Stopped From Entrance To A Fairground

[BhaiSukhSingh]

Fateh! I'll show it 2 u now: LEGALITY

In India (Legal)

Article 25 of the Indian Constitution deems the carrying of ‘kirpan’ to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion[1], thus legalizing the carrying of kirpan by Sikhs.

In the United Kingdom (Legal)

It is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139) and Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4) for a Sikh to carry a kirpan with a blade for religious reasons (other reasons allowed by the Act are cultural or work related reasons). The Criminal Justice Act 1988 safeguards the rights of the Sikhs to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion.

In the USA (Legal)

There have been several court cases in the USA relating to the legality of wearing a kirpan in public places. Courts in New York and Ohio have ruled that banning the wearing of a kirpan is unconstitutional.[2] In recent years the Sikh practice of wearing a kirpan has caused problems for security personnel at airports and other checkpoints. Security personnel may confiscate kirpans if they feel it is necessary, but are advised to treat them with respect.[3]

In Canada (Legal)

In most public places in Canada a Sikh religious Kirpan is allowed but there some places where it is not clear cut. In the 2006 Supreme Court of Canada decision of Multani v. Commission scolaire Marguerite‑Bourgeoys the court held that the banning of the kirpan in a school environment is against Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms as a reasonable accommodation. The issue started when a 12 year old student dropped a 20 cm (8 inches) long kirpan in school. School staff and parents were very concerned, and the student was required to attend school under police supervision until the court decision was reached.

In Sweden (Legal Conditional)

Swedish law has a ban on “street weapons” in public places that also includes knives unless used for hobby (for instance fishing) or profession (for instance a carpenter). Knives considered harmless, like a pocket knife, are allowed so a dull kirpan is allowed.[4][5]

In Denmark

On October 24, 2006, the Eastern High Court of Denmark upheld the earlier ruling of the Copenhagen City Court by which wearing of Kirpan by a Sikh was declared illegal. By this Denmark has become the first country in the World to pass such a ruling. Ripudaman Singh, who now works as a Scientist, was earlier convicted by the City Court for violating the Danish Weapons Law for publicly carrying a knife. He was fined 3000 Danish Kroner or an alternate imprisonment of 6 days. Though the High Court quashed this sentence, it maintained that the carrying of Kirpan by a Sikh is in violation of the Danish Weapons Law. The judgment stated, After all the information about the accused, the reason for the accused to possess a knife and the other circumstances of the case, such exceptional extenuating circumstances are found, that the punishment should be dropped, cf. Penal Code § 83, 2nd period.

Danish Weapons Law allows carrying of knives in public places if it is for fishing, hunting, sports or any other purpose recognized as valid. The High Court did not find religion as being a valid reason for carrying kirpan. It stated that, For these reasons, as stated by the City Court, it is agreed that the circumstance of the accused carrying the knife as a Sikh, cannot be regarded as a similarly recognisable purpose, included in the decision for the exceptions in weapon law § 4, par. 1, 1st period, second part.

European Law

The Sikhs right to wear a Kirpan is protected by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights on freedom of religion.

Eurostar Train policy

Letter from Richard Brown, Eurostar Chief Executive Officer (10-07-2006):

“Our security arrangements at Eurostar are in effect determined by Transec, the Transport Security Division of the Department for Transport, under the Channel Tunnel Security Order. They are very similar to the arrangements in place at airports for the airline passengers.

In practice, therefore, our response will depend on the size of the Kirpan being carried, which do of course vary in size very considerably. In general any blade of three inches’ length or less is now permitted to by carried by passengers – provided this is not a flick knife or lock knife. Any longer than this, and a passenger is not allowed to carry the blade on them personally – but they can of course consign the item to registered luggage so that it is carried in a separate, locked compartment on the train. This would apply to a sword-length Kirpan, for instance.

My understanding is that many Kirpans are quite small.” VJKK VJKF!!!

But ever business has the right to refuse entry, why risk it. Your not gonna go to alton towers with your solicitor? so simple thing would be is to keep your shaster gupt. How many of us will take companies to court because they were rufued entry ? What will the papers gonna read Sikh man wins case to carry "DAGGER".

Simple solution is to keep it Gupt

[West London Singh]

Fetah jee we should really keep our shaster gupt. As the west does not understand why we wear the sri sahib. To much exposure to our sri sahib will only lead it to being banned. Image if we lived in punjab and gora started living there and they started to keep shaster but we was not allowed(lets not forget when the british had control in india this happen), how would we feel.

The up and coming weston generation dont understand their own religion let alone other religions. Look at France theve banned the sri sahib whos to say the Sri Sahib is next?

No. I think you're very wrong bruvs. I feel that Sikhism is unique in all world religions in that it actually requires all Sikhs to be very educated and literate. We should always be the ones that know more than the others.

