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  1. Last few days there's been alot of awareness for Jaggi in social media and even USA republicans senators have shown support. Its been 1000 days now. What do you think will happen to him? Had he not been 'British' no doubt he would have been killed by now. Either they will Kill him, rule it as 'suicide', or let him go if British gov put pressure on them ...if they let him go, wont do much damage to India, or bring 'Justice' to Sikhs, change anything etc..because we are powerless, dont have the Sikh Raaj and have little interests in West for them to care . We are not like Muslims, who have Gulf states Jews etc... What are your thoughts what will happen to him?
  2. Goodbye India Khalistan has support from China and Russia. Modi doesn’t know what to do. Khalistan embassy opening in Islamabad (our great neighbors). The Hindus have enslaved us for 70 years. They can’t trap us forever.
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    Khalistan revisited 2020

    Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh I recently had a few conversations around Khalistan with a few family members and friends, and very quickly realised the converstion gets heated very quickly. So ive made an anonymous account in an effort to get some feedback on some of my thoughts on the issue. In breif I belive the issue to be summarised as such; Sikh Panth has two options, each with its pros' and cons, namly; 1- Stay with India 2- Create an independant state. 1- Stay with India - Pros are we are part of large country that will be an economic power in the coming years. Sikhs are concidered part of the native religions by Hindus and we have been part of (modern) India since independance. 1- Stay with India - Cons, Certain Hindu ideologies want to merge the Sikh Panth into Hinduism and remove any notion of an independant Sikh state. moving Hindus into Punjab ( the only Sikh majority area in the world) to reduce the Sikh population to below 50% and making it a minority. (looking at the demoghraphic statistics the Sikh population is around 56-57% Sikh, and due to various reasons - both internal and external, the Sikh population is decreaing). By 2050 by most experts, punjab will no longer be a Sikh majority state. With this and a general loss of Sikh religious identity, there is a danger that the religion itself will become weaker and end up as one of those abscure, weak religions like Rastafarianism or Zoroastrianism. 2 - Create an independant state Pros - Lets Sikhs take matters in their own hands, having an independant state also means cementing a sikh identify in the birthplace of sikhism, which can act as an achor for Sikhs globally. 2- Create an independant state Cons - Common issues that people raise are : What will this state look like? will it include West Punjab and Lahore? will it include parts of Punjab that were divided into other states in India? What about the large Hindu population with Punjab? These are all valid points, A land is claimed for two primary reasons, Population or history, Sikh can't claim West Punjab or Lahore in Pakistan on both accounts, or the parts of Punjab divided into other Indian states, or maybe even parts of Punjab where the Hindus are a majority. So what are left with is a very small piece of land that is landlocked between 2 nuclear powers. Looking at how India reacted to a free hyderabad during partition and a free Kashmir, any serious attempts of a Free Khalistan will be met with huge resistance and Sikhs will need international allies if their new nation were to survive. Also a serious Khalistan would need a main united Sikh population that would be willing to go through all thee hardships of making a new nation, which we don't see. Added to this is we don't even have a theoretical constitution, economic, defense, political plans etc. So that leaves us in a doomed if you do and doomed if you don't scenario. I suggested a third option in my discussions which proved to be a little contraversial, and im hoping I could have a mature arguement here. Option 3 would be to make the Sikh majority state of Punjab, part of Pakistan. Ofcourse this will have Pros and Cons like the ones above, but I believe, although not ideal, it would be the best option. Pros: Joins Punjab to West Punjab and allows easy movement of Sikhs to not only to West Punjab but also Peshawar and Kashmir. Khalistan is no longer landlocked and can join the China CPEC project. Muslims dont accept Sikhism as part of Islam therefore there is no danger of the Sikh culture being incorporated into Islam. Sikhs can be part of a bigger country and have a an indentity. Cons. Pakistan may not accept this as it doesn't bring them much benefit apart from slapping India. The India state will concider this as treason and may send military forces to stop this from happening. Even if this does happen, what guarentees are there that Sikh wont be mistreated in Pakistan. What would a Sikh state under an Islamic republic look like? Sikhs will still be a minority. These are the only logical options Khalistan has, what are your thoughts?
