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This explains the question of many sangat by R_K bhanjee/veer:

but japmans veer, kes is a given...i mean, it's already on your body, it's not something that you buy from khalsa school and put on your body.. it's already naturally there..

Kirpans strictly reserved for Amritdharees..

The thing we should discuss : Was there such a thing : amritdharee sikh and non-amritdharee sikh during guru jees time?? Cauz after 1699 Guru sahib jee said to all sikhs to get amrit to be a Sikh... That means every sikhs should be amritshak.. if one isn't then why he/she should pretend to be a sikh? Keeping a kirpan doesn't mean that one only has to keep the item with his/her body.. Keeping kipran means keeping the rehit of doing 7 bania daily, amrit vella naam simran, following all teachings of guru sahib and so many other things...

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I agree with S1ngh veera there.

Another point, to the Vir ji's and Penjis who say the 5ks are equaly important and should be worn all the time even if one is not amritdhari- then why is OK if a mona whears a Kara but wrong when he/she wears a Kirpan? This obviosly means that the Kirpan probably signifies more importance than the other 4K's because a Singh or a Kaur wearing it are potraying to the society that they are Guru Gobind Singh Ji's soldior.

Because of this I conclude a Kirpan should only be worn by the pure soldior-'the khalsa' therefore you must be amritdhari to wear a Kirpan

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Well if you cant be a pure soldier you should not take amrit.

you can only be a pure soldier once youve become a pure saint and follow ALL the rehat....so its not necissarily just an amritdhari. Coz I could just tkae amrit and sit around all day doing nothing, and that does not make me a sant sipahi hanna.

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Well if you cant be a pure soldier you should not take amrit.

you can only be a pure soldier once youve become a pure saint and follow ALL the rehat....so its not necissarily just an amritdhari. Coz I could just tkae amrit and sit around all day doing nothing, and that does not make me a sant sipahi hanna.

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Veerjee look at this way.. yeah one can become soldier without the amrit.. look at all the non-sikh american amry etc.

Becoming the soldier part is easy, but being soldier and the sant part is tough.. That's where amrit is.. Amrit gaves u both soldier and SANT roop and if it's followed by pure heart then one can be able to fight Sava Lakh !!! Sipaheey without sant part is pretty useless and that's not what our guru jees is looking for.. He is looking for both !

Warrior without Gurbani is nothing but just a moorakh !

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Becoming the soldier part is easy, but being soldier and the sant part is tough.. That's where amrit is.. Amrit gaves u both soldier and SANT roop and if it's followed by pure heart then one can be able to fight Sava Lakh !!! Sipaheey without sant part is pretty useless and that's not what our guru jees is looking for.. He is looking for both !

yeh, exactly, its useless being just a soulja on its own .... but we need 2 take amrit to be a sant sipahee init

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Esactly. Untill we are not sant and sipahee, we should not wear the Kirpan. What I meant by the Pure Soldier was the 'Khalsa' Soldier. And the true Khalsa is the one who is a sant and sipahee.

Therefore the Kirpan should only be worn by Amrithdhari Sikhs

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The Kirpan is an emblem of courage and adventure. In order to have self-respect, the Khalsa should maintain the means to vindicate his honour. The sword is to be used for the defence of others and not for offence. From the possession of a sword comes the Khalsa Panth to be a brotherhood of arms.

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Veer ji, I think you are taking the words too literally.

Why question if an amritdhari Sikh should wear a kirpan, when Guru Jee has himself stated, (as well as being in the Reht Maryada) that EVERY Amritdhari Gursikh MUST wear a Kirpan as well as the Kara, Kashera, Kanga and Kesh.

On the issue of non-amritdhari's wearing a kirpan (as well as the other kakaars), I feel that if a Sehjdhari (someone who keeps their kesh, does nitnem and reads the other banis, keeps their Reht, and is looking to take Amrit in the near future), wears a Kirpan then that is okay.

Anyone who is a "casual" Sikh ie wears a dastaar and keeps their kesh, should not wear the kirpan. They just dont have the right.

Having said that, I have known a lot of Gursikhs, who before they were amritdhari, did not used to wear a Kirpan. Even though they were "pakay" in their reht, nitnemey etc. They used to say they were not ready for it. Only after they had taken Amrit.

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