Nirankari, Radhaswami Or Namdhari?

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

Taken from his website:

He proclaimed that, “He who embraces Das Dharam shall be called DEV (Angle) and he will be spared for the cycle of birth & rebirths and shall merge with and become a part of SACHKHAND and abode of ALMIGHTY”. Das Dharam believes in the unity and love for all the creatures of God, as all the living beings in this universe are created by the almighty and have the right to co-exist. By virtue of divine powers He was respected by one and all. Many devotees had the glimpse of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Guru Nanak and Jesus Christ in HIM.

Which TRUE follower, Sant, Mahapurkh...etc etc of SIKHI and VAHEGUROO could make such HANKAARI statements??? - NON!!!

It are these FAKES that stain the REAL Mahapurkh's and these that should be stopped as the two Singhs in 1987 RIGHTFULLY did to "Darshan Das"... .....

Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!

[s s Jhamka]

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

dear sangat ji

Please watch out for this cult, they have always been propped up the agents against Sikhs from 84 onwards, this snake went into hiding now it resurfaces. Guess the snake and his chelas will go the same way as his poor dad and his leaches.

this is a cult nothing but the Singh’s who did the sewa followed them for 6 months plus in the 80's the sangat was well aware of the abuse of families this cult leader did. They use the Dastar and Sikhi surp for the disgusting purposes

i cud go on and list the crimes they have committed, but am sure the army of Akaal Purak will deal with them.

i had a chat with one of his chealas before too,

At least Darshan Das remained resolute till the end. Having received death threats for voicing anti Khalistani sentiments, he laughed and accepted death

A leader, incidentally, who greets his assassins with ‘ah bhai sajanah, kar joh toohn kar’n aiha’ (come my friends come, do what you have come to do).

Both off these above statements are lies like his fake guru, ive got the tapes off the day mate 

what a joker darshan dassie dnt not accept death when the Gursikhs put this dog out off his misery on the 11 nov 1987 he craped himself look at the pics in the des pardes he did a number 2 in his boxers lol Fact one ive listened to the actual tape of the killing u hear him screaming as well as the leaches that were with him who to got a one way ticket to hell.

This cult destroyed families across the uk, he was just a pharkandi like the other fake gurus, he thought the singhs in the uk wont do anything but bark at him, but alas 2 gursikhs couldn’t stand for the ninda of Guru ji and brought this pharkandi to his knees.

there was an article about the 2 singhs Bhai Sahib Manjit Singh and Bhai Sahib Rajinder Singh who tell the story how they followed this phankandi for 6 months looking at his evil ways and his black magic. They took full responsibility and didn’t once deny or regret his putting down. the singh's got 20 and 30 years they write in the punjabi press they are such amazing gursikhs i will get their life story for the sangat.

one more benti can we all do ardas for the gursikhs still in jail and one jaikara for Bhai Jagtar Singh hawara and the great escapees AKAAAAL

sukdev singh

akaal

deg tegh degh

never forget 84

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

Wow! You can get "Online Ashirwaad" from "Maharaz Ji" on his website!

http://www.satgurudarshandham.org/Babaji-Story.asp

Just under the pic of "Maharaz Ji" there’s a little link saying, "Click here for Blessings" and then the little animation thing starts with "Maharaz Ji" giving "blessings" on the screen and flowers falling down...etc…wow…

…That’s a new one, looks like you guys are ahead on the technology side of things compared to the Radhasoami's, Narakdhari's, Naamdhari's…etc etc and the rest of the cults.

Anyways, no offence to you or your “Maharaz”, but if you wish to start a faith PLEASE do not mix it in with Sikhi and take parts from it or “Hindufy” it and indulge in acts of “Bipran Kee Reet” etc...as you CORRECTLY stated:...

just to remind everyone if you are a Sikh than be a Good Sikh, if your a Hindu be a Good Hindu, if your a Muslim be a Good Muslim, and if your a Christian be a Good Christian.

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Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!

[Guest singh2006]

To all my brotha's,

Common guys, let's not forget what our parents and faith has thought us: Be respectfull to every1. Let's stop referring to people disrespectfully, even when you think he/she is wrong in your opinion. Give other people the chance to express their beliefs and respond to them in a respectfull way.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Went online to find out more about this darshan das and found a site: www.dasdharamonline.com Check it out. It looks quite interesting

Respect!!!

Mod Edit : Account Deleted Because you are Das_Lali. Double ID's are not allowed on the forum

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguruji ke fateh

Pyare jio, welcome to veer Singh 2006 and dimple. I notice both of you are first time posters. Whenever something like this is discussed, we find we are joined my many first time posters.

