extremist light especially in canada. Therefore Sikhs need to work together and legally bring these Indian hindustani dogs to account by sueing them either they provide information the link between a so called sikh canadian woman and ISIS or pay out money to the Sikh kaum for spreading malicious anti-sikh propaganda.

https://m.facebook.com/Encounters-Collective-1548308148780353/ this page has got recordings of Malhi saying that Modi is good to talk to because he hasn't killed Sikhs and that going to Wembley party on his own was kirpa and for the Sikh prisoners. He tries to justify using his dastar as a photo object at the beck and call of his hindutva masters as well. Geezers sick in the head and represents us? Smh....

How do we stop these fascist type people? They really piss me off but I look in front of me and theres no one to punch in the face.

RSS will be supporting Sarbat Khalsa !

In light of the well known fact that the SGPC and Akaal Takht and other Takhts in India are under direct or indirect control of majority Hindu (RSS) government should a Sarbhat Khalsa be held on foreign soil or online (or a combination of both - but lets not get into debating how it would happen for now) in order to have an Akaal Takht in Exile out of the reaches of the India Govt? This would mean a Jathedar with the support of the panth and vidhvaans would be selected, the benefits of which would be massive. Some may argue this would be another divide in an already fragmented panth, but I am sure it could have a positive impact in challenging the current problem we have with a leadership that is subservient to RSS. Unless something as radical as this happens then I can't see anyway of wrestling power from those that are help bent on harming Sikhs. The RSS govt is more powerful then most understand and if we dont stem their surge into Punjab and remove them from our (Sikhs) 'top table' then the future for many generations of Sikhs in Punjab is bleak (drugs/apostacy/alcohol/foeticide/genocide etc). There is no doctrine for how or who can call a Sarbhat Khalsa, a call by the majority of the sangat and supported by a massive number of Gurmukhs/Vidvaans would out rank all that opose it. If a well funded/articulated case is made by the diaspora and propagated in Punjab now whilst there is an increasing unrest among the Sikh youth (as seen in the media these recent months) we could make a change? SO HOW ABOUT IT A SARBHAT KHALSA TO DEBATE ONE QUESTION... SHALL WE TAKE THE POWER OF THE AKAAL TAKHT BACK AND MOVE IT ABROAD UNTIL WE TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR HOME? A benti to anyone responding keep comments chardikala in nature, what I mean is if you don't agree make a better suggestion or keep criticism clean and fair - apart from a few trolls, we all want the same thing.

I have read at numerous posts on this forum where people still believe that RSS is just a self-created paranoia by overcautious sikhs. This thought may have been true in 1950s but today its is definitely not. I don't recall who said this - "The most dangerous enemy is the one who in garb of a friend", but this quote is holding so much relevance in today's diaspora. In the pictures below, I was surprised that the Jathedar of Akal Takhat Sahb is standing there and participated in coconut breaking ritual (a ritual of Hinduism) which finds no place in Gurmat philosophy. You won't be surprised to spot the new chairman of the Tahat Hazoor Sahb Board, a RSS man, Tara Singh is standing there too. I am pretty sure someone will definitely reply to this post saying where is it written that coconut breaking is not allowed in Sikhi. To them-> please read Sikh Rehat Maryada (of Akal Takhat Sahb's). Jathedar Nandgarh has also recently come out openly, revealing what happens behind the closed door meetings of the Jathdars of Takhats. The orders come directly from offices of RSS in Nagpur and Chandigarh and Jathedars just have to read over them. Can there be a lower level to which we can fall still? I have attached the news clip too. Note: I also believe he should have said all of this when he was in the office. Anyways, what is important is the crux of story- the negative influence of RSS.

JAMMU & KASHMIR (May 2, 2015)—Situation turned tense after the local Brahmin Sabha forcibly tried to take possession of Gurdwara Sahib Singh Sabha in Kishtwar, Kashmir. It has been learnt that some persons forbicly broke locks of some Gurdwara Sahib rooms and threatened family members of the sevadars. Belongings from some of the Gurdwara rooms were thrown out, along with religious articles. SSP of Kishtwar has promised to take swift action against the accused and promised to arrest them immediately. Local Sikhs have termed the act of sacrilege as cowardly and highly outrageous. A press conference was organized at the Press Club of Jammu yesterday in which Tarlochan Singh Wazir of State Gurdwara Board said that the act of violence at a historical Gurdwara needs to be dealt with seriousness. Wazir stated that yesterday, on April 30, 2015, some miscreants entered the Gurdwara after breaking locks and thrashed the Granthi. Wazir said that violent acts have continued against the Gurdwara and its sevadars since years. He informed that a case has already been filed against one Chander Kant who has in past tried to create trouble at the Gurdwara Sahib. He added that inaction in the case allowed the miscreants to enter the Gurdwara forcibly and throw out the belongings. The SGPC has condemned the incident and called for a strict action against the accused. History Guru Nanak Sahib stayed here at a garden of sidhas known as ‘Sidhian di Bagichi’ and had discourses with religious leaders. A Gurdwara Sahib was established here in 1916 later on by Bhai Sahib Sher Singh Kashmir. SIKH24

AMRITSAR SAHIB, Punjab (April 2, 2015)—Interference of Hindu right wing force RSS in matters of Sikhs and its institutions is growing day by day. Taking over the control of Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib Nanded, BJP has appointed its MLA Tara Singh as president of management board of the Takht irrespective of the fact that Tara Singh had not even filed nomination for this post. As per sources, Tara Singh is very close to the RSS. He was never a member of the board, and has never participated in religious activities ever at Takht Sahib. Due to close association with RSS, he is known to participate only in the political activities of BJP. Opposing the appointment, SGPC president Avtar Makkar said that Maharashtra government led by BJP is interfering in religious affairs of Sikhs. Akal Takht Sahib Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh had also said that Tara Singh is not eligible for the post and directed to appoint a person with religious nature. It is worth mentioning that building single Hindu nation in Indian union is sole motive of RSS for which it is active for around 100 years. To achieve its fascist goal, it is trying its best to incorporate Sikhs into Hindu religion. Following its unholy mission, the RSS is killing separate identity of Sikhs as well as that of other religious-ethnic groups in India. Source:Sikh24.Com

RSS Brahm Sanatan fanatics... hindu cowards only attack in numbers. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=725652734214220

Has RSS really infiltrated Sikhs? Professor Ghagga honoured by ex-RSS cadet- so called Ranjodh "Singh" from Mansa. Ranjodh is an ex-convict and a drug peddler. But anyone looking at him can mistakenly take him as a devout sikh. He has used derogatory language against Sikh gurus along with Professor Ghagga. These people are trying to create a Shia/Sunni like divide in Sikhs. Look at his old picture when he was with RSS. This is from his Whatsapp account where he has made fun of our gurus. One of his associates Harinder Singh "Hobby" has used extremely offensive and derogatory language against Sikh gurus and traditions. But he also looks like a good sikh. what to do?

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/128-christians-re-converted-to-sikhism-in-amritsar_1522707.html So RSS are converting Christians into Sikhi? So RSS are Hindu and they are taking Christians (use to be SIkhs) and converting them into Sikhs not Hindus? What is going on here? These RSS wont stop, what is their hidden agenda, do they just want to infiltrate Sikhs by putting in Sikhs they convert into the Panth to weaken us? I cant see any other reason or logic Phul Chuff Maff

http://www.sikh24.com/2014/12/25/akal-takht-tells-sant-samaj-to-focus-on-key-sikh-issues-instead-of-nanakshahi-calendar/#.VJ0w4k7pBJU AMRITSAR SAHIB, Punjab (December 25, 2014)Reacting to the keenness being shown by Sant Samaj and Sikh organizations for rejecting or implementing the Nanakshahi Calender, Sri Akal Takht Sahib Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh said they (Sant Samaj and other groups) should address the key issues such as release of Sikh political prisoners and the termination of section 25 (2) (b) instead of opposing or favouring the Nanakshahi Calender. In a statement issued here today, Giani Gurbachan Singh said that these organizations should take concrete measures to ensure the release of Sikh political prisoners languishing in various jails despite completion of their prison terms as well as termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian constitution which held Sikhs as a part of Hinduism. He explained that Sikhs had submitted lists of Sikh prisoners who deserve release to governments numerous times and the latter had made assurances but it has not taken any step in this direction. He concerned that any delay in taking action would be harmful. He said if the issue would not be resolved soon, it would be discussed in meeting of Panj Singh Sahiban slated for Jan 2.

