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They could have sought a stay on the courts decision but they did not. Who's fault is that ? If they can build those large houses then I am sure they could have filed a counter case to seek stay. Any advocate can file a counter case, it does not cost much.

Please stop propagandizing and outright lying. You obviously seems to have some kind of personality clash with Sikhs who fight and consider there rights. For your lies it is no good debating just for your sake of ego tumping. The uttranchal High court court refused to accept the stay order filed by the Sikhs and other lower class hindus. Why? Even the SC said that the staus quo of the farmers must be maintained and not be uprooted but NO they were.

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Please also read the Land Tenancy law. The zaminidari land was given to many peasants on the basis of their work and so were other lands.

More info

http://www.indianchild.com/india_land.htm

It wouldn't be surprising to see the same land taken from sikhs been give to industrialists at a dirt cheap price.

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Here we go. Where is the personality clash ? Yes I have a corrected the original replies and stated that there were non Sikhs involved as well. But as usual certain people get agitated as their propaganda has been exposed.

What stopped them taking the matter further ? Did the SC give an actual judgement ? If it did then the Uttaranchal sarkar has defied the judgement, go file a PIL against the Uttaranchal sarkar if you are so concerned.

I guess you know more than anyone about land rights. You better tell all those NRI in Punjab who complain about their restidar taking their land that they have lost their rights to the land due to the 12 year rule. I have had my eye on a nice orchard in Himachal for a while I guess I better shift there for 12 years and claim it. I suggest you look at actual reality of what happens in Punjab.

>>It wouldn't be surprising to see the same land taken from sikhs been give to industrialists at a dirt cheap price.

Once again propaganda. This happens all the time and is not limited to Sikh farmers. But hey all non Sikhs are not human so we must ignore their plight so we can continue our rants about everyone being anti Sikh. Its ok to ignore all those farmers around bangalore who had land forcibly bought by the government at low prices for it to be gifted to IT companies.

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Kurtas ji,

Tell me one thing that when these SIKH farmers bought land they should have registered the land in their names in court and if yes then whose responsibility it is to enforce legal land ownership transfer from ESCORT to these SIKH (no hindu) farmers? Goverenment took their registration fees without cross-referencing the legality of the deals Isn't it the responsibilty of COURT of LAW to enforce legal deals without any duress?

On one side govt. take fees and transfer ownership to these innocent, hardworking farmers and later wack their asses for saying it is disputed land so they cannot own it.

Why govt. used so much hatered and media to show the beating and chasing of innocent SIKH farmers thru their own fields?

Why isn't any official punished for selling disputed land to these SIKH farmers?

Why was it realized NOW not back then when land was sold?

Why only in the month of JANUARY? and not in ANUGUST or later that these innocent people were chased out from there homes to live out in COLD and freezing nights?

Why wasn't due course of law followed to generate a NOTICE of purposed action on these farm land POSTED or DISTRIBUTED to media so that these people be aware of such eviction that it is bound to happen?

I can go on and on but I guess you are one of those people who do not care about honor and respect of SIKHs in INDIA and around the world so, it is useless to argue with you and I think WE SHOULD IGNORE YOU as much as we can.

May Waheguru ji bless you with SANGAT of GURMUKHs.

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May Waheguru ji bless you with SANGAT of unbiased GURMUKHs.

You ever heard of Caveat emptor. Latin for 'let the buyer beware' ?

This is not limited to India, watch a few of those property programs about buying property overseas and you will understand it is up to the buyer to check the legality of everything. Part of checking the legality involves making sure the land is not subject to dispute/litigation.

I can easily go to turkish occupied cyprus and buy land and property. Only trouble is after the greek cypriots can take me to court. If you buy a house and fail to get a coal board report and later find there is a mine shaft in your garden, whos fault is that ?

This is not a Sikh issue so stop trying to politicise it as one. It is rather sad that you ignore all the others victims so you can make your unfounded allegations.

>>it is useless to argue with you and I think WE SHOULD IGNORE YOU as much as we can.

Ignore me it does not bother me in the slightest. Ignorance is a great thing. If we dont like the truth we can simply ignore it. Rather like the GOI and the 84 genocide victims who have been ignored for over 20years.

Prove this was a Sikh only issue and I will happily accept it. The fact that the SGPC fact finding committee themselves admitted there were non Sikh victims just dents your biased proclamations.

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Veer ji, do not ignore the facts as it seems. Okay, you say non sikh were also affected then I add those to my comment but you so wrong about those verifying the legalities of land purchase in this particular issue as it was put up for sale by government and can you tell me if anything has been done against those officials who pocketed money and now these innocent farmers are suffering.

Why do people from punjab can not purchase land anywhere in india? on the other side of this the biharis/himachalis, haryanvis are allowed to purchase properties in punjab and get ration card proclaiming themselves as residents of Punjab?