  4. While doing some research came across this old article from 2006 in indian outlook magazine below. interesting...I wonder how many of these lot were part of covert black cat indian/punjab government terrorist gangs in 80s/90s punjab. And how many were recruited as part of India's military R&AW's super secret "the third agency" murdering innocent civilians and also actively taking part in the Sikh genocides. The rabbit hole of deep rooted conspiracy against Sikhs just gets more stranger and more enlightening. ====================== Dead Or Alive? Many 'dead' Punjab terrorists are still living. But most of them prefer to stay 'killed'. Chander Suta Dogra 13 March 2006 Tribhuvan Tiwari Call it a case of dead men walking. But terrorists who were believed to have given up their ghosts years ago are coming back to life in Punjab. While some have been ‘reborn’ as helpers of top police officers, many others are surfacing in their villages, embarrassing police officials who took credit for killing them. In fact, the Punjab police, widely credited with crushing the Khalistan movement, is virtually scurrying for cover as former terrorists are beginning to roam the countryside once more. ‘Dead’ terrorists are even challenging the police for declaring them so. Gurnam Singh of Bundala village, Ferozepur district, fled the Golden Temple days before Operation Bluestar. In 1994, he was declared killed in an encounter in Ropar district. However, as Gurnam told Outlook, "I was living all along under the assumed name of Surjit Singh at Mansandwala village in Majitha district. In 1998, the police learned of my true identity and arrested me." But not before the 1994 ‘killing’ had earned the Ropar police a reward and the 1998 arrest fetched promotions for a couple of Tarn Taran police officials. "The then DGP, P.C. Dogra, had promised that he would enquire into my ‘death’, but nothing has happened. If now the police say that my death was a mistake, why did people claim rewards for it?" he asks. More bizarre is the case of Harpreet Singh ‘Happy’ of the Babbar Khalsa. Not only was he ‘killed’ in an encounter in 1992, the police even handed over the ‘remains’ of his cremated body to his kin. His brother Dalbir Singh told Outlook: "In 1995, we came to know that he was alive and advised him to go to the court to challenge his ‘death’." Harpreet petitioned the Punjab and Haryana High Court with his claim of being alive and the court directed the police to enquire into his ‘killing’. But Harpreet is once again on the run. He fears police harassment, he told this correspondent from his place of hiding. Says his advocate Ranjan Lakhanpal: "The police have charged him in many false cases, including murder, to get back at him for exposing them." Driven to despair, Harpreet says he would rather be dead. He had compiled a book of his poems called After I Died. It’s one of the few things the family keeps to remember their son by. Narain Chaura, a Khalistani currently on bail, says, "The movement is dead. What do they have to fear?" Jagdish Singh Deeshe is another terrorist to have been ‘killed’ in 1993. A police officer was awarded a medal and the Rs 5 lakh award for the ‘effort’. In 2004, however, Jagdish fell into the hands of the police and was sent to jail. Twice condemned, he wrote to the President last October for action against the cop who claimed the medal and the cash prize for his ‘death’. That many terrorists believed to have been killed in encounters are living incognito inside and outside Punjab was something diehard Khalistanis, as also human rights organisations, have known for quite some time. What is less known is how the police themselves have illegally ‘helped’ a chosen few in their rehabilitation. Sukhwinder Singh ‘Sukhi’, once an ‘area commander’ of the Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF), was declared dead in police records. But he was found living in Jalandhar under a new name—Harjit Singh Kahlon. All the cases against him have been closed as ‘untraced’, and Sukhi enjoys the patronage of none other than the DGP, Punjab Police, S.S. Virk. As for his rehabilitation package, not only does it include a tours and travel business, but also accommodation in government complexes in Jalandhar and Ludhiana. This when former militants like him are still wanted in old cases of terrorism and have for several years remained proclaimed offenders. DGP Virk says that there are at least 300 such ‘rehabilitated’ terrorists who have been extended police help because of the assistance they have rendered in fighting terrorism. "They are the unsung heroes who deserve sympathy and gratitude," he says. So what if there is no legal provision to rehabilitate those wanted in serious crimes. Sarabjit Singh, who was DGP in Punjab police from 1999 to 2000, is livid. Talking to Outlook, he said, "The DGP can exercise considerable discretion while recruiting policemen and can relax physical criteria in deserving cases. But the discretion does not extend to waiving the police verification of candidates or recruiting them under false names. Clearly verification of these people was either not done or was fabricated." Besides, he points out, "How can you exonerate these people of the crimes committed by them? The unwritten rule was that terrorists-turned-police informers were to be dealt with leniently. Some, who were not killers, were taken into the police as spos. If their conduct was good, they were inducted as constables but certainly not without proper verification." Kewal Singh of the Khalistan Commando Force is a cop in Jalandhar now. His family doesn’t discuss his past. Outlook visited one such constable at House No. F25 in Chhoti Baradari in Jalandhar. Once the dreaded terrorist Kewal Singh of the KCF, he today wears the respectable veneer of constable Satnam Singh. His wife Manjit Kaur refused to answer any queries except to say that her husband is in the police, but his neighbours did say that Satnam and Sukhi were in touch with each other. Sukhi, in fact, was staying in the same colony till a couple of years ago. He has since shifted to a bigger house in a civilian locality. Other Sukhi associates have also had it good. Balkar Singh (Bittu) and Nimma John have been recruited into the police. Nimma now works in the intelligence wing of Ludhiana police and goes by the name of Nirmaljit Singh. Tinu Bajwa alias Satbir Singh is another former terrorist who once operated with Sukhi but who now lives in a police colony in Ludhiana. Ever since his cover was blown, Sukhi is being closely guarded by the police. When Outlook interviewed him in a Chandigarh market, he was accompanied by an armed escort. Asked about it, he says he and his ilk need protection from Khalistanis who may still be active. But, as Narain Singh Chaura, a Khalistani currently out on bail, says, "The movement is dead. All its protagonists are toothless. Daljit Bittu is the most dreaded of the former terrorists and Sukhi attended his wedding last year. So, what does he have to fear?" With dead terrorists tumbling out of police cupboards alive, the obvious question is: whose bodies were shown as dead? The Khalsa Action Committee (KAC), a human rights organisation, had compiled a list of 1,838 bodies illegally cremated by the Punjab police during the heyday of terrorism. And activists see a possible link between this list of the missing and the ‘dead’ terrorists. Meanwhile, for those stuck between death and life, the courts are the only recourse. They are seeking protection from the Punjab and Haryana High Court "as they might be eliminated by the police anytime to protect themselves". There would be no escaping this death.