The RSS parent body of the BJP have officially stated India is Hindu country and all other religions need to convert to Hindus. Even though they mention Muslims and Christians for conversion the RSS feel they have enough of a grip over Sikhs to call them Hindu already. Many of the cults and sanatan Nihangs, Sikh organisations under there control and follow the RSS orders. The bad thing is that only a small number of Sikhs have woken up to this serious threat. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/bhagwat-dares-oppn-says-if-dont-like-conversion-bring-law-against-it/ RSS leader Mohan Bhagwat justifies ghar wapsi, says will bring back our brothers who have lost their way RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat at a religious event in Haridwar on Friday. (PTI Photo)RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat at a religious event in Haridwar. (PTI Photo) Written by Madhuparna Das | Kolkata | Posted: December 21, 2014 4:40 am | Updated: December 21, 2014 10:21 am Justifying the ghar wapsi (reconversion) campaign of Sangh affiliates, RSS sarsanghchalak Mohan Bhagwat said Saturday that those opposed to religious conversion should agree to bring in a law against the practice. Without naming Islam or Christianity, he said we will bring back our brothers who have lost their way and belongings stolen by a thief. He also called India a Hindu Rashtra. Addressing a Virat Hindu Sammelan in Kolkata to mark the golden jubilee of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Bhagwat said: Hindus do not believe in conversion. If anyone fears that Hindus are resorting to conversion, let there be a legislation in Parliament to stop this practice. Hindus do not want to change anybody. If you do not want anybody to convert, then do not convert Hindus too. Referring to ghar wapsi, he said: Bhule bhatke jo bhai gaye hain, unko wapas layenge. Woh log apne aap nahin gaye, unko loot kar, lalach de kar le kar gaye Abhi chor pakda gaya hai. Mera maal chor ke paas hai. Aur yeh duniya jaanti hai. Mein apna maal wapas loonga, yeh kaunsi badi baat hai (We will bring back our brothers who have lost their way. They did not go on their own. They were robbed, tempted into leaving Now the thief has been caught and the world knows my belongings are with the thief. I will retrieve my belongings, so why is this such a big issue). Bhagwat told the gathering the world was helpless suffering because of crimes perpetrated from Pakistani soil and by Bangladeshi infiltrators. Only the Hindus, he said, could put a stop to these atrocities. We should not be scared. Why should we be afraid? We are not infiltrators. We are not foreigners. This is our motherland. This is our country. This is a Hindu Rashtra. We will not run away from our country. We will stay here and we will regain what was lost and stolen from us. We have to stay awake and stay active. The Hindu society is waking up, he said. Partition in 1947 led to the breaking up of Bharat and creation of Pakistan. But do not think it is permanent. In Pakistan, there is much misery and suffering now. There is some amount of peace and prosperity in Bharat. That is because the Hindus are here and they will emerge stronger to bring welfare to the whole world. If Hindus are not there, every community in the world will suffer, Bhagwat said, adding you will witness the change as Hindus rise. Earlier, Pravin Togadia of the VHP mounted an attack on Muslim infiltrators and said Hindus should practice Hinduism to survive the Islamic onslaught. Not one Hindu should be allowed to be converted. My appeal to leaders like Mulayamji (SPs Mulayam Singh Yadav) is that if they do not support conversion, continued

SAD aflutter as RSS spreads wings in Punjab Ruchika M Khanna Tribune News Service Chandigarh, November 11 The Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) is spreading its wings far and wide in Punjab. With the help of its 20-odd front organizations (that owe its origins to the RSS), the right wing organization is aggressively using social welfare as a medium to reach out to people in the state. Much to the chagrin of the ruling SAD and the Congress, which is sitting in Opposition for more than seven years now, the RSS is quietly acting as a foot soldier of its political wing - the BJP. With anti incumbency against the Akali Dal setting in and a divided Congress unable to project itself an alternative, the RSS is quietly steeping on to the political space that is falling vacant. RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat has visited the state four times this year. During his visits, Bhagwat held closed-door meetings with the head of Radha Soami Satsang Dera. Senior BJP leader L K Advani visited the head of Radha Soami Dera at Beas last month, allegedly as a follow up to the meeting between Bhagwat and Gurinder Singh - the Radha Soami Dera head. A senior RSS functionary said the meeting was held only to ensure that the two non-government organisations continued to work for communal harmony and social welfare. Sources say that RSS workers are partnering with smaller deras, especially in the Majha and Doaba regions of the state, and promoting social welfare schemes like post-matric scholarship scheme. This scheme has seen a 100 per cent jump in its enrolment for poor students. RSS leaders say that they are aggressively working in those areas of Punjab which have been worst affected by drug menace, and in the border districts of Punjab where unemployment is rampant. Sources say that the workers have got good response in the areas, which traditionally are Akali bastions. Though the RSS has always been active in Amritsar, Ludhiana, Gurdaspur, Ferozepur, Abohar and Fazilka, the sangh has also infiltrated into smaller towns and districts. The state is divided into six ‘vibhags’ and each ‘vibhag’ is divided into smaller units called ‘nagars’. Sources say the RSS presence in Mohali, Patiala, Fatehgarh Sahib, Barnala, Bathinda and Moga is relatively new and response in these areas was good. While Rashtriya Sikh Sangat – a front organisation of the RSS is being re-activated, the organization is also re-energising Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) - student wing and Bhartiya Mazdoor Sangh (labour wing). Social organizations that owe their allegiance to the RSS – Sewa Bharti and Bhartiya Vikas Parishad -- too, are stepping up their social activities to involve more people. As of now, the RSS has 630 shakhas (branches) spread across Punjab. Senior RSS functionaries, on condition of anonymity, told The Tribune that they are opening at least 200 more shakhas, mainly in rural and semi-urban areas. “Of late, there has been great enthusiasm among the people of the state to enroll with the RSS,” said a top leader in the state. He added that the social work done by the RSS and its subsidiaries in Punjab was highly appreciated by people, who were now actively engaged with the RSS through its shakhas and camps organized by it. THey said they had no political ambitions behind the social service. But the inroads being made by the RSS have raised the heckles of their political opponents as well as allies. 7 ‘vibhags’ in Punjab Patiala ‘vibhag, (Chandigarh, Mohali, Patiala, Ropar & Fatehgarh Sahib) Amritsar ‘vibhag’ (Gurdaspur, Batala, Amritsar) Bathinda ‘vibhag’ (Barnala, Bathinda and Mansa) Ludhiana ‘vibhag’ (Malerkotla, Ludhiana, Sangrur & Moga) Ferozepur ‘vibhag’ ( Abohar, Ferozepur, Fazilka) Jalandhar ‘vibhag’ ( Jalandhar rural, Jalandhar urban, Kapurthala & Nawanshahr) Pathankot ‘vibhag’ Saffron surge * RSS has 630 shakhas in Punjab. It plans to add 200 more. * RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat has visited Punjab four times this year. Had visited Mansa in May and Doraha in September. * The right wing organisation using social issues to reach out to people. * This will benefit BJP as it targets Mission 2017. RSS structure * Sangh Chalak - Braj Bhushan Bedi * Prant Karyavaha - Munishwar (also coordinates between BJP and RSS) * Sah Prant Karyavaha -- Amrit Sagar Jain * Sharirik Pramukh - Vinay * Boddhik Pramukh - Vijay Singh * Prant Pracharaks - Vishal and Kishore * Prant Sampark Pramukh - Ram Lal Gupta. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141112/main5.htm

The BJP/RSS have stepped up their attacks on the Badal Dal since coming to power with a landslide majority in May. They openly accuse the Badal Dal of being involved in the Drug trade and other criminal activities. BJP/RSS have used the Badal Dal to establish themselves in the Punjab and do not see much use for it unless it operates completely under their control. The Badal Dal have followed instructions on keeping the Sikhs subjugated , however they have got a grip on the money generated by the state and the Punjab BJP leaders want an equal share. In recent months the BJP/RSS have gone against the Sikhs; BJP involvement in riots against the Sikhs in UP and other states The foreign minister asked the Canadian Govt to take action against Sikhs No financial package for the Punjab No punishment of the 1984 attackers of Sikhs. Stepping up the torture of Sikh prisoners. The BJP say they want an equal share of seats in the Punjab or will drop the Badal Dal BJP praising anti Sikh cults such as Jhoota Sauda Establishment of anti Sikh cults in Punjab and taking a grip of Sikh institutions and organisation. The Punjab is so much in the grip of Brahmin rituals these days due to the vacuum of Sikh leadership that Panthic Sikhi is relegated to a minority. I hope even at this late stage the Sikhs can wake up and realise that the Indian political parties treat Sikhs the same.