A question - Can you please tell me what darshan das gave his faith, cult or movement, dependant on perspective, which was not already there in Gurbani?

So please what did he give which was new and has stood the test of time?

You mention "nanak naam", yet the website mention nothing of Sahib Siri Guru nanak dev Ji, or His Charan pahul and his rehit. The rehit you mention bears little resemblance to what Sahib Siri Guru nanak dev ji teaches.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguruji ke fateh

[singh_comradz]

To all my brotha's,

Common guys, let's not forget what our parents and faith    has thought us: Be respectfull to every1. Let's stop referring to people disrespectfully, even when you think he/she is wrong in your opinion. Give other people the chance to express their beliefs and respond to them in a respectfull way.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Went online to find out more about this darshan das and found a site: www.dasdharamonline.com Check it out. It looks quite interesting 

Respect!!!

Mod Edit : Account Deleted Because you are Das_Lali. Double ID's are not allowed on the forum

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oh my days

[Singhstah]

sounds to me like sum1 needs their kirtan sohila done

[singh_comradz]

[singh_comradz]

Yeh, I've seen it azwell,

I was a little  @ 2 see him tho. He haz Hazur Maharaj infront hiz name wen i saw it ? Didnt think that was right. I mean I dont consider him az "Maharaj". . (sorry if I offended n e 1)

lol I no this don rel8 to the particular program but haz n e 1 seen the yoga thingy on the astha chanel be4 the 8.20 program ? ? ? Sorry but itz hilarious !

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala

Darshan Das himself stated on many, many occasions not to refer to him with any status e.g. as a Sant/ Guru.

(er yeah of course he did and did you know the sky is pink )

Firstly i would like to point out to all that are apart of this discussion that disrespecting others for whatever belief they follow, who are we to judge whether something is right or wrong only the almighty God can identify.

Many of us are aware of how globally fundamental religious groups have broken down basic respect for all God’s creation.

(and darshan das specialises in that hunna)

Think back to Sept 11th after this many Sikhs were targeted because of their appearance (the beard and the turban)…. Why because Muslim’s have beards and they also wear a turban. Just because the identity was similar did it mean the actions of these men would be the same?? – No it all came down to JUDGEMENT…….

(and your point is? )

I am not highly aware of many things the holy Gurus in Sikhism had done but I am aware they had struggles throughout the line of Guru Jee’s, some were captured,

(yeah of course you are, so which Guru was 'captured'? )

some were attached – my point is that others thought they knew better and tried to bring these Holy Saints down – but the truth overcame all of this and these Holy Gurus who fought these battles are our living proof that man has no judgement over a believer in God.

(yeah true, but then how about if they have a sole purpose of attacking and manipulating the principles of another faith, say for instance Sikhi? )

If an individual embraces in SadhSangat then this individual becomes united with All. Without Sangat their, would be no Gurus not Saint’s, no Prophets, no Devi/Devte.

( errr that didn't make sense to me, maybe some other learned members of this forum can try and elaborate on what you're trying to say...

as for the sadhsangat bit, very important. exactly what the Guru Granth Sahib emphasises )

DUiV iqn@w kI AGulIAY BweI sqsMgiq myil imlwie ]3]

dhhoorr thinhaa kee aghuleeai bhaaee sathasa(n)gath mael milaae ||3||

The dust of their feet brings emancipation; in the company of Sadh Sangat, the True Congregation, we are united with the Lord. ||3||

Guru Amar Daas Ji

Raag Basant

1177

Humanity has broken the link of uniting with Sangat the home of where a Guru resides. Das Dharam was created by Darshan Das Ji as a centre for people who wanted to mix with all walks of life under one umbrella this umbrella is of Humanity –

(and guess what, you can get sangat by attending Guru Ghar,

which no 2bit dera can compare too. )

Thus using the holy word from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji “Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala” “In the Name of the Almighty Do Something Good For Somebody Else In Your Life”. Seva – seva can only be attained when one acts doing a selfless deed, Das Dharam is a centre where Seva & Sadhsangat are held in the highest esteem.

