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Dear LK,

thank u for ur interesting insight into your views. you are one of the view people involved in this particular topic, who seems to have the correct attitude and tone of 'speaking'.

as far as i have heard, darshan das has not ever slandered any of the guru's or insulted any part of the beautiful Sikh religion. i have read various threads on various sites like this where people claim to have 'recordings' of darshan das cursing sikhism and direspecting the SGGSJ. i no people who follow this Guru, and i have made up my own mind that what they acquire from this Guru is not wrong in any way, neither does it disrespect any part of sikhism.

i have read also that darshan das is 'supposed' to be linked with the indian govt. blah blah blah and other rumours. does anyone have any proof??? i really wana hear these recordings...i want proof as i believe... innocent until proven guilty.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh

Dear MissKaur, Thank you for your prompt response.

1 - If you go by the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' (which is ideally howit should be), but can you find hard-core proof of naxilites and Punjab Police being involved in the Movement to malign militant Sikhs? I doubt so. You can read and listen to what Militant SIkhs have to say, but you will not find much 'neutral' references proving that. Many victims have reported it. is there any official proof? Absolutely not.

2- I agree audio is fundamental, but since it wasn't very common at the time, I very much doubt there is anything such. One question tha arises is - why would they kill him if they had nothing to do with Sikhism? Are you trying to say they were 'mad nutter around to kill innocent people, like islamistic militants'? Because if that's the connection you are trying to make, it to me, dones't make a lot of sense, to be honest, having researched and read alot of interviews (and personally interviewed) several Militant Sikhs. They are very different

i am a very open minded sikh girl, who doesnt get influenced easily. i make my own mind based on EVIDENCE not rumours about .. he said/she said.

if Darshan das is slandering any religion then he is worng. as far as i can see and have heard....he has not. if this truely is the case, then those who slander him are the sinners.

I concur completly, but I don't see any reason why someone would decide to shoot a person spreading a peaceful and loving message. We don't see militants goign around shooting the naamdhari 'guru', do we? They could, I'm sure they'd have the resources to do so. Wouldn't be too difficult. Why don't they? naamdharis have attracted many Sikh followers, so why don't they? I refuse to believe they decided to shoot him and get a life-time imprisonment because he decided to start a new faith. Very much doubt that.

i no il have a surge of replies saying from others on this thread saying, that he has disrespected sikhi and he  brainwashes and takes peoples money. etc etc.....

PROVE IT...... ???

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

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1 - I completely concur that evidence is crucial. I'm sure a search on tribuneindia will give you loads of results. Just make a search on google and you'll probably find quite a few things.

2 - Having had researched quite a lot about militants, I have found extremely few cases where they might have shot some religious leader, unless they were a direct harm to the Sikh community and were openly tlaking bad about Sikhi, the Guru etc (Nirankari, and perhaps Lala Jagat Narain who wasn'ta religious leader)

It would be an extremely odd thing for a militant SIkh to shoot someone who has nothing to do with Sikhs. Would just be something one of those typically wouldn't do.

I will ahve to do more research into this before I respond next time :wub:

Bhull chukk maaf

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Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala.

Forget whatever we think with our own minds, because we might be wrong, so lets go with Facts.

Just watch sky channel 808 every day at 8.20pm until 8.40pm whitch is the time the Satsangs are shown.

Listen carefully to what is being preached, If you find any disrespect to any other faith, or anything else what "Wrong" in your eyes. Then type that here.

Until then just keep quite.

So now it's down to you guys to find proof.

Dhan Darshan

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This thread really sums up everything discussed here -

http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...c;f=10;t=000508

So what I understand here is that, just like the Nirankari Baba, Darshan Das, was responsible for slandering my Tenth Guru, and claiming to be an incarnate of My first Guru (pretty confusing, since both were one)

This reminds me of the Nirankari Baba, who was shot subsequently. Most Sikhs support him being shot. Not because he was a bad human being, but because he was slandering, and creating schism is society, something, it seems like, Darshan Das too was responsible of doing.

How can any follower of Darshan Das (claiming to be an incarnate of My Guru) be called a Sikh?

Followers of Darshan Dassi, joining this forum to protect their 'guru' seem to be quite interesting..