The Hindu extremist organisation the RSS held a show of force in the historic town of the Sikhs Jaito last week whilst carrying firearms. They were escorted by the Punjab Police with the permission of Sant Samaj supported Badal Govt. You may notice it is illegal for Sikhs to do this in India , even unarmed Sikhs like Jaspal Singh are hunted down and shot even in peaceful demos.The RSS state that they are training with sophisticated weapons and even explosives. http://singhstation.net/2014/10/rss-cadets-brandish-guns-firearms-street-march-jaito/ RSS activities highly provocative: Cong Tribune News Service Chandigarh, October 8 Punjab Congress leaders have taken exception to the brandishing of firearms by RSS activists during a street march in Jaito. Former Finance Minister Laal Singh and MLAs Parminder Singh Pinki, Brahm Mahindra and Gurkirat Singh Kotli described the RSS activities as highly provocative. They leaders it was now becoming clear as to why RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat had been frequently visiting Punjab. They called upon the Chief Minister to explain why permission was given to the RSS to brandish weapons publicly, if such permission had been sought. In case no permission was obtained by the RSS, action should be taken against RSS cadets who publicly brandished arms, posing a threat to peace, they added

I found a popular desi chat room where hindustani filthy rat worshippers who are mostly UK and canadian hindu punjabi extremists are posing as Sikhs and abusing muslims and in turn posing as muslims to abuse Sikhs causing both sides to attack each others religions. Using the same tacits of the likes or RSS and other hindu terrorists groups but this time online trying to create trouble between 2 the two communities. What is the best way to expose and counter these people? Should we form online groups posing as hindu punjabi's and get people to abuse them to give hp's hindustani exxtremists a taste of their own medicine? Or should we use some other methods?

Whoever lives in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) in Ontario, Canada.... I CHALLENGE YOU to stand up and put an end to this pakhand which has destroyed so much of Sikh historical items in the past 100 years. It seems as though all of the negative cultural traits of indians come along with them to western countries, including this pakhand. If you were injured or had a disease, would you throw yourself in a fire? Even if you were beyond repair, would you throw yourself into a fire? Check this event happening very soon from now. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? http://akj.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8143&sid=e6b55ea88fe423479fd48cd07c1d301b http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,28353 Here are some comments from some sensible people: Even if out of 1,000,000 items there is one historical item...it is WORTH IT to stop this 'agan bhet' ceremony....because we cannot put any value on Sikh historical items. Sikh historical items are priceless and can never be re-created/replaced. Let us not just put an end to this in western countries. Let us put an end to this all over the world. Let us send out complaints to these so called 'leaders' who do these 'agan bhet' ceremonies. Let us send out complaints to SGPC and Akal Takhat Sahib which 'approves' of this. DO THEY HONESTLY EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THIS...... ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਪਰਵਾਨਿਤ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ, ਭਾਈ ਨਰਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਇਹ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਿਭਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਗੋਇੰਦਵਾਲ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਟੋਰਾਂਟੋ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ LET US EXAMINE THEIR SWEET WORDS SOME MORE: ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਪਰਵਾਨਿਤ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ ?????? ਇਹ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਿਭਾਉਣ ?????? WHAT SEVA? MORE LIKE DESTRUCTION...... What does it take to throw something into flames to be reduced to ashes? one second ignorance lack of knowledge lazyness many other pathetic traits and characteristics... What does it take to restore something and give it proper care? time patience knowledge interest passion love care many other virtuous traits and characteristics... CHECK OUT THIS FOLLOWING BOOK FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS ANTI-SIKH RITUAL.....CHAPTER 7...STARTING FROM PAGE 125...THE WRITER SEEMS TO POSITIVELY TALK ABOUT THIS RITUAL...HOWEVER..WHEN CRITICALLY ANALYZING IT....WE REALIZE THE REAL DAMAGE BEING DONE TO SIKH COMMUNITY WITH SWEET TALK AND GIVING SO MUCH POWER TO UN-VERIFIED PEOPLE. http://books.google.ca/books?id=HT8CAqlycW0C&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=goindval+sahib+agan+bhet&source=bl&ots=6r6OjPqTP_&sig=6ZPS9kANPz618xO-cUglBCvBMNY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cZ2-UYm-GMHVrgHs1IH4Ag&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=goindval%20sahib%20agan%20bhet&f=false This type of 'seva' should ONLY be done with utmost careful inspection and only done after approval of a team of historical experts and approval from Panj Piaarey and ONLY when absolutely necessary (eg. non-historical/non-unique item in very bad condition). However...for the past 25+ years, it has been going on very regularly all around the world and in major numbers at the famous 'Goindval Sahib' and around india......all without any credible supervision and without any true expertise. WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH WE HAVE LOST TO THIS PAKHAND...AND HOW MUCH IS BEING LOST AS I TYPE THIS... I leave you with the following pictures and a short article...something to ponder upon... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...A diamond in the rough... Satigur Meraa Sadaa Sadaa... Do you want this? Or this? ... "When Manohar Singh Marco found the Bir early 1960's" "State of the Bir in Pandit OM Parkash's house" "Torn Pages" "The key construed by Manohar Singh Marco to understand the writing style" "Drying of Pages" "SP Singh and Iqbal Kaur working on matching the broken pages together" "SP Singh working on matching" "After Drying" "Finally, the Anandpuri Bir - a bound Granth" "Detail of the animated handwriting" "The new binding" "Digitalization of the Anandpuri Bir"

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http://www.<banned>.com/?p=3818 These Missionary/Kala Afghana/Guru Granth Da Khalsa Panth people need to stop being so anti Hindu. They are so anti-hindu that they stretch things so far and bend over backwards so much that it's like a comedy show going on. They need to get a checkup on their mental health. Don't they know that milk represents many different things? Milk represents purity and cleanliness. Milk comes from cows, which are peaceful animals for the most part. Milk is viewed as a valuable product, especially in India where poverty is almost everywhere. Especially in the olden days, I'm pretty sure it wasn't available to everyone. Milk is a sign of royalty/special treatment. Milk is also used to bathe. Egyptian queens bathed in milk for example. Some woman do so to this day as well once in a while. Some woman wash their face with milk daily. etc, etc, etc. The Darbar Sahib floors are marble if I am not mistaken. Some people say use milk to clean marble, some say don't. Some say milk is acidic, some say it's not. Here is some quick links I pulled up: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg042321386750.html http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/c/cleaning-marble/ http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=34813 http://www.designsponge.com/2013/01/before-after-cleaning-and-restoring-marble.html http://chemistry.about.com/od/foodchemistryfaqs/a/Is-Milk-An-Acid-Or-A-Base.htm For people who claim to want to stay as far away as possible to Charitropakhiaan, I can understand from analyzing their mentality why they would want to stay away from it. Like come on guys... it's milk. Can't you think of anything else other than Shiv Ji's semen? They can't even logically think about milk. No wonder they can't even read Charitropakhiaan with a straight mind.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Jaipur/BJP-RSS-conducting-terror-training-camps-Shinde/Article1-995513.aspx BJP, RSS conducting 'terror training' camps: Shinde PTI Jaipur, January 20, 2013 First Published: 14:50 IST(20/1/2013) Last Updated: 18:56 IST(20/1/2013) Union home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde on Sunday accused BJP and RSS of conducting 'terror training' camps to spread saffron terrorism in the country. "Reports have come during investigation that BJP and RSS conduct terror training camps to spread terrorism...Bombs were planted related stories Congress defends Shinde on Hindu terror remark Sonia must apologise for Shinde's comments: BJP in Samjhauta express, Mecca Masjid and also a blast was carried out in Malegaon."We will have to think about it seriously and will have to remain alert," he said at the AICC meeting in Jaipur. As his remarks came under attack from BJP and RSS, Shinde later said, "This has come so many times in the papers...It is not a new thing that I have said on Sunday. "This is saffron terrorism that I have talked about. It is the same thing and nothing new. It has come in the media several times," the home minister said. To a question if it was Hindu terrorism or saffron terrorism, he said, "This is saffron terrorism (that) I have stated." Shinde said that infiltration from Pakistan, insurgency in the north east and Naxalism were the main challenges before the country. "Infiltration is from Pakistan, insurgency is in some states in the North East and Naxalism is another challenge. Environment is being created against peace but the department will do its complete work," he said. The home minister said a solution to Naxalism could through initiation of development in the affected areas. "Facilities will have to be provided to bring peace in Naxal-affected areas," he said. Shinde said that Congress is the only party which follows the fundamental principle of secularism and has given opportunities to several members from dalit, Scheduled Caste, Scheduled Tribes and minority communities to rise. "Our leader Sonia Gandhi gave me, a dalit, an opportunity to become Leader of the House in Lok Sabha and there are many names from SC, ST, OBC, minority communities who were made ministers and given other opportunities. "The communities have been adequately represented in the government," he said. The home minister underlined the importance of rise of regional parties and said that if any leader who parted ways with Congress in the past wanted to join again, it should be taken into consideration.