  5. Sikh separatist leader condemns Kabul gurdwara attack, requests India to shelter minorities from Afghanistan ANI | Updated: Mar 28, 2020 15:15 ISTFounder of Dal Khalsa and UK-based Sikh separatist leader Jaswant Singh Thekedar (File photo) London [UK], Mar 28 (ANI): Jaswant Singh Thekedar, the founder of Dal Khalsa - a Sikh separatist organisation, has condemned the barbaric attack on a historic gurdwara in Kabul and requested the Indian government to shelter the remaining families of Sikhs and Hindus from Afghanistan. On Wednesday, armed terrorists killed 25 civilians in a terror attack on the 400-year-old Gurdwara in Shor Bazar in Kabul. The Islamic State affiliate in Afghanistan claimed responsibility for the attack, but many experts believe that Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), propagated it to oppose Ashraf Ghani, who was re-elected as the President of Afghanistan last month. In a video message, Singh said, "In Afghanistan, the way the Taliban carried out a barbaric attack on the Sikhs in Kabul's historic gurdwara and killed children and women who were praying for the people affected by coronavirus pandemic is highly condemnable." "The attackers are not religious people and they have no humanity. They have only one motive to call others as 'kafirs' or infidel and kill them. It is also preached in their holy book. This is an unforgettable incident for the Sikhs," he added. The separatist leader also stated that he has requested the Indian government to allow the remaining Sikhs and Hindus from Afghanistan to get them settled in India. "Our request has been accepted and after the COVID-19 crisis. Whoever will apply for a visa, the Indian government will facilitate them," he said. "We are thankful to the Indian authorities. We are also reaching out to the victims' families with all possible help. We are your brothers. The horrific attack has happened on the entire Sikh community. We all stand together with your pain," Singh added. The Sikh community in the war-torn country that once constituted a vibrant, well integrated and economically active part of the Afghan society has been persecuted and driven away, since the Taliban grabbed the reins in the 1990s. Their depletion has been so rapid that of the once close to a quarter of a million population, only a minuscule 1000-odd still remain in the country, barely eking out a livelihood amid extremely violent circumstances. (ANI)
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    Referendum 2020 ?

    What happened to Referendum 2020 ? We dont hear anything from pannu nowadays xD.
  7. Chillianwala – the forgotten British defeat Previous Next Previous Next Lt. Col Muhammad Arslan Qadeer (Rtd) 4:59 PM | January 08, 2020 Just 35 Kms south west of Kharian located on the eastern bank of the river Jehlum is the village of Chillianwala. Insignificant as it looks and unknown to most, this small village apparently is no different to the vast countryside surrounding the Kharian Garrison on either side of the GT road. Nevertheless, it is this singular and unique honor attached to the village of Chillianwala or Chillianwallah as it was spelled then, to have served as one of the biggest and bloodiest battlefields in the history of warfare. The Anglo-Sikh war of 1849 is perhaps one of the few battles which go down in history symbolizing the greatest military debacles the British had suffered. Right on the entrance to Chillianwala, on the western side of the road situated on a high ground is the gleaming gigantic grandeur of the obelisk made of red sand stone reverberating the great battle fought under the British Commander in Chief Lord Hugh Gough and Sardar Sher Singh Attariwala. On four sides of the structure are the inscriptions in English, Hindi, Urdu and Persian. Enclosed in the same premises are the five graves in perfect condition. Out of these, two in the foreground are thought to be of Brigadier John Pennycuick and Brigadier Alexander Pope. The gravestones however are regrettably missing. Just adjacent to it is another premises housing a giant metallic cross resting on a huge foundation. The main inscription reads: A Cruce Salus To record the names of the brave officers who fell in the great battle fought on the adjoining plain, 13 th January 1849. The Cross was placed beside their tombs by Richard 6 th Earl of Mayo Viceroy and Governor General 1871. On the western side of the base holding the cross is inscribed the long list of names of European officers killed in the battle. The first two in the list are Brig John Pennycuick Commander 5 th Brigade and Brig Alexander Pope Commander 2 nd Brigade of Cavalry, the two being the senior most officers in the British side among a total of 2357 casualties on 13 January 1849. On the eastern side are the infantry, Cavalry and artillery unitsthat took part in the battle. The battle of Chillianwala is unique as it marked the foundation of the Indian rebellion and led to the great uprising of the native armies then under the control of the East India Company. Chillianwala marks the biggest debacle wherein the British was defeated most decisively despite beingmilitarily and logistically overwhelmingly superior. In addition to military preponderance, the British also enjoyed towards their side the advantages of favourable terrain and weather as opposed to that in Afghanistan in the three Anglo afghan wars – the situational factors so fondly highlighted by British historians. As the story goes, it all started