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tape 11 out of 81

Sidhas asked Guru Ji- How can one get salvation? How can one breaks barrier between soul and bhram/paratama(god)? Can someone get salvation by being pure(bodily cleansing)?

Guru Ji said,

There is man di pavirta (cleansing of mind) and there is sirar di pavirtha (cleansing of body). Cleansing of body cannot be done fully never, because of its temporary nature of cleansing then going back to dirt.

Sochai Soch Na Houvi Jai Soche Lakh // ||

One can cleanse their body, lakh times (100,000 times) still body cannot be fully cleansed for forever.

Then Guru Ji further exclaimed:

Chupai Chup Na Hovaie ||

Jai Laya Liv tar ||

One even wants to stay queit(maun) in path of spirituality, one cannot acheive God.

In fact staying queit as penanace is against god's gift.. because with the tongue can meditate and sing devotional singing.

Bhukai Bhuk Na Utari

Jai Banna Poriya Bar ||

Even one gets all the kingdom of this world and other realms even then hungry persons hunger is not gone.

Bhuk(hunger) of trishna(desires) is endless.

Saihes Sanayap Lakh Hoi

Ta Ek Na Chalae Naal ||

With many knowledge (thousands, millions)and cleverness taken from many books. At the time of death, these knowledges does not give any help.

Gyani further explained by giving an example:

There was clever man named aflato, he came to know that he will die in few days. He made 45 status of him fully resembling him. It was that magnificently made that nobody can find any difference between statue and actual body. When death came to him, on that day- he sleep with the statues replica's of him. When angel of death came to get him, they got confused because of 45 replica's of the same person. They went back to dharam raja and said - we can't really recnognize him since there are 46 his kinds there. Dharamraja, started laughing and said- you should start looking at each statues and start over complimenting them from 1 to 6 statues and then when you get to 7th statue of aflato, find faults in him by saying- nose is bit disfigured. Angel of death did what they were told to do..when they went up to 7th statue and start find faults in statue's nose..real afalto got up and said - who has guts to find faults in statues?. Angel of death found out who the real afalto was and told him we found you even you tried your best to hide from the death.

Then Guru ji gave deep sermons on:

Sochai Soch Na Houvi Jai Soche Lakh // ||

With cleansing of body, mind does not get cleansed and still affected by 5 vices- Lust, greed, pride, anger, attachment.

If with only bodily cleansing, one can get salvation then frogs, fishes, water creatures would have controlled their mind and would have acheived salvation.

Chupai Chup Na Hovaie ||

Even if one tries to keep complete silence, still it does not help with cleansing just like if volume on a tape played can be fully decreased to zero, but inside there is that tape(mind) still running.

If one tries to silent their mind then one can automatically keep silence but if one tries to keep silence outwardly, mind will not get attuned to silence.

Jai Lahae Liv tar ||

Even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within being silent one cannot acheive him.

Bhukai Bhuk Na Utari

Jai Banna Poriya Bar ||

Even one gets all the kingdom of this world and other realms even then hungry persons hunger is not gone.

Even if one ties himself with ropes of 5 senses forecefully and even if someone tries to keep barth(hunger strike) to control their mind.

With only naam, bhuk(hunger of desires, vices) can only be negated.

Saihes Sanayap Lakh Hoi

Ta Ek Na Chalae Naal ||

To get mind concentration, one can follow many cleverness in books, listen to lectures and tied yourself with it even then one's mind cannot be controlled

Gyani further explained by giving an example of raja paras nath. He was a ruler who had ruled full world. When full world was his control he went to his mother to get an blessing and thanked her because of your grace i am able to win and control small and large kingdoms of this world. His mother said, one kingdom you couldn't win. Raja asked which kingdom? She replied, Mann Raja Sultan. This really effected raja and he said, i shall win over mind as well. Raja went on mountains and start doing hard meditation (tapayasa) for many years. After soo many years when he couldn't win over his mind. He collected the wood, lit up the fire and jumped on the fire and died.

So with sanayap(cleverness) mind cannot be conquered.

To be continued:

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tape 12 out of 81

Sidhas then asked:

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

Guru ji replied,

hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal.

Abide by will of god, hakum is written within oneself.

Stay in will of god regardless of up and downs in life and hakum is naam jaap of god.

Gursikhs asked same questions to Guru Nanak Dev Ji-

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

Guru Ji replied to conclude first pauri of japji sahib,

when person does seva in sahkham bhavna(desire to get something), person gets whatever wishes however mind does not get cleansed because person didn't do seva in nishkham bhavna (desireless self-service) and person didn't do nishkam naam simran (simran with no desire to get something in return). If one wishes to get their body/mind cleasned then one needs to adapt virtue nishkam bhavna (no desire to get something in return) during seva and naam simran.

Chupai Chup Na Hovaie ||

Jai Lahae Liv tar ||

Gursikhs asked Guru Nanak Dev Ji, what can be done to over come the above pankiti.

Guru ji replied,

To overcome this, there are ways(sadhans)- 1. sam - observing and stopping your mind to bad acts and 2. dham - control your five senses- sight, smell, touch, hear, taste and also decrease your desires slowly and one day you will desires will be gone..

In gurmat, rehat maryada and naam simran helps ones to adapt sam and dham virtues in one's mind.

Gyani ji further added:

Bin Naamaie Virodh Sirar ||

Without naam, within in the physical body resistance takes birth. Which makes us to do bad acts.

Bhukai Bhuk Na Utari

Jai Banna Poriya Bar ||

Gursikhs asked Guru ji, what can be done to over come the above pankti?