please also view this this article on adishakti.orgwhich shows that without referencing the rest of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani how Guru's words are taken out of context and words have diferent meanings to the Khalsa and Guru Gobind Singh Ji this article was originally published here with gurmukhi text and links - (the gurmukhi came out jumbled on the forum any ideas?) Here are some quotes from Nidar's Website www.<banned site filter activated> a well known preacher of Snatan Sikhi On Nidars website he likes to equate Mahakaal, Kaal and Akaal with Hindu misrepresentations. Even the designation 'Akal' was after all another designation of 'Shiva'. (Nidar Singh, ShastarVidiya, http://www.shastarvi...g/history14.jsp ) This is very similar to the arguments used by RSS and Arya Samajist Hindu's on their website like adishakti.orgsaying that Guru Gobind Singh ji worshipped Kalika Devi, because they have a different interpretation to the words that Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us. Further clarification is within the same scriptures they use and quote from. But if we ask Guru Gobind Singh Ji then what does he say.... In due time Brahma appeared in physical form; in due time Shiva incarnated; In due time Vishnu manifested himself; all this is the play of the Temporal Lord.383. The Temporal Lord, who created Shiva, the Yogi; who created Brahma, the Master of the Vedas; The Temporal Lord who fashioned the entire world; I salute the same Lord.384. The Temporal Lord, who created the whole world; who created gods, demons and yakshas; He is the only one form the beginning to the end; I consider Him only my Guru.385. (Kabeyo Bach Benti Chaupai, 2259, Sri Dasam Granth) how can they be Mahakaal or Akaal if they were subject to death(Kaal)? On this page of Nidars Website http://www.shastarvi...g/history18.jsp Nidar quotes from Bachitar Natak (100, Sri Dasam Granth) and claims that Guru Gobind Singh ji personified Mahakaal in the same manner as the Shivite worshippers did of Shiva Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh personified 'Mahakaal', in the same manner as the above mentioned Shivite warrior ascetics: "“In Mahakaal's hand gleams the great terrifying sword and when he walks his ankle bells jingle. He has four beautiful arms. [On his head] is a beautiful topknot. His club is of good reputation...." Nidar Singh (http://www.shastarvi...g/history18.jsp ) Yet if you go back to Bachittar Natak and read the next Stanza from the one which he quotes from says the following; The moon is bearning on his head, seeing which the god Shiva feels shy. (101, Sri Dasam Granth) So how can Nidar claim this preposterous notion that Guru is describing or personifying Shiva? If Guru Gobind Singh categorically states that Shiva felt ashamed by the Beauty of Akaal). And if you go a few stanzas back Guru Gobind Singh ji says it again. The rosary of heads glorified his neck, seeing which the god Shiva feels abashed. (98 Sri Dasam Granth) These are all from the section of the Bachittar natak called "SRI KAAL JI KI USTAT" (the Euology of the Great Death) which also says the following He hath effaced many and then made (created) others. He destroys the created ones and then creates after effacing. None could comprehend the working of Death (KAL). Many have experienced it and many will experience it.26. Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama. Many Muhammads had been on the earth. They were born and then died in their own times. 27. All the Prophets and saints of the past were conquered by Death (KAL), but none could conquer it (him). All the incarnations of Vishnu like Rama and Krishan were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him. 28. All the indras and Chandras (moons) who came into being were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him. All those Prophets, saints and hermits, who came into being, were all ultimately crushed under the grinder tooth of KAL.29. All the glorious kings like Mandhata were all bound down and thrown in the noose of KAL. Those who have remembered the Name of the Lord, have been saved, without coming under His refuge, millions are considered as having been killed by KAL.30. (Bachittar Natak, Sri Dasam Granth) But Nidar fails to make this known to the reader who is duped into thinking Guru Gobind Singh ji was actually describing Shiva by picking a few verses out of context. An interesting thing to note for others who want to be careful of mis-interpretation of words by Hindutva and arya samaj activists who seek to twist the message of Guru Gobind Singh ji and Dasam Granth In Chaupai Sahib Guru Gobind Singh ji clearly states..... In due time Brahma appeared in physical form; in due time Shiva incarnated; In due time Vishnu manifested himself; all this is the play of the Temporal Lord.383. The Temporal Lord, who created Shiva, the Yogi; who created Brahma, the Master of the Vedas; The Temporal Lord who fashioned the entire world; I salute the same Lord.384. The Temporal Lord, who created the whole world; who created gods, demons and yakshas; He is the only one form the beginning to the end; I consider Him only my Guru.385. (Kabeyo Bach Benti Chaupai, 2259, Sri Dasam Granth) Guru Gobind Singh Ji only saw the one who's avtar was one and only is the Guru he accepts, The Mahakaal above all. All other deities where subject to reincarnation and rebirth, as is evident from the same Guru Gobind Singh ji's writings that Nidar quotes from. There inumerous other parts of Dasam Granth that can also provide clarification on who Guru Gobind Singh Ji is and is not talking about.... Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death. (41, Sri Dasam Granth) how can the Devtey be desingated to Mahakaal or Akaal if they were subject to death(Kaal) But the Vedas, Shiva, Rudra and Brahma could not Know His mystery and the secret of His notions. (75, Sri Dasam Granth) Guru Gobind Singh Ji also clarifies his use of terms by saying The fool claims boastfully about the knowledge of His secrets, which even the Vedas do not know.391. The fool considers Him a stone, but the great fool does not know any secret; He calls Shiva "The Eternal Lord, "but he does not know the secret of the Formless Lord.392. (Kabeyo Bach Benti Chaupai, 2261, Sri Dasam Granth) Guru Gobind Singh ji clearly says they call Mahadev(who Hindus call shiva) the eternal lord yet they knothing of Nirankar. Other Hindutva fundamentalists also claim the following refers to Devi Mata. Kirpa Karee Hum par Jag mata, Granth Kara Pooran Sabh Rata The Mother of the world has been kind towards me and I have completed the book this auspicious night; (Kabeyo Bach Benti Chaupai, 2263, Sri Dasam Granth) But if we ask Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, the clarification is in this shabad. qUM myrw ipqw qUMhY myrw mwqw ] thoo maeraa pithaa thoo(n)hai maeraa maathaa || You are my Father, and You are my Mother. qUM myrw bMDpu qUM myrw BRwqw ] thoo maeraa ba(n)dhhap thoo maeraa bhraathaa || You are my Relative, and You are my Brother. qUM myrw rwKw sBnI QweI qw Bau kyhw kwVw jIau ]1] thoo maeraa raakhaa sabhanee thhaaee thaa bho kaehaa kaarraa jeeo ||1|| You are my Protector everywhere; why should I feel any fear or anxiety? ||1|| qumrI ik®pw qy quDu pCwxw ] thumaree kirapaa thae thudhh pashhaanaa || By Your Grace, I recognize You. qUM myrI Et qUMhY myrw mwxw ] thoo maeree outt thoo(n)hai maeraa maanaa || You are my Shelter, and You are my Honor. quJ ibnu dUjw Avru n koeI sBu qyrw Kylu AKwVw jIau ]2] thujh bin dhoojaa avar n koee sabh thaeraa khael akhaarraa jeeo ||2|| Without You, there is no other; the entire Universe is the Arena of Your Play. ||2|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Maajh on Pannaa 103 ) Guru Gobind Singh ji adds in Jaap Sahib... NAMO PARAM GYATA, NAMO LOK MATA ॥52॥ Salutation to Thee O Supreme Knower Lord! Salutation to Thee O Universal Mother Lord! ||52|| (Jaap Sahib, Sri Dasam Granth) I would urge everyone to start reading Bachittar Natak for themselves so they can get a clear and honest view of Guru Gobind Singh Jis message, you will see that he bowed to no one but Akaal Purkh Vaheguru, and whoever reads this bani will also feel this profoundly and deeply - the timeless nature of vaheguru and the futile nature of all who are subject to his Natak (play). I leave you with this last passage from Bachittar Natak from the Paviter Mukhvak of Satguru Gobind Singh ji. RASAAVAL STANZA All the Ramas who incarnated, ultimately passed away. All the Krishnas, who had incarnated, have all passed away.70. All the gods who will come into being in future, they will all ultimately expire. Alll the Buddhas, who came into being, expired ultimately.71. All the god-kings, who came into being, ultimately passed away. All the demon-kings, who came into being, they were all destroyed by KAL.72. The incarnation Narsingh was also killed by KAL. The incarnation with grinder teeth (i.e. Boar) was killed by mighty KAL.73. Vaman, the Brahmin incarnation, was killed by KAL. The Fish incarnation of spatious mouth, was entrapped by KAL.74. All those who had come into being, they were all conquered by KAL. Those who will go under His Refuge, they will all be saved by him.75. (105, Bachittar Natak, Sri Dasam Granth) FURTHER REFERENCE > Giani Sant Singh Maskeen If you listen to katha of Panth Rattan Giani Sant Singh Maskeen, he explains in sikhi what Kaal, Akaal and Mahakaal terms mean in Sikhi. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Clarifies the meaning of Mahakaal Kalika Aradhi mahakaalsantjarnail Audio File Guru Sahib and Kalika and Bhagauti Article on Sikhsearch