after the death of Ranjit Singh (1839) when his incompetent sons proved to be too weak to hold the throne. Karak Singh his first successor could not stick around for long and was deposed within four months. Another son Naunehal Singh though a very capable and competent person met a premature death after being crushed under a falling arch. He was succeeded by one of Ranjit Singh’s many illegitimate sons who was despised by the elders and nobles of the court and was soon removed from power. It was then Rani Jindan, one of the many wives of Ranjit Singh and a former dancing girl usurped power ruling in the name of Duleep Singh, her five year old son. Rani Jindan along with her hindu confidants was wary of the strength of the sikh army. She knowing well that her fragile marriage with power could fizzle out any time struck a deal with the British which envisaged destruction of the sikh military might and continuation of her rule. To materialize the plan the sikh army was incited and launched across the Sutlej river (The Anglo-Sikh boundary) to invade East India Company’s territory. As a result of treachery and poor leadership the sikh army was thus decisively defeated on the 10 th of February 1845 and the Sikh state came under the domination of the English East India Company. Henry Lawrence, who was the British Resident, became the de facto ruler overlooking the affairs of the state on behalf of the infant Duleep Singh. The Sikh army had been humiliated and felt that it had not been defeated militarily but merely betrayed by its leaders who wanted destruction of the Sikh army and acted treacherously. Later in April 1848, Diwan Mulraj, the Governor of Multan, which was the southern Punjab province of the Sikh State rebelled against the British regent and all the sikh troops at Multan joined him. To suppress this uprising the British organized three columns to march towards Multan; one under General Sher Singh, one under Lieutenant Edwards and one under Lieutenant Lake to recapture Multan. Consequently, in August 1848 a siege was laid against the city of Multan. On the 14th of September Sher Singh with all his troops crossed over to the rebel side. Sardar Sher Singh Attariwala as he was known, after consultation with Mulraj decided to move north of the Chenab River. His father Chattar Sigh the Governor of Hazara province who had already rebelled, joined him by occupying the strategic Attock Fort. Thus the British lost almost the whole area north of the Chenab River in addition to the Multan Fort. The Governor of East India Company had meanwhile issued orders for the invasion of Punjab and crush the sikh rising under the leadership of the overall Commander-in-Chief of India and also the East India Company’s private Bengal Army, General Sir Hugh Gough. On the 11th of January 1849, Gough resolved to attack Sher Singh’s position the centre of which rested a few miles west of Chillianwala. On the 12th of January while carrying out a reconnaissance, he discovered that the Sikh had swung forward. On discovery of the Sikh position so close to Chillianwala, Gough decided to attack the Sikh position on the next day that is 13 Jan 1849. The British Army was divided into two infantry Divisions (3 rd and 2 nd ) with a Cavalry Brigade each on outer flanks. The 3rd Division commanded by Brigadier General Colin Campbell formed the left or southern Division launched an enthusiastic but reckless attack based on a conventional bayonet charge. Though they did manage to reach the Sikh positions, however in the process the punishment inflicted was too severe. The Sikh counter attacked and the assailants withdrew in disorder towards Chillianwala. The leading Brigade Commander Brigadier Pennycuick and his son Lieutenant Alexander Pennycuick killed in the bloody engagement. The 2nd Infantry division commanded by Major General Sir Walter Gilbert formed the right (northern) division. Gilbert’s leading Brigades aptly supported by artillery successfully cleared all Sikh positions in front and drove the Sikhs close to the River Jehlum. While Gilbert was reorganizing for the final assault, he was suddenly counter attacked by the Sikhs in force from his rear. This happened due to the fact that his integral cavalry brigade which was commanded by Brigadier Pope and was responsible to guard the right (northern) flank and rear of Gilbert’s Division, completely overrun by the ferocious cavalry charge of the Sikhs leaving the right and rear flank vulnerable to counter attack. Sher Singh Attariwala immediately ordered a counter attack and Sikh infantry and cavalry located on the north-west hills immediately advanced down from the heights through the open gap created by the absence of Brigadier Pope’s cavalry and encircled Gilbert’s division from the rear followed by a ruthless massacre. The damage done at Chillianwala to the prestige of British might was enormous and played a major role in changing the attitude of native states towards British leading directly to the ‘Great Sepoy Rebellion’ (The war of independence 1857) in which the British almost lost their Indian Empire and the English East India Company whose private Bengal Army had fought Chillianwala lost India to the British Crown. https://nation.com.pk/08-Jan-2020/chillianwala-the-forgotten-british-defeat