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Dear LK,

thank u for ur interesting insight into your views. you are one of the view people involved in this particular topic, who seems to have the correct attitude and tone of 'speaking'.

as far as i have heard, darshan das has not ever slandered any of the guru's or insulted any part of the beautiful Sikh religion. i have read various threads on various sites like this where people claim to have 'recordings' of darshan das cursing sikhism and direspecting the SGGSJ. i no people who follow this Guru, and i have made up my own mind that what they acquire from this Guru is not wrong in any way, neither does it disrespect any part of sikhism.

i have read also that darshan das is 'supposed' to be linked with the indian govt. blah blah blah and other rumours. does anyone have any proof??? i really wana hear these recordings...i want proof as i believe... innocent until proven guilty.

i am a very open minded sikh girl, who doesnt get influenced easily. i make my own mind based on EVIDENCE not rumours about .. he said/she said.

if Darshan das is slandering any religion then he is worng. as far as i can see and have heard....he has not. if this truely is the case, then those who slander him are the sinners.

i no il have a surge of replies saying from others on this thread saying, that he has disrespected sikhi and he  brainwashes and takes peoples money. etc etc.....

PROVE IT...... ???

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

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simply becos u r a newbie, i will regard everything u said as invalid. at first i thought u were someone who didnt understand what these pakandis are doing to sikhi and that u hadnt quite understood sikh principles,but it puts my mind at ease that u simply a darshan das supporter, at least then we can reply accordingly, there is no need for us to teach you sikhi, because u dont need a guru, uv got some guy who sits on a stage , whos claims to be spiritual.............. and regarding das kirpa, i dont think they wud put anythin against sikhi on tv, tv only shows his good sides, give ma a microphone and a stage i cud go on forever, telling you God is great, be honest, dont lie,help others.....................i cud tell u thousands of things which u already know........are you gona start worshipin me?...........................

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parwinder singh,

there's no need to be patronising and judge what MY beliefs are. whatever ive written is valid. i think i have great principles and lead a truthful life. i will be judged by god not by anyone else.

so id prefer if u didnt judge me or wat my beliefs are.

thank u

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

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parwinder singh,

there's no need to be patronising and judge what MY beliefs are. whatever ive written is valid.  i think i have great principles and lead a truthful life. i will be judged by god not by anyone else.

so id prefer if u didnt judge me or wat my beliefs are.

thank u

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

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Fatehji

ok, sorry for judging ur 'beliefs' lets let God be the judge then

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...wat is this forum promoting...SIKH YOUTH...MURDER/KILLING IS PERMITTED. well done...shabash. become a suicide bomber, fly planes into buildings. respect...??? respect for what...taking anothers life... u shud be ashamed of such praise. GOD CHOOSES WHO TO PUT ON THIS EARTH...IT IS HIS RIGHT TO TAKE A PERSON AWAY...not some mindless murderers. if this is what sikhi supports then I AM ASHAMED.

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Waheguru does as he/she thinks. In the times of the Gurus anyone who attacked the sikhs were met with force. Look at history books for confirmation. If one person or group ridicule the SGGS Ji then it is the duty of the Khalsa/Sikh to do what he/she have been permitted to do!

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PROVE IT...... ???

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

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Go and see him, but you seem to be a devoted chela already! :e:

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Go and see him, but you seem to be a devoted chela already!  :e:

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Pakandi baba 'internet wale' ji LOL.gif , isnt this darshan das taking ur customers away?

*gives a 70 pounds donation* *does matha tek*

d_oh.gifd_oh.gifd_oh.gif

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We work as a team, OOOPS i think ive said too much!

£70??? I'm looking to buy a £2.5 Million mansion in the countryside, you think £70 is a big enough contribution??

A larger donation please, and i'll guarantee you a place in Sachkand!

Spead the word! :wub:

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PROVE IT...... ???

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

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Go and see him, but you seem to be a devoted chela already! :e:

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I love it....no matter how many times this question has been posed on any forum....there never is any proof. u have no proof....ur all mouth, based on rumour....

so who's chela are u??? havent got any proof have u??? i dont think so no.gif

ignorance is bliss :e:

(ps: if u do have any tangible proof...please fwd it...some how i dont think il get it!)

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PROVE IT...... ???

Vahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh

159597[/snapback]

Go and see him, but you seem to be a devoted chela already! :e:

159724[/snapback]

I love it....no matter how many times this question has been posed on any forum....there never is any proof. u have no proof....ur all mouth, based on rumour....

so who's chela are u??? havent got any proof have u??? i dont think so no.gif

ignorance is bliss :e:

(ps: if u do have any tangible proof...please fwd it...some how i dont think il get it!)

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His father was annihalated for abusing the SGGS Ji, no?

But do explain why you need a breakaway group that chooses to use the Gurbani! Is the actual sikh religion set by Guru Nanak Ji not catering for your needs?

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