I did this write up of sorts on why Ram Chandar, is not the Guru Sahibaan's Ram: RAM CHANDAR. WHO IS HE? AND HOW DO SIKHS VIEW HIM? Over time Right-Wing Hindu politicians have come up with the argument that the name of Ram is mentioned more than any other name in Gurbani. No other Sikh source supports this 'hyped-up' claim, nor have these right-wing extremists provided any proof except books published by them or the teachings of self-styled theologians. This has obviously lead to a heated debate as to who Ram is according to Gurbani. Guru Sahiban have u sed the name of Ram in Gurbani to mean Waheguru. Out of the many shabads which prove this claim we chose the following from Gurbani, to prove our point: ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥ Kabīr rām kahan mėh bẖeḏ hai ṯā mėh ek bicẖār. Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider. ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥ So▫ī rām sabẖai kahėh so▫ī ka▫uṯakhār. ||190|| Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190|| ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥ Kabīr rāmai rām kaho kahibe māhi bibek. Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction. ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥ Ėk anekėh mil ga▫i▫ā ek samānā ek. ||191|| One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191|| Bhagat Kabir here has made a distinction for himself as to who the real Ram is. One Ram, the son of Dasrath and incarnation of Vishnu is contained only within himself. The other Ram, Bhagat Kabir's Ram is all pervading and everywhere. He is the one who Guru Sahiban termed as Akal Purakh, Waheguru Hari etc. Guru Nanak Dev Ji states: ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਰਵਾਲ ॥ ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕਹਾਣੀਆ ਕੇਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਬੀਚਾਰ ॥ "The Formless alone, Nanak, is without fear, many are Ramas as the dust of His Feet, many Krishnas. Many are their stories and many are the Vedas." (SGGS - Ang 464). There are many Ramas who are the dust of his feet. The 'his' in this question again is Akal Purakh. Guru Gobind Singh Ji is often stated as having worshipped Ram, due to him writing Ram Avtar. It is stated that Guru Sahib deviated from the path of the following Gurus by writing Ram avtar but lets see what the Guru has to say about Ram, in Ram avtar: "Ever since I have grasped Your feet, I have not thought of anybody else. I do not accept the doctrines enunciated by various faiths, believing in Ram, Rahim, Puranas and Qoran. The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas mention different concepts but I do not subscribe to any of them. O God, the Sword-bearer (of justice)! With Your Grace, all that has been uttered by me has been done under Your command. Dohra! I have shunned every door and have entered Your door Please hold my arm and keep my honour, Gobind is ever Your slave." (Raam Avtar, Guru Gobind Singh). Ram Chander was born of a woman. His mother's name was Kaushalya. Puranic sources relate that Dasrath, Ram's father, had no son but three wives. He performed a yajna to have his wife beget sons. Kaushalya gave birth to Ram. Ram cannot be God if we look at Gurmat because he was born of a woman: ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥ ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥ "Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3|| He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation. The God of Nanak is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||4||1||" (SGGS - Ang 1136). Many other aspects of Ram are rejected outright by Gurbani. Ram is often accepted as being an incarnation of Vishnu. The seventh to be exact. Gurbani says: ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਕਹਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਊ ਤੂ ਕਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਸਿਰੇ ਤੈ ਅਗਨਤ ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਮੋਹੁ ਭਯਾ ਮਨ ਮਦ ਕਾ ॥ "O Formless Lord God, You are eternally intact; no one can say how You came into being. You created countless Brahmas and Vishnus; their minds were intoxicated with emotional attachment." (Ang 1403). Countless Vishnus who themselves are attached to creation but not the creator. Whats the point of worshipping one when there are countless more? Guru Gobind Singh Ji clearly states: ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥ “I do not seek blessings or hail Ganesh before I start any task. (In old times, often Ganesh would be hailed before starting any task). Nor do I worship Krishan or Vishnu etc. I have heard of them but I do not recognise any of them. I am engrossed in the loving devotion of my Lord (Waheguru) alone.” (DG – P. 733, Krishan Avtar. How could the Gurus have worshipped Rama when they did not believe in his source Vishnu? Our Gurus were the one and same jot from beginning till end they would not have contradicted their actions in the predecessor's form. How hard is all this for Hindus to understand? They can understand flying apes, ten-headed demi-gods but not a soul being the same yet with different bodies. A Sikh is required by the Guru to place his faith only in the Guru: :ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ Saṯgur merā saḏā saḏā nā āvai na jā▫e. My True Guru, forever and ever, does not come and go. ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੧੩॥ Oh abẖināsī purakẖ hai sabẖ mėh rahi▫ā samā▫e. ||13|| He is the Imperishable Creator Lord; He is permeating and pervading among all. ||13|| What else does Gurbani say about the devte? A:ਰਾਮੁ ਗਇਓ ਰਾਵਨੁ ਗਇਓ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਵਾਰੁ ॥ रामु गइओ रावनु गइओ जा कउ बहु परवारु ॥ Rām ga▫i▫o rāvan ga▫i▫o jā ka▫o baho parvār. Raam Chand passed away, as did Raawan, even though he had lots of relatives. and ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਿਤ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥ ब्रहम महेसर बिसन सचीपित अंत फसे जम फासि परैंगे ॥ Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death.(Sri Dasam Granth Sahib) Even Ram Chand passed away, yet God never takes birth nor dies according to Gurmat; so Ram cannot be God. ਏਕ ਸਿਵ ਭਏ ਏਕ ਗਏ ਏਕ ਫੇਰ ਭਏ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਕੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਭੀ ਅਨੇਕ ਹੈਂ ॥ Ek Siv Bhae Ek Gae Ek Pher Bhae, Raamchanndra Krishan Ke Avtaar Bhee Anek Hain|| एक सिव भए एक गए एक फेर भए रामचंद्र क्रिसन के अवतार भी अनेक हैं ॥ There was one Shiva, who passed away and another one came into being; there are many incarnations of Ramchandra and Krishna. 66810 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੪੮ ਪੰ. The Guru's Ram on the other hand is Waheguru Akal Purakh as proved by Bhagat Kabir Ji's Shabad. Of course many Hindus argue that thats only Bhagat Kabir Ji's thinking. But we have to remember that the Gurus, Bhagats, Bhatts, Gursikhs in reality all had one Guru and that was God, Waheguru. It is him they tell man to worship not any son of Dasrath who couldn't protect even his own wife! Now let us look at some facts about Ram Chandar, is he really an embodiment of Gurmat? 