Guru ji replied, only ways to overcome this is bairaag (longing towards Vahiguroo) and santokh (contenment). When one does not have bairaag, santokh virtue in them, the fire/hunger(bhuk) of trishna (desires) does not get destroyed in one's mind.

Bina Santokh Kou Rajaie

Saupan Manaurakth Birthai Sab Kajaie ||

Saihes Sanayap Lakh Hoi

Ta Ek Na Chalae Naal ||

Gursikhs further asked Guru ji, what can be done to over come the above pankti?

Guru ji replied, only way to over come this is bibek buddhi - Bib (two) ek(oness), separating ignorance of one's existence from mind is called bibek. Bibek helps us to shift from two to one (duality to non-duality).

Dvait Taie Ek Roop Hoi Gayeo ||

Atma and paratma reunion is called bibek buddhi.

Bhul Gayeo Agyan Tai Apno Atma Roop

Tahi Kio Pher Jan Dio Gyan Kahit Ka Bhup ||

Bibek Buddhi can only be found in sat sangat, sadh sangat.

To be continued:

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tape 13 out of 81

Sidhas said, we do understand that one needs to stay in the will of god (in raza of vahiguroo) but sidhas asked Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we know paratama cannot be approachable, can you please answer how big is paratma's(God) hakum?

Guru Ji smiled and answered, if we know vahiguroo's hakum then we know the secret of hakum. When we cannot find God's end then how can we find secret of hakum?

Then Guru Ji further narrated:

Hakume Hovan Akaar Hukum Na Keeha Jaie ||

Whatever akhars (shapes) are there like- mountains, ocean, stars, being, animals are there..they are all in fear.

Bhai Vich Sabh Akaar Hai Nirbhau Har Jio Soi ||

With ongkar resosance akar took birth then came along rajo, tamo, satogun, 5 subtle elements, 5 elements, 25 sub elements.

With God's will(hakum) all these akars came into existence.

Ongkar Aad Kathni Anad |

Out of God- ongkar(resosance) was born. Ongkar's aad is Vahiguroo.

Vahiguroo is aad roop.

Hakume Hovan Jeea Hukam milai vadi-aa-ee ||

By his command, whole being came into existence, By his command, glory and greatness are obtained.

Hukmee Utam Neech Hukam Likh Dukh Sukh Paa-ee-ah ||

By his command, great person becomes low and low becomes great, by his command we obtain pain and pleasure.

If one follow his command then even sad person can obtain full happiness.

Iknaa Hukme Bakhsees Ik Hukmee Sadaa Bhavaa-ee-ah ||

Ones are those who stay within hakum and get grace of naam from Vahiguroo and Ones are those by his command, wander in reincarnations.

Hukmai Andar Sabh Ko Baahar Hukam Na Ko-Ay ||

Whatever is happening is happening within his hakum(will) and nothing is out of hakum of Vahiguroo.

Gyani added further- By staying in hakum, one gets peace of mind but it's very hard to accept the hakum.

Gyani ji gave example- Once there was a mahatama, he used to live in his hut. One time mother came with his son and requested saint to advise him since stealing has became his habit. Her son was very clever and responded to mahatma everything is in his will and left off.

Few weeks passed away. One day her son got caught by police and getting beaten up by police..The same saint who met him was walking by.. he called saint's name and begged him to save his life. Saint replied, you remember you said everything is in hakum upon my questioning your actions now you are getting beaten by police.. is this is not hakum? If you stay in this hakum you will repent your actions and will be good person one day.

Guru ji says, by staying within hakum we get attached with hakumi(God) until then we are outside of the hakum(will) we are de-attached with God.

Nanak Hukmai Jay Bujhai Ta Ha-umai Kahai Na Ko-ay ||

With Satguru grace, if person understand God's will then nobody will speak words of ego.

Kabir Na Ho Kiya Na Karange Na Kar Sakae Sirar Jo Kuch Kiya So Har Kiya Bhaoye Kabir Kabir ||

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tape 14 out of 81

In this tape, gyani talks about previous two pauris of japji sahib. How there is common misinterpertation done by people and in this tape gyani also talks about different levels interpertation of gurbani verses in these two pauriya's.

Sochai Soch Na Houvi Jai Soche Lakh // ||

One can cleanse their body, lakh times (100,000 times) still body cannot be fully cleansed for forever.

Gyani said there are three types of jagaiso(learners)-

1. Utam Jagiaso- They can catch spiritual/gurbani discourses very easily with their bibek buddhi.

2. Madham Jagaiso- Ones that need more explanation through examples.

3. Kaanisht Jagaiso- Ones that go out and misinterpet gurbani and take everything out of context and start criticising gyani's, saints by their own standards/matt. Like for example- See today in the katha- person talked about how bodily cleaness does not come even after million of attempts...then what's point of taking shower and why keep suchum? There is no point.

Gyani ji futher said, Guru ji recited this pankiti " Sochai Soch Na Houvi Jai Soche Lakh // ||" by referring to those type of people who takes ishnan, keeping suchum(cleaness) concepts to an extreme. They don't meditate nor they do any self-service to humanity. They claim they have stayed above water for this many years, and took shower with this many gagars(buckets of water). This type of people taking things to extreme.

Gyani said, suchum is needed however there is a need to be balance. People who goes to extreme and take care of suchmta all the time then if one ask them- how much patt or naam simran you have done? They have no answer.

