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[The Khalsa Fauj]

Kavi Santokh Singh, Gyani Gian Singh, Tara Singh Narotam and even Piara Singh Padam didn't believe in Raagmaala. Gyani Gyan Singh was part of Sarbat Khalsa in 1906 or around there which decided that Raagmaala isn't bani.

[H4RPAL]

http://www.amritworld.com/sanatani/sanatan.pdf

http://www.amritworld.com/sanatani/satyuga.pdf

I've just noticed two more sections have been added since this post has been updated.

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[Nihang Gajjan Singh]

I am surprised to see people are saying bhai Amrit singh is not akj. He is from akj background. Everyone knows it in his city. in this foto he is seen with other ajk people. This is his childhood picture. He is playing gatka with karam singh of akj. Other two senior akj men are seen in the picture. Akj children are seen in this foto. These children are fathers and mothers of their children now. All are akj.

it is funny that bhai Armit Singh has critise nihang dress but in this picture he is in nihang dress.

[N30S1NGH]

I am surprised to see people are saying bhai Amrit singh is not akj. He is from akj background. Everyone knows it in his city. in this foto he is seen with other ajk people. This is his childhood picture. He is playing gatka with karam singh of akj. Other two senior akj men are seen in the picture. Akj children are seen in this foto. These children are fathers and mothers of their children now. All are akj.

it is funny that bhai Armit Singh has critise nihang dress but in this picture he is in nihang dress

Amrit pal singh ji is not AKJ. In fact, he wrote many intellectual articles against anti-ragmalla claims and claims of people who consider keski as kakar.

His father gave all his life for the panth di seva and parchar contrary to AKJ.

Nihang ji, lets not spread lies about him. And his picture in nihang dress of youth days does not prove anything. As you probably know, all the great scholars have their views changed when they acquire more vidya in subjects.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Who cares about what who believed in. We have to go with the truth. Truth is truth. Doesn't matter who was against what.

[H4RPAL]

I am surprised to see people are saying bhai Amrit singh is not akj. He is from akj background. Everyone knows it in his city. in this foto he is seen with other ajk people. This is his childhood picture. He is playing gatka with karam singh of akj. Other two senior akj men are seen in the picture. Akj children are seen in this foto. These children are fathers and mothers of their children now. All are akj.

it is funny that bhai Armit Singh has critise nihang dress but in this picture he is in nihang dress.

134719[/snapback]

Do you assume its admirable for people to form opinions and stick with them for life, even if they later doubt these opinions through research? Is there no place for learning in your world? You are supportive of Niddar Singh as you previously disclosed in some posts, did you criticise him when he changed his views from blue kaccherras being the traditional type to white kaccherras being those worn by the Khalsa of old??

Is it not acceptable to you that people can research and change their views? Also, does Amritpal Singh really "criticise" Nihang dress as such? Does he tell Nihangs not to wear it? Or is it simply the case he has researched historical texts etc and found cases that seem to contradict popular opinion?

Not many people have the time and resources available to do any research into these old texts, and thus tend to believe biased accounts read elsewhere. I think its far better that we extract some contrary thinking from these sources too, so we who are not able to do this research ourselves can develop a more balanced view.

All I see Amritpal Singh doing is making information from old texts accesible for people so they can make their decisions. There is no influencing or imposing views on others. Readers are presented extracts and explanations, but are left with a decision to make for themselves regarding whether such information supersedes their previous beliefs. Thats the way I see his work, maybe I'm reading it wrong or something.

[Guest A Singh.]

I would firstly like to mention that Veer Amritpal Singh Ji is continuing to update his website with more articles:

http://www.amritworld.com/sanatani/index.html

Secondly I would like to comment:

Singh47,

You stated that "Even Nirmalas like Kavi Santokh Singh, Sant Singh, Giani Gian Singh, Pandit Tara Singh Narotam" didn't believe in Raagmala.

This is grossly incorrect and something anti-raagmala supporter use to cover up for their main man Teja Singh Bhasauria.  Kavi Santokh has not said he doesn't believe in raagmala, only that he does not known if it was written by the Gurus or not.  Gyani Gyan Singh is also misquoted on this front.

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ok now i m confused. Who is right here? Singh 47, Niranajana, can you please both bring fwd your references for your claims?

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Veer Namstang Ji, in the above post you have just asked "Singh 47" to bring forward his references for his claims. Veer "Singh 47" has just posted his references on a new thread, and upon reading them you have said:

Singh47 and others,

why play the same broken record?

And

I request admin to consider closing this topic. If they(anti-ragmalla people, bhasuria singhs, bhai randhir singh jatha members) wish to debate on ragmalla, they should take their concerns on that thread. Their points are already been adressed and refuted.

Veer Namstang Ji do not be offended or angered by my comments. Perhaps you had forgotten that you had asked Bhai Sahib for his references.

[N30S1NGH]

Yes that was me who asked him for references, but then i searched on sikhawareness, found my references there. so no need for that, and besides singh47 post was directed towards niranjana with malicous intentions, it's funny you posted right after him . what do you think this is?

Tag team wrestling match?

[Singh47]

Naam Stang Siaa, why are you so angry at me for? What did I do to deserve this?

First you are the one who asked me a question by saying how you are so confused and need some answers, then when I give an answer (with references!) you ask the mods to close down the thread.

First of all the thread I started was not even directed at you, it was directed at Naranjana, as I was answering him directly. I myself did not argue that Ragmala is bani or not. I just answered to Naranjana jee to his claim of Kavi Santokh Singh and Giani Gian Singh which I knew what not correct.

I am sorry that Veer Naam Stand Jee could not take a simple debate because two mature adults who just simply want to learn from one another and others here.

Naam Stang Jee, what I want to know is ਵੱਟ ਇਜ਼ ਯੋਰ ਪਰਾਬਲੈਮ with the thread I started?