1.) Bali, the king of Kishkindha was at war with Raksash named Mayavi. Bali pursued Mayavi deep into a cave in the earth. Before going he asked his brother, Sugriva to wait outside the cave. Sugriva however had other plans. He returned to Kishkindha and declared himself King. As prime minister he appointed Hanuman, the simian demi-God. In this grab of power he derived Angad, the son of Bali of kingship. When Bali came out of the cave, after killing his nemesis he did not find Sugriva there. After coming to know of what had transpired he raised an army and drove Sugriva out of Kishkindha. The two brothers were now openly at war and had become enemies. Knowing fully well the deception of Sugriva and his greed Ram Chandar (the so-called king of Dharma) still decided to help him against forth righteous Bali. In one of the battles fought between the two brothers, Ram 'Ji' hid behind a tree and through deception gave orders to kill Bali. After Bali's death he appointed Sugriva as the king of Kishkindha. The kingship belonged to the next of kin Angad, yet Angad was forgotten in all this. Sugriva had already proven his colours once so could not have been appointed as the boy's supervisor, yet what did Ram 'Ji' do though? He helped in the demise of an innocent king and that too through deception. It was due to this incident that Sugriva offered to help Ram 'Ji' in attacking Ravan. Many anti-Panthic forces have the cheek to compare this incident with Guru Gobind Singh Ji's helping of Bahadur Shah. One fact straight away destroys this comparision, and that fact is that Bahadur Shah was the rightful heir to Aurangzeb's throne. Secondly he had himself gone to Guru Gobind Singh Ji as a supplicant. Guru Sahib helped him, irregardless of his (Bahadur Shah's father's misdeeds). Nor did Guru Ji fear the mughals, who at this stage had given up pursuing him and after Aurangzeb's fanatic policies were beginning to crumble. The very fact that Bahadur Shah had to ask Guru Ji for assistance in helping crush rebellion against him by various members of his families shows the weakness of the mughals. Furthermore the mughal records at the time can prove this. 2.) According to the 'Balmik Sarg' (6-115) after the deaths of Ravan, and his son Inderjeet; Hanuman brought Seeta to Ram 'Ji'. Great king Ram 'Ji' however couldn't care less at this stage. taaM tu paarshve sthitaaM prahvaaM raamaH saMprekShye maithiliim | hR^idayaantargataM bhaavaM vyaahartumupachakrame || 6-115-1 1. samprekShya= seeing; taam maithiliim= that Seetha; sthitaam= who stood; paarshve= at his vicinity; prahvaam= bowing low; raamaH= Rama; upachakrame= began; vyaahartum= to tell; bhaavam= his feeling; hR^idayaantargatam= hidden in his heart (as follows). Seeing that Seetha, who stood at his vicinity bowing low, Rama began to tell his feeling hidden in his heart (as follows): eShaasi nirjitaa bhadre shatruM jitvaa raNaajire | pauruShaadyadanuShTheyaM mayaitadupapaaditam || 6-115-2 2. bhadre= my dear lady!; eShaa= you; asi= are; nirjitaa= won back (by me); jitvaa= after conquering; shatrum= the enemy; raNaajire= in the battle-field; tat yat= that which; anuShTheyam= is to be done; pauruShaat= through human effort; upapaaditam= has been accomplished; mayaa= by me. "You are won back by me, after conquering the enemy in the battle-field, my dear lady! That which is to be done through human effort, has been accomplished by me." gato.asmyantamamarShasya dharShaNaa saMpramaarjitaa | avamaanashcha shatrashcha yugapannihatau mayaa || 6-115-3 3. gataH asmi= I have come to; antam= the end; amarShasya= of my indignation; dharShaNaa= and my outrage; sampramaarjitaa= has been completely requited; shatrushcha= and the enemy; anumaanashcha= as well as the contempt; nihatau= have been wiped out; yugavat= all at once; mayaa= by me. "I have come to the end of my indignation and my outrage has been completely requited as also the contempt against the enemy have been wiped out, all at once, by me." adya me pauruShaM dR^iShTamadya me saphalaH shramaH | adya tiirNapratijJNo.ahaM prabhavaamyadya chaatmanaH || 6-115-4 4. adya= now; me= my; pauruSham= manly strength; dR^iShTam= has been seen (by all); adya= today; me= my; shramaH= toil; saphalaH= has borne fruit; adya= now; aham= I; tiirNa pratijJNaH= have fulfilled my promise; adya= today; prabhavaami= I am the master; aatmanaH= of myself. "Now, my manly strength has been seen by all. Today, my toil has borne fruit. Now, I have fulfilled my promise. Today, I am the master of myself." yaa tvaM virahitaa niitaa chalachittena rakShasaa | daivasaMpaadito doSho maanuSheNa mayaa jitaH || 6-115-5 5. yaa tvam= you, who; virahitaa= became deserted from me; niitaa= was taken away; chalachittena rakShasaa= by a ficle-minded demon; doShaH= the wrong; daivasampaaditaH= brought about by the destiny jitaH= has been corrected; mayaa= by me; maanuSheNa= a human being. "The wrong done to you, when you were deserted from me, in that you were taken away by a fickle-minded demon, which was ordained by the destiny, has been corrected by me as a human being." saMpraaptamavamaanaM yastejasaa na pramaarjati | kastasya pauruSheNaartho mahataapyalpachetasaH || 6-115-6 6. kaH arthaH= what is the use; pauruSheNa= of a prowess; tasya mahataapi alpachetasH= of a weak-minded man, even if it is mighty; yaH na pramaarjati= who does not wipe out; sampraaptam avamaanam= the insult fallen to his lot; tejasaa= by means of his energy? "What is the use of a prowess, however great, of that weak-minded man who does not wipe out, by his energy, the insult fallen to his lot?" laN^ghunaM samudrasya laN^kaayaashchaapi mardanam | saphalaM tasya cha shlaaghyamadya karma hanuumataH || 6-115-7 7. shlaaghya= the praise-worthy; karma= act; tasya hanuumataH= of that Hanuma; laN^ghanam= (namely) the crossing; samudrasya= of the ocean; mardanam cha= and the destroying; laN^kaayaaH= of Lanka; the destroying; laNKaayaaH= of Lanka; adya= today; saphalam= has borne fruit. "The praise-worthy act of Hanuma in the form of crossing of the ocean and the destroying of Lanka, has borne fruit today." yuddhe vikramatashchaiva hitaM mantrayatastathaa | sugriivasya sasainyasya saphalo.adya parishramaH || 6-115-8 8. parishramaH= the endeavour; sugriivasya= of Sugreeva; sa sainyashcha= together with his army; vikramataH= for his attack; yuddhe= in the battle; tathaa= and; mantrayataH= his counsel; hitam= of a good advice; saphalah= is fruitful; adya= today. "The endeavour of Sugreeva, who exhibited his prowess on the battle-field with his army and tendered a good advice, is fruitful today." vibhiiSaNasya cha tathaa saphalo.adya parishramaH | viguNaM bhraataraM tvaktvaa yo maaM svayamupasthitaH || 6-115-9 9. tathaa= furthermore; parishramashcha= the exertion; vibhiiShaNashcha= of Vibhishana; yaH= who; tyaktvaa= after abandoning; bhraataram= his brother; viguNam= who was void of good qualities; svayam= andpersonall; upasthitaH= reached; maam= me; saphalaH= is fruitful; adya= today. "Furthermore, the exertion of Vibhishana, who after deserting his brother who was void of good qualities, sought my presence, is fruitful today. ityevaM vadataH shrutvaa siitaa raamasya tadvachaH | mR^igiivotphullanayanaa babhuuvaashrupariplutaa || 6-115-10 10. shrutvaa= hearing; tat= those; vachaH= words; vadataH= spoken; tiyevam= thus; raamasya= by Rama; siitaa= Seetha; utphullanayanaa= her eyes wide open; mR^igiiva= like those of a female-deer; babhuuva was; ashrupariplutaa= filled with tears. Hearing those words spoken thus by Rama, Seetha with her eyes wide open like those of a female-deer, was bathed in tears. pashyatastaaM tu raamasya samiipe hR^idayapriyaam | janavaadabhayaadraajJNo babhuuva hR^idayaM dvidhaa || 6-115-11 11. hR^idayam= the heart; raajJNaH raamasya= of King Rama; pashyataH= as he saw; taam= Seetha (hR^idaya priyaam= the beloved of his heart); samiipe= near him; babhuuva dvidha= was torn; janavaada bhayaat= for fear of the talk of the public. The heart of King Rama, as he saw Seetha, (the beloved of his heart) near him, was torn for fear of public scandal. siitaamutpalapatraakShiiM niilakuJNchitamuurdhajaam | avadadvai varaarohaaM madhye vaanararakShasaam || 6-115-12 12. madhye= in the midst; vaanara raakShasaam= of monkeys and demons; avadat vai= Rama spoke; siitaam= to Seetha; utpala patraakShiim= whose eyes resembled the petals of a lotus; niila kuN^jitu muurdhajaam= hair, dark in hue as also curled; vanaarohaam= and hips, excellent. In the midst of monkeys and demons, Rama spoke (as follows) to Seetha, whose eyes resembled the petals of a lotus, who wore dark curly hair and was endowed with fine hips. yatkartavyaM manuShyeNa dharSaNaaM pratimaarjataa | tatkR^itaM raavaNaM hatvaa mayedaM maanakaaN^kkShiNaa || 6-115-13 13. mayaa= by me; maanakaaN^kShiNaa= wanting for an honour; tat idam= this particular act; yat= which; kartavyam= ought to be done; manuShyeNa= by a man; kR^itam= has been done; hatvaa= in killing; raavaNam= Ravana; pratimaarjitaa= and thus wiping away; dharShaNaam= the insult. "I, wanting for an honour, have done this particular act, which ought to be done by a man, in killing Ravana and thus wiping away the insult meted out to me." nirjitaa jiivalokasya tapasaa bhaavitaatmanaa | agastyena duraadharShaa muninaa dakShiNeva dik || 6-115-14 14. nirjitaa= (you have been) won by me; bhaavitaatmanaa= whose mind stands purified; tapasaa= by