Gyani ji talks about Guru ji targetting such people in above pankiti, who goes to extreme in their suchmta like as if their whole life is based on suchmta(cleaniness)..having suchmta only in one's life is of no vail if person does not do naam simran. Things need to be balanced.

Chupai Chup Na Hovaie , Jai Laya Liv tar ||

One even wants to stay queit(maun) in path of spirituality, one cannot acheive God.

Above pankiti is also misinterpertated by some people. Some people who loves to chat all day question others- where in gurbani it says one should not chat?? They refer to above pankiti to justify their acts.

Gyani ji added that one needs to speak but only when its needed. Being fully silent(mauni) is also not allowed in sikh dharam as well as chatting all day long is also discouraged in sikh dharam. Sikhs should avoid these extremes and do naam simran more.

Bhukai Bhuk Na Utari Jai Banna Poriya Bar ||

Above pankiti is also misinterpeted people who loves to eat. Guru ji said, eat in moderation and be content.

Guru gobind Singh Ji says in Sri Dasam Guru Granth:

Re Man Aiso Kar Sanyasa

Ban Se Sadan Sabh Kar Samjho

Man Hi Mahaie Udasa |

Saihes Sanayap Lakh Hoi

Ta Ek Na Chalae Naal ||

Gyani explains, how people don't read books of wisdom by using the above quote to justify their lazy acts. Gyani said in this quote- guru ji said one needs to practise what they read otherwise one enters the circle of hypocrisy. Gyani added, that sanyap which are materialstic and superfical do not give any help at the end. However adopting Guru's sanyap(mat) helps this moral being.

Hakum Hovan Akaar..

Gyani talks about - people who follow hakum becomes akaar(shape) of parmeshvar(Vahiguroo). Like for example- Once Guru Nanak Dev Ji said to sangat- Baba Budda Ji is my roop. Those people have understood hakum and they don't speak in ego.

Once before Guru Nanak Dev Ji tested baba ji- and told him - baba ji it's amrit vela and baba ji replied no guru ji not yet , still night, this happened three times.

Then Guru Nanak Dev Ji did this same test to Bhai Lehna Ji and told him- it's amrit vela and bhai lehna ji said- Sat Bachan. Bhai Lehna Ji followed Guru Ji full hakum then became 2nd Guru Nanak Dev Ji (Hakumi Akar) of parmesvar.

Hukum Na Keeha Jaie |

Gyani talks about - how satguru and bhramgyani's hakum secret cannot be know to the world because gurbani says- Bhramgyani ki gat Bhramgyani Janaie ||

Gyani further talks about how hard is to understand mahatama's(saints) bachan. We mortal people get confused over that bachan and talks about what kinda bachan is that? Because we judge them by our standards.

Gyani also talks about that's how bhramgyanis nature not many can understand. Gyani shares an sakhi of mahapursh telling it's jagiaso to bow down to person like him by saying- here is rab, go matha taik to him. Jagaiso said, this cannot be rab(god). Mahapursh in their masti said, you missed an golden chance to meet God because for few moments..god himself came.. if you have followed the hakum you could have gotten the grace.

Hakum Hovan Jeea Hukam milai vadi-aa-ee ||

An bhramgyani that follows hakum, whatever jee jant are there- being, animals, insects, dieties are controlled by his hakum.

Gyani ji said the only difference between bhramgyani and god is only like

Pot of water floating on a ocean(God). There is water in the pot and outside the pot. Only difference is samundar(ocean) does not have akar(shape) but pot(shape) can be seen. Once pot is broken (when bhramgyani leaves the body), water which was inside the pot merges with water outside and all around pot. Bhramgyani resides in Vahiguroo to that extent.

Example- Baba Budda Ji at his end time before leaving his body merged with 6th master- Guru Hargobind Sahib that baba budda ji lost his existence and merge with Nirankari Jot.

When mere mortal being like us stays in hakum of satguru, bhramgyani like- Nanak bhramgyani aap parmeshvar || then that person gets vaadiya as pankti talks about:

Hukam milai vadi-aa-ee ||

Gyani talks about: we judge bhramgyani by body, but we don't look beyond body ie- sumandar anand da sagar inside (ocean of god's wisdom inside).

Hukmee Utam Neech Hukam Likh Dukh Sukh Paa-ee-ah ||

Satguru, bhramgyani who follows Vahiguroo hakum, mere mortal like us who follow their hakum can become utam(higher) from neech(lower worms).

Gyani further give example of this duplicate sikh name- kher khanawala sikh.

He usually ate kheer for his living at gurdwara. He ate kheer for 6 months in gurdwara. Some gursikhs came up to him said - bhai sahib ji, you should also do some seva as well, over abusing langar is not good. This person said- i don't follow you guys, I follow only Guru Angad Dev Ji just like how these days people say- we only beleive in siri guru granth sahib..and we don't beleive in sant mahapursh.

This kher khanwala sikh stayed in gurdwara for 6 months and ate loads of kheer. Once he came across with Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji. When he became aware of guru ji. He started showing fake nirmata(humility) and start doing drama. Guru Ji said- who is this person? Gursikhs narrated the whole story. He is been living here for 6 months..just ate kheer and slept that was his daily routine ..we advised him to do seva as well but he replied, i only have faith in guru angad dev ji and will follow his bachan.

Guru Ji replied and said, what's there to follow my bachan now?. Your life has only 8 pahirs(24 hrs)after that you will die. This person became very worrisome and start begging guru ji for his well being. Guru Ji gave him hakum you want your well being..you should go to jungle- gather some woods, lit them with fire, and jump on fire..That's only way.