(i know about 'Nanak Naam Chardi Kalla' being so, but hey i'm sure i've heard the seva bit somewhere before aswell, could it also be a principle of Sikhi? )

syvw qy sdw suKu pwieAw gurmuiK shij smwvixAw ]7]

saevaa thae sadhaa sukh paaeiaa guramukh sehaj samaavaniaa ||7||

Through selfless service, eternal peace is obtained. The Gurmukh is absorbed in intuitive peace. ||7||

Guru Amar Daas Ji

Raag Maajh

125

Quote singh_comradz”and what is a joke is that his puppet of a son is now going on the same level, maharaz tarlochan das or whatever your call him. hey maybe i'll put a white dastaar and chola on, you gonna start worshipping me..”

I think your source of facts is incorrect Tarlochan Darshan Das Ji has not placed himself on any level

(of course, and let me guess. he's not a 'maharaz' aswell.. )

but only to do a service (Seva), there is not just one way of doing seva e.g. serving Langar, cleaning our temples/ churches, dropping an old lady home so she doesn’t have to catch a bus at night (you get my point)/ singing hymns etc. These are all forms of seva,

(wow...i'm totally at his feet. tell me, im giving my car in for a service. ask him, can he also give me a lift aswell???? )

Tarlochan Darshan Das Ji is doing a seva of talking about Saint’s and God this is regarded as seva that any individual can do, but it is only classed as a seva when there is SadhSangat.

(anyone can talk about saints and God. like i mentioned before, i'll put a chola and white dastaar on and i'll do the same, again i ask you. you gonna worship me too..

as for the seva only when saadh sangat is there....i again didn't get that...so please do emphasise? )

As I have stated before Judgement is only for the Almighty to decide.

(of course, just how mr tarlochan will be judged also )

ijau BwvY iqau krih inbyrw ]

jio bhaavai thio karehi nibaeraa ||

According to Your Will, You pass judgement.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji

Raag Bhairao

1140

gurU ijnw kw AMDulw cyly nwhI Twau ]

guroo jinaa kaa a(n)dhhulaa chaelae naahee t(h)aao ||

Those chaylaas, those devotees, whose spiritual teacher is blind, shall not find their place of rest.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji

Siree Raag

58

rom the teachings of my Guru I have learnt to respect all of Gods creation.

(but has your master or his predecessor? )

If I go past a Hindu/ Sikh/ Christian/ Muslim/ Buddhist temple I will bow my head with respect.

(fair do's )

If many of you follow politics the thing Tony Blair has Started is that the policy of RESPECT. This I personally think is not for the youth but for all to have a think about?

(yeah and especially those das dharam ppl or whatever they call themselves )

So what Darshan Das Ji started Das Dharam –

(yeah so what, as long as they don't attack, try to divide, and copy some aspects of another faith like Sikhi hunna )

how many billions of people live in this world and very few individuals discriminate someone for their belief – where is the peaceful humanitarian democracy?

(yeah true, if only that darshan das fella would have understand this concept )

– we have governments who try to take control, why as God beloveds and believers do we say ones belief is wrong because they don’t follow what you do?

(true, and why do some of these neo-cults mock attack faiths they get all their ideas from, wierd innit )

Also Darshan Das/ Tarlochan Das/ Ds Dharam have never slandered the Holy Guru’s of Sikhism or any other Holy saints or Holy Prophets.

(of course and pigs can fly )

Quote singh_comradz

kUkr kUVu kmweIAY gur inMdw pcY pcwnu ]

kookar koorr kamaaeeai gur ni(n)dhaa pachai pachaan ||

Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire.

Again the Holy Almighty will judge this – if you believe that Darshan Das was as such – you yourself are practicing a false hood of hatred to a believer of God.

(hows that? )

Another small point that I was taught at Infant age was

(here we go...zzzzzzz )

“if I have nothing good to say about anyone, don’t say anything at all” I think it’s probably the best advice I was given.

If we can not do or say any Good then why say and do anything Bad.

(and what precisely have i or anyone with views contrary to yours said which is bad? )

Apologies if I have said anything to offend anyone. I believe that God is my Guru and is my only guide I can not discuss fact or fiction for people who are not willing to put negativity aside.

(appreciate the humble context, likewise but nothing personal though.

we're here to discuss fact, please do discuss AND PLEASE BE OPEN MINDED despite your perceptions of fact as negativity... )

God Bless all With Love and Peace – if not world peace then peace within ones soul.

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala

(yup peace to you, but i'm sure i've heard that saying somewhere before aswell )

[singh_comradz]

to tarlochans chelai

i would really appreciate this...

what is das dharam's view on

mukhti/salvation..

gurbani

reincarnation

true living

fake people who make themselves out to be sants/guru's

the Sikh freedom movement during 70s/80s and 90s