asceticism; dakShiNaa dik iva= as the southern quarter; duraadharShaa= which was difficult to be approached; jiivalokasya= by the world of mortals; (was conquered by) agastyena= by the Sage Agastya. "You have been won by me, whose mind stands purified by asceticism as the southern quarter, which was difficult to be approached by the world of mortals, was conquered by the Sage Agastya." viditashchaastu bhadraM te yo.ayaM raNaparishramaH | sutiirNaH suhR^idaaM viiryaanna tvadarthaM mayaa kR^itaH || 6-115-15 rakShataa tu mayaa vR^ittamapavaadam cha sarvataH | prakhyaatasyaatmavaMshasya nyaN^gaM cha parimaarjataa || 6-115-16 15-16. viditaH astu= let it be known (to you); ayam yuddhaparishramaH= that this endeavour in the shape of war; sutiirNaH= which has been successfully carried through; viiryaat= due to the strength; suhR^idaam= of my friends; na kR^itaH= was not undertakne; tvadartham= for your sake; te bhadram astu= let there be happiness to you!; mayaa= (this was done) by me; rakShataa= in order to keep up; vR^itam= my good conduct; parimaarjitaa= and wipe off; apavaadam cha= the evil-speaking; sarvataH= from all sides; nyaNgam= as well as the insinuation; prakhyaatasya aatmavamshasya= on my own illustrious dynasty. "Let it be known to you that this endeavor in the shape of war, which has been successful carried through, due to the strength of my friends was not undertaken for your sake. Let there be prosperity to you! This was done by me in order to keep up my good conduct and to wipe off the evil-speaking from all sides as well as the insinuation on my own illustrious dynasty." praaptachaaritrasaMdeha mama pratimukhe sthitaa | diipo netraaturasyeva pratikuulaasi me dR^iDham || 6-115-17 17. praapta chaaritra sandehaa= (You) with a suspicion arisen on your character; sthitaa= standing; pratimukhe= in front of; mama= me; dR^iDham pratikuulaa api= are extremely disagreeable; me= to me; diipaH iva= even as a light; netraaturasya= to one, who is suffering from a poor eye-sight. "You, with a suspicion arisen on your character, standing in front of me, are extremely disagreeable to me, even as a light to one, who is suffering from a poor eye-sight." tadgachchha tvaanujaane.adya yatheShTaM janakaatmaje | etaa dasha disho bhadre kaaryamasti na me tvayaa || 6-115-18 18. janakaatmaje= O Seetha!; tat= that is why; anujaane= I am permitting; tvaa= you; adya= now; gachchha= go; yatheShTam= wherever you like; tetaaH dasha dishaH= to any of these ten directions; naasti= there is no; kaaryam= work to be done; me= to me; tvayaa= by you; bhadre= my dear lady! "O Seetha! That is why, I am permitting you now. Go wherever you like. All these ten directions are open to you, my dear lady! There is no work to be done to me, by you." kaH pumaaMstu kule jaatah striyaM paragR^ihoShitaam | tejasvii punaraadadyaat suhR^illekhyena chetasaa || 6-115-19 19. kaH tejasvii pumaan= which noble man; jaataH= born; kule= in an illustrious race; aadadyaat= will take; punaH= back; striyam= a woman; paragR^ihoShitaam= who lived in another's abode; suhR^illekhyena chetasaa= with an eager mind? "Which noble man, born in an illustrious race, will take back a woman who lived in another's abode, with an eager mind?" raavaNaaN^kaparikliShTaaM dR^iShTaaM duShTena chakShuShaa | kathaM tvaaM punaraadadyaaM kulaM vyapadishan mahat || 6-115-20 20. vyapadishan= while mentioning about; mahat kulam= my great lineage; katham= how; aadadyaam= can I accept; punaH= again; tvaam= you; raavaNaaN^ka parikliShTaan= who were harassed in Ravana's lap while being borne away by him) dR^iShTaam= and who were seen (by him) duShTena chakShuShaa= with evil looks? "While mentioning greatly about my lineage, how can I accept again, you who were harassed in Ravana's lap (while being borne away by him) and who were seen (by him) with evil looks?" tadarthaM nirjitaa me tvaM yashaH pratyaahR^itaM mayaa | naasth me tvayyabhiShvaN^go yatheShTaM gamyataamitaH || 6-115-21 21. tvam nirjitaa= you were won; me= by me; tadartham= for that end (viz. retrieval of my lost honour); yashaH= the honour; pratyaahR^itam= has been restored; mayaa= by me; me= for me; na asti= there is no; abhiShvaN^gaH= intense attachment; tvayi= in you; gamyataam= you may go; yatheShTam= wherever you like; itaH= from here. "You were won by me with that end in view (viz. the retrieval of my lost honour). The honour has been restored by me. For me, there is no intense attachment in you. You may go wherever you like from here." Seeta's reply was one of sorrow and supplication. She begged Ram 'Ji' to let her prove her innocence. Hence an agni pariksha, or test of fire was decided upon. Agni,^ the God of fire appeared and himself told Ram 'Ji' Seeta was innocent. Agni commanded Ram 'Ji' to take her back. But more suffering was still in store for Seeta. Ram 'Ji' back in Ayodhya became king, yet he did not treat Seeta like his wife or queen and tongues started to wage. Especially when Seeta became pregnant. The court jester reported this to Ram 'Ji' and Ram 'Ji' ordered brother Lakshman to take Seeta to the Ganges and leave her there alone and friendless. Lakshman completed the task left up to him and a heavily pregnant woman was left to the mercy of nature. Yet there is one even above the Hindu Gods* who smiled upon her, and soon his devotee Balmik found her and took her in. In time Seeta gave birth to two boys, Luv and Khush who became deadly archers like their fickle-minded father. Even Ram 'Ji' had heard of Balmik and invited him to a Yajna. Alongwith Balmik went the two boys. At Ayodhya they sang songs about their mother and Ram 'Ji' asked to their background. They told him they were the sons of a woman who was banished to the forest by an unworthy and weak minded husband, on hearing this Ram ‘Ji’ realised that these boys were talking about none other than him. After revealing to the duo who he really was he asked Seeta to come back to Ayodhya in an assembly of saints and prove her innocence. Seeta presented herself and gave testimony saying, she had never thought about any other man than Ram. Even in her dreams. But Seeta was not ready to forgive Ram Ji herself. She said that let the earth swallow her, and it is said that the earth opened and she fell in the fissure. Clearly she had had enough of a fickle-minded and suspicious husband. According to Gurmat a woman is pure and equal to man in all respects.** Hence her opinion should be asked on all matters. The Gurus did not definitely worship such a figure who was so stone-hearted that he left his wife at the mercy of the elements. Ram ‘Ji’ would definitely have taken the seven vows of marriage (according to Hindu tradition) in the presence of fire which bound him to fidelity and life-long companionship. Yet he broke this vow, another sign of non-Gurmat as a Gurmukh is one who does not break his word.*** 3.) The description of Ram ‘Ji’s’ lifestyle is one totally rejected by Gurmat. According to Balmik Ji (Read Uttra Khand) Ram 'Ji'‘used to watch Apasaras (beautiful women) dancing and enjoyed liquor of the finest quality. Ram ‘Ji’s’ drinking bouts lasted well into the night and many beautiful women were brought for him from China and Manchuria. It is for this lavish lifestyle that Balmik Ji has rightly labelled Ram ‘Ji’ as a “prince among ladies’ men.” He was even a consumer of meat. All these actions do not tally with any figure of dharma (religion) or righteousness and is very far from the course of Gurmat. 4.) Over the course of time, it has been said many times that Ram Chander was a just man/demi-god. Let us look at the truth of this statement. A Brahman’s son died a premature death and a Shudra named Shambhuk was blamed. Shambhuk’s only sin was that he undertook religious rituals. The Brahmin conveyed his news and distress to Ram ‘Ji’ and asked for justice. According to Gurmat all the four varnas or castes have the right to seek God and perform religious rituals, ਬ੝ਰਹਮਨ ਬੈਸ ਸੂਦ ਅਰ੝ ਖ੝ਯ੝ਯਤ੝ਰੀ ਡੋਮ ਚੰਡਾਰ ਮਲੇਛ ਮਨ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਹੋਇ ਪ੝ਨੀਤ ਭਗਵੰਤ ਭਜਨ ਤੇ ਆਪ੝ ਤਾਰਿ ਤਾਰੇ ਕ੝ਲ ਦੋਇ ॥੧॥ Barahman bais sūḝ ar kẖa­yṯarī dom cẖandĝr malėcẖẖ man so­ė. Ho­ė punīṯ bẖagvanṯ bẖajan ṯė ĝp ṯĝr ṯĝrė kul ḝo­ė. ॥1॥ Whether he is a Brahmin, a Vaishya, a Soodra, or a Kh'shaatriya; whether he is a poet, an outcaste, or a filthy-minded person, he becomes pure, by meditating on the Lord God. He saves himself, and the families of both his parents. ॥1॥ (SGGS p858). According to Ram ‘Ji’ howver, this was not the case, he immediately reached the spot where Shambhuk was doing religious practices and without warning cut of his head. A great deed on the part of a God. And as if to justify this deed, many Brahmins say that the prematurely expired son came back to life after this deed of Ram ‘Ji’. Furthermore to give the episode more religious significance it is said that the other Gods hailed this act of Ram ‘Ji’. 5.) Ravan needed no bridge to come to the Indian mainland from Lanka, but Ram Ji needed a bridge to go to him. Furthermore such a vast bridge was completed in only 5 days? Who was more powerful? The bridgeless or the one who needed the bridge? All this in the face of Ram Ji having many flying chariots. It is mentioned in Uttra Khand: “Countless chariots were flying in the sky. Their shadows on earth looked like the multitudes of locusts.” All these chariots belonged to Ram Ji yet he still needed a bridge. 6.) Ravan having more than one head. We believe this is a symbolisation of Ravan’s strength and/or bhagti which has been wrongly misinterpreted. In all this let us conclude as to the imperfections of Ram ‘Ji’ in the terms of Gurmat: 1.) The slaying of innocent Bali. 2.) The mistreatment of Seeta. 3.) The slaying of an innocent Shudra. 4.) Ram ‘Ji’s’ birth. To sum up Ram ‘Ji’ was neither the perfect king or husband. Neither was he virtuous or loving towards all his subjects. He was bound by the mentality of stratification and lead an anti-Gurmat life. Guru-Sahibaan definitely do not mean this Ram when they say: ਬਿਲਾਵਲ੝ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਭੂਲੇ ਮਾਰਗ੝ ਜਿਨਹਿ ਬਤਾਇਆ ॥ ਝਸਾ ਗ੝ਰ੝ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਮਨਾ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ੝ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ ॥ ਬਸਿ ਰਹੇ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਗ੝ਰ ਚਰਨ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਾਮਿ ਕ੝ਰੋਧਿ ਲੋਭਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਮਨ੝ ਲੀਨਾ ॥ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟਿ ਮ੝ਕਤਿ ਗ੝ਰਿ ਕੀਨਾ ॥੨॥ ਦ੝ਖ ਸ੝ਖ ਕਰਤ ਜਨਮਿ ਫ੝ਨਿ ਮੂਆ ॥ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਗ੝ਰਿ ਆਸ੝ਰਮ੝ ਦੀਆ ॥੩॥ ਅਗਨਿ ਸਾਗਰ ਬੂਡਤ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਾਹ ਪਕਰਿ ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ॥੪॥੩॥੮॥ Bilaaval, Fifth Mehla: He places the one who strays back on the Path; such a Guru is found by great good fortune. ||1|| Meditate, contemplate the Name of the Lord, O mind. The Beloved Feet of the Guru abide within my heart. ||1||Pause|| The mind is engrossed in sexual desire, anger, greed and emotional attachment. Breaking my bonds, the Guru has liberated me. ||2|| Experiencing pain and pleasure, one is born, only to die again. The Lotus Feet of the Guru bring peace and shelter. ||3|| The world is drowning in the ocean of fire. O Nanak, holding me by the arm, the True Guru has saved me. ||4||3||8|| bilaaval mehalaa 5 || bhoolae maarag jinehi bathaaeiaa || aisaa gur vaddabhaagee paaeiaa ||1|| simar manaa raam naam chithaarae || bas rehae hiradhai gur charan piaarae ||1|| rehaao || kaam krodhh lobh mohi man leenaa || ba(n)dhhan kaatt mukath gur keenaa ||2|| dhukh sukh karath janam fun mooaa || charan kamal gur aasram dheeaa ||3|| agan saagar booddath sa(n)saaraa || naanak baah pakar sathigur nisathaaraa ||4||3||8|| Notes: ^ It seems Agni is more superior than Ram ‘Ji.’ * God. According to Gurbani Bhagat Balmik was a worshipper of Akal Purakh. In terms of Gurmat the Ramayan or tale of Ram ‘Ji’ is only a record by him not a scripture. ਬਾਲਮੀਕੁ ਸੁਪਚਾਰੋ ਤਰਿਓ ਬਧਿਕ ਤਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥ Baalameek Supachaaro Thariou Badhhik Tharae Bichaarae || बालमीकु सुपचारो तरिओ बधिक तरे बिचारे ॥ Baalmeek the outcaste was saved, and the poor hunter was saved as well. 42735 ਮਾਰੂ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੯੯ ਪੰ. ੫ Raag Maaroo Guru Arjan Dev (Maru Mahala 5, pg. 999). ** From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married. Woman becomes his friend; through woman, the future generations come. When his woman dies, he seeks another woman; to woman he is bound. So why call her bad? From her, kings are born. From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all. Guru Nanak, Raag Aasaa Mehal 1, Page 473. Bhai Gurdas pays further tributes to a woman in his vaar: “A woman is the favourite in her parental home loved dearly by her father and mother. In the home of her in-laws, she is the pillar of the family, the guarantee of its good fortune. Sharing in spiritual wisdom and enlightenment and with the noble qualities, with which (the Creator) has endowed her, a woman, the other half of man, escorts him to the door of liberation." (V.16). ***According to various rehatnamas Gurmukh is one who never goes back on his word. Notes: Many Hindus say that Ram is not a God but someone who embodies perfection. A virtuous and noble figure. However Ram’s legend does not hold true to this claim. Sikhs are forbidden from drinking and looking at a women (immorally) other than their own rightful spouse. Ram ‘Ji’ however was the opposite of this. It is said in the Balmik Ramayan, Sarg 125, Shalok 44: “He offered him (Hanuman) villages, 100 cows and 16 beautiful virgins.” Clearly a man who gave women away in this manner would not have stopped at the thought of treating them as sexual objects. In the Rehatnames it has been written: ‘Par nari ki sej, bhul supne hun na jayo' (never enjoy, even in dream, the bed of a woman other than your own wife) (A supplementary ordinance was issued that any one who did not observe any of the four directives, must be re- baptized, pay a fine, and promise not to offend any more; or he must be excommunicated from the Khalsa). Concerning intoxicants: ਸ੝ਆਦ ਲ੝ਭਤ ਇੰਦ੝ਰੀ ਰਸ ਪ੝ਰੇਰਿਓ ਮਦ ਰਸ ਲੈਤ ਬਿਕਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਭਾਗ ਸੰਤਨ ਸੰਗਾਨੇ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਹ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥੩॥ Su▫ĝḝ lubẖaṯ inḝrī ras pareri▫o maḝ ras laiṯ bikĝri▫o re. Karam bẖĝg sanṯan sangĝne kĝsat loh uḝẖĝri▫o re. (3) Those who are deluded by sensual pleasures, who are tempted by sexual delights and enjoy wine are corrupt. But those who, through destiny and good karma, join the Society of the Saints, float over the ocean, like iron attached to wood.(3) (SGGS p335). More shabads can be found. An immoral man such as Ram ‘Ji’ cannot be the Ram which the Guru’s taught about. He is clearly a mortal ingrossed in himself. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji fought for religion. He battled the Mughals four times and achieved a stunning victory over them in each battle. Through his battles he expounded the need of weapons for a religion under persecution. Guru Gobind Singh Ji also fought 14 battles in the same spirit against Hindu and muslim fanatics. Ram ‘Ji’ only fought a battle for his own personal slight. Nor did he leave any Granth or teachings as his legacy. Clearly he is not a religious figure. Although it is agreed Balmik composed original Ramayana it is today a matter of debate as to the verses prevalent in the epic. Originally thought to be 24,000, today it consists of 40,000. Hindu extremists have no explanation to this. Many historians believe that Balmik Ji borrowed Ramayana from the Buddhist Dasrath Jatka and changed the storyline. The Buddhist version states that Sita was the sister of Ram 'Ji.' Hence he committed incest by marrying her. Mahatma Gandhi never condemned caste-ism, he only condemned untouchability as a physical act. Ayodhya is described as a city with sky scrapers and infrastructure embedded with gems. Archaeologists are yet to find all this. Ram Chandar is not found in the Vedas. Now I want to do one on how Guru Gobind Singh Ji is not an incarnation of Krishna and how Krishna differs from Gurmat. Can anyone provide me with info that is shabads from Gurbani and Dasam Granth to start me off please?

How would Gurmat refute the story of prahlad? I know it's mentioned in Bani but how is it viewed in difference to Hinduism?