This person went running around in jungle and gathered woods and lit an fire..start running around in circle of woods which were on fire and keep blaming gursikhs for his own stupidity. Then all of sudden, this theif came with lots of diamonds, jewelleries and asked him why you running in circles around the fire. He narrated the whole story to theif, theif said give me this bachan because i got people after me. An theif gave him all the treasure he stoled and was about to jump on fire and said take my treasure, i have committed enough sins i ll jump on fire.. i ll get grace from guru ji..this theif jumped on fire but fire went off. This theif was very touched by this incident and straight to khardhu sahib and went to guru ji while this kher khan wala sikh got caught by kingdom was given hang until death punishment. He died right 24 hours(8 pahir).

This theif went to Guru ji and Guru ji said- you are dhan you followed my bachan. Guru ji hugged this theif and told him you have my grace but do 21 japji sahib as your nitneem. Guru Angad Dev ji gave him bhramgyan because he followed guru ji bachan. This theif became saint and did seva of parchar in Gurughar.

Hukam Likh Dukh Sukh Paa-ee-ah.

Person who had pain in his/her karam, by following hakum of satguru, bhramgyani one can attained sukh (peace).

Jai Koi Bachan Kamvaie Santan Ka So Gurparsadi Teraie ||

By following bachan of bhramgyani mahapursh, with grace of true guru can across the wordly ocean.

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Tape 15 out of 81

Iknaa Hukmee Bakhsees

Bhramgyanis stays within hakum. They within hakum give grace to people of bhram vidiya, naam di dat.

Gyani Ji gave example of bhramgyani mahatama encounter with dacoit ( balmik). Mahatama's asked him, all these stealing and killing other people you seem to enjoy as your hobby. Does these things will help your par-lok (other world after death)?

He went numb, and said I don't know. He tied mahatama with a rope and told him that i ll go ask my family this question.

He went up to his father and asked, would you help me in pro-lok? His father told him, i ll go before you and then he asked his mother- she said no. Then he asked his wife and got the same answer. Wife replied, nobody told you to steal and kill people to make a living.

When he got nobody helping him. He went in depression and asked himself- if no one is willing to help me that why i m killing people like this?

Then he went back to mahatama's and told him- I will not do such things. Mahatama asked him why? He said- no one will help me in par-lok. Mahatama told him you shouldn't commit these sins for people who is not willing to help you in parlok. He said - Satbachan and then asked- what should i do ? Mahatama's gave him reverse mantar of ram- Mara Mara to meditate. Then he meditate for soo many years and he got bhramgyan. He then became quite popularly known as "Rishi Balmik" who predicted ramayan and wrote ramayan 10,000 years earlier than ramayan actual happened.

Ik Hukmee Sadaa Bhavaa-ee-ah ||

Ones are those who were in sangat of hakumee(satguru, bhramgyani) but couldn't follow the bachans.

Gyani ji gives example from mulai sakhi - Siri Guru Nanak Dev Nirankar went to mullai's pind to ask for his well being. Mullai didn't want to meet Guru Ji so he told his family to lie and tell guru ji i m not home. Guru Ji went once and they said he is not home then he send bhai mardana to enquire about him. Bhai mardan went twice and he got respond - mullai he is gone. Guru Ji said, ok if he is gone then he is gone. Snake came where mullai was hiding and bite him. He died instantly. Then his family took mullai body to Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and requested guru ji please forgive him and Guru Ji said- now he will be forgiven in 10th form.

Gyani Ji gives another example of raja janak encounter with tapasvi who meditate on water. Raja Janak told him, he should do leave doing hard penances and adapt prema bhakti marg. This tapasavi, i promised God that i ll do this for 12 years. Raja Janak told him i ll give you fruit for 12 years of bhagti on water right now. This tapasavi didn't follow hakum and raja janak sighed and said- i guess you like water soo much, you will be crocodile for next thousands of thousands of years..dwapar yug will pass by and Siri Guru Nanak dev ji will give you mukhti in kalyug.

One day when siri guru nanak dev ji did udasi in lanka. He was walking on water. Bhai mardana asked him, what you walking on Guru ji? Guru ji, it's 100 mile long mach(crocodile). When Guru Maharaj went close to his face. With Guru Maharaj blessing this mach start speaking and said- please do kirpa on me, i have been mach since treta yug. Guru Maharaj told him , don't worry your life span is only 8 pahir - 24 hours. I ll sit on you and do jaap(meditate), you should keep repeating after me. This crocodile did exactly what Guru Maharaj said and finally he realised his path and went straight to sach khand.

Hukmai Andar Sabh Ko

Within hakum of Satguru, bhramgyani mahapursh everyone lives.

Gyani further gave example of Sant baba Sunder Singh Ji bhindranwale who were doing katha for 4 hours steady and no one moved. Upon enquiring how come sangat didnt move for 4 hours. He said in masti, after bhramgyan this whole parkriti(creation) is in bhramgyani's hand.

Baahar Hukam Na Ko-Ay ||

No one is outside satguru's, bhramgyanis hakum.

Gyani explains: how our senses are not in our control? However bhramgyani has controlled over his/her senses and others.

Nanak Hukmai Jay Bujhai

Person who understands hakum of satguru, bhramgyani. Person who can understand hakum- Nanak bhramgyani aap parmeshvar ||

Ta Ha-umai Kahai Na Ko-ay ||

Then person never talks in ego.

