Clash Between Science And Amritvela

[26th27thDecember]

sceince is science...and you should never take it as a FACT!...because science is jus discovering new things and doing researcd and finding out truth/or way things work in this world.

science discoveries etc change...they always have! you can even ask a proper scientistz..they will tell you that there is no such thing as a fact in science now these days!l!

sciencist have said this because they realized that NEWTONZ LAWS and other things that they thought were fact... are proven wrong so they say that they can;t say that what they found or discoverd about something is a fact because we are stuil learning/finding more about everyting... and universe things dont always work the same!

(we really dont know the truth about anything)

thats about Science not Gurbani!

about sleeping...you got weekend...sleep then. Your body will tell you when it really needs much sleep!

(i sleep a lot when im stressed out...and have a lot to do, but not when i have to do something fun!. :lol: thz something psychology explains well)

hope that helps and not confuses u! hehe

bhul chuk muaf karni

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru jiki fateh!

[singh-yo-dha]

Waheyguru Ji ka Khalsa waheyguru Ji key Fateh

As one of the vir g mentioned that science is limted , science only deals with five senses...with gayan inder-ree-yaa. But Gurbani is beyond that non the less a person needs atleast 6-7 hours of sleep because our Surat is still acttached to the Body/ deah. By Simarn/ shabad one can get out of body ...but this takes time and Kirpa of waheyguru ji. Step by step you will be there ,be patient. In day whenever you get time lets say 15 minutes do simran and ardas...after all everyting is under our father waheyguru jis control. Please forgive me ..still learning.

Waheyguru Ji Ka Khalsa waheyguru Ji key fateh.

[Jaspaul Singh]

Eventhough i dont wake up at amritvela .. been very lazy nowadays i dont know why .. but ill use gurmukhs examples to disaprove science reasons to have more sleep at that age..

i know one of my dads bhua (he has like 4-5 in india ) .. is like 110 years of age.. prob even more and she does bani like 24/7 .. very chardi kala .. and she all her life has told me she has prob 4-5 hours of sleep each day .. even less !! and shes 110 yrs old .. i dont see ANYTHING wrong wit her now .. she reads bani without glasses.. she does SEVA of washing dishes .. !!!!

Another examples are gursikhs as bhai sahib bhai jeevan singh ji .. my family had kirpa of doing his seva back in the 70's/early 80's .. he use to get up like 2am even before .. some people were like he didnt even sleep for those 2-3 hours people 'thought' he was asleep .. and llook at bhai sahib now .. enjoying himself with guru ji at darbar sahib amritsar :lol:

And there are countless more gursikhs we can all name .. imnaming just these just to prove that even at the age they reached they are STILL in that amritvela phase !!

So there .. science has been proven wrong by bani/sikhi :nihungsmile:

[One Man Army]

jus addition to last point made, people like Sant Baba Takhur Singh ji never used 2 sleep! dey'd rest der body for a bit, but never slept. you could hear the vaheguru swas coming from them. I also heard from a chardi kalla singh that one hour of propa simran (meditation) is the equivelent to 8 hours of sleep!!

[One Man Army]

power nap info:

So what makes a power nap effective? Think of it as an investment with the greatest return in the least amount of time, a kind of super-efficient sleep that fits nicely in a high-pressure schedule: say, between business meetings or in the minutes before a game.

Napping in general benefits heart functioning, hormonal maintenance, and cell repair, says Dr. Sara Mednick, a scientist at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies who is at the forefront of napping research. A power nap, says Mednick, simply maximizes these benefits by getting the sleeper into and out of rejuvenative sleep as fast as possible. No surprise that Lance Armstrong's coach, Chris Carmichael, says that "naps were critical in his overall training plan." In Manhattan, napping has become a lucrative business: MetroNaps in the Empire State Building provides darkened cot-like redoubts that attract Broadway actors between shows as well as investment bankers who otherwise would fall asleep at their desks. And in Iraq, U.S. Marine commanders have mandated a power nap before patrols.

Here's how the power nap works: Sleep comes in five stages that recur cyclically throughout a typical night, and a power nap seeks to include just the first two of them. The initial stage features the sinking into sleep as electrical brain activity, eye and jaw-muscle movement, and respiration slow. The second is a light but restful sleep in which the body gets ready -- lowering temperature, relaxing muscles further -- for the entry into the deep and dreamless "slow-wave sleep," or SWS, that occurs in stages three and four. Stage five, of course, is REM, when the eyes twitch and dreaming becomes intense.