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  9. Fear of Khalistan: India demands UK to disallow Social Justice meet News Desk - July 13, 2018 News Analysis | India has issued a demarche to the UK protesting a meeting convened in London by separatist organization Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) next month. The meeting has been called with an intention to shape the ‘Referendum 2020’ campaign in August that seeks a separate Khalistan and “independence of Punjab”. This wholesale slaughter, which led to the deaths of many Sikhs including entire families, has been widely condemned by human rights activists and has been designated as genocide by the California State Assembly. “We have taken up the matter with the UK government. We have also issued a demarche and we expect that the UK government does not allow any such group to use its country whose intention is to spread hate and which can affect our bilateral ties. “We have told them the intention of the event is the same,” the ministry of external affairs spokesperson said. He was responding to a question on what action has India taken to stop the meeting. Mr. Kumar said the ties of the Sikh community residing in the UK and other parts of the world are good with India. “Their ties, with the country they reside in, are also good. As far as the small groups are concerned, they are fringe elements and their job is to spread hate and communal disharmony,” he said. The SFJ has also offered to sponsor Punjabi youths as well as political activists to take part in the gathering next month. Read more: India fumes over pro-Khalistan posters in Pakistan The specter of a Sikh State in the form of Khalistan has scared New Delhi since India’s creation in 1947. The Khalistan Movement is a Sikh nationalist movement that wants to create an independent state for Sikh people, via peaceful struggle, inside the current North-Western Republic of India. An ignored aspect is that the concept of an independent Sikh state was originally floated by none other than Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru in the pre-independence period through a Sikh leader whose ear he had at that time. Although the term had popped up occasionally as a non-serious slogan by stray unrepresentative voices during the period leading up to the partition of the country into India and Pakistan, the concept was first given formal shape and the term Sikh Home Land first used by Master Tara Singh at Nehru’s behest as a “counterblast to Jinnah’s demand for an independent Muslim state, Pakistan. In other words, the demand for Khalistan was first raised to counter and kill the demand for Pakistan. Thus, ironically, Khalistan was invented to preserve India’s unity and integrity, and not to break it. It was used to frighten the British away from the idea of Pakistan. The Sikhs as a separate nation before British rule chose to join India by choice on promises made by Nehru. The Independence of India was not a joyful event for Sikhs and the scars of partition left Sikhs in a lot of discontentment with regard to their traditional lands being lost to Pakistan and truncated Eastern Punjab being dominated by a non-Punjabi speaking majority. These grievances were further aggravated by u turn of Nehru on promises made to the Sikh community. Further on, Indira Gandhi tried to prop up Deras of Nirankaris to counter the Sikh’s growing political clout. Nirankari Gurus desecrated the Sikh scriptures and were allowed to do it under police protection. In a major altercation, 8 Sikhs were murdered by Nirankaris while they were protesting the desecration. This was the incident that created a call for taking up arms against the Nirankaris, and thereof against the government if it protected them. The SFJ has also offered to sponsor Punjabi youths as well as political activists to take part in the gathering next month. Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale emerged as the voice of Sikhs, over-ruling the pro-State leaders like Longowal. Bhindrawale declared himself as the protector and arbiter of Sikh rights and acquired arms. A list of attacks attributed to Bhindranwale by the government but never substantiated by proof finally gave New Delhi the excuse to impose an emergency in October 1983. In June 1984, an event would happen that would ignite the flame for Khalistan. The assault on Darbar Sahib, popularly known as the Golden Temple (the holiest of Sikh temples) by the Indian military forces using tanks and artillery – known as Operation Blue Star was conducted in order to evict a group of armed pro-Khalistan activists from the temple – a claim that remains controversial to this day with prominent politicians like Subramanian Swamy asserting that this was a disinformation campaign to legitimize the attack. Read more: Khalistan factor defined Trudeau visit to India According to the Indian Army, 136 army personnel were killed and 249 injured. In all, 493 people in the complex were killed including Bhindranwale and 86 injured; the government report also mentions that 1600 people were unaccounted for, though it does not state what fraction were killed or injured. Unofficial figures go well into the thousands. Massive human right violations by Indian Army personnel took place like gunning down of prisoners and burning & looting of the Sikh Reference Library. Retaliation by some Sikhs came in the way of the assassination of Indira Gandhi by her bodyguards, Satwant Singh and Beant Singh. This act triggered the so-called anti-Sikh riots of 1984, which has been reported to be a planned pogrom by the Congress against the Sikhs. This wholesale slaughter, which led to the deaths of many Sikhs including entire families, has been widely condemned by human rights activists and has been designated as genocide by the California State Assembly. The army occupation of Punjab which followed Operation Blue Star was highly detrimental to the Sikhs. Mass human rights violations like torture, extrajudicial murders, rapes, illegal detentions, forced disappearances were inflicted upon the Sikh community by the Indian authorities to subdue resistance. Sikh groups resisted through an armed insurgency, which carried on for decades. India has been unable to suppress the demands of a separate Sikh state by both force and greed. In order to demean the struggle for Khalistan it often uses the foreign boogeyman as a tool for disinformation. https://www.globalvillagespace.com/fear-of-khalistan-india-demands-uk-to-disallow-social-justice-meet/