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tape 16 out of 81:

Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji recited:

gaavai ko taan hovai kisai taan ||

Who can sing glory of Vahiguroo??

gaavai ko daat jaanai neesaan ||

Who can sing on the gifts god gives? who can pinpoint how many gifts/graces one get from Vahiguroo?

gaavai ko gun vadi-aa-ee-aa chaar ||

Who can sing his beautiful virtues of him?

Sidhas asked, if vidvans(scholars) were fully succesfull to sing his virtues?

Guru Ji replied,

gaavai ko vidi-aa vikham veechaar ||

who can do vichar through- difficult/deep knowledge, upanishads, all granths on vahiguroo?

Gyani ji shares an sakhi of mahapursh- Sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale. How he came across with an skull once. Sant ji kept looking at the skull then he smiled and walked off. After sevaks enquiry why baba ji smiled. Sant ji told them, this skull once was- billionaire now his skull is in garbage.

Gyani said that even with that vidya of reading previous janams one cannot do veechar of him.

gaavai ko saaj karay tan khayh ||

Who can sing about how Vahiguroo made(saaj) and destroy the body ?

gaavai ko jee-a lai fir dayh ||

Who can sing his glory how he gives body to an soul then takes it back then again gives being to an soul?

Guru ji said- when we die, we have no clue where we going to go. But Vahiguroo knows that where to send for next birth

Gyani ji said in ahankar(ego) nobody can sing his glory but however in nirmata (humility), whatever capacity one gets, one sings about him.

gaavai ko jaapai disai door ||

Who can sing vahiguroo who seem very far from knowledge, sight senses?

gaavai ko vaykhai haadraa hadoor ||

Who can sing vahiguroo glory who looks at everybody and present every where yet we cannot see vahiguroo?

kathnaa kathee na aavai tot ||

Scholars have tried talking about him but his end never comes. He is endless.

Then sidhas asked if bhrama(creator), vishnu(perserver), shiv ji (destroyer) can talk about him and find his end?

Guru Ji replied:

kath kath kathee kotee kot kot ||

Million of Millions of scholars,bhrama, vishnu, shiv talked about him million of years and passed away. They couldn't find his end.

Sidhas asked: Did someone atleast sing his praises?

Guru ji replied, with humility.. everyone can sings his praises however nobody can sing his praises by thinking one day i ll find his end in ego.

Guru ji gave them example- how hans can fly 4 million km or how certain fish can travel soo long in the ocean ? But none of them can found end of sky or in ocean. They can feel pleasure by travelling. Just like that- Being can sing his praises and get bliss/peace of mind in humility but never cannot find his end.

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tape 17 out of 81:

In this tape, gyani ji talks about another different way of interpertating pauri according to each state of mind.

Guru Ji further recited:

gaavai ko daat jaanai neesaan ||

Some sing his glory by showing people- Vahiguroo gave me this gift.

gaavai ko gun vadi-aa-ee-aa chaar ||

Some sing of His Glorious Virtues, Greatness and Beauty

gaavai ko vidi-aa vikham veechaar ||

Some sing of knowledge obtained of Him, through difficult philosophical studies.

gaavai ko saaj karay tan khayh ||

Some sing that He fashions the body, and then reduces it to dust and then again gives body to an soul and then reduce it to dust.

gaavai ko jee-a lai fir dayh ||

Some sing that He takes life away, and then again restores it.

gaavai ko jaapai disai door ||

Some sing that He seems so very far away.

gaavai ko vaykhai haadraa hadoor ||

Some sing as if He watches over us, face to face, ever-present.

kathnaa kathee na aavai tot ||

There is no shortage of his glory those who preach and teach.

kath kath kathee kotee kot kot ||

So many million of millions of people had talked about him, are talking about him, always will talk about him.

Gyani ji goes back to previous verse:

gaavai ko taan hovai kisai taan ||

Some sing to gain strengh from vahiguroo then they get that strength in return.

Gyani gave example - How in history bachitar singh came to siri guru gobind singh ji to bless him with strenght to fight an drunk elephant. Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji gave him required "bhal" (strenght) to fight the elephant.

Also Gyani ji gave an example of sant kartar singh ji bhindranwale. How he used to 14 katha's per day and asked Vahiguroo to bless him with that seva. He used to visit each village and finish all 14 katha's in one day.

gaavai ko daat jaanai neesaan ||

Some sing to get daat of salvation, to see god in human form.

Gyani share sakhis of siri guru gobind singh ji.

How he was playing with kids when he was 4 years ago. There was pandit named shiv dutt praying to god in his mind that if siri guru gobind singh was avtar of akaal purkh then give me your darshan in form of siri ram chandar ji. Then voice came to pandit, said- open your eyes shiv dutt, here i am - when he opened the eyes- he saw siri ram chandar ji. He became soo happy that he bow down to his feet and then when he got up- it was siri guru gobind singh ji maharaj asking- pandit shiv dutt ji - did you get your darshan? Pandit shiv dutt ji was nihaaaaaaal hiii nihaaaaaaaaaaal.

gaavai ko gun vadi-aa-ee-aa chaar ||

Some sing to get virtues in them and then they get virtues in return from Akaal Purkh.

Gyani Ji gives modern day of examples- Bhai Sobha Singh (famous artist) was given virtues by akaal purkh who made such a heart-throbbing pictures of sri guru gobind singh ji.

Another example- Bhai Gopala Singh was given virtue to sing kirtan. When he did kirtan at darbar sahib, whole parkarma was full with sangat.

gaavai ko vidi-aa vikham veechaar ||

Some sing to get difficult vidya's(knowledge) ie- six types of vidya.

