My Punj Has A Girlfriend And Is A Perve

[warrior_kaur]

what should the Sangat do in a situation where there one of the Punj Pyara's are having a girlfriend+boyfriend relationship? some people know now that there is a certain person who will not be named who is doing this seva in the Punj yet has a girlfriend. He is from Coventry in UK and has been in the Amrit Sanchar doing these Seva even whilst having a girlfriend at the same time. its very serious and many people have seen the two of them together infact they have even admitted, to one or two, other people that they are going out. There is much more bad things but that will be kept off the internet. if we try to tell one of hes close friends they just say "stop doing nindia" so what can we do. This person is seen a " CHARDI KALA" by a lots of people so they refuse to believe it but it is quite obvious.

[Shinda]

what should the Sangat do in a situation where there one of the Punj Pyara's are having a girlfriend+boyfriend relationship? some people know now that there is a certain person who will not be named who is doing this seva in the Punj yet has a girlfriend. He is from Coventry in UK and has been in the Amrit Sanchar doing these Seva even whilst having a girlfriend at the same time. its very serious and many people have seen the two of them together infact they have even admitted, to one or two, other people that they are going out. There is much more bad things but that will be kept off the internet. if we try to tell one of hes close friends they just say "stop doing nindia" so what can we do. This person is seen a " CHARDI KALA" by a lots of people so they refuse to believe it but it is quite obvious.

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This has always been a disturbing issue within the Panth. One of the grey areas that surround such things, is that many people in the Sangat, espeically Youth, feel that there is nothing wrong in general with such relationships, espeically when they arn't doing anything wrong..

Best thing to do is to legitazmize the facts, and then make such information available publicly to Sangat. So that they can decide for themselves wheather or not they agree, with this Singh's actions and if they really want to be part of an Amrit Sinchaar where he is 1/5 of Guru's Saroop.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

"stop doing nindia"

aaah yes the old nindiya line. also known as the last resort of pakhandis. You should stand up for the truth and confront the singh. Fisrt speak to him directly and clear things up. If that doesn't work involve the sangat. Don't let these people act like Mullahs who rule over the sangat, they are sevadaars, not dictators. a real khalsa would have enough humility to listen to a fellow sikh's complaints.

[SSM]

yes ok complain, talk to ppl and say what u feel.

I think if u date then get married else dont date, be friends and work things out.

But according to Panj Singhs depending on amrit sanchaar u attend, it is said that it is ok to find a partner yourself, i justt wandering if it is ok to hang out with that person for ages and not make anything formal.

Best to ask him directly, why not, he is in Panj Singh sewa so should be able to explain.

[gupt_paapi]

OMG NOT THIS AGEN.. dint u lot jsut talk abt him in tapoban and on SS lyk.. 2 mins ago??

sort it out with him urselves Forums wont help

anyways, wot ahst his got 2 do with him perving.. looks lyk u jsut aded it 2 fule he fire even more.

jsut sum observations

[Golee Maro]

this will keep coming up time n time again and yes had been discussed here http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=16659&st=24

but its been removed. And its Navreet Singh (Coventry) and Satnam Kaur (Handsworth Wood). Both should be punished...

He knows FULLY well what he is doing - they BOTH know fully well. They both fully know its against maryadha. They twist lines of Gurbani for themselves so it appears that Maharaj is with them... but it seems they r forgetting Maharaj is always with them when they do these putthe kamm.

This issue has been floating around for over a year now and it hasnt been resolved because they deny it to people when questionned but now its all coming out and they will have to reap what they sew.

[khalsa mero roop]

This is totally manmat. How can someone do punj pyare de seva, if they have no jeevan. If you lust on girls, that means you have no jeevan or naam kamai. You have to start again from the start. How can you do punj de seva if you have no kamai and spirtuality to transfer into the amrit. I am totally gob-smaked that these things can happen and action should be taken on these individuals. Having a girlfriend, especially whilst you are amritdhari is not acceptable. Parents or elder gursikh should find you future partner, not the individual himself.

[Sher Khalsa]

if you want to make an accusation. atleast give your own name...

you said hte other 2 ppls name in another thread... but now give your name to...

its easy to expose others , but atleast back it up with your name...

its easy to say stuff when you dont put your name on it and take responsiblity...

im not saying the singh in the 5 is innocent, probably isnt from what you are syaing... but if your brave enough to expose him, be brave enough tostate your name, so people can hold you accountable for what youve said, without a name, this is just some next tamasha

[N30S1NGH]

That's one of main reasons why panj pyara di seva is not for just mere "outer rehitdhari" self proclaimed singh, panj pyara di seva is sacred one and only truely meant for mahapursh, bhramgyanis because all the orginal panj pyares were sant/mahapursh/ bhramgyanis.

We all understand at this time and in the past, kalyug is at it's peak, it's hard to find real mahapursh these days, question then it comes down to,

is it really neccessary to have massive amrit sanchars (ie- amrit factory) where more emphasis is put towards quantity than quality(jevan of panj and jagaiso who are taking amrit)?

In puratan times, amrit wasn't given that easily at the first place (classic example- bhai fauja singh ji shaheed life story).

Jagaiso was given seva by panj for 6 months and time to learn gurbani vidya, bhram vidya, atamik vidya , historic granths then amrit was given if you just get lucky. Now days, panj pyares have to call the jagiaso and confirm if they are coming to take amrit? real sad state of affairs.

I will be straight up, it may sound harsh but in the words of baba jagjit singh ji harkhowale. He said in one of his tapes, what's the point of giving milk to the snake(malech). These malech are main reasons why panth is in dandi kalah. These malech (not any one specific) end up doing sacred seva of guru maharaj, pass their avguns(non-virtues) to other innocent souls to make them like them.

[Sher Khalsa]

and, people on ss arent gonna solve this situation, i recommend dealing with this in the UK in the local sangat, and have him removed from this sewa. call a meeting of singhs and have him answer for himself in guru sahibs hazoori...

interent isnt going to get u anywhere