  10. http://www.sikh24.com/2018/06/29/op-ed-misogyny-in-the-khalistan-movement-view-of-a-kaur/#.WzXeLnrwbcs I was sent this article and found it to be very accurate and on the ball. However, as much as i agree with this article, i think this article could be expanded even further. yes the typical khalistani in the uk is male, amritdhari and lashes out when anyone opposes their views. trust me i used to be exact the same. but taking a step back since i have moved away from birmingham, i can see that by restricting the movement to black and white, is never take the movement forward. the movement never was restricted to just amritdharis, initially the Anandpur Sahib mata was for all Punjab. secondly, Sant ji being the great visionary that he was, actively sought those who had broken away from sikhi i.e the smugglers, gangsters etc. thirdly, even at the peak of the movement, a lot of the kharkoos were not just gursikhs, a lot were well known guys in their areas and that gave them the base to branch out to other like minded guys and had girls who helped them out. so if you compare that to now, in general the khalistanis are seen as extremists by most sikhs (which hurts me to say), while the so called khalistanis are quick to alienate anyone who doesnt agree with them and give themselves in front of their own circles the hype about how panthic they are. from sant ji to baba manochahal, brahma, budhsinghwala to mintoo, these had enough vision to realise that if you want the sangaarsh to move forward, then all types of sikhs need to be involved, whether that is gursikhs, non gursikhs, male/female, young/old or anything else.
  11. Please watch the video before you read my response: MY RESPONSE: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! As someone who actually supports the concept of an independent state run on Sikh values (Khalistan), I don’t think that songs like this do anything for positive the movement. We need less gang bang hood type of music videos, and we need actual change in terms of drug addiction, female infanticide, low birth rates, lack of education, etc, all of which will actually help the Sikh community, rather than a music video in which we are waving around guns and talking about assassinating people. They put videos of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, but don’t realize that whenever people came to him asking to join the movement, the first thing he said was to pick up a Gutka before the Gun, because the real power of Sikhi comes from Bani. Baba Bhindranwale also never boasted or showed off, and and neither did he all of a sudden start demanding a separate state, but he primarily focused on major issues in the panth, and used violence as a last resort. Our community has a habit of ignoring the important humanitarian and intellectual work of sevadaars and mainly focusing on the action part. People always talk about Baba Deep Singh as a physical warrior, but forget how he had an entire life of studying Bani that led up to his legendary Shaheedi. We all like to talk about Khalistan, yet forget the main issues affecting the panth like drug addiction, farmer debt, suicide, casteism, sexism, lack of education, low birthrates, etc. The Panth doesn't have the infrastructure to build or support another country, and before we start boasting about end goals, we should at least primarily focus on our main issues. A common response that I get is that this is just a music video, and that it at least does a good job of reminding people about important issues, however I would argue that there are better ways of talking about the issue of Sikh independence without waving around weapons and acting like a gang. The last thing the Panth, and the Khalsitani movement needs right now is even more bad publicity, and videos like this only reinforce the common held belief that the main advocates of Khalistan were from the west. PS: At least they didn’t put a communist flag in this video, it was a decent song tho. TL;DR: Can we focus more on Bani and less on wearing Kaali ? Thanks! Question for the Sangat: What do you guys think of this video?
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  13. Very strange that they would target and attack darbar sahib because of Sant Bhindranwale yet there was no crime at the time according to punjabi police he had alleged to have committed. A First Information Report (FIR) is a written document prepared by police organizations in countries like Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan when they receive information about the commission of a cognisable offence, or in Singapore when the police receives information about any criminal offence.
