Peer Buddhu Shah

[Niranjana]

Our friend "khalsa fauj",

I'll come back to Maha Kaal later - this has in fact been answered many times, but in anycase, just for you, we'll deal with it again.

But before doing so, please explain how the following is "Anti-Gurmat":

Mur Pit Poorabh Keeyas Pyana

Bhaant Bhaant Kay Teerath Naana

Jub Hee Jaat Tirbhainee Bhae

Pun Daan Din Kurt Bitae

And also, without providing any challenge to the notion you suggest, even if Luv and Kush are our ancestors, how does that make us Hindu? I guess your ancestry before Guru Nanak Dev Ji preched Sikhi on Earth didn't exist? You simply dropped out of the sky as a Sikh? Your point on this a very childish one - before we even get into debating if Luv and Kush are our ancestors.

But first, please explain what is anti-gurmat about the above selection.

Thanks,

Niranjana.

p.s. These objections to Dasam Bani are not new, they have been around for some time now and also answered, perhaps you can read those as well, before proclaiming yourself as the messenger of Truth.

[H4RPAL]

ਕਰੰ ਬਾਮ ਚਾਪਿਯੰ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ਕਰਾਲੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਤੇਜ ਤੇਜੰ ਬਿਰਾਜੈ ਬਿਸਾਲੰ ॥

He holds the bow in His left hand and the terrible sword (in the right). He is the Supreme Effulgence of all lights and sits in His Great Glory.

ਮਹਾਂ ਦਾੜ੍ਹ ਦਾਤ੍ਹੰ ਸੁ ਸੋਹੰ ਅਪਾਰੰ ॥ ਜਿਨੈ ਚਰਬੀਯੰ ਜੀਵ ਜੱਗਯਾੰ ਹਜਾਰੰ ॥੧੮॥

He, of Infinite Splendour, is the masher of of the boar-incarnation with great grinder tooth. He crushed and devoured thousands of the creatures of the world.18.

ਡਮਾਡੱਮ ਡਉਰੂ ਸਿਤਾ ਸੇਤ ਛਤ੍ਰੰ ॥ ਹਾਹਾ ਹੂਹੂ ਹਾਸੰ ਝਮਾਝੱਮ ਅਤ੍ਰੰ ॥

The tabor (in the hand of Great Death (KAL) resounds and the black and white canopy swings. Loud laughter emanates from his mouth and the weapons (in his hands) glisten.

ਮਹਾ ਘੋਰ ਸਬਦੰ ਬਜੇ ਸੰਖ ਐਸੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਲੈ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਜ੍ਵਾਲ ਜੈਸੇ ॥੧੯॥

His conch produces such a terrible sound that appears like the blazing fire of the Death on doomsday.19.

ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥

RASAAVAL STANZA

ਘਣੰ ਘੰਟ ਬਾਜੰ ॥ ਧੁਣੰ ਮੇਘ ਲਾਜੰ ॥

Many gongs resound and hearing their sound, the clouds feel ashamed.

ਭਯੋ ਸੱਦ ਏਵੰ ॥ ਹੜਿਓ ਨੀਰਧੇਵੰ ॥੨੦॥

Such a sound is produced that it appears like the sound of the surging waves of the sea.20.

ਘੁਰੰ ਘੁੰਘਰੇਯੰ ॥ ਧੁਣੰ ਨੇਵਰੇਯੰ ॥

The small bells of the feet jingle, and the anklets rattle.

ਮਹਾ ਨਾਦ ਨਾਦੰ ॥ ਸੁਰੰ ਨਿਰਬਿਖਾਦੰ ॥੨੧॥

Such sounds are peaceful sounds against the great resounding (of gongs).21

ਸਿਰੰ ਮਾਲ ਰਾਜੰ ॥ ਲਖੇ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਲਾਜੰ ॥

The rosary of heads glorified his neck, seeing which the god Shiva feels abashed.

ਸੁਭੰ ਚਾਰ ਚਿੱਤ੍ਰੰ ॥ ਪਰਮੰ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰੰ ॥੨੨॥

Such a beautiful image appears magnificent and it is greatly holy.22.

ਮਹਾ ਗਰਜ ਗਰਜੰ ॥ ਸੁਨੈ ਦੂਤ ਲਰਜੰ ॥

He produces the very loud roar, hearing which the messengers (of Yama) tremble.

ਸ੍ਰਵੰ ਸ੍ਰੌਣ ਸੋਹੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਮਾਨ ਮੋਹੰ ॥੨੩॥

The blood oozes (from his rosary of skulls glorifying his neck and it is fascinating his great honour.23.

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In the extract you have provided, where does it state this description applies to maha-kaal? Is this not more likely to be a description of Kaal rather than maha kaal?

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Niranjna maybe you don't understand but that quote that I will come in kalyug as Nanak is clearly saying Guru Ji was a hindu avtar before. Guru Ji meaning Guru Nanak Ji. Also the writer says joat of Guru Nanak went from one Guru to another up to Guru Tegh Bahadur and that Guru Gobind SIngh Ji is separate. What happened to transforming of joat of Guru Nanak Ji?

As for MahaKaal that is the description of MahaKaal. It is also present in tria chariter in the 1st chariter, bhagauti chariter in shund 17.

See what Akaal Ustat says about Mahakaal:

ਗਿਆਨ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਗਿਆਤਾ ਮਹਾਂ ਬੁੱਧਿਤਾ ਕੇ ਦਾਤਾ ਦੇਵ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਹੈਂ ॥੧॥੨੫੩॥

He is the knower of the knowledge, the giver-god of he supreme intellect; He is the death of death and also the death of the supreme death (MahaKal).1.253.

