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I'm trying to find out as much information I can on this guy, I know of the evil he spreaded against the sikh religion but still don't know where he adopted Maharaz from. There many believers of him around the country even possibly India.

If you live in Birmingham you must have heard of the SND electrical wholesalers(Large business formed back in 70's by so called "sikhs") the main owners are followers of darshan das. What takes the mick is that these so called singh's, wear white paghs, and in their late 60's are seen wearing tilks on their heads.

A program is aired on Raj TV called "shaadi" it shows different background cultural weddings, really to show people how marriages happen in other religions.  I switched over to this channel while this program was on and came across the blokes from SND, at this wedding. The cam was on them for most of the wedding like they were getting married. If goreh are watching this program surely its sending them the wrong message about sikhs, its showing old "so called singhs" with tilks on their heads. Goreh and other race people must get confused, people like that are damaging our religion cuz other race people might get mispoint that singh's do this.

The truth is that "sikh identity" was ruined by people like darshan das, also do any of you also know the name of darshan das's killer, because he deserves a big reward and recognition from the sikh panth if he already hasn't.

In Punjab you hear of sikhs in pind's following sants or worshipping people for so called "good luck" only reason I can see them doing this is due to poverty and being poor which leads these people to look at changing their lives.

The Guru Granth Sahib is the only living Guru for the Sikhs. d_oh.gif

On the net i've only come across one main website on the topic of "darshan das", could you add to the post if you know more of this guy and what he did? :wub:

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Bibian that are falling for these fake sants!

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I don't see what the issue is. It is clear that militant SIkhs havn't been involved in shooting innocent religious leaders in the 80's-90's, and don't see why they would now. The Link in my previous post sheds some light on why they might have decided to get rid of him. You have completly ignored that.

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i do apologise, i havent ignored ur post above.

u have pointed out on why they have shot Darshan Das, but in the minds of the killers he was guilty so for that reason they shot him. and this belief of the killers and those behind it, is a personal belief and not based on solid fact ...ie: that he was bad mouthing Sikhi. so therefore in ur peoples eyes he was shot cos he was guilty of watever the rumours are....but the FACT is that.... you dont no that for a FACT....

apologies LK if that sounds abit wishy washy... its the end of the day!

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bhenji they attended his programs 6 months prior to.

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and...?

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How factual do you want it to be??

They attended his 'sermons' or whatever he calls them, they heard/saw him ridicule the Gurbani and they dealt with the matter as they chose to.

Now what on earth are you after? 'Fact' you can't get any bigger proof than going to see what he got upto for 6 months, can you? :wub:

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know that for a fact do u?? that they attended satsangs 6 months prior??? did they tell u personally....or is it something u heard from 'a friend's friend's friend's friend'?? grin.gif

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Think about it. Do you seriously think they would have shot someone on the basis of 'someone saying that he says something that some people don't like', or do you tihnk they actually listened for 6 months, making sure that those 20 resp 30 years in jail are actually worth it.

They sacrifised 20 resp 30 years of their LIFE to shoot someone. I doubt they'd do that on hearsay. Too much of a far-fetched theory. Any other theory Misskaur?

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it's a funny old world...anythings possible. maybe the murderers thought they'd get away with it...and not spend 20/30 yrs in prison. nothing's far fetched!

well where are u getting YOUR information from??? that wud be interesting to know. remember ur information isnt first hand....its secondary info heard from maybe...'a friends, friends, friend'??? arent ur statments and views based on hearsay?

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'Das Kirpa' You join this forum, after the creation of this thread questioning your 'guru'. How credible do you think you sound when you join a Sikh forum, in a rude tone, asking others to keep quite. I'm not sure whether you are familiar with the concept of a 'discussion board'. It seems like you seemed to miss that part, and unless you have anything valueble to add, I suggest you stay out of this discussion

...i think that the above satement also applies to most others on this forum. theres no need to take a miltant tone. obviously there are people who have views on this particular subject. but theres no need to be rude and sarcastic. if u can't avoid such a simple task, then it's best to terminate this dicussion.

thank you...

Miss Kaur

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Think about it. Do you seriously think they would have shot someone on the basis of 'someone saying that he says something that some people don't like', or do you tihnk they actually listened for 6 months, making sure that those 20 resp 30 years in jail are actually worth it.

They sacrifised 20 resp 30 years of their LIFE to shoot someone. I doubt they'd do that on hearsay. Too much of a far-fetched theory. Any other theory Misskaur?