The five stages repeat every 90 to 120 minutes. Stage one can last up to 10 minutes, stage two until the 20th minute. Extenuating circumstances, like manning the controls of a jet, aside, experts believe that the optimal power nap should roughly coincide with the first 20 minutes in order to give you full access to stage two's restorative benefits. In addition to generally improving alertness and stamina, stage two is marked by a certain electrical signals in the nervous system that seem to solidify the connection between neurons involved in muscle memory. "It's like a welding machine," says Mednick. "When you wake up, your neurons perform the same function as before, but now faster and with more accuracy," making the 20-minute nap indispensible to the hard-working athlete looking to straighten out his putter or baseline shot.

Mednick's most recent research also shows that power naps can lift productivity and mood, lower stress, and improve memory and learning. In fact, Mednick has found through MRIs of nappers that brain activity stays high throughout the day with a nap; without one, it declines as the day wears on. Tell that to the boss next time he finds you passed out at your desk.

There is, however, a pitfall in all this sleeping around. You have to carefully time the duration of your nap in order to avoid waking in slow-wave sleep. This can produce what's known as sleep inertia. That's when the limbs feel like concrete, the eyes can't focus, the speech is slurred, the mind is sluggish. Sleep inertia can ruin your day. You must keep the nap to 20 minutes or slightly less, and if you need the extra sleep, wait until the 50-minute mark. This will safely keep you on the power side of your nap.

Getting The Perfect Nap

Everyone, no matter how high-strung, has the capacity to nap. But the conditions need to be right. Dr. Sara Mednick, who will publish a book on napping in the spring (tentatively titled Take Back the Nap!, Workman Publishing) has some helpful hints:

1 The first consideration is psychological: Recognize that you're not being lazy; napping will make you more productive and more alert after you wake up.

2 Try to nap in the morning or just after lunch; human circadian rhythms make late afternoons a more likely time to fall into deep (slow-wave) sleep, which will leave you groggy.

3 Avoid consuming large quantities of caffeine as well as foods that are heavy in fat and sugar, which meddle with a person's ability to fall asleep.

4 Instead, in the hour or two before your nap time, eat foods high in calcium and protein, which promote sleep.

5 Find a clean, quiet place where passersby and phones won't disturb you.

6 Try to darken your nap zone, or wear an eyeshade. Darkness stimulates melatonin, the sleep- inducing hormone.

7 Remember that body temperature drops when you fall asleep. Raise the room temperature or use a blanket.

8 Once you are relaxed and in position to fall asleep, set your alarm for the desired duration (see below).

How Long Is A Good Nap?

THE NANO-NAP: 10 to 20 seconds Sleep studies haven't yet concluded whether there are benefits to these brief intervals, like when you nod off on someone's shoulder on the train.

THE MICRO-NAP: two to five minutes Shown to be surprisingly effective at shedding sleepiness.

THE MINI-NAP: five to 20 minutes Increases alertness, stamina, motor learning, and motor performance.

THE ORIGINAL POWER NAP: 20 minutes Includes the benefits of the micro and the mini, but additionally improves muscle memory and clears the brain of useless built-up information, which helps with long-term memory (remembering facts, events, and names).

THE LAZY MAN'S NAP: 50 to 90 minutes Includes slow-wave plus REM sleep; good for improving perceptual processing; also when the system is flooded with human growth hormone, great for repairing bones and muscles.

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

The way i see it is... i dont see no contradiction between science and Sikhi.

As previously mentioned science always change their theories.

However i would like to add that the Gurbani says theres two side of everything (i remember hearing about quotes from the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on this- it would be kool if sum1 could post them here- lol i dunno which ones they were).

E.g. alcohol has two sides aswell... its can be good i.e. makes you sococialise however Gurbani forbids us coz its overall bad for us... (i.e. kills living cells, lung problems etc).

Simulary Amrit Vela may have its bad points - i.e. get less sleep, however its overall more beneficial to us, otherwise Guru Ji wouldnt of told us, coz it for starters gives us more time in the day to pray and fit all our busy schedule in. Also when i wake up early at Amritvela i feel more relaxed throughout the day and i can hear my self reciting Gurbani without me even making a effort... which is really kool... coz i feel better and i know thats what God wants me to do to meditate on his naam/him.

Penji/paaji i think to make yourself concentrate more in lesson try to avoid too much TV (it can make u lazy, tired and more demotivated)

(lol- soz bout being too long, i cant control my self when im writing)

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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i dont watch tv but thanks for your advice everyone