Now another thing Tup Saadhat Prabh Mohay Bulayo

God is located at a special place where he called dusht daman? In Jaap Sahib it is said that God is Athaamay. So which one is right?

Above all, in Akaal Ustat Guru Gobind SIngh Ji says:

Also God telling dusht daman that no one remembered me is all wrong again. If that is right then the list includes, first 9 Joats of Guru Nanak, all the Bhagats present in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, all the other saints who Guru Nanak visited including, Baba Buddhan Shah and all those other Gursikhs who did Bhagti.

Don't forget about the other points i mentioned.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Heading says Sri Kaal Ji Ki Ustat!

Ustat means praise. Why praise something you don't worship. Guru Granth Sahib Ji strictly prohibits worship of anyone other than God.

Kaal Pae Brahma Bup Dhara|| Kaal Pae Sivjoo Avtara||

So that is wrong also then.

Also if you read chariter 405, last one, it says that from the fire of the mouth of MahaKaal

Khans, Shaiks, etc. were born.

Also the writer sometimes uses Mahakaal, some times kaal so it is the same thing and both have the same characteristics. Drugged up writer of bachitter natak made a big mistake by saying raamnand and gorakh came before Mohammed. The fact is that they actually came like 800 years after Mohammed. Moammed told Muslims to worship Allah not him so that is also wrong when the writer says no one got people to worship Akaal.

Raamanand also has a Shabad is Guru Granth Sahib Ji, looks like the writer didn't know it.

Also the writer doesn't even mention Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Ji. Why? Because he didn't know too much about it.

Don't tell me that Guru Gobind SIngh Ji made all those mistakes.

As for Mur Pit Poorabh Keeyas Pyana

Bathing at hindu sacred places is Manmat. Teerath Ishnaan is strictly against the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Same for giving donations to brahmans. What you are saying is Guru Ji wasted money of Sikhs by giving it to Brahmans? Shake your head 5 times and think again about this shund Mur Pit Poorabh ...

Guru tegh Bahadur Ji went to hindu pilgrimage for sacred bathings and gave donations at Tirveni (Paryag) to Brahmans.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Stil no one has answered why there is no mention of Peer Buddhu Shah?

And

How did Guru Ji and MahaKaal mistake Mohammed to come after Gorakh and Ramanand?

[Niranjana]

Khalsa Fauj, aka "copy and paste" scholar,

Please could you kindly provide the meaning what I requested:

Mur Pit Poorabh Keeyas Pyana

Bhaant Bhaant Kay Teerath Naana

Jub Hee Jaat Tirbhainee Bhae

Pun Daan Din Kurt Bitae

What does this mean to YOU and WHY is it contrary to GURMAT???

Actually explain this ONE tuk, let's work a little by little and rather than just copy and pasting other peoples ideas...

Thanks,

Niranjana.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Niranjan Singh Ji, please go through the topic to see the aarths of

Mur Pit Poorabh Keeyas Pyana.

Bohat Bohat Dhunwaad

[H4RPAL]

Heading says Sri Kaal Ji Ki Ustat!

Ustat means praise. Why praise something you don't worship. Guru Granth Sahib Ji strictly prohibits worship of anyone other than God.

Kaal Pae Brahma Bup Dhara|| Kaal Pae Sivjoo Avtara||

So that is wrong also then.

Also if you read chariter 405, last one, it says that from the fire of the mouth of MahaKaal

Khans, Shaiks, etc. were born.

Also the writer sometimes uses Mahakaal, some times kaal so it is the same thing and both have the same characteristics. Drugged up writer of bachitter natak made a big mistake by saying raamnand and gorakh came before Mohammed. The fact is that they actually came like 800 years after Mohammed. Moammed told Muslims to worship Allah not him so that is also wrong when the writer says no one got people to worship Akaal.

Raamanand also has a Shabad is Guru Granth Sahib Ji, looks like the writer didn't know it.

Also the writer doesn't even mention Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Ji. Why? Because he didn't know too much about it.

Don't tell me that Guru Gobind SIngh Ji made all those mistakes.

As for Mur Pit Poorabh Keeyas Pyana

Bathing at hindu sacred places is Manmat. Teerath Ishnaan is strictly against the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Same for giving donations to brahmans. What you are saying is Guru Ji wasted money of Sikhs by giving it to Brahmans? Shake your head 5 times and think again about this shund Mur Pit Poorabh ...

Guru tegh Bahadur Ji went to hindu pilgrimage for sacred bathings and gave donations at Tirveni (Paryag) to Brahmans.

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You say there is no difference between Kaal and Mahakaal, and thus the quote previously applied to mahakaal can be considered such due to this interchangeable vocabulary.

However, the later quotation you provided contradicts this, as it states "He is the knower of the knowledge, the giver-god of he supreme intellect; He is the death of death and also the death of the supreme death (MahaKal).1.253."

In this extract, it is clear the language is not interchangeable, and that Kaal and Mahakaal must be considered as seperate entities.

[Singh47]

Although some translate 'Mahakaal' as supreme death. But I think that Mahakaal here refers to Shivji (Shiva) who is also known as 'MahaKaal'.

Shivji being one of the three Hindu Gods that make up the tri`murti, and is thought of as the one responsible as the God of death or 'the desroyer'.

So I think that tukh is saying that Vaheguru is not only the Kaal of death, but also the Kaal of Shiva(mahakaal).

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Kaal also means Shivji and Mahakaal also means Shivji. As for me contradicting, read chariter 404 and see how both are used interchangeably.

Thank you Singh47. You are right. Just read the description of Shivji and Kaal and Mahakaal. Same description. 4 arms, dead head skeletons around the neck, red toungue sticking out, etc. etc. If you want a pic of Shiva aka Mahakaal aka kaal contact me.