  14. PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ MY RESPONSE: MY RESPONSE: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! The image of Sikhs is being deliberately tarnished by the Indian governments influence. The government is mad that Sikhs are starting to gain power outside India and want to do everything they can to keep us under their control. This idea of "Sikh Extremism" is so overblown, there was a recent study in the UK which showed that Sikh Extremism isnt even a threat. The concept of "Khalistan", a nation run on Sikh values by Sikhs, isnt something thats "extreme", its a very reasonable thing for a community to work towards, and even the Guru himself told Sikhs to be sovereign and remain independent. Even if we go back to the 1800's in Maharaja Ranjit Singhs Sikh Kingdom, we can see a liberal and secular society were minorities are accepted, and there wasn't even any death penalty. This is just a small taste of what Sikhs can contribute to the world. On the topic of Jagmeet Singh, its obvious that the Indian government wants to destroy the reputation of this Amritdhari Sikh who is allways try to push to have the 1984 Sikh Genocide officially recognized. Jagmeet Singh represents the next generation of Sikh politicians, and is seen as a role model in the Sikh youth. The Indian government is throwing false accusations at him, denied his visa, spread a lot of fake news, and they are trying to do everything they can to stop a decent minded Sikh from becoming elected, just look at the drama they caused in India when the Canadian PM visited, or the non stop hit pieces and character assassinations they do. When it comes to Baba Jarnail Singh Bhinranwale, there is proof that the Indian government pre-planned the attack on Darbar Sahib, and were planing it even before Bhindranwale entered Akal Takth. During their genocide, they attacked multiple Gurdwara's. and even destroyed the Sikh Reference Library and stole so many precious Sikh texts, some even written by the Gurus themselves. To this day the government refuses to apologize for its instigation's on genocide, and still refuses to at least give back the stolen Sikh texts. Its so obvious the 1984 genocide was engineered to destroy Sikhi.
  15. After seeing this in the news: http://www.firstpost.com/india/who-is-jaspal-atwal-khalistani-militant-convicted-of-trying-to-kill-punjab-minister-roils-india-canada-relations-4362871.html I was wondering if anyone has got more information about the khalistan movement in canada during the 80s/90s. I know the likes of Parmar, Bagri, Para, Kooner, Khera and now Raman etc are all well known, but there were many other actions that took place in Canada. The likes of jasbir Singh Atwal, Jaspal Singh Atwal, Amarjit Singh Dhindsa and Sukhdial Singh Gill, I also remeber hearing about another group of youth who tried doing Rajiv Gandhi on his visit there? Can anyone share any info as these are kurbaniyah that were taken by the youth during a dark period in our history. Advance Warning: IF YOU GOT NOTHING PRODUCTIVE TO SAY THEN PLEASE DONT COMMENT ON THIS THREAD lol
  16. Justin Trudeau has been snubbed by the senior members of the Modi BJP Government. In fact this stretches to not just the Political Party but also to the Indian Media. No senior officials have welcomed or accompanied Trudeau during his tour of Gujarat or Agra. Amritsar on the other hand has shown great hospitality to Trudeau with the SGPC, Akali Dal and Congress senior Politicians all eagerly greeting him and his family to the city and Darbar Sahib. The treatments of Trudeau is all very public and the questions of ‘Khalistan’ and the Canadian stance on the subject is all over the news now. Even Captain Arminder couldn’t resist bringing up the subject in his brief meeting at the Taj hotel today. He also had the nerve to accuse Canadian Sikhs of financing militancy in Punjab and directing targeted assassinations. Modi is scheduled to meet Justin Trudeau during the week and we can all expect to hear the same sound bites. Will Sikhs in Canada be sacrificed for trade between the two countries and what will Justin Trudeau make of his trip to India?
  17. What are your thoughts on this recent article? https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/sikh-separatists-in-canada-drawing-ire-in-indian-media-before-trudeau-visit-1.3792889 Here are my thoughts: You know you are on the wrong side of history, when you attack freedom of speech. "Sikh relgious sucessionism"? LoL! Have they ever read Sikh history or Gurbani? Its common sense to those who are educated on Sikhi that the Sikh Panth is meant to be distinct from others and be independent. The Khalsa is literally meant to be a sovereign army and institution all in one, that only answer's to the Guru, that by itself isnt legal in another country, and its a pretty obvious hint that the Guru clearly taught Sikhs to be independent, but of course. But of course all this means nothing becuase most "Sikhs" in India dont support it, which must mean its a radical idea, even if its backed up by history and bani... Of course its going to come up coincidentally when a Prime Minister visits India, what better time to attack Sikhs. One could make the argument that the Indian government lets Hindu right wing national movements flourish, and there's actually proof that India got a German official to spy on Sikhs. Or what about that time that that. If you wanna talk about state sponsored terrorism. there's a lot of accusations India has gotten, but the problem with them is that they dont care. Read article: German official charged with spying on Sikhs for India : https://www.thelocal.de/20160920/german-official-charged-with-spying-on-sikhs-for-india India State Sponsored Terrorism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#India Amarinder Sengh is a meme at this point, he will say anything to tarnish the reputations of Sikhs abroad. He is salty that international Sikhs are making it, and that him and his third world government are losing their power over the Sikh community. At this point, who cares what that ladoo has to say? its obvious hes doing this as part of his personal smear campaign.