Gyani ji gives example from sakhi how dasam patsah blessed pandit with full astrology vidya upon pandit ji requesting. Then after many years, Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji was on his horse going to hazoor sahib and decided to stop at pandit ji house when siri guru gobind singh ji saw pandit ji- pandit ji still being old remember sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj and bow down to Guru Ji's charan. Guru ji told him, i was going by and thought i dropped by. Guru ji said to pandit let's see your jotish (astrology knowledge) and asked him- I am about to go meet auranzeb...will he meet me? Pandit with his vidya given by dasam patsah observed that and said- O King, this person will pass away before meeting you, what's a point of meeting him? Guru ji asked why? . He replied saying he is not meant to meet you, that his karam. If he meets you then all his sins will be destoryed but his karams are bad. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, yes that's way its going to be.. i just drop by to see him how much parkash you have by your vidya.

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gaavai ko saaj karay tan khayh

gaavai ko jee-a lai fir dayh.

Gyani ji shares sakhi of bhai taru singh ji who was in samadhi for 22 days even after his skull was removed. One asked, how come you are surviving like this? He replied, I ll take these oppressors with me.

Above sakhi reflects the above verse.

Gurmukh (guru oreintated person) being in this body, consider this body as ash/mud.

Gyani talks about how there are different types of people come to gurdwara- one who seeks materialstic and superfical things , one are those who ask for mukhti(salvation), ones are those who ask for naam di dat(intiation of naam), and then ones are those who only seek for his love ie-

Raj Na Chaho Mukht Na Chaho

Man Preet Charan Kamalaraie ||

Then there are 2 types of jagiaso(learners) 1. Saihkhami 2. Nishkhami

1. Saihkhami - Who does patt/prayer for wordly things.

2. Nishkhami - Who does meditation/patt/seva without any expectations or desires.

Gyani ji talks about how bani can be used by people with different state of mind.

From Nishkhami jagiaso state. They interpret gaavai ko saaj karay tan khayh as:

Some Sing to get grace of bhramgyan and then reduce the body to dust.

Then Gyani Ji explain how people of certain state of mind sing his glory. Gyani also gives an example to back it up from history.

gaavai ko jee-a lai fir dayh.

Some sing to get siddhi(power) so that atma can be taken out, put in different body.

There was this king name amaro who left the body. Gorakhnath Guru- Machinder Nath who had that power of taking his atma(soul) out, putting it in any body he wish.

Machinder came to know that king passed away. He start having evil thoughts. He left his body to enter king- amaro's body. Once he got himself into amaro's body. People who were happy to see their king back alive. Machinder by using amaro body start enjoying his kingdom- vishey bhog anand (sexual intercourses with mistress in the kingdom that amaro orginally had and also having different varities of food every day, getting full treatment of kings).

One day, when gorak nath came across with val kahndaie who was also an sidh. Gorakh nath wanted to discuss something with Val Kahndaie. Val kahndaie said, gorakh nath we should discusss later but first you should save your Guru. Do you have any idea what is he trying to do lately? He said, No. Val Kahndaie said, he is using dead king's body with his occult power to enjoy vishey bhog anand..such a low act, is this what sidhas suppose to do ? If he just wanted to have taste vishey bhog anand then he should have gotten married. Gorakh nath realized this and wanted to somehow save his Guru from all this. But mashinder nath was one step forward, he anounced by using king amaro body that there shouldn't be yogi allowed in my kingdom.

Gorakhnath then decided to learn an kala ( musical jori). After learning that art, he tied peace of cloth around his head and went near his kingdom and start playing this musical art. Within in that musical art he created a tune which sounded like- jag machindera gorak aie. When Mashinder heard this tune, machinder left body of amaro king, ran away and his body fell on the floor. Then Gorakh nath went right after him and said- I am really ashamed of your act. Being an such a great yogi, you start abusing occult powers and start using someone's else body for your own gratification.

Gorakh nath took machinder nath to Sri Guru nanak dev Ji and narrated the whole story to Guru Ji. Guru Ji said, i have already said- Ridh Sidh Avar Saad||, these powers one cannot give taste of naam... this is trap of maya(illusion). Then Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji told bhai mardana to pick up rabab sang following line to give machindera an right guidance:

Sun Machindera Nanak Bhole Vas Ghat Panch Karae Na Dole || (Ramkali Mahala 1)

Gyani ji says: some ask for this kinda powers. Vahiguroo gives all. However such thing have reverse effect on people's karam.

gaavai ko jaapai disai door.

Some sing to get distance between atma and paratama to disappear.

Gyani ji saying- if one sing that above panthikiti with that bhavna(desire) then one enters realm of nishkhamta. Niskhami person always ask to Vahiguroo that please may my soul merge with you.

Gyani ji further put an emphasis how satnaam vahiguroo is one but how there are different bhavna's(desires) in people who recite satnaam vahiguroo..one recites to desire for materialstic blessing, some recites to get occult powers but then there are some who recites to merge with paratama. Satnaam Vahiguroo is One, however people recite it in different levels of bhavna(desire).

gaavai ko vaykhai haadraa hadoor.

Some sing his glory to get darshan of him closely(haadra hadooor).

Gyani ji gave example of bhagat namdev ji who got darshan of vahiguroo 72 times because he did bhagti/recitted god's name with that bhavna(desire/wish).

Vahiguroo gives gift to all - rajo, tamo, satogunis.

kathnaa kathee na aavai tot.