Why Badal lied to these people? on what grounds should one trust SGPC?

You mentioned victims of 84 being ignored and YES they are being ignored by Badal controlled party. He was CM he could have done alot for these people but he was busy with other plans.

I do not have to prove anything to anyone as facts speaks for themselve and if someone just don't want to admit it then I can not do anything but to be sorry for that person.

Sorry, if I have offended you and raised your anger as it is not my intention to provoke hatered but to lay the simple facts and brotherhood.

Stay in chardikalaaaaaa jio

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Veer ji, do not ignore the facts as it seems. Okay, you say non sikh were also affected then I add those to my comment but you so wrong about those verifying the legalities of land purchase in this particular issue as it was put up for sale by government and can you tell me if anything has been done against those officials who pocketed money and now these innocent farmers are suffering.

Why do people from punjab can not purchase land anywhere in india? on the other side of this the biharis/himachalis, haryanvis are allowed to purchase properties in punjab and get ration card proclaiming themselves as residents of Punjab?

Why Badal lied to these people? on what grounds should one trust SGPC?

You mentioned victims of 84 being ignored and YES they are being ignored by Badal controlled party. He was CM he could have done alot for these people but he was busy with other plans.

I do not have to prove anything to anyone as facts speaks for themselve and if someone just don't want to admit it then I can not do anything but to  be sorry for that person.

Sorry, if I have offended you and raised your anger as it is not my intention to provoke hatered but to lay the simple facts and brotherhood.

Stay in chardikalaaaaaa jio

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From what I have read about this issue from various sources the land was sold by the original owner Mr PN Mehta at reduced price when he was given notice under the Land Ceiling Act 1972. I still say Caveat emptor applies just as it does everywhere else in the world.

Badal is a like a chameleon hence why he backtracks and tells lies. I totally agree about the 84 genocide victims. They were ignored by Badal and when the recent commission report was published he used it for his own political agenda. He did nothing for the victims when he was part of the NDA. All he and caca Sukhbir did was hoard as much wealth as they could.

As for Punjabis not being able to buy land anywhere in India that is another lie. Just over the last few years farmers from the Malwa area have been buying up farmland around Sirsa in Haryana without any problem. Just as a Punjabi cannot but land in Rajasthan or Himachal neither can a Haryanvi (or any outsider) buy land in those states. So it is not just applied to Punjabis. Also Punjabis can buy as much land as they want in Madhya Pradesh and land in and around Delhi.

I partially agree about non Punjabis and ration cards but you have to understand that most of those given ration cards are poor migrants and with these ration cards they can buy foodstuff at reduced prices. I would not want anyone to starve to death due to not having a ration card. A more important point is that they should get no voter ID card or have any right to vote in Punjabi elections. The Punjabi politicians are rather weak on this issue as these migrant votes are easier to buy up at election time.

Dont worry about my anger, I am not easily offended and it is very rare for me to get upset or angry. I do not like reading half truths or propaganda that uses religion but even that does not get me angry.

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kurtas has some good points, this is not really a sikh issue. If there was hindu's also being kicked out, then this not just an attack on sikhs.

It's sad to see this happen, however, one should expect to move from from land that will eventually be taken back.

as for the video, that is something i would like too know...

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wjkf,

bindy pajji can u tell me what good points kurta made. i just want a short summary so i can reply to him.I am not good in reading kurta's english,i think he is a professor. mehnu english thodi aundi hai because i never goto my english class. :T:

kurtas has some good points, this is not really a sikh issue. If there was hindu's also being kicked out, then this not just an attack on sikhs.

It's sad to see this happen, however, one should expect to move from from land that will eventually be taken back.

as for the video, that is something i would like too know...

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wjkf,

bindy pajji can u tell me what good points kurta made. i just want a short summary so i can reply to him.I am not good in reading kurta's english,i think he is a professor. mehnu english thodi aundi hai because i never goto my english class. :T:

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Well... i understand the obvious anger from these clips, heck, it even made em a little angry inside, however Kurtas sis raise a point about the land being in "limbo" or "uncertain" from the beginning of the purchase. It should be noted to anyone buying a piece of property that might taken back at one point should be prepared to move out.

To make matter worse, since the courts could have been involved, yet and no legal action was taken, the results ended up being hard, yet not surprising. From waht kurtas presented, it sounds as if the land was not stable in the fist place.

What made me wonder about the video, is that why was their no video shots of the other ppl (hindu's) involved?

mind you.. that's just my opinion...

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even if land is subject to litigation; even if you dont own the land; and even if you are on land illegally, under english law you still might have rights over the land

i suggest you read english land law books

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We are not talking about adverse posession. These people were not squatters. They bought land that was subject to litigation.

If you are thinking about adverse possession then things are not as clear cut as you think they are. I suggest you take a look at the ruling of the European court of human rights in Strasbourg in November 2005. (Pye v Graham)

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