I'll give you an example. The incident happened to the sister in Norwood Green. To the less eduacted, Norwood Green is just a small, slightly richer part of the bigger Southall. However, to the well read man or woman, historically Norwood Green is the big Parish under which the smaller irrelevent parish of Southall fell. Thus.....there is no doubt that there are some ancient covenants, easements and rights of way that apply to Norwood Green. Those covenants and easements ensure that the local authority via its proxy Bob Wilson have infringed the sister's rights.

Trust me.....its important to.let society know how savvy and educated the Sikhs are.

[BhaiSukhSingh]

No. I think you're very wrong bruvs. I feel that Sikhism is unique in all world religions in that it actually requires all Sikhs to be very educated and literate. We should always be the ones that know more than the others.

I'll give you an example. The incident happened to the sister in Norwood Green. To the less eduacted, Norwood Green is just a small, slightly richer part of the bigger Southall. However, to the well read man or woman, historically Norwood Green is the big Parish under which the smaller irrelevent parish of Southall fell. Thus.....there is no doubt that there are some ancient covenants, easements and rights of way that apply to Norwood Green. Those covenants and easements ensure that the local authority via its proxy Bob Wilson have infringed the sister's rights.

Trust me.....its important to.let society know how savvy and educated the Sikhs are.

Khalsa jee, where has informing other people (religions, governments) got us. How many years has it been we`ve been going to hyde park? Recent meeting with all religious leaders including the pope the sri sahib was banned.

These are but a few examples where even though world knows about us they dont care.

[West London Singh]

Khalsa jee, where has informing other people (religions, governments) got us. How many years has it been we`ve been going to hyde park? Recent meeting with all religious leaders including the pope the sri sahib was banned.

These are but a few examples where even though world knows about us they dont care.

The examples you give highlight the very reason why we need to show a higher intellect. Trust me.....to any non-sikh thats ever seen a demonstration of Sikhs in Hyde Park....or anywhere else for that matter....the only impression he/she gains abous us is that we write banners and posters worse than primary school children have very very poor basic English language skills.

I'll give you an example of my point : Read archive news reports of London in the 1920's and 30's. The news reports, artcles, books and polite after dinner conversation were full of stories about the east end Jews and crime. Every robbery was blamed on the jewish men. Every prostitution ring was blamed on the jewish women. The Jews....who were very very poor, living in terrible slums decided that education was the key. They decided they would get so educated that they themselves would control the news, the magazines, the books, and polite after dinner conversation. To do that they had to ensure they became, as a community, not just very educated but THE most educated of all.

Lets just assume for one moment that Southall wasn't a sikh area but was a traditional jewish area, and a Jew was restricted from the public park simply for wearing what the law allows him to wear as a jew. Do you really, honestly, think he would not even know the basics of the history of his home town and thus not know how, in history, Norwood Green was the main parish and Southall just a small sub-parish of Norwood Green ? The man with intellect thinks outside the box. He is aware of everything around him. He would know that, given the historic significance of Norwood Green, there are very likely to be many many covenants and easements attached to that land. By now, he would have looked at the land register, written to the local authority and received a grovelling apology.

But thats them.

Alas, this is us.

[BhaiSukhSingh]

The examples you give highlight the very reason why we need to show a higher intellect. Trust me.....to any non-sikh thats ever seen a demonstration of Sikhs in Hyde Park....or anywhere else for that matter....the only impression he/she gains abous us is that we write banners and posters worse than primary school children have very very poor basic English language skills.

I'll give you an example of my point : Read archive news reports of London in the 1920's and 30's. The news reports, artcles, books and polite after dinner conversation were full of stories about the east end Jews and crime. Every robbery was blamed on the jewish men. Every prostitution ring was blamed on the jewish women. The Jews....who were very very poor, living in terrible slums decided that education was the key. They decided they would get so educated that they themselves would control the news, the magazines, the books, and polite after dinner conversation. To do that they had to ensure they became, as a community, not just very educated but THE most educated of all.

Lets just assume for one moment that Southall wasn't a sikh area but was a traditional jewish area, and a Jew was restricted from the public park simply for wearing what the law allows him to wear as a jew. Do you really, honestly, think he would not even know the basics of the history of his home town and thus not know how, in history, Norwood Green was the main parish and Southall just a small sub-parish of Norwood Green ? The man with intellect thinks outside the box. He is aware of everything around him. He would know that, given the historic significance of Norwood Green, there are very likely to be many many covenants and easements attached to that land. By now, he would have looked at the land register, written to the local authority and received a grovelling apology.

But thats them.

Alas, this is us.

we`ve done all this yet we get told to remove our sri sahib at a fair ground?