If one were to discuss about him, there is no end to it. One will be probably pass away keep discussing about him but there will be no end.

kath kath kathee kotee kot kot.

Millions of people in back in million and million of millions of year have tried to discuss about him with million of other tricks but no one could find vahiguroo's end nor anyone ever will.

Then Guru Ji recited:

daydaa day laiday thak paahi.

Akaal Purkh kept giving to saihkhami person who gets tired or either pass away in course of receiving the gifts from akaal purkh.

Note- Saihkhami person -person who recites on god to get materialstic things.

jugaa jugantar khaahee khaahi.

Such saihkhami person keeps taking birth to receive such gifts from akaal purkh because they pass away in desire of materialstic things then they born again.

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Gyani Ji talks about how there are some people who first started off with asking the materialistic things however gradually they rise themselves above from that and enter state of nishkhamta(desire for nothing but naam from vahiguroo)

daydaa day laiday thak paahi.

Vahiguroo in form of satguru gives such people spiritual discourse, gurmantar, mool mantar, mala mantar, amrit intiation and maryada. After receiving such blessing, then their coming and going from this world gets fatigued and there is no more birth and death for them. They become Immortal.

jugaa jugantar khaahee khaahi.

Such people eat desires caused by thoughts, imagination. At the end there are no more worldly desires but only desire to meditation on naam and through out the juga, jugas they acculmate naam.

Gyani ji added jug in this context of pankiti means- difference between isher and jev atma gets destroyed through bhagti.

Tuhi Mohi Mohi Tuhi Antar Kaisa ||

You is me, me is you, there is no difference

Bhagat ravidas says:

Jab Hum Houtaie Tabh Tu Nahi, Ab Tuhi Mein Nahi ||

When my ego was there you weren't there, now you are there and my ego is gone.

Then what do they eat? Don't they have to eat food to get nourishment?

Guru ji says:

Thithai uvavh Na Bhuk Hai, Mann Charya Dasamaie Akash ||

Gyani Ji gives sakhi of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji not used to eat for 6 months steady. Bhai Mardana used to ask Guru Ji. Guru Ji - What have you eaten? don't you get hungry? Guru smiled, and said - Naam da Udhar. All hunger, thrist is gone once you have naam simran running inside you all the time.

jugaa jugantar khaahee khaahi.

So in conculsion above pantkiti can be interperted via three state of mind which exist in this world.

Vishey anand: There are sansari(worldly people) who does meditation to get materialstic things and upon getting, their desires keeps increasing which cause them take birth from jugs(4 ages through out) and they eat fullfillment of their desires (vishey/bhoga anand) and get nourishment from that.

Yoga Anand: Then there are yogis who sit in meditation for jugas (4 jugs/ages), they only eat yoga anand and get nourishment from that.

Then higher state is Bhrama Anand: In this state bhagats of vahiguroo sit in meditation for jugaas (4 jugs), they only eat bhrama anand (supreme bliss) and get nourishment from that.

Gursikhs then asked Guru Ji, if bhagats in higher state do anything else?

Then Guru Ji replied,

hukmee hukam chalaa-ay raahu.

Satguru, bhramgyanis, Bhagats under his command lead their lifes and also inspire people to walk on this path by giving spiritual discourses via patt, gurbani, amrit datt, maryada

naanak vigsai vayparvaahu.

Vahiguroo who is carefree gets more blossomed by looking at his bhagat, how within hakum they lead their lifes and inspire others to do the same.

Looking at the above tuk from worldy standpoint:

Vahiguroo who is carefree gets happy by looking at the tamasha(drama) of worldly people who comes to this earth by blessing of vahiguroo but have forgotten vahiguroo, instead they claim in ego- i have done something, i have done this and i have done that, it's all because of me, me, me.

Gyani talks about how Guru ji's talks about three types of jaiagaso- sansari(fully worldly, atheist type), saihkhami(remember god to get something), nishkhami ( meditate on god's name with no desires) in above pauri.

Gyani ji talks about- how pir of bhagdadh questioned Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji comment on how they are million of millions of realms (akash and patal). Pir said, mohammad sahib said there are only 7 realms. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said, it's simple.. one who has seen million of millions realm has narrated there are million of millions of realms and one who has seen 7 realms has narrated there are seven realms. Pir replied, i don't beleive in this. Guru Ji showed his son million of millions of realms.. his son was shocked and assured his father that- Guru ji is right, there are million of millions realms.

saachaa saahib saach naa-ay bhaakhi-aa bhaa-o apaar.

Sachaa refers to truth who is vahiguroo exist in four kal (aad/ever lasting age, jugud/past, hai bhi/present, hosi bhi/future).

Sahib refers to vahiguroo in sargun form(human form) after when god transcedents its attributes into creation.

saach naa-ay means vahiguroo names is also truth.

bhaakhi-aa bhaa-o apaar means even though vahiguroo has soo many languages or types of languages Vahiguroo can undestand yet one can only please him by one language which is language of love.

Gyani ji shares this sakhi of ramanand ji who was guru of bhagat kabir ji. There was one person who used to follow ramanand ji get spiritual discourse from him. One morning, when ramanand ji was going to take shower, this person fell on his feet asked ramanand ji please bless me with naam of vahiguroo. Ramamand ji said, is this time to give naam? There is time for such discourses. He insisted and said, this is only time i can get to talk to you then there are always people around you. Ramamand ji, in bit of anger said- Bhaja Luta Maranga means run away i ll hit you with iron vessel. This person was extremely innocent and ran away and consider this phrase by ramanand ji as a mantar. He started meditating on phrase with lot of prem(love) and sharda(faith) he had already. When he became fully enlightened, his popularity start increasing and he met ramanand ji and he asked - where did you get the mantar? He said, when i met you and you spoke- Bhaja Luta Maranga .. i have meditated on this. Ramananda ji start laughing and said that wasnt mantar. He replied, that's what i meditated upon considering that was mantar.