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it's a funny old world...anythings possible. maybe the murderers thought they'd get away with it...and not spend 20/30 yrs in prison. nothing's far fetched!

well where are u getting YOUR information from??? that wud be interesting to know. remember ur information isnt first hand....its secondary info heard from maybe...'a friends, friends, friend'??? arent ur statments and views based on hearsay?

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the singhs who did this seva could have got away with if they wished to, they could have killed on the road, outside his residence wherever, but they chose to kill him in front of everyone so ppl can see that fake babeh cannot get away with mocking dhan dhan shri guru granth sahib jee,

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Think about it. Do you seriously think they would have shot someone on the basis of 'someone saying that he says something that some people don't like', or do you tihnk they actually listened for 6 months, making sure that those 20 resp 30 years in jail are actually worth it.

They sacrifised 20 resp 30 years of their LIFE to shoot someone. I doubt they'd do that on hearsay. Too much of a far-fetched theory. Any other theory Misskaur?

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it's a funny old world...anythings possible. maybe the murderers thought they'd get away with it...and not spend 20/30 yrs in prison. nothing's far fetched!

well where are u getting YOUR information from??? that wud be interesting to know. remember ur information isnt first hand....its secondary info heard from maybe...'a friends, friends, friend'??? arent ur statments and views based on hearsay?

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Before entering into this discussion, I suggest you actually look at the trend of the way Sikh militants work. For tha I suggest you read books by anthropologist which analyse the way these militants think, respond and act. Anthropologist that have analyzed and actually made the effort to interview scors of militants includes Cynthia Mahmood Kepply, Joyce Pettigrew etc.

Most militants who are out to get revenge, usually don't care about themselves. Again to believe that they would EXPECT to get away with it, after such a high-profile murder, is again extremely far-feteched, especially when considering the fact that it occured in Britain, and that it was Sikh militants who made the move.

Now, I admit, in this case my information isn't first hand, but from what I do know is that they followed him for 6 months and listened to his sermons before they acted. That is typical Sikh militant behaviour. I did not know about it before this thread was created, upon which I started researching about them. Their sacrifise is indeed typical Sikh militant beahviour, if they did follow them for 6 months and listen before acting. I did not express my views previously about them, because I did not know about it before. Their sacrifice was indeed ideal, since they carefully chose their target, and didn't want to risk killing an innocent. Read the books by the above mentioned and you will see how the militants planned and followed their target for a long time.

As has been mentioned, if their intention was to get away, they could eaasily have choosen antoher place at another time, but they chose to do it inside a school, a high-school, infront of everyone. Not in some corner. Infront of everyone.

...i think that the above satement also applies to most others on this forum. theres no need to take a miltant tone. obviously there are people who have views on this particular subject. but theres no need to be rude and sarcastic. if u can't avoid such a simple task, then it's best to terminate this dicussion.

thank you...

Miss Kaur

So far, I have tried keeping a calm and mature tone in this discussion thread. If I have not managed to do so, I apologize, however I still stand firm on my statement that one looses credibility when one joins a discussion forum, and starts asking people one doens't agree with to 'keep quite'. Very suspicious indeed. I have not ones restricted him from expressing his views, as a matter of fact I encourage him/her to do so, however he has failed to do so, and insteads asks everyone to 'keep quite' and watch 'aastha TV', failing to address the issues raised on the board.

I have tried to keep a friendly tone, and again apologize if I have failed to do so, however I do not think it is acceptable for a person to join a discussion board, not address the actual issues, and instead demand peopel to 'keep quite'. You talk about my tone, but completely fail to notice the rude behaviour of 'Das Kirpa'

There is a credibility and intention issue here.

We are now diverging from the original thread topic, and I feel that this is purposly done as a way of distracting a calm and mature discussion from taking place.

Bhull Chukk Maaf

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Think about it. Do you seriously think they would have shot someone on the basis of 'someone saying that he says something that some people don't like', or do you tihnk they actually listened for 6 months, making sure that those 20 resp 30 years in jail are actually worth it.

They sacrifised 20 resp 30 years of their LIFE to shoot someone. I doubt they'd do that on hearsay. Too much of a far-fetched theory. Any other theory Misskaur?

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it's a funny old world...anythings possible. maybe the murderers thought they'd get away with it...and not spend 20/30 yrs in prison. nothing's far fetched!

well where are u getting YOUR information from??? that wud be interesting to know. remember ur information isnt first hand....its secondary info heard from maybe...'a friends, friends, friend'??? arent ur statments and views based on hearsay?

