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vjkkhalsavjkfateh guys

:wub: me and my brother about to enter Bob Wilsons funfair today at 9pm and what hapens, the two security guards ask us whats that (referring to my kirpan), i explain, he tells me to take it out and show it to him, which i do, still says, sorry guys (thinking im a young boy), cant let you in for security reasons. We turn away but im not feeling sorry bout no getting in jus thinking about in the future, my little one will be turned away from funfairsbecause of their sikhi

Lets make our own funfair before that happens for our kids before they face this saddening discrimination.

We were guna bring our cousins down to see it....oh welll cant now :wub:

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LONG LIVE SIKHI CAMPS....YEEEEAAAHHH!!!! :wub:

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grin.gif ps its the bob wilson funfair in norwood green, southall, main park on norwood road, chk it out frm the outside and see whathappens if you try and get in......will there be a success story

i dare you

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grin.gif ps its the bob wilson funfair in norwood green, southall, main park on norwood road, chk it out frm the outside and see whathappens if you try and get in......will there be a success story

i dare you

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did you actually take off your kirpan?

Next time, jst like keep kamarkassa and like tuck it in on the sly so they cnt see it!! Works evertime!!! lol

Considering its southall, ud think the idiots know what sikh is by now huna?!?!?!

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Gurfathe. Keep this in your phones and forward to other Sikhs too; should it ever be needed:

It is legal under the criminal justice act 1988 (section 139) & offensive weapons act 1996 (section 3 & 4) for a Sikh to carry a Kirpan for religious reasons. The criminal justice act 1988 safeguards the rights of the Sikh to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion. Also, under European law the Sikhs right to wear a Kirpan is protected by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights on freedom of religion.

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Fateh! I'll show it 2 u now: LEGALITY

In India (Legal)

Article 25 of the Indian Constitution deems the carrying of ‘kirpan’ to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion[1], thus legalizing the carrying of kirpan by Sikhs.

In the United Kingdom (Legal)

It is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139) and Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4) for a Sikh to carry a kirpan with a blade for religious reasons (other reasons allowed by the Act are cultural or work related reasons). The Criminal Justice Act 1988 safeguards the rights of the Sikhs to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion.

In the USA (Legal)

There have been several court cases in the USA relating to the legality of wearing a kirpan in public places. Courts in New York and Ohio have ruled that banning the wearing of a kirpan is unconstitutional.[2] In recent years the Sikh practice of wearing a kirpan has caused problems for security personnel at airports and other checkpoints. Security personnel may confiscate kirpans if they feel it is necessary, but are advised to treat them with respect.[3]

In Canada (Legal)

In most public places in Canada a Sikh religious Kirpan is allowed but there some places where it is not clear cut. In the 2006 Supreme Court of Canada decision of Multani v. Commission scolaire Marguerite‑Bourgeoys the court held that the banning of the kirpan in a school environment is against Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms as a reasonable accommodation. The issue started when a 12 year old student dropped a 20 cm (8 inches) long kirpan in school. School staff and parents were very concerned, and the student was required to attend school under police supervision until the court decision was reached.

In Sweden (Legal Conditional)

Swedish law has a ban on “street weapons” in public places that also includes knives unless used for hobby (for instance fishing) or profession (for instance a carpenter). Knives considered harmless, like a pocket knife, are allowed so a dull kirpan is allowed.[4][5]

In Denmark

On October 24, 2006, the Eastern High Court of Denmark upheld the earlier ruling of the Copenhagen City Court by which wearing of Kirpan by a Sikh was declared illegal. By this Denmark has become the first country in the World to pass such a ruling. Ripudaman Singh, who now works as a Scientist, was earlier convicted by the City Court for violating the Danish Weapons Law for publicly carrying a knife. He was fined 3000 Danish Kroner or an alternate imprisonment of 6 days. Though the High Court quashed this sentence, it maintained that the carrying of Kirpan by a Sikh is in violation of the Danish Weapons Law. The judgment stated, After all the information about the accused, the reason for the accused to possess a knife and the other circumstances of the case, such exceptional extenuating circumstances are found, that the punishment should be dropped, cf. Penal Code § 83, 2nd period.

Danish Weapons Law allows carrying of knives in public places if it is for fishing, hunting, sports or any other purpose recognized as valid. The High Court did not find religion as being a valid reason for carrying kirpan. It stated that, For these reasons, as stated by the City Court, it is agreed that the circumstance of the accused carrying the knife as a Sikh, cannot be regarded as a similarly recognisable purpose, included in the decision for the exceptions in weapon law § 4, par. 1, 1st period, second part.

European Law

The Sikhs right to wear a Kirpan is protected by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights on freedom of religion.

Eurostar Train policy

Letter from Richard Brown, Eurostar Chief Executive Officer (10-07-2006):

“Our security arrangements at Eurostar are in effect determined by Transec, the Transport Security Division of the Department for Transport, under the Channel Tunnel Security Order. They are very similar to the arrangements in place at airports for the airline passengers.

In practice, therefore, our response will depend on the size of the Kirpan being carried, which do of course vary in size very considerably. In general any blade of three inches’ length or less is now permitted to by carried by passengers – provided this is not a flick knife or lock knife. Any longer than this, and a passenger is not allowed to carry the blade on them personally – but they can of course consign the item to registered luggage so that it is carried in a separate, locked compartment on the train. This would apply to a sword-length Kirpan, for instance.

My understanding is that many Kirpans are quite small.” VJKK VJKF!!!

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Gurfathe. Keep this in your phones and forward to other Sikhs too; should it ever be needed:

It is legal under the criminal justice act 1988 (section 139) & offensive weapons act 1996 (section 3 & 4) for a Sikh to carry a Kirpan for religious reasons. The criminal justice act 1988 safeguards the rights of the Sikh to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion. Also, under European law the Sikhs right to wear a Kirpan is protected by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights on freedom of religion.

I wouldn't rely on Art.9 ECHR too much. Other than that, you need to mention one important aspect : It only applies to public places. Not private.

If I were to advise 'proud to be singhni' I would tell her to commence an action.....albeit in letter form at this stage. Not so much against Bob Wilson coz I doubt the pikey gypsy would be too bothered, but against the local authority who own the PUBLIC park. I can't remember if that particular park is actually shared between the London Boroughs of Ealing and Hounslow as it staddles the two, but whoever it is I suggest you give them an almighty scare. Ultimately, it is their responsibility and thus they are responsible for any intrusion into your civil and tort rights.

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vjkkhalsavjkfateh guys

:@ me and my brother about to enter Bob Wilsons funfair today at 9pm and what hapens, the two security guards ask us whats that (referring to my kirpan), i explain, he tells me to take it out and show it to him, which i do, still says, sorry guys (thinking im a young boy), cant let you in for security reasons. We turn away but im not feeling sorry bout no getting in jus thinking about in the future, my little one will be turned away from funfairsbecause of their sikhi

Lets make our own funfair before that happens for our kids before they face this saddening discrimination.

We were guna bring our cousins down to see it....oh welll cant now <_<

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LONG LIVE SIKHI CAMPS....YEEEEAAAHHH!!!! :doh:

Fetah jee we should really keep our shaster gupt. As the west does not understand why we wear the sri sahib. To much exposure to our sri sahib will only lead it to being banned. Image if we lived in punjab and gora started living there and they started to keep shaster but we was not allowed(lets not forget when the british had control in india this happen), how would we feel.

The up and coming weston generation dont understand their own religion let alone other religions. Look at France theve banned the sri sahib whos to say the Sri Sahib is next?

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