Gyani Ji re-inforces that it's not mantar which matters when it comes to love. It's only love language that can please god.

Jin Prem Kio Tin Hi Prab Paio ||

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aakhahi mangahi dayhi dayhi daat karay daataar.

Gyani Ji first talks about saihkhami people, from their standpoint- how they keeping asking for materialstic gifts from god and they get whatever they wish for.

Then Gyani ji talks about nishkami people, from their standpoint how they ask for sarvan(listening spiritual sermons) then following/acting upon on it. Vahiguroo gives them all gyans(knowledge) they ask for- Sarvan gyan, manan gyan, nidhasan gyan, Bhramgyan. With these gyans one is able to destroy three types of doubts- 1. Parman Gat Sansa 2. Parmaigat Sansa 3. Viparjaie Sansa. These doubts are vanished by Sarvan gyan(knowledge gained by listening), manan gyan(knowledge which is followed in one's daily life), nidhasan gyan (knowledge which is meditated upon) and then one gets to final stage bhramgyan (knowledge of bhram).

fayr ke agai rakhee-ai jit disai darbaar.

What gift can be presented in his darbar so that he can be pleased?

muhou ke bolan bolee-ai jit sun Dharay pi-aar.

What words can be spoken infront of his darbar that he start loving?

Guru Ji then replied to sidhas questions above-

amrit vaylaa sach naa-o vadi-aa-ee veechaar.

amrit vela means moment is free from death if we look at the deeper meaning of amrit vela. By sitting in that moment, one should recite akaal purkh's true name.

Guru ji talks about how they are different types of amrit vela. Guru ji talks about how one amrit vela starts from 12 am - 4 am, how human life which is given to us is also consider as amrit vela, how young age of this being is also consider as amrit vela.

Ram Japo Ji Aisaie Aisaie Dharu parlhad Japio har Jasaie ||.

When children is younger, his/her mind is fully cleansed. That's why that age is also consider as amrit vela. Then gyani ji talks about how javani(age before 45) time span is also considered as amrit vela because during that age, one's mind or body does not fatigued when meditating on naam or doing self-service(seva) for long hours. Gyani ji says, if one passes that age time span too without meditating on naam simran. Then one can also meditate in older age where all the worldy responsiblities are taken care of and if one starts meditating at that age, that is also consider amrit vela. Gyani Ji talks about how amrit vela can be also considered moment being in sat sangat & sadh sangat. Out of 24 hours, if one can meditate 24 hours then all that 24 hours becomes his/her amrit vela. Gyani ji- one has to look at deeper meanings of amrit vela instead of just certain time span because from 12 am - 4 am if one watches movies or go to club, one obviously will NOT get fruit of amrit vela.

Amritvela is moment of remembrance of true naam of vahiguroo, talking about(doing veechar) about his glory.

Gyani ji talks about how mind gets better concentration when one does veechar(discuss)about god and his glory.

karmee aavai kaprhaa nadree mokh du-aar.

When jev atma recites name in amrit vela just to get certain tasks done that is consider as saihkhami person. When Saihkhami person does karm(karmee) then he gets kapra(body)in reincarnations but there at times even saihkhami person gets nadar (grace) but not fully mukht even getting his grace because of his habit of having desires(vashnava) he takes births and dies, takes birth and dies, takes birth and dies and get into this vicious cycle coming and going. One can only go to sachkhand without desires. Then at one time saihkhami sikh gets birth where he/she does not have any desire left and get full nadar(full grace) with that grace - mokh du-aar (this being gets free from all nine doors in the body)

Raj Na Chaho Mukht Nah Chaho Man Preet Charan Kamalarae ||

Gyani ji talks about sakhi of maharaja patiala. How he has done soo much bhakti in his previous lifes with very well known sikh saints. They were sadhu in their previous life but at the end, his mind went astray and start wishing for kingdom with beautiful queens in them. With that bad sankalp(thought) he was given life of king who was famously known as maharaja patiala. Even then lot of famous sikh mahatama's respected him because they used to do bhagti with him.

karmee aavai kaprhaa

Gyani Ji talks about the same pankiti but describing naishkami sikh state.

Gyani Ji talks about how third guru did 12 years of niskham seva of Siri Guru Angad Dev Ji. Person who has done nishkham seva gets kaprha of prem.

Prem Patola Thisaie Ditta Thakuhn Ku Pat Meri, Danna Binna Saie Maddia Nanak Sar Na Janna teri ||

nadree mokh du-aar.

When full nadar(full grace) falls on naiskhami person with that grace - mokh du-aar (this being gets free from nine doors and gets full jevan mukht state).

Saihkhami person when happens to get nadar in future life times they only can only go to sachkhand by themselves but when nishkhami person gets nadar they taste state of jevan mukhti (liberated while alive) and they do take along millions and millions of people.

naanak ayvai jaanee-ai sabh aapay sachiaar.

Then one comes to know that akaal purkh is appaie app sachiar - vahiguroo himself is true and sab vaiyapakh ( resides inside and outside out of creation).

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