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the singhs who did this seva could have got away with if they wished to, they could have killed on the road, outside his residence wherever, but they chose to kill him in front of everyone so ppl can see that fake babeh cannot get away with mocking dhan dhan shri guru granth sahib jee,

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'seva'??? grin.gif lol

this unlawful act did not deter the movement and from what i have read and seen it's evident in all four corners of the world.

now ur comments will be....'the people have been brainwashed' etc etc. we've heard all that b4, (yawn). there must be truth and contentment within the movement for people from all walks of life inc sikh, hindu, muslim, christian, black , white, brown to be following it.

so one could state that these 20/30 years in prison was for what...short term havoc? there mustbe positivity within the movement for it to continue almot 20years on from the 'sewa'!! (lol)

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'You talk about my tone, but completely fail to notice the rude behaviour of 'Das Kirpa'

There is a credibility and intention issue here. '

this post was not directed at anyone specific, but in fact meant for all (inc. myself)

sorry for any offence.

Miss Kaur

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Think about it. Do you seriously think they would have shot someone on the basis of 'someone saying that he says something that some people don't like', or do you tihnk they actually listened for 6 months, making sure that those 20 resp 30 years in jail are actually worth it.

They sacrifised 20 resp 30 years of their LIFE to shoot someone. I doubt they'd do that on hearsay. Too much of a far-fetched theory. Any other theory Misskaur?

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it's a funny old world...anythings possible. maybe the murderers thought they'd get away with it...and not spend 20/30 yrs in prison. nothing's far fetched!

well where are u getting YOUR information from??? that wud be interesting to know. remember ur information isnt first hand....its secondary info heard from maybe...'a friends, friends, friend'??? arent ur statments and views based on hearsay?

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where are you getting your info from or is ignorance bliss

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But do explain why you need a breakaway group that chooses to use the Gurbani! Is the actual sikh religion set by Guru Nanak Ji not catering for your needs?

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Care to answer Miss kaur? :wub:

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'seva'???  grin.gif lol

this unlawful act did not deter the movement and from what i have read and seen it's evident in all four corners of the world.

now ur comments will be....'the people have been brainwashed' etc etc. we've heard all that b4, (yawn). there must be truth and contentment within the movement for people from all walks of life inc sikh, hindu, muslim, christian, black , white, brown to be following it.

so one could state that these 20/30 years in prison was for what...short term havoc? there mustbe positivity within the movement for it to continue almot 20years on from the 'sewa'!! (lol)

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I'm certain if anybody else chooses to disrespect the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, they will meet with the same fate!

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'Das Kirpa' You join this forum, after the creation of this thread questioning your 'guru'. How credible do you think you sound when you join a Sikh forum,  in a rude tone, asking others to keep quite. I'm not sure whether you are familiar with the concept of a 'discussion board'. It seems like you seemed to miss that part, and unless you have anything valueble to add, I suggest you stay out of this discussion :lol:

You have again and again been asked if you claim Darshan Das to be the incarnate of Guru Nanak, and whether he has ever critisized our Tenth Master. I do not care what is shown on 'Aastha Tv' since you have failed to respond to the above claim. Unless you can deny that such a remark (about our Gurus) has ever been made, Whatever is said on 'Aastha TV' is completly irrelevant (Out of curisity, isn't this the 'Asthaa TV' that coincidentially started with their yoga classes at the exact same time as most radio stations do Hukamnamey di Katha? Sounds suspicious....)

Bhull Chukk Maaf

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'Das Kirpa' You join this forum, after the creation of this thread questioning your 'guru'. How credible do you think you sound when you join a Sikh forum,  in a rude tone, asking others to keep quite. I'm not sure whether you are familiar with the concept of a 'discussion board'. It seems like you seemed to miss that part, and unless you have anything valueble to add, I suggest you stay out of this discussion :lol:

You have again and again been asked if you claim Darshan Das to be the incarnate of Guru Nanak, and whether he has ever critisized our Tenth Master. I do not care what is shown on 'Aastha Tv' since you have failed to respond to the above claim. Unless you can deny that such a remark (about our Gurus) has ever been made, Whatever is said on 'Aastha TV' is completly irrelevant (Out of curisity, isn't this the 'Asthaa TV' that coincidentially started with their yoga classes at the exact same time as most radio stations do Hukamnamey di Katha? Sounds suspicious....)

Bhull Chukk Maaf

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Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhana Sarbat Da Bala,

To all my brothers who have poured out their hearts into this thread.