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    Dear Sangath, If Khalistan is established today, which legal system/framework we would actually implement? Or it will be developed from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharajj?
  19. http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/nia-takes-over-six-cases-with-khalistan-link/512930.html If you read the article above you can see tecently there have been few high profile killings of controversial figures in punjab. The Indian establishment member and freemason atheist secular punjabi dog captain amrinder singh blames Khalistani's for it. Yet all evidence points towards either RSS/Hindtva groups or Indian govt agents trying to defame the Khalistani's due to the 2020 Khalistan campaign. On the eve of the punjab elections where congress party defeated the corrupt dog badal and his anti-panthic akali party the congress party members did a small car bomb attack on some random place in punjab and blamed Khalistani's for it. No group claimed responsibility but suspicions in the panth are that Indian agents linked to congress party carried it out just as they had did similar antics in 1980s to attack the Sikh panth. The corrupt inhumane terrorist Indian establishment can't reach the Sikhs in the west from speaking out against the crimes it has committed against their community in India. They cant stop the freedom of expression and freedom of speech to fight for an independent nation state of Khalistan. They cant silence the right of self determination so they are trying to falsify evidence, trying to implicate Sikhs from aboard in killings that they themselves have carried out in false flag operations so that they can try to scare or dis-wade those who are against Indian terrorism and anti-sikh crimes that they are not unreachable and Indian govt terrorist agents can try to implicate them in order to silence them. So as we have seen Juggi the british born operator of the neverforget84 website was recently outrageously kidnapped by state agents and put in jail pending a trial. It has been the wish of the modi/indian govt to slience Sikhs aboard because they are a nuisance, causing a fuss about mass murder and vicitimisation of their minority community at the hands of the powerful. They know its embarrassing for them everytime they visit that Sikhs 4 justice protest against them and highlight their murderous regime and state terrorism against our community and other minorities.
  20. I would like to know some of your thoughts on Referendum 2020, I recently seen youtube videos of Protests spreading awareness and even a Protest in India, on their main website Indian Protesters are getting beaten up severely, and now it seems that Referendum 2020 is getting noticed as I seen Posters in my local gurdwara. I doubt that in 3 years Khalistan will be made, there would be many internal disputes to be resolved first, what would the Government be made up, the laws, the police and the military, the trade, the Punjab Water crisis, currency and etc. https://www.youtube.com/user/maansingh25 http://www.referendum2020.org/
  21. anyone watch these 2 documentaries that were made? if so whats your thoughts?
  22. Slightly late, but a massive salute to the massive kurbani of Dilavar Singh Jaisinghwala, alongside the other Singhs - Balwant Singh Rajoana, Jathedar Jagtar Singh Hawara, Lakhwinder Singh Lakha, Gurmeet Singh Engineer, Naseeb Singh and the others who did the massive seva of sending Beanthah Paapi to hell!!!
  23. WJKK WJKF! This topic I am starting is not to do nindiyah, to fight with anyone or cause anyone disrespect. I am starting this purely due to my personal interest in the Khalistan Movement. Our Shaheeds who spilt blood will be forever remembered, while our brothers in jails and the familes who lost everything are in constantly in my thoughts. Nowadays the movement kind of gets glorified in the UK, I see a lot of people wear tshirts of certain Shaheed Singhs for fashion, image, repping a jathebandi or just to give it large. Whilst we are all aware of certain individuals who were the enemy e.g. indira, rajiv, beantah, gobind ram, gill and co, I would like to know more about those who were classed as our 'own' and sold the movement out. A LOT of lessons need to be learnt here, while I think this needs to be equally be exposed as much as the stories of our brave Shaheed brothers. Like I said before, this topic is not to cause inter-jatha beef, or for people to argue, lets have a discussion where anyone who has been mentioned as a sell out, can be justified for being one too. The kind of people I am interested in are the roles of Wassan Singh Zaffarwal (who I personally think made a massive kurbani prior to surrendering), Mokham Singh, Jasbir Singh Rode, the role of Simranjeet Singh Mann who I know Baba Manochahal was not a fan of, also I would like to more about any Singhs who sold out on their own jatha which resulted in them becoming shaheed, people such as 'Vanchiri' who had Baba Manochahal done, the guy who had Deepa Herawala done etc. Lastly, would be informative to hear views about the ISYF and the stories of them being corrupted and using funds for personal gain. All replies will be appreciated and I look forward to learning more and not arguing with anyone. This topic is for educational purposes only so that we can learn from the mistakes of our elders. A lot of these stories will soon never come to light due to people that know the truth getting older etc. P.S Apologies I know this topic has been touched on before and I have read majority of those before.
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