I am disappointed with my good brother singh_comradz as we have meet before and spoke about the same things, as you all know I don’t live in the Uk, so even this news takes its time to travel to me, but my dear brother singh_comradz you could have emailed me and told me you wished to discuss the teachings and misinterpretations that led to the death of our beloved Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji, and in response to my dear brother Lion(LK)King question which he asked my younger brother Das Kirpa, above the answer is YES, we truly believe Maharaz Darshan Das Ji was a reincarnation of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as it is told in Bha Ballas Sakkhi, and also the same divine power that was Krishna, Ram, Ali, Jesus and also Guru Gobind Dev Ji. Yes I know you all probably think I have lost the plot, but this is the truth either you can accept it or ignore it, and if you all come back to argue about this with me, that’s fine as I will think you could not even be bothered to read what else I have to say.

The reason why He was shot was quite simply that he took a stand against Khalistan, as He said:” if my beloved Lord Guru Gobind Dev Ji did not create this nation then who are we but mere mortal men to do this in His name”. He did not say anything wrong against the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, as he held it in the highest respect as He did with all scriptures of all faiths, and this is even practiced today, as we have Akhand Paths on our special days, and also celebrate every faiths special day, may that be Easter, Eid, Janam Namshtav or Viaskhi. Even I respect the two young Sikhs who came to pay my Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji a visit on the night of November 11th, as this was there destiny to do this, sadly this will not be reflected in history, just as the names of the soldiers who whipped our Lord Jesus Christ are no longer known, as they say its in not the name of the assassin that is remembered with respect but of the one who was assassinated, so they have done a great service to us, as they have immortalized my Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji, and for this I cant thank them enough.

We believe in unity on all levels as all men are created equal, we have a sangat that spans all four corners of the globe and represents people of all walks of life and faiths, as we are not here to convert anyone from their own belief or to impose our own faith on them but we want to help people practice what they believe in, and respect humanity as this is the foundation of being a true sevak of any faith. We can all sit here and preach to each other and compare how we are better etc, but how many of us stick to and practice what we believe in everyday and aspects of our lives, i.e. the simple things like being honest even to the point of ‘if I lose my head over what I know is true than so be it’ or simply helping others or doing good for a complete stranger, like helping a old woman cross the street, or giving a lift to a stranger, and most importantly expecting nothing in return. We can do all these things for our loved ones as they are dear to us, but how many of you will say: ’Yes, I try and do something good for someone else everyday of my life, and to be humble and honest.’ I would be surprised if there was even one of us here to say that.

The saddest thing is why you think or believe we are Sikhs, or Maharaz Darshan Das Ji or even Hazur Tarlochan Das Ji has ever said they were a Sikh? We are simply a Das, a servant of humanity. Please do not get us confused as we are not here to say we are right or your are wrong, but we all walk the same path to Gods true Sachkand. However we all take our own journey in reaching it.

Even our dearly beloved Guru Nanak Dev Ji said He has come for everyone just as did His Holiness Jesus Christ, as they came to deliver a simple message of peace, love , unity, humanity and most importantly One God (Ek Onkar). It’s a shame how us weak people forget this simple message and we all think we know better and build great Churches, Mandirs, Mosques or Gurdwara, and we begin to preach what we think is right, and forget what we should be teaching. Even if in some places the true word of the Lord Almighty is taught the moment we leave such places of worship everything we learned pours out of our ears, as we got lost in the false world of Maya, falsehood, pretence, lies and temptations.

Well for now I have said more than enough and I am sure after I return from my long weekend there will be more than a handful of response that will be directed at me, so if you don’t hear from me until Monday or even Tuesday at the latest don’t worry as just to busy to come back to you.

I wish you all well and until the next time

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhana Sarbat Da Bala.

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Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhana Sarbat Da Bala,

To all my brothers who have poured out their hearts into this thread.

I am disappointed with my good brother singh_comradz as we have meet before and spoke about the same things, as you all know I don’t live in the Uk, so even this news takes its time to travel to me, but my dear brother singh_comradz you could have emailed me and told me you wished to discuss the teachings and misinterpretations that led to the death of our beloved Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji, and in response to my dear brother Lion(LK)King question which he asked my younger brother Das Kirpa, above the answer is YES, we truly believe Maharaz Darshan Das Ji was a reincarnation of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as it is told in Bha Ballas Sakkhi, and also the same divine power that was Krishna, Ram, Ali, Jesus and also Guru Gobind Dev Ji. Yes I know you all probably think I have lost the plot, but this is the truth either you can accept it or ignore it, and if you all come back to argue about this with me, that’s fine as I will think you could not even be bothered to read what else I have to say.

The reason why He was shot was quite simply that he took a stand against Khalistan, as He said:” if my beloved Lord Guru Gobind Dev Ji did not create this nation then who are we but mere mortal men to do this in His name”. He did not say anything wrong against the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, as he held it in the highest respect as He did with all scriptures of all faiths, and this is even practiced today, as we have Akhand Paths on our special days, and also celebrate every faiths special day, may that be Easter, Eid, Janam Namshtav or Viaskhi. Even I respect the two young Sikhs who came to pay my Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji a visit on the night of November 11th, as this was there destiny to do this, sadly this will not be reflected in history, just as the names of the soldiers who whipped our Lord Jesus Christ are no longer known, as they say its in not the name of the assassin that is remembered with respect but of the one who was assassinated, so they have done a great service to us, as they have immortalized my Lord Maharaz Darshan Das Ji, and for this I cant thank them enough.

You have speaken much about Guru Gobind Singh ji, however you have competly failed to mentined the massacre, carnage, atrocities of Sikh in India during the 1980's. Sikh at the time did not run around crying 'Khalistan Khalistan' just because it gave them a 'kick', or they 'enjoyed doign it'. Most of those who did run around crying that had to suffer for it. They went to jail. Were tortured. The reason they did it was because they could not stand the amount of oppression against Sikhs since independence. You talk a lot about Darshan Das being an incarnation of the Gurus, yet he failed miserably to raise his voice. How can he reflect Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Guru Nanak Dev Ji, called the ruler at the time Babar, 'Zabar', tyranny. Where was this Darshan Das, when hudnreds of thousands Sikhs in India were being looted, tortured, Sikh women raped, sexually harrassed. Where was your Darshan Das? Was he sleeping? Was Darshan Das crying out against the Government in the oppression?

We believe in unity on all levels as all men are created equal, we have a sangat that spans all four corners of the globe and represents people of all walks of life and faiths, as we are not here to convert anyone from their own belief or to impose our own faith on them but we want to help people practice what they believe in, and respect humanity as this is the foundation of being a true sevak of any faith. We can all sit here and preach to each other and compare how we are better etc, but how many of us stick to and practice what we believe in everyday and aspects of our lives, i.e. the simple things like being honest even to the point of ‘if I lose my head over what I know is true than so be it’ or simply helping others or doing good for a complete stranger, like helping a old woman cross the street, or giving a lift to a stranger, and most importantly expecting nothing in return. We can do all these things for our loved ones as they are dear to us, but how many of you will say: ’Yes, I try and do something good for someone else everyday of my life, and to be humble and honest.’ I would be surprised if there was even one of us here to say that.

The saddest thing is why you think or believe we are Sikhs, or Maharaz Darshan Das Ji or even Hazur Tarlochan Das Ji has ever said they were a Sikh? We are simply a Das, a servant of humanity. Please do not get us confused as we are not here to say we are right or your are wrong, but we all walk the same path to Gods true Sachkand. However we all take our own journey in reaching it.

Even our dearly beloved Guru Nanak Dev Ji said He has come for everyone just as did His Holiness Jesus Christ, as they came to deliver a simple message of peace, love , unity, humanity and most importantly One God (Ek Onkar). It’s a shame how us weak people forget this simple message and we all think we know better and build great Churches, Mandirs, Mosques or Gurdwara, and we begin to preach what we think is right, and forget what we should be teaching. Even if in some places the true word of the Lord Almighty is taught the moment we leave such places of worship everything we learned pours out of our ears, as we got lost in the false world of Maya, falsehood, pretence, lies and temptations.

Well for now I have said more than enough and I am sure after I return from my long weekend there will be more than a handful of response that will be directed at me, so if you don’t hear from me until Monday or even Tuesday at the latest don’t worry as just to busy to come back to you.

I wish you all well and until the next time

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhana Sarbat Da Bala.

Guru Satgur ka jo Sikh akhay

A das, slave, servant of the Guru IS A SIKH, but you have resorted to following a apostle, instead of following the true Guru.

hir so hIrw Cwif kY krih Awn kI Aws ]

har so heeraa shhaadd kai karehi aan kee aas ||

Forsaking the Diamond of the Lord, the mortals put their hopes in another.

qy nr dojk jwihgy siq BwKY rivdws ]242]

thae nar dhojak jaahigae sath bhaakhai ravidhaas ||242||

Those people shall go to hell; Ravi Daas